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How many wish can community tech fulfill each years?Edit

Each year, roughly the top ten will be picked for the community tech team to work on, but about one third or more will be deemed as cannot be done by community tech. In such cases, can choices from lower down the list get worked on instead, such that ten wishes from community can be granted each year?

Also, if there are wishes that community tech cannot work on, wouldn't it be more productive to first define the scope, and then do a quick check, before opening the wishes for vote, to reduce the chance which community voted wishes cannot be worked on by community tech team?C933103 (talk) 09:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

A nightmareEdit

Well, for years Wiktionaries have decided to participate to this Wishlist. Sometimes few wishes for Wiktionaries are selected. But in fine, others projects than main ones are kept outside of this stuff. Why should we participate again ? What shall we do in order to see the achievement of the rarely wishes voted for this project ? Wikipedia, with the number of voters, play one's cards right every years. Then are Wikidata and English language projects and well-organized projects. For me, in this process, we have no luck to see upgrades for other projects. However they also need improvement. This, leave us a bitter taste despite of the expertise of the tech team or the good faith of each other. A real nightmare. Otourly (talk) 04:48, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Developer time costs more or less the same whether it is for a small Wikimedia project or a large one. Developers look for requests that will be of most global benefit and where the WMF will get the most bang for its buck - although I will add that the WMF is awash with funds and the 'budgetary constraints' that are often used as a reason to decline a request are a fake excuse. The most successful requests are those for scripts, tools, and software enhancements and/or extensions that are essential to keeping unwanted content out of the encyclopedias and making more easy the tasks of the hundreds of users who volunteer to do it. Kudpung (talk) 03:06, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
BTW, Otourly, the 2020 Wishlist was specifically focused on the non-Wikipedia content projects (i.e. Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage, and Wikinews. Kudpung (talk) 08:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Slow progressEdit

I would like to know how many people are actually working with the wishes. You wrote in the last update that "in 2021, there was a delay between the voting and the time when we could start working on the new wishes." Why the delay? I feel you don't have enough people on WMF working with these wishes. What is idea of asking wishes if you don't have enough people fulfilling them? Is this going to change? Stryn (talk) 08:28, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Stryn, The work they do is good, very good, and the collaboration with the volunteers once development begins is also excellent. However, the small team of available developers for the Community Tech Wishlist project was often explained by the WMF as being due to budgetary constraints. The WMF is actually awash with funds, especially since the huge savings on executive travel and real-life conferences due to COVID-19, and on the CEO salary left by the current gap. Kudpung (talk) 08:44, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Yes the work they do is good, after they do it. This year it took too long time to start the process of handling them, of course understandable if there are not many members in the wishlist team. I hope WMF will use its money to really useful projects (like Wishlist), not to many non-useful projects (not going to mention them, as I know many disagree with me) as it's used to be lately. Stryn (talk) 08:49, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
The old 2021 wishlist talk page got redirected here, but you can see an update on the progress (or lack of, rather) at Special:PermaLink/21780278#No_project_pages_yet?. We do apologize; as you suspected we are understaffed at the moment, but there's more to it than just that. Thanks for your patience and understanding! MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 15:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
MusikAnimal (WMF) Since the excellent work done by the Community Tech team for the New Page Patrol system before I retired, I have always lauded the development work of Community Tech. However, I do feel that with 'there's more to it than just that' there is a certain lack of transparency from the WMF - after all the devs work for the communities and it's the development of the Wikipedia projects by volunteers that generates the donations that pay the salaries. Being short of staff is not a developer problem per se, it's a problem of management for it appears there is currently no senior management available to authorise the expansion of the developer team despite the fact that the WMF is awash with funds. I think this is the point that Stryn is trying to make. In the absence of a CEO, the WMF should be able to delegate to a senior HR director to get things moving. Kudpung (talk) 04:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Frankly, it seems ridiculous to me that in a whole year the only projects being worked on (mostly not even finished!) are the most trivial ones proposed, such as "copy and paste from diffs" which I would expect to take an afternoon of coding to change the column layout of the diff page. There is absolutely no transparency on how projects are chosen, how resources are used, and why almost nothing has been done in a year even though Wikimedia has more funds and staff than at any time in its history. Why there could be much more progress and work done years ago with a fraction of the budget? I already stopped donating my money because of the lack of transparency, if this situation continues I will probably get tired of donating my time too. --Ita140188 (talk) 13:44, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
I have to agree. The WMF raises millions from the Donate links on projects. Only thousands find their way into urgently needed software development. Stop hoarding money, and start spending it where it will do the most good. Even on a cynical commercial basis, the proposed changes may pay for themselves by making Wikipedia and other projects more attractive and increasing donations. Certes (talk) 20:30, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Added imageEdit

Like Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp (Q209515), the Wishlist makes Wikimedia community wishes come true!

Wishes come from genies and genies come from lamps. Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp (Q209515) is a popular story everywhere in the world and this is the illustration which I propose for adverting the Wishlist. Thoughts from anyone else? Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, thanks so much for adding this suggested logo and elaborating on its meaning! We're reviewing it as a team internally and really like it. We'll keep you updated if anything changes! NRodriguez (WMF) (talk) 18:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I ❦ it :) –SJ talk  16:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Is there a dropdown style template for adding words?Edit

When adding a word on bn.wiktionary I just add meaning, parts of speech, language. Is there a dropdown style template to do this edit visually?Greatder (talk) 04:11, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Greatder, I'm not a Wiktionary user and my knowledge is limited, so I've asked my friends editing the Polish Wiktionary. Secondly, I'm not entirely sure what the problem you'd like to fix is. I'd be glad if you wrote more about it.
In short, I don't know if there are dropdowns with options you can choose between.
The Polish Wiktionary community has set up standard descriptions which can be used when creating a new page, and one type of the lexeme can be picked. So it's a solution to a problem "I'm creating a page for a verb in Bengali". But this tool won't help you if this verb in Bengali is also a verb in Assamese and you'd like to put 2 lexemes on one new page, or if this page already exists and you'd like to add a lexeme.
Based on this, I suspect that similar solutions may be in use on individual Wiktionaries. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 17:41, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
@SGrabarczuk (WMF): Yup, I would have liked to know something like this. It's hard to remember all the intricate structures and templates, and easier if I could get a single template and put my word in with the lowest barrier possible. Greatder (talk) 03:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
@Greatder, you can put this idea in the CWS sandbox - this way, if you forget it by the time the CWS 2022 begins, you or someone else will be able to find it. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 12:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Wishlist meetingEdit

It's currently 17:04 UTC on 11/30 and I have a "waiting for the host to start this meeting" message with an indication that it's scheduled to start in an hour. Does this mean that the person scheduling the meeting didn't take into account US daylight savings and so the UTC time given was wrong? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Barkeep49. Sorry, that was my mistake. From the beginning, the meeting was planned to be taking place at 18:00 UTC. It will start in 20 minutes. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 17:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Any notes from the "Community Tech: The future of the Community Wishlist Survey"?Edit

Hi, are there any notes written from the recent "Community Tech: The future of the Community Wishlist Survey" meeting? Stryn (talk) 14:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Return to "Community Wishlist Survey/Archive 2" page.