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PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

On creating a new Wikimedia projectEdit

Please read this page: Proposals for new projects. PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Mongol Bichig WikipediaEdit

So there is still no progress on creating a Wikipedia for Mongolian traditional script?

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103.229.121.33 12:00, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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"Translation" thanksEdit

Hello, came to thank you for your message on my page and input, I now see the "other language" button a great function. Grateful you corrected my mistake, and sorry for eating up your time. --Omotecho (talk) 15:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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Citation needed for this sentense of your mailing list postEdit

In [2], you say that There are currently request for a code for Hainanese which will probably take some times to handle, where is that "request" from? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:59, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Anyway, it seems that you requested postpone of Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Teochew? I'm not sure how this affects your benefit, and is re-submitting a code request for it likely to be approved? I let you see the Sichuanese request, which is rejected because it's just a part of Mandarin. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:03, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Wait I thought it was there but I didn't find it after searches. Was I seeing things or remembered it wrongly?C933103 (talk) 09:25, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

请您不要再一错再错下去了,您这个样子根本让维基数据用户受不了Edit

阿塞拜疆语有拉丁文和阿拉伯文之分,但在维基媒体网站上,我从来没看见谁要求的是az-latn和az-arab,从来都是az用于拉丁文(即本应为北阿塞拜疆语的azj),azb用于阿拉伯文(用于南阿塞拜疆语)。如果人家阿塞拜疆语可以这样做,那么我可以说有什么理由蒙古语不能这样呢?非得追求mn-mong干什么?既然内蒙古的社群接受了mvf,那么别说在维基数据上了,界面消息也肯定得是本地化成mvf,最终建站就更得是mvf.wikipedia.org,不然再造就一个Wiki-Setup (Rename)就又要扯出各种本可以避免的争议,要照您说法是不是布里亚特语卫拉特语维基百科也不应该存在?也要放在外蒙的蒙古语维基百科里?--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

  • @Liuxinyu970226: 首先,在阿塞拜疆的情況,兩個版本應該都是直接表音的,不存在蒙古文這裡的跨語言標準的情況,蒙古文也不止內蒙古在用
其次,這裡說的只是傳統蒙古文的標準書寫方式,沒人說過也沒人打算阻止用西里爾字母、拉丁字母、以至是蒙古字母對各語言變種來直接按發音書寫
再然後,請看下表:
不同語言中等價的項目
語言 蒙古語 漢語 阿拉伯語
文字 蒙古文 漢字 阿拉伯文
標準書體 傳統蒙古文(現在所說的東西 現代標準漢語 Modern Standard Arabic(在phab上我舉的例子)
標準語 mvf(口語標準),cmg?(text-only) cmn arb
其他方言(為方便對比在這裡暫時這樣稱呼) xal yue aeb
其他方言使用上述提到的文字所書寫的文體(這些要成立其他維基百科完全沒問題) 托忒文 粵語白話文 aeb-arab
或者其他方言用其他文字來標音書寫的文體(同上) khk-Cyrl nan-Latn mlt-Latn
其他語言採用上述文字記錄該語言的例子 滿文 日語萬葉假名 亞塞拜疆語阿拉伯文(你說的例子)
C933103 (talk) 23:09, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
@C933103:人家GerardM說的比天都明白了,語言委員會是絕無可能允許使用mn-nong的,您再怎麼解釋這一切結果都是一樣的,再有我反對的只是mn-mong,至於傳統蒙古語cmg我反倒是支持。就您另外提到的布里亞特語和衛拉特語來說,我們都知道它們也是蒙古語方言,但以此作為與內蒙外蒙語言相通的理據的話,那是不是講瑞典語的也能和講冰島語的相同咯(畢竟同屬斯堪的納維亞)?兩者有獨立于mn之外的語言代碼自有其原因,政治因素固然是一部分,但沒準兩者還真沒維基百科條目說的那麼大互通性呢(好些人比如我至今還主張黑山語和塞爾維亞語是同一種語言呢,前者不還是去年12月被老美批准擁有cnr了)。--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:36, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226:
  • 所以說首先首要的問題是弄清楚cmg這個代碼是在指代什麼的。既然你之前有聯絡SIL可不可以也幫忙問一下?
  • 布里亞特語和衛拉特語與蒙古語標準語的互通程度有限,個人認識是像粵語和官話的互通程度,我認同他們在維基項目上可被視為獨立的語言,但是這裡的問題是使用相關語言的人的書寫標準也是蒙古文,蒙古共和國要用蒙古文書寫的話也是用同一種方法拼寫傳統蒙古文,就像漢語所有方言的使用者寫的都是只有一種的漢語書面語。如果用mvf=內蒙古文來代表這單一的書寫標準的話,那麼用來表達古代或者內蒙古以外地區的概念就會產生問題,例如說當蒙古國使用蒙古文記錄事物並把相關名字寫到wikidata上的時候會顯示成內蒙古文的情況。再重申一次,我一直說的所有東西都沒打算改變衛拉特或者布里亞特語在ISO/維基媒體項目上的地位。
  • 至於有關蒙古語本身khk/mvf的分類,既然貌似連內蒙古裡非常接近喀爾喀的方言都被當成mvf來看待了,而英文維基百科上提到分出mvf的原因在於a.)標準語有別,b.)中文借詞vs俄語借詞,c.)文字不同的話,那麼把khk/mvf合回改成用mn-MN和mn-CN-15來分類應該是有道理的
    • 但是值得注意的是因為預想要是真的要這樣申請的話估計會很麻煩所以我只是當成沒有辦法中的辦法抛出來討論一下而已。即使要做也不是說一時三刻能做到的
  • 至於說語言委員會不會批准mn-Mong,這個我大半年前(沒記錯時間的話)就開始有準備個RFC打算提出不同情況來override掉語言委員會的規則,只是因為當時語言委員會在程序上改變而觀望再改上以後到近來為止我都沒空所以也都並沒有推進這件事。
    • 但是因為RFC同樣好像是個頗為麻煩的程序所以也只是次選的選項
  • 所以還是回歸原話題,照這樣看的話cmg傳統蒙古文應該是首選,但問題或者說前提是要確認這個傳統蒙古文指的就是蒙古文書面語,還有就是確認ISO 639記錄中這項目上Extincted的意思。 C933103 (talk) 13:04, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
@C933103:「但是這裡的問題是使用相關語言的人的書寫標準也是蒙古文」那為何bxr:xal:卻一直用西里爾文?他們長期只會轉寫么?他們不懂如何輸入傳統蒙文?又或許是某種政治正確影響(畢竟俄羅斯...當年蘇聯強制各種語言西里爾文)--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:19, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Liuxinyu970226:抱歉沒說清楚,我是說在使用蒙古字時的書寫標準。(衛拉特的托忒文是例外,但說的時候也會分清楚托忒文是托忒文,標準的傳統蒙古文是胡都木蒙文,兩種都有用)(如果我換個說法,說現在要的是胡都木蒙文的monolingual code,那會不會比較容易理解一點?)
  • 當然所有的蒙古語族語言和方言都可以用西里爾字母寫出來,而在俄羅斯以及蒙古共和國的族群西里爾字母也成了他們語言的最主要書寫方式,但是在他們要用老蒙文進行書寫或者要學習老蒙文的時候,上述說法依然會成立。C933103 (talk) 08:41, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
很遺憾,我最近跟GerardM私下接觸後ta還是拒絕任何使用mn-mong請求的,所以很遺憾,在顯著的成員支持出現之前,我只能暫且拒絕這個task了,不好意思,也許維基數據本來就不適合蒙古語吧。--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:45, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
或者給您一個台階下,您退一步海闊天空吧,維基數據上改用cmg,本地實施特別的判定,大不了cmg的內容本地轉換成mn-mong再調用可以麼?--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:52, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226:這樣說吧,我也沒有無限時間可以用來對牛彈琴,反正這是Langcom的職責,由Langcom的決定引起什麼問題導致不同語言不能正常地記錄進維基項目以及在數據處理時會發生各種問題也不止是我個人的損失而是所有會用到相關語言資料的人的損失還有對維基媒體基金會想要達成其目標的損失,要是相關人員良心過意得去的話我無話好說。C933103 (talk) 14:19, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

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