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Central notice adminshipEdit

Hi! For security reasons, the Foundation decided to remove the rights related to Central Notice adminship from regular Meta admins, so that only the special group "central notice administrators" still has them. Since you made CN-related actions in the last 12 months, WMF requested us Meta bureaucrats to add you to do this group, in order not to disturb your workflow. The announcement can be found here. Best regards --MF-W 00:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

A bit more about why we can continue the 2FA discussionEdit

This isn't really relevant to the 2FA discussion in particular, but I think your enwiki background makes you overestimate the decisional power that the WMF has in these areas. Stewards/Meta tends to have a closer relationship with the WMF, and as such if we present them with a carefully considered solution that accounts for their concerns then they won't block it. And if they do, I have some paths that I can use to follow up on that decision.

I suspect it's a two-way street that's causing tension between the WMF and the community on enwiki. On the one hand, the WMF is protective of the flagship project and sometimes takes actions that it feels are "right" without much thought for consulting the community. But on the other, the community is generally pretty toxic, inflexible, and hard to work with through consultations. Outside of that environment, my experience with staff has been that they are very reasonable people who are open to being convinced by both consensus and good arguments. – Ajraddatz (talk) 19:57, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ajraddatz: thanks for reaching out! None of my responses were meant to be a WMF vs project complaint, just accepting that resources are finite. If the constraint is employees of WMF need to be involved with 2FA recovery then the hold back is realistic. The 2FA roll out has been kind of sloppy since it was rushed, but I see it was necessary due to the constant hacks threatening the safety and privacy of users and readers. I notice WMF staff is getting better at dealing with account recovery, but there is a lot of work to do still. 2FA might not scale until something like phab:T180896 can be accomplished (or the rest of phab:T100375 is solved). In the more general, I've found that getting WMF to actually express "their concerns" has been challenging (I've been trying to get a simple reply from WMF T&S for weeks about an email they sent me) - any ideas how to improve this? — xaosflux Talk 20:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
That's a fair point re: expressing concerns. It might be because the decisions (with rationales) are made at a higher level, then only the decisions are transmitted to the lower levels for passing on to the community. I'll raise this at the next WMF-steward meeting coming up. As for this specific case, I might be able to find some answers about your inquiry with T&S if you give me more info - email works. – Ajraddatz (talk) 21:13, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
@Ajraddatz: emailed. — xaosflux Talk 00:35, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Alt AccountsEdit

Hi, Can you set a golbal java script for a Wikibreak enforcer set to indefinite, for all my alternate (Doppelangger accounts), so no one can use them if they do in an unfortunate event of being hacked. (So if it does get hacked, nothing will happen to them. Thanks. (You can obtain the script here) --Thegooduser (talk) 02:56, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: OK done. — xaosflux Talk 03:40, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you.--Thegooduser (talk) 03:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Abbas dhotharEdit

You suggest me Two-factor_authentication here[1] , but this a empty page . what to do?--Abbas dhothar (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Fixed link in discussion. — xaosflux Talk 18:01, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Help in deletionEdit

Season Greetings, could you help to delete these 2 nonsense translations, Translations:So you've made a mistake and it's public.../Page display title/bew and Translations:So you've made a mistake and it's public.../36/bew. I tagged as Speedy but didn't appear on CAT:CSD. Thanks!--Cohaf (talk) 16:39, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Cohaf: OK these are done. Please note Category:Deleteme is regularly patrolled, tagging is usually all you need to do. — xaosflux Talk 18:01, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Those didn't appear in the category, but my other taggings (see deleted contributions) today does. Hence, I asked this favour from you. Thanks anyway!--Cohaf (talk) 18:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


[2] This page needs updating. Besides those three ex- power users, there is another one user desysopped by the community decision. Please protect the page and the talkpage, so that only registered users can edit them. This is to prevent the IP-warriors that engage in edit wars and use pejorative language (e.g. f..k on the talkpage). If someone wants to say or do something, he or she must expose his or hers reputation, not to hide behind the anonymity. Thanks, Kubura (talk) 03:28, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Please post at RFH if it is out of control. — xaosflux Talk 03:38, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

recover & move requestEdit

HI Xaosflux

Back in may this Noongar Birds of South, Western Australia. Ngolak Ngolyenok and Karrak page was deleted would it be possible for it to be recovered move my sandbox ideally in the Incubator for inclusion in or alternatively to my sandobx on en.wp so I can review it to possible rescue what was written, it'd also be great if you could identify the user who created it. Thanks Gnangarra (talk) 13:13, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

  Done @Gnangarra: I don't have import access at Incubator, but have imported it with history to: w:en:User:Gnangarra/Noongar Birds of South, Western Australia. Ngolak Ngolyenok and Karrak. If moving to another project, ask an administrator to transwiki import it from there to maintain attribution. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 13:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank very much appreciated Gnangarra (talk) 13:32, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Mass message senderEdit

Hi, few months ago you gave me the flag of mass message sender. I used it moderately and I will need it for future initiative in Tuscany.

I am drafting a page for future use (since there is no clear coordination page on itwikipedia or tiwikisoruce) and I have set up all the lists for various projects (also a draft for Liguria). I have no problem to report.

I am not using the flag right now but since the WLM activities will start soon more activities should be made public again during the spring. Many local elections occuring in June force us to prepare WLM activities much before the summertime this year. My 6-months flag is expiring and I therefore need a renewal. What do you suggest to do?--Alexmar983 (talk) 14:36, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Alexmar983: I changed your MMS access to indefinite (though it could be removed for inactivity if you don't use it for a lengthy time such as a year in the future). Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 14:44, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
User:Xaosflux thank you again. if I lower my activites, I will suggest someone else for the flag, as already happening for filemover on commons. The WLM team is quite integrated, so no problem.--Alexmar983 (talk) 14:48, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

re the declined CSDEdit

Hi, it's locally confirmed at zhwiki to be sock of globally locked user User:Allthingsgo, now I'm just waiting for my SRG request to be processed by Stewards. That's why I tagged as such. Regards,--Cohaf (talk) 16:23, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

@Cohaf: ok, feel free to re-csd nominate once done. — xaosflux Talk 16:24, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I'll. Thanks.--Cohaf (talk) 16:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


{{YGM}}, etc :-) Best, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio: It will be about 8 hours before I'll be able to read that due to where I am right now, in case this is something urgent. — xaosflux Talk 14:41, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Not urgent at all. Thanks for the ping. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@MarcoAurelio: fixed, though I really should refresh these with new algorithms soon. — xaosflux Talk 22:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll keep an eye to the keyserver then ;-) Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:18, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Meta:Requests for oversight/XaosfluxEdit


I've closed your RfOS, congratulations :). Matiia (talk) 15:42, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Could you please fill the subscription form for our mailing list so I can add you?
Regards and congratulations. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 19:32, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Checking votesEdit

Hi Xaosflux. The checking of stew votes is done elsewhere, not manually on each voting page. Re: here. Trijnsteltalk 14:18, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

And more information is here. Trijnsteltalk 14:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
@Trijnstel: thanks for the note, will wait for the bot jobs to come around. — xaosflux Talk 15:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: Thank you. I've asked Alchimista if his bot is up and running. Trijnsteltalk 15:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


There was a suppression at Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat today. I don't know who did it, however, it is the same size edit as the user page that I deleted of that user. Would you be able to check with your fellow oversighters, and see if the same action is required.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

  • tps@Billinghurst:If I'm not wrong it's Bsadowski1 did the suppression. I saw the contents and is just contracts?--Cohaf (talk) 04:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
    @Billinghurst: thank you for the note, without speculating on the motivation of the post, it does appear to fall under criteria #1 and has also been suppressed now. — xaosflux Talk 13:01, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

User:Hiàn (mobile)/global.js and related pageEdit

Hi Xaosflux. I was wondering if you could disable the redirects in User:Hiàn (mobile)/global.js and User:Hiàn (mobile)/common.js - I'd like to keep these separate pages (and in hindsight I probably should not have added those). Thanks, Hiàn (talk) 01:10, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Hiàn and Hiàn (mobile): I've blanked those out for you. — xaosflux Talk 01:14, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Much appreciated. Hiàn (talk) 01:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

User talk:

Did you read the abuselog for that contributor? Think that it may just be our regular vandal.  — billinghurst sDrewth 20:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: no, I only deactivated the unblock request, as the block had expired we didn't need it in the admin backlog. — xaosflux Talk 20:34, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I was more intimating the commentary, not the action. But not to worry.  — billinghurst sDrewth 20:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

2FA manual auditsEdit

Hi Xaosflux. Would you expand on my edit here? Specifically, I'd like to replace the final diff with a link directly to wherever you gleamed that knowledge. While I am sure word has gotten around most users with those rights, I'd still like to get the documentation into good order. Thanks, AGK ■ 21:45, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

  • @AGK: I think you are referring to the "audit" part? If so they didn't post on-wiki I'm aware of (but it may be in phab tickets). An excerpt of the official email notification (at the time specific to interface-admins and central-notice admins) included: In the future we intend to enforce this as a technical requirement for admin access. Until that control can be enforced technically we will be mandating it administratively for all community and staff accounts. This means if you do not enable 2FA by 24th November 2018 your admin privileges will be revoked. Removal of access for Wikimedia Foundation staff members who do not regularly require these rights has already begun. The "it administratively" part is the "manual" part. Likely for security reasons, a schedule has not been posted. There is a request to allow certain users to audit this open in phab:T209749. Does that help? — xaosflux Talk 22:45, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

My temp admin request at testwikiEdit

[3], please approve for 1 month, thank you.--AldnonymousBicara? 10:22, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

  Donexaosflux Talk 11:30, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Request for adminship on test2 wikiEdit

Flagged Revisions is going to be enabled on zhwiki (phab:T221933). I want to develop a gadget related to this feature before deployment. I need admin right to test it. FR is not enabled on test, so I request this right on test2. Thanks! --Xiplus (talk) 07:15, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

  Done I've added it for a year there, best regards. — xaosflux Talk 13:52, 25 May 2019 (UTC)


I came across User:Xaosflux/globalwatchlist.js - it looks like you forked so that you could set your own site list. If that is the case, you may want to take a look at the current version of my script - as of version 1.4, users could set their own list of sites, and there are now a lot of other features. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 09:06, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: thanks for the note, I was testing it out, but I'm not using it now - will refresh if I try it again! — xaosflux Talk 11:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Requesting patroller rightsEdit

Hi Xaosflux. Would you be willing to grant me patroller rights? I'd like to be able to use rollback here on meta, and if I come across unpatrolled pages I can help out. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 21:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: seems fine. Please look over Help:Reverting#Rollback and keep in mind that using rollback on meta-wiki for anything that isn't very obvious vandalism can be taken the wrong way, we get editors from every project and language here and actions can be taken the wrong way sometimes and can be hard to explain if there is a language barrier. For blatant vandalism, you don't need to worry about hurting the vandal's feelings though! As far as "patrol" - it pretty much safe to patrol anything that isn't blatant vandalism or something obviously worse like a personal attack; we don't have worries of patrolling vs indexing flags like the content projects do. — xaosflux Talk 23:08, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:03, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


Sorry for the ec/if I stepped on toes! Saw you'd posted and removed the other rights but not posted the meta request, so I went ahead and posted it :) TonyBallioni (talk) 00:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

No worries, it all has the same affect! — xaosflux Talk 00:56, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Meta Legal ThreatEdit

Hi Xaosflux,

Contacting you on meta just because i have no idea how to handle poor behaviour on meta other than tracking down a meta admin that I know that wasn't involved in the discussion.

In the Croatian wikipedia meta RfC, Lasta seems to make a pretty clear legal threat if you are sure of you accusations, you can send me your name, surname and data to my mail (or you can post it here), I will sue you for defamation and see you in court here in Croatia - in effect, he(?) is stating that the only thing holding up suing the editor is knowing their contact details.

Wasn't sure what the appropriate course of action was at this stage on meta, so I was hoping you could at least point me the right way, even if you couldn't directly act. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear: I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. That user is already blocked for Meta:Urbanity infractions. What other remedy are you seeking at this time? — xaosflux Talk 16:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Ah, my apologies, I'd forgotten that my blocked/strikethrough script wouldn't work here (or at least, the username isn't striking through here) and I didn't check sufficiently. No further action needed, cheers for your time Nosebagbear (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


I have one trouble, on June 2 I was blocked on Meta, block don't have date, I will'be blocked ever, after this I became trusted user of kawiki and learn how to work in Meta, but they don't unblock me, help! :(--ჯეო (talk) 18:31, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@ჯეო: Hello, you are not blocked here on the meta-wiki. You are blocked on: commonswiki, dewiki. You would needed to request unblocking on those projects. The most I could do is ask for you to be allowed to make an unblock request on commonswiki if you would like? — xaosflux Talk 19:07, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Oh my mistake! Commons admins don't won't to unblock me--ჯეო (talk) 19:27, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
@ჯეო: regarding your block on commons, there is nothing we can directly do about it here. Please review the commons' blocking policy. My suggestion at this point: wait until January 2020, during that time show that you understand what proper open license images are by uploading to a local project (e.g. kawiki allows for local uploads, use your access there to upload only things that would also be suitable for commonswiki). If you do those things I'd be open to asking the commons admins to review removing your talk page block, so that you can file a new unblock request there. — xaosflux Talk 19:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


… smells. I am going to bet it is our favourite LTA.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:07, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: likely - but I have super-civility powers :) — xaosflux Talk 13:56, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Absolutely, been through that dance previously, and surely will again. So not criticising, just saying. :-)  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Unprotect old central notice banner testEdit

Hey there! I see you're a central notice admin. Perhaps you could remove the cascading protection on MediaWiki:Centralnotice-template-Warning1819 Test? It is preventing editing to Template:Date. I contacted the protecting admin twice about this at User talk:Seddon (WMF)#Centralnotice-template-Warning1819 Test, and over email, but did not receive a reply. Thank you, MusikAnimal talk 05:01, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal: I removed the template from that banner, so it should also have fixed things for you. — xaosflux Talk 12:20, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! MusikAnimal talk 17:10, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Renamed user 9ff13960de57f6ee9b1a65311efbb0beEdit

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

They were not voting under this account; the record appeared due to this. Ankry (talk) 23:39, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

See also the discussion under this vote. Ankry (talk) 23:46, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
@Ankry: Hmm, User:Lionel Scheepmans probably shouldn't have been changing that, as that makes the line have a different name and signature, and the prior name was already on the eligible list. — xaosflux Talk 23:52, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Their other votes are under their other name, such as in Stewards/Confirm/2020/Defender and Stewards/Confirm/2020/Hoo man. — xaosflux Talk 23:54, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I think it is not my role to decide whether they should or not. The best way is to point both cases (user rename and altering the voting page) to the Election Committee. The suggested way to contact them is through #wikimedia-stewards-elections, but it is readonly, so this makes me confused. Ankry (talk) 00:33, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


@Ankry: I left a note at Talk:Stewards/Elections 2020 - will let ElectCom deal with it, if further comments please leave them there instead of here. — xaosflux Talk 00:36, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Ankry:, thanks to notified me on this topic ans sorry for the misunderstood. But what a strange user name almost perfect for creating confusion. So let's the Election Committee making the job and dealing with this atypical case. Lionel Scheepmans Contact French native speaker, sorry for my dysorthography 08:30, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


The bot should fix "fake" eligibility checks. Ankry (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Quarry question (inactive admins)Edit


I used to help meta crats with quarry:query/43505, and the actor migration broke everything. I don't recall how they mitigated it in Oct 2019.

I see you have quarry:query/40716, so maybe can you help me with changing the logics? Thanks! — regards, Revi 15:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@-revi: wow that's a mouthful of a query you got there :D I should be able to look in to this in the next few days. — xaosflux Talk 16:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Nevermind, it looks like they've found the 'mitigation' they used for Oct 2019. Thanks for (attempting to) taking a look! :) — regards, Revi 17:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Outreach Wiki is not allowing to submit a page with Twitter search linkEdit


My name is Sailesh, I work with the education team at Wikimedia Foundation, and I received your contact from Quiddity. I am creating some pages for the team and one of the navigation box need to have this link:, but outreach Wiki is not allowing me to publish the page. Can you please help me in this? Best! -SPatnaik (WMF) (talk) 12:46, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@SPatnaik (WMF): I can try, can you give me the direct link to the page you are trying to update? — xaosflux Talk 14:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Replied at outreachwiki:User talk:Xaosflux. — xaosflux Talk 14:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

A noteEdit

Hello Abuse Filter helper, we had recently have a new group Abuse filter maintainer which allows the same level of access with additional rights to edit the filters yourself among other things. If you are interested after reading the documentation, do apply at SRGP. Thanks.Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

NB: I knew you applied, but feel bad informing others not informing you :)Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

User renameEdit

Hello, can you help me rename my username / direct me to how to do this? Thank you in advance!

@Collideatx: the "short answer" is just fill out this request form: Special:GlobalRenameRequest, and it will be reviewed. For more information you can read here: Changing username. — xaosflux Talk 11:36, 6 April 2020 (UTC)


Hi, We have some problem and It's not work correct. Can you changes copy to, and paste to Xorasan talkcontribs 04:56, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Xorasan: you would need a steward for this, Steward requests/Miscellaneous may be able to help. Another option would be to promote one of your admins to "interface admin" so you can self-service. After a discussion on your local wiki, that can be requested at Steward_requests/Permissions#Interface_administrator_access. — xaosflux Talk 11:11, 27 April 2020 (UTC)