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May I request Pa'o language

Pa'o are the large ethnic people,the 5th largest population in Myanmar, small number in Laos, Thailand.They have own language. But can't write and read in browser, wiki and other. So, I want to add our language. What should I do? Help me please Khun Yum Htun (talk) 04:08, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Where can I do?

Khun Yum Htun (talk) 04:19, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
@Khun Yum Htun: You can start a new Wikipedia test project for Pa'O language at Wikimedia Incubator. The manual can be found at here and language code (ISO 639-3) for Pa'O language is blk. Please feel free to contact me if you have any question or difficulties. NinjaStrikers «» 09:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Khakas Wikipedia. Хакасская википедия.

Hello, I want to ask about the Khakass Wikipedia. It already contains more than 1000 articles, and is well developed. I believe that it is time to transfer it from the incubator to public access, at its URL. Здравствуйте, я хочу спросить о хакасской википедии. Она уже содержит более 1000 статей, и хорошо развивается. Я считаю что пора перенести ее из инкубатора в открытый доступ, на собственный URL. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Дмитрий Аланов (talk) 2020-01-04 07:17

@Amire80: Can this be approved? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Nehiyaw Wikipedia

Shall we reopen it? The closed-it user isn't a member of langcom, and wrongly pointed the proposer as "LTA" without any evidences. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:26, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: I'VE reopened it, I agree that that user has lack of evidences for LTA claim, though I have no time to discuss the real metter. --117.136.55.130 02:47, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
FYI proposer is locked as LTA. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 02:52, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Cantonese Wikiquote

Hi, I want to talk about the cantonese wikiquote. The Wq:Cantonese project was launched in the Incubator more than three years ago. There has been regular and significant activity for over last twelve months, also there is about several active contributors each month. Now it has more than 75 pages. So, I request that this Wikiquote be approved. Regards!--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) Wasami007 (talk) 01:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Masry

  • Sorry to bother you with this question. I am not sure if Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Masry is now eligible for its own URL. would you be kind enough to let me know if it is. If not , would you mind letting me know how to progress from here. User:Mahmudmasri and User:Ramsis II have been the most active users on this project apart fro me. It has been in the development for a few years now. I think it is ready for its URL. Thank you very much for your help. --Ghaly (talk) 15:13, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Approval of Cantonese Wikiquote

Moved from my talk page --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC) Hi, I want to talk about the cantonese wikiquote. The Wq:Cantonese project was launched in the Incubator more than three years ago. There has been regular and significant activity for over last twelve months, also there is about several active contributors each month. Now it has more than 75 pages. So, I request that this Wikiquote be approved. Regards!Angus Leii (talk)-- 01:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Please start allowing ancient languages

In the page Language proposal policy it’s written: “Only Wikisource wikis in ancient or historical languages are accepted, because resources in such languages continue to be important to the world, even in the absence of native, living speakers of those languages. Where possible, such languages should be bundled with the modern equivalent Wikisource project (such as Old English with English), though that is not required.” There is already a Wikipedia in latin, and a Wikipedia in Old English, which are not very small. In my opinion, ancient languages should be allowed for all Wikipedia projects, however with stricter policies to make sure there is a large enough community to expand those wikis. Best regards, Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 14:45, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello? Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 17:35, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
According to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/933456357 Professional Latinists say the articles in Latin Wikipedia are very good. I don’t see a reason why there shouldn’t be Wikipedias in other ancient languages. Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 17:38, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
That's not what that link says.--Prosfilaes (talk) 09:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
We've had this argument. A lot. There's a Wikipedia in Old English; let's look at one of the pages linked from its main page: Beowulf. Let's compare that to Vietnamese, which about as far out from Beowulf's cultural sphere as possible. Oh, you say that Vietnamese is a major language; let's try Welsh. Yes, Swahili and Lithuanian are roughly comparable, but we also picked an article that should have been a good example for Old English. The list of countries shows that several don't have articles, and most of their capitals don't. Let's grab the top one with an article, Egypt (Cairo, the world's 15th largest city, and a city older than Old English, doesn't have an article). Note that this is the article after I reverted vandalism that had been there for more than a year: "Ǣgypte is land in Middlum Ēaste, þe hæfþ þā ēa Nilum." plus a couple pictures and a linking template.
The Old English Wikipedia is not a real encyclopedia. There is no reason for anyone to ever look anything up in it. Except for stare decisis, there's absolutely no reason Wikimedia should have it around. For the Latin Wikipedia, I can at least imagine that someone might have a set of languages such that for a particular subject, the Latin Wikipedia is the best Wikipedia for them. Not so with the Old English Wikipedia. Latin could be defined as a living language; it is the language of a (marginal) nation, it is being taught to young children as one of their mother tongues, and works are actually written in the language even today. I don't know about Sanskrit or Classical Chinese, but no other ancient language has that, and I can't imagine any other ancient language actually ever being useful as an encyclopedia to anyone. Latin might be known by someone who's not familiar with one of the languages of the huge Wikipedias; scholars who know some more obscure tongue generally know English, French, German, Chinese, Arabic or Russian.--Prosfilaes (talk) 09:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
So can you at least allow wikitionary in ancient languages? Because right now the language committee allows just wikisources in ancient languages. Thanks in advance, Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 15:27, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello? Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 12:38, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello? Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 21:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
@Dino Bronto Rex: Using multiple "Hello"s won't help your questions if you don't explain the benefits to answer your concerns, if you think such ancient languages are also having benefits to have projects other than Wikisources and Wikipedias, better to discuss at GRFC (not Meta:RFC, because your RFC would rather affect globally). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Regarding giving self-URL to Awadhi incubator

The Awadhi incubator is quite active and a total of 9045 edits and 4363 pages have been created on it so far. Please be pleased to give it the actual URL, which will speed up the development of its encyclopedia. Amire80 (talk) 07:10, 02 February 2020 (UTC)

Good time to consider approving Japanese Wikivoyage or not?

By checking the automated statistics, it looks like that this project has fair enough activities that like many projects we approved before. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:59, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

@User:Liuxinyu970226 Are you serious about this project activity?
  • Only two contributors have more than 100 contributions; 103 articles in total; 5 published in December 2019; only 1 new page in 2019; 0 active editor in 2019!!!
For simple comparison, the WP.Kotava Wikipedia project whose positive approval vote and the active, quality work being done by his community are ignored for months:
  • about 7,000 articles; 5 editors with more than 1,000 contributions; an average of 1,600 edits per month and an average of 700 new pages; an average of 10/12 editors active each month for more than a year... Axel xadolik (talk) 10:30, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
@Axel xadolik: The Kotava, as pointed in the above sections, is affected by langcom's indoor judging of constructed languages, why compare these two? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:50, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: See this statistical page about the activity of all Wikivoyage projects on Incubator. Axel xadolik (talk) 09:29, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
That's unuseful, a large scale test without eligible status can be rejected by any possible reasons, e.g. rural dialect of XXX, vetoed by WMF staffs privately, affected by sanctions to Iran, etc. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:32, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Certes, mais les statistiques objectives sont toujours un indicateur intéressant, davantage que bien des commentaires oiseux. Lorsque des critères sont publiquement affichés, indépendamment de raisons plus obscures d'appréciation, la moindre équité implique de les respecter. Axel xadolik (talk) 13:43, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Alors, c'est la raison pour vous, de comparer une demande éligible avec une autre demande, qui peut éventuellement être rejetée? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:29, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Comprenez-moi bien : des règles ont été établies et écrites, très détaillées sur l'acceptabilité de projets lancés dans l'Incubator, dans un but de transparence et de donner des repères objectifs aux communautés et contributeurs qui travaillent sur ces projets. Parmi ces règles opposables, il est notamment question de volume d'activité, de qualité linguistique et encyclopédique des contenus, de continuité dans les contributions et d'un nombre suffisant et attesté de contributeurs actifs. Cela me semble normal pour garantir la qualité et la crédibilité de Wikipedia et ses divers domaines.
Lorsque ces critères sont respectés (et les statistiques sont précisément là pour prouver la chose), alors il est normal et souhaitable que les projets soient validés en tant que projets autonomes. Mais il est également normal qu'une certaine file d'attente soit respectée, que les projets les plus avancés et les plus actifs ne soient pas systématiquement doublés par certains autres bien moins développés, sous le simple prétexte que untel ou untel s'en fait le héraut. Et cela d'autant plus que les membres du Langcom semblent malheureusement de moins en moins impliqués dans le suivi des projets. Axel xadolik (talk) 16:00, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
@Axel xadolik: Ihr Projekt muss also zuerst genehmigt werden, bevor Sie darüber nachdenken, andere Testprojekte zu genehmigen? So your project must be approved first before considering approving other test projects? Votre projet doit donc être approuvé avant d'envisager d'approuver d'autres projets de test? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:14, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
It's not specifically the project for I am the test administrator, but several other projects also. And at the very least, any project that is sufficiently advanced should be entitled to a serious discussion, within a reasonable timeframe. Axel xadolik (talk) 07:52, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
So your project can just be eligible right now? Per your comments? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:04, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Approval of Pu-Xian Min Wikipedia

@Jon Harald Søby, @James Heilman

Hi, I would like to ask about the approval of Pu-Xian Min Wikipedia. It is now already contains 2172 articles, and is well developed. I believe that it is time to transfer it from the incubator to public access. Appreciate if you could approve it. Thank you.--Henrytanck (talk) 14:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

@StevenJ81:^^ --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:25, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the recent activity is very low. Projects can only be approved if there are at least several (3+) regular contributors (more than 10 edits per month) over at least several months. --MF-W 02:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Bulgarian Wikinews

Are there any other objections to fully deleting Bulgarian Wikinews without transfer to another project, like Russian Wikinews? What about phab:T233322? The matter was previously discussed at a user talk page. George Ho (talk) 07:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Pinging MF-Warburg and Millosh. George Ho (talk) 02:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Ancient Greek Wikipedia eligible?

I haven't been a fan of the project, but it's still not been rejected or marked as eligible. With the exception of one month, the period between 2016-03 and 2016-10 met that requirements for activity, so it seems possible and even likely that given the green light, they could achieve the activity requirements. That was three years ago; I think it fair for them to either have it marked as eligible, subject to whatever activity requirements, or rejected, wherein it could be kept in the Incubator or copied to several webhosts; I'd probably support creating an ancient Wiki if it was a matter of moving an active wiki in house. In any case, I think it's time for Langcom to make up their mind here.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:00, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I am, I have to admit, confused. Language_proposal_policy/2019-04_proposed_revision made no change about the rule that "in ancient languages, only Wikisources are accepted". However, on 26 February 2019, StevenJ81 wrote to Langcom " I will rework this to remove anything relating to historical languages for now. (I'll let the Committee know when the new draft is ready.) After March 1 (to put everything on the same archive page) I am going to make a one-off proposal to mark Ancient Greek Wikipedia as 'eligible'. After that, I'll make a proposal on historical languages more broadly." It seems like so far he has not gotten around to do so. I will investigate this further. Maybe it makes sense to put forward this one-off proposal now. --MF-W 23:54, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Konkani Wiktionary

StevenJ81, the community has been meeting the activity targets on the Konkani Wiktionary test for over a year now, and we are also working on the localisation. I request you to please propose to the Language Committee to consider our project for approval. Thanks and best regards, The Discoverer (talk) 18:24, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikibooks Telugu

I think, this can be rejected, because that project already exists. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:17, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Nehiyaw Wikipedia 2

It is same as Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Nehiyaw Wikipedia. LTA has made this proposal. All related accounts are locked. Please take note of this and handle this request. Thank you. --Sotiale (talk) 12:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

  • @Sotiale: Is the creator a sock of a globally locked or meta blocked user? If so we can use meta CSD G3 to nuke those pages as those commenting are the same person socks? Regards,--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Independent of the possibility of speedy deletion, in this page history, you can see that everyone except you are locked. --Sotiale (talk) 13:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
@Sotiale: May I know who is the master, if they are globally locked / local meta block, I think it's safe to G3 those. --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:35, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Conversed with Sotiale on IRC, shall leave to langcom to handle. Hope for a speedy close to this nonsense proposal. Thanks.--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  Comment@Camouflaged Mirage and Sotiale: Note that there are several RFL pages that are created by socks/IPs in the recent 2 years iirc. So what should we do? AbuseFilters? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:06, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: I guess the best is just to handle it case by case. If they are created by banned user / blocked users socks and there are no significant contributors than the banned / blocked users, G3 can be used to delete. However, we need the clear master of the socks. For accounts that can be simple, for IP we need to excise more care. Abuse Filters aren't that efficient in this aspect. Regards,--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:36, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Konkani Wiktionary

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Konkani Wiktionary. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. --MF-W 01:09, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

StevenJ81's current absence

Does anybody know what happened to StevenJ81 (talk · contribs)? His last contribution at Meta is December of last year, i.e. three months ago, and the discussion is about his email being out of service (or something like that). Will there be (temporary) substitutes for non-voting clerks? George Ho (talk) 08:01, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I guess he was burned out by LangCom business? — regards, Revi 13:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I hope he's alright. I had been worried about him too. The Discoverer (talk) 12:21, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Formatting of Moroccan Arabic

Hello language Committee,

I am one of the administrators of the Wikipedia in Moroccan Arabic, currently still in the incubator, but that we prepare to launch soon. We are currently facing a problem, which is that someone (very long time ago - we don't know who) registered the Moroccan Arabic as a language written with Latin Alphabet, and called "Magribi". This is not reflected in reality as Moroccan Arabic is written in Arabic letters as you can see in the incubator. This problem touches all the ary (Moroccan Arabic) projects and not only Wikipedia in the incubator, but it is the one most suffering because we are facing a lot of trouble everyday with all edits due to the complications of LTR (left to right) while it should be all RTL (right to left) for us. Can you please help us solve this by:

  1. Change the formatting of Moroccan Arabic (Ary) from LTR to RLT?
  2. Change Moroccan Arabic language name in all Wikimedia projects from "Magribi" to "الدارجة", which is the name everyone uses?

If is not you who can do this, then please guide us to who does it so that we contact them? As this was a hanging issue for more than a year for us, and is a blocker for us to work on the Wiktionary. Thank you in advance for the help. I am tagging for reference the active editors of Moroccan Arabic Wikipedia: Sadiqui, Reda Benkhadra, Rachid Ourkia, Tifratin, Abdeaitali.

Best regards,

Anass Sedrati (talk) 19:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Amire80, Aaharoni-WMF, Sthottingal (WMF), Nikerabbit, and Nlaxstrom-WMF: FYI. Requests were submitted on Phabricator and GitHub, but they remained without answers. Thanks in advance ! --Reda benkhadra (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Saraiki

What are updates about Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wiktionary.Sraiki (talk) 15:21, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Amire80:, @Antony D. Green:, @Maor X:, @GerardM:, @Jon Harald Søby:, @Klbroome:, @Yupik:, @MF-Warburg:, @Evertype:, @Millosh:, @SPQRobin:, @Satdeep Gill:, @StevenJ81:, @Doc James: Hello, lang Com. Look into matter and approve Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wiktionary.Sraiki (talk) 06:58, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Shan Wiktionary

The test project is active enough and has more than 7700 entries. The Shan community's first Wikipedia Project was approved and created on 2018. Please review their second Project for the final approval. Thanks. NinjaStrikers «» 14:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Amire80:, @Antony D. Green:, @Maor X:, @GerardM:, @Jon Harald Søby:, @Klbroome:, @Yupik:, @MF-Warburg:, @Evertype:, @Millosh:, @SPQRobin:, @Satdeep Gill:, @StevenJ81:, @Doc James: - May I know any update for this, please. Thanks. NinjaStrikers «» 04:23, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
@Ninjastrikers: See the bottom of this page. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby: Thank you! NinjaStrikers «» 16:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 18:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Request for approval of Awadhi Wikipedia

@Satdeep Gill @ Talk The Awadhi Wikipedia incubator has been very active for the past several months. It has 5071 pages and 10918 edits so far and is continuing. Therefore, it is a humble request to approve the Awadhi test Wikipedia and create the independent URL. So that it can develop faster. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajaywikia (talk) 2020-04-12 05:06

Hello. It has now been approved and the creation of the wiki was requested. - As I see, we neglected to post a "notification about proposed approval" here one week before doing it. I hope this will not lead to any problems, but if someone has objections, he or she can of course still tell us. --MF-W 17:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 18:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Shan Wiktionary

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Shan Wiktionary. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby: 11 days past and seems nobody object it? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:18, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Also if I created entries with books of the Bible in Shan, I would ask that approvate this Wiktionary, but don't give to know which are these books of the Bible, because only see squares, and just see visible characters in Mozilla Firefox.
Leonardo José Raimundo (talk) 18:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Thanks for the reminder, I forgot to follow up on this. I have filed phab:T253029 now.
@Leonardo José Raimundo: I'm not sure what you mean… The issue with the boxes sounds like a font issue, so you could try to install a font that supports Shan on your computer, like Noto Sans Myanmar. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 18:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Siberian

Can someone deal with this proposal?--GZWDer (talk) 11:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for mentioning it here. --MF-W 13:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 18:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Create Achomi language

This is old language in Iran Achomia (talk) 07:09, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

You could start a project at incubator:Wp/lrl. --MF-W 11:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 18:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikisource Ligurian

Seems ready to go to me. Is there a reason why this hasn't graduated from s:mul: yet? —Justin (koavf)TCM 09:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

+1, there was 3 users for the last 3 months, including one very active user (see stats), I also think this Wikisource is ready. Cheers, VIGNERON * discut. 12:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments. Below I will post the note of proposed approval. --MF-W 12:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 12:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Request for approval of Kotava Wikipedia

Amir E. Aharoni, Antony D. Green, Maor Malul, Gerard Meijssen, Jon Harald Søby, Karen Broome, Kimberli Mäkäräinen, MF-Warburg, Michael Everson, Milos Rancic, Robin Pepermans, Satdeep Gill, Steven White, James Heilman : I don't understand why this project is still not validated or approved. It counts almost 8000 articles, in a wide variety of fields (literature, painting, mammals, ornithology, Africa, etc.), and many very active contributors over the last two years, and a great deal of attention has been done to the presentation of the articles, links and sources.

This project is already much more active than other already accepted languages such as Friulan, Maltese, Ladino, Ligurian, Corsican, Sardinian or Lingua Franca Nova.

The project largely meets all the criteria required in the recommendations.

When will this approval take place? Thank you for your answers. ClaudiaVisentini (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@ClaudiaVisentini: Doubtful, as that language request doesn't judged as eligible, for an on hold proposal, it's likely to wait for up to 5 years. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Liuxinyu970226, several remarks:
  • 1) Why would the Kotava be less eligible than the Lingua Franca Nova or the Novial?
  • 2) Where are the reasons for this 5-year purgatory?
  • 3) Why does no member of this committee, which has the right of life and death over a language and the work of dozens of contributors, answer? ClaudiaVisentini (talk) 14:42, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
@ClaudiaVisentini: Well, the first question is confusing because as of now, nobody says that your language is "less eligible" than others, langcom members are privately (i.e. they discuss the entire Kotava-related issues on their own private mailing list) discussing the eligibility. The second question maybe also. For the third, asking Commons might be better. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:16, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: If I well understand what you're saying, I conclude that:
  • This committee actually operates as a secret committee, and that its "real" discussions are private and therefore no one can really know how decisions are made. A good example of transparency!
  • The famous criteria put forward on the face of the world are just here to give the impression of objective processes. As in political matters, finally.
  • The members of this committee have too much to do to answer to ordinary contributors and explain their decisions or non-decisions.
Sad conclusions. ClaudiaVisentini (talk) 16:34, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
@ClaudiaVisentini: Because they only privately discuss stuffs when they have benefits to do so, to which your issues are meeting their criterias, this is the reason why I don't have interests in joining them, since I rather like to have no sensitive things. In many times, questions other than yours are publicly answered, though. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:31, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Acum tire bata neda aun levgorar, me konedison va geltrafa flidera pu kotrafa doda ? Vol lité da batcoba tir rapalackafa gu dalaf nelkoteem ke Wikimedia. Tokdume ? (So this committee actually makes its decisions privately, in secret, without exposing the actual discussions to the whole community? I don't think that's very much in accordance with the main principles of Wikimedia. Why is that?) Biscuit 26507 (talk) 08:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Biscuit 26507: Well, I'm not saying that "the langcom discuss the eligibility privately", I'm just saying that your matter should be discussed privately, okay? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Me, me gildá dume prilara me tid sanegafa, dume bat zolonarsaf bewik kivad da va tirka co muxad. Voxen rin, larde maneke lanepeson pulvil, pune kas va bata yasegafa vexala ronovansal ? Kre lidecké da ewarurapa tir.
(No, I do not understand why the discussions are not public, why these overly important members are afraid to express a position publicly. And you, do you have access to this private list to speak with such certainty? I have more feeling of a great offhandedness.) Biscuit 26507 (talk) 12:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
@AEA, ADG, MM, GM, JHS, KB, KM, MFW, ME, MR, RP, SG, SW, JH : Tokdume meka dulzera ke kon bewik ke bata neda tir ? Tokdume abdumimaks gan winafa ebeltafa neda zo levlanzar ? Toklize sanegafa atatcera is remawira ke dusiveem tigid ?
(Why is there no response from any member of this committee? Why is this project blacklisted by your dark committee? Where are the public debate and the transparency of the arguments?). Biscuit 26507 (talk) 17:26, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
@Biscuit 26507: Patience, please. It is not blacklisted, but it has taken a bit of time to discuss it. You'll hear from us soon. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 11:41, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby: Va keuca, va keuca... Batcoba tir axafa dusiva. Mali konak aksat ikz- bat abdumimaks gan lo 10 webesik tegison zo linter. Kas naleteson kec da 10000 teliz di tid ? Edeme, toka mijepesa flidera elokasa va abduaxa tid ? Malgildeteson oblakafenkupú isen kotar webesik milinde askid.
(Patience, patience... That's a bit of a narrow argument. This project has been actively pursued for months and months by more than 10 contributors. Are you waiting for 10,000 articles to validate it? If not, what are the so disputed discussions that are blocking the process? My ears and those of all the other contributors are widely open to hear you.) Biscuit 26507 (talk) 19:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby: Golde rin banvielu grupé va "tålmodighet" ravlem. Tokon "keuca tiskipisa dum miel arte Lentefa Evilma" co kalil?
(Thanks to you I now know this word "tålmodighet". How would you say, "patience as long as a night at the North Cape"?) Biscuit 26507 (talk) 17:52, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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Request for Approval of Central Bikol Wiktionary

Hello! What are the requirements we still need to comply to get an approval for the Central Bikol Wiktionary. Thank you! Dang Brazal (Talk) 16:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, there should be several months of continuous activity (from 3+ users) on Incubator, as well as an active interface translation process on translatewiki.net. --MF-W 18:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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Notification about proposed approval of Ligurian Wikisource

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Ligurian Wikisource. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. --MF-W 12:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Weak oppose. Insufficient activity, only two last months. Compare objectively with some projects far more advanced and more regular like wp.kotava which counts 10,000 articles and is waiting for two years. Biscuit 26507 (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC) -- edit : now a simple weak oppose... Biscuit 26507 (talk) 16:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
It's at least three. --MF-W 15:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
@Biscuit 26507: you can't compare a Wikisource project and a Wikipedia project, that's two totally different dynamics. On a Wikipedia, you write and rewrite (and therefore, you need to know the language) on a Wikisource you just copy one time published texts (and don't really need to know the language). On a Wikipedia, 10 people is a very small community and it can be hard to manage 10 000 articles ; meanwhile, on a Wikisource, 10 people is a very big community and you can still easily manage millions of books.
Plus, this Ligurian Wikisource incubation has one active user for 3 years and 3 active user for the last 3 months. I think it's ready.
Cheers, VIGNERON * discut. 17:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Also, the Kotava Wikipedia test doesn't eligible for now on, afaik its status is still stucked on on hold, and idk why their community also ask many projects to "not approve for now" just because they want to have their project approved. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 21:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
@Biscuit 26507: With all due respect, this response cannot be qualified as anything else but childish. Blocking other projects because your own project hasn't been approved yet is not quite the best way to gain sympathy for it. Also, you should understand that Kotava is a rather peculiar case, even compared to other constructed languages. Granted, the amount of output you guys have managed to generate is truly impressive, but it remains the work of a very tiny group of people, the target group being the very same tiny group of people. Besides, since content written in Kotava is totally incomprehensible to anyone who hasn't learned it, it will be hard to find a person who can vouch for this content without simultaneously being a stakeholder. And then there's the problem that there are hardly any secondary sources that even mention Kotava, let alone discuss it in some detail. In other words, there is a serious notability problem, and there is still no conclusive evidence that the whole thing isn't a hoax. All I am saying is: don't be surprised that the LangCom has been hesitant in approving your project. That said, I hope it will come into being soon, because it's obvious that a Kotava Wikipedia can be viable. Cheers, IJzeren Jan (talk) 23:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
I think approval can make now, comparing two projects that incubated in different places isn't good to me. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:01, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for giving permission. --MF-W 13:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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Notification about proposed approval of Moroccan Arabic Wikipedia

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Moroccan Arabic Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. --MF-W 15:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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Notification about proposed approval of Kotava Wikipedia

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Kotava Wikipedia. This includes both verifying the language as eligible & giving final approval of the subdomain's creation. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. --MF-W 13:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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Notification about proposed approval of Ladin Wikipedia

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Ladin Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. --MF-W 13:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Looks like no against comments at all for both (this and Kotava above)?! --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:15, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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اللغة العربية البحرانية

يوجد الكثير من الناس التي تتكلم اللهجة البحرانية في العراق و البحرين و السعودية و حتى الكويت

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So... ? --MF-W 13:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@MF-Warburg: Per Google translate tool, it seems that this user want to restart Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Bahrani Arabic? As it tells me "There are many people who speak Bahrani dialect in Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and even Kuwait". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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