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Notifications from Langcom about proposed approvals

Moore Wikipedia

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T374641

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Mooré. If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --MF-W 13:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Do note that phab:T363538 is still unresolved (although it's seem some movement lately). So while langcom can complete its bookkeeping and file the creation task just fine the wiki still shouldn't be created until that happens. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

In terms of the critical path, I think the main blocker is the creation of MOS as a namespace on enwiki (maybe other wikis as well, there's discussion on phab). Once that is done creating the new wiki shouldn't break any existing links, although links *to* the new moswiki will be awkward in various ways until some of the other tasks in T363538 are complete. Cscott (talk) 19:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

My patch to enable the MOS namespace on the first set of 10 wikis (not yet including English Wikipedia) was deployed this morning. I've got some work to do to look through the title conflicts and notify the individual wikis where there are some titles/links that need to be cleaned up, but we're on our way. Cscott (talk) 15:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

MOS namespace on English wikipedia was deployed this morning. Current technical blockers are listed at T363538#10141208 and (except for perhaps CirrusSearch) they all have patches in gerrit. CAnanian (WMF) (talk) 15:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Komering Wikipedia

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Komering. If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --MF-W 10:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Five Wikipedias

This is an unusual notice. Langcom intends to approve incubator:wp/kri, incubator:wp/nr, incubator:wp/ann, incubator:wp/tdd and incubator:wp/rsk. The last two clearly fulfill the requirements of the Language Proposal Policy. The others are deficient in various degrees. All approvals are still conditional on verification of the content being obtained (the projects posted in this section otherwise already received it) and - certainly for the first three - the community of the test-projects agreeing. This is part of an experiment proposed by the WMF Language and Product Localization team, which you can read about here. At mw:Future of Language Incubation#Hypothesis statement, the idea behind it is summarized. User:SSethi (WMF) expressed the wish that these projects could be approved on 10 September, so if the circumstances work out, this will be a somewhat shorter notification time than the usual 7 days. --MF-W 00:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Update: This notification period will run the usual 7 days, so till 14 September. --MF-W 20:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

It is understandable to feel disappointed about seeing projects with ZERO active community being approved for their own Wikipedia subdomains while Sylheti Wikipedia remains in the incubator despite having an active community. This does seem unfair and might discourage future contributors who wants to invest time and effort into building content and community. It is crucial for us to voice our concerns constructively to the Language Committee and ensure that active community, its engagement, and its needs are recognized. Please ensure fair treatment for all deserving language communities. -- ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 17:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

As you can see from the other proposed approvals in this section, the approval of projects does not stop just because this experiment is being conducted. -- MF-W 11:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Madurese Wiktionary

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Madurese. If you have any objections to that based on the Language Proposal Policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --MF-W 20:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Gorontalo Wikiquote

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikiquote Gorontalo. If you have any objections to that based on the Language Proposal Policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. --MF-W 11:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Discussions

Incubator reform proposal and LangCom decision making

In 2018 a second proposal to merge Beta Wikiversity into Incubator was rejected by LangCom. The final comment referred to the then-ongoing discussion of reforming the Incubator as grounds for effectively prohibiting any further similar attempts until a definite resolution of the proposal was achieved. However the discussion seems to have pretty much ended in late 2020 with no actual changes being made. Meanwhile, wikis closed by LangCom have been moved to Incubator regardless of the reform proposal. So my question is: what exactly is LangCom's position on moving defunct wikis to Incubator, and is making attempt #3 allowed? (To prevent presumptions: I do happen to be the dumb kid who made the extremely clumsy attempt #1, but I was not involved in #2, and despite BetaWV's having since degraded even more I have no plans to launch #3. But this could possibly be interesting for someone who does.) AtUkr^{(talk to me)} 22:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I tend to say, no, making attempt #3 is not allowed, unless it is the urgent wish of the BetaWV community. Of course, "Incubator reform" has still not happened, but it continues to be thought upon. --MF-W 12:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Given the situation at BetaWV, I'm inclined to argue there is no community... which normally would be a valid reason to close a project, yet according to you that would mean it stays. AtUkr^{(talk to me)} 00:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

The inactivity among most LangCom members, aside from Jon Harald Søby, Sotiale, and MF-Warburg, is concerning, especially given the growing backlog in the incubator where projects remain unresolved for years. A more active and engaged language committee is urgently needed to address this backlog and ensure timely decision-making. Forming a new, fully functional committee with members who can commit to regular participation may be necessary to keep the LangCom effective and responsive. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 06:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Languages in Africa

Wiki have many languages but it seems like they have few because African languages are nowhere to be found... I want us to talk about languages that are not added on Wiki, especially African languages (example IsiZulu & SeSotho). If other African languages are not available on Wiki. Then people who can't read or write articles in English won't be able to use or understand Wiki. Top News SA (talk) 13:30, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

First, Zulu has a Wikipedia, zu:Ikhasi Elikhulu, as does Sesotho, st:Leqephe la pele. So do a lot of other African languages: Egyptian Arabic, Malagasy, Afrikaans, Swahili, Yorbua, Amharic, Northern Sotho, Hausa, etc. The unfortunate reality is that much of Africa doesn't have great internet, and those who do use it tend to speak English, French, or another major world language. Instead of complaining at us, if you want better Wikis for African languages, you need to get more speakers editing Wikis, or get better internet (and all the things that entails) to those speakers.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Top News SA! To clarify two points so we know how to help out: 1) When you refer to Wiki, are you referring only to Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects like Wikidata, Wikibooks, etc.? 2) Which African languages are you referring to besides isiZulu and SeSotho? All the languages across the continent or just those in South Africa? - Yupik (talk) 16:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Iban Wikipedia

Hello Language Committee, the Iban Wikipedia project has been active for 4 months and the community would like the project to be approved. The request for the approval has been made here. If you need to find an expert on the language, we are ready to provide the contact details. Thank you.--Rombituon (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Pinging some members of LangCom @MF-Warburg @Jon Harald Søby @Sotiale @Satdeep Gill for any input on this. Thanks Ultron90 (talk) 16:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I think if this project continues to be active for another couple of months, I'm very confident, but I'm not sure if this is a brief burst of activity. My colleagues may disagree with me. --Sotiale (talk) 10:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I'm the wiki-test administrator and also one of the contributor for Iban Wikipedia project. May I get any updates regarding on the approval? I am certain that the project has met the conditions. Song GK (talk) 06:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Requests for closures

Lak Wikipedia 3 - 6 support, 18 oppose. Reject

Gujarati Wiktionary - Reject. Not a single support in over 8 months

Tamil Wikiquote 2 - Reject. 8 strong opposes.

Tamil Wikinews 2 - Accept (maybe soft close depending on your opinion). 1 oppose, and even then it suggests a soft close

Persian Wikinews - Accept. It's f**king blocked.

Norfolk and Pitkern Wikipedia 3 - Accept. Zero opposes

Simple English Wikipedia 4 - Needs clean-up, but Reject. (Maybe a soft close would work)

Cree Wikipedia - Move to Incubator. All opposes object because of quality, not size.

Another Wiki User the 3rd (talk) 19:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Another Wiki User the 3rd FWIW, 2 Gujarati-related, 3 Tamil-related and one Simple English requests are rejected. For the first Lak one, this mailing list thread suggests an approval instead in the last year, due to same situation Nauruan Wikipedia was having (no real activity, too much of one-sencense stubs), do you have reasons that the situation is fairly changed for Lak? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the situation probably has changed. In any case, I thank User:Another Wiki User for bringing up the backlog and will try to close also the remaining requests soon. --MF-W 12:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I wonder if the Naurun wp in the incubator should be nuked. Even the longer pages were created by someone who is not a (native) speaker of the language and is tied to the whole Kamassian debacle. - Yupik (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll note here that this is now discussed at incubator:Incubator:Requests_for_deletions#Wp/na. --MF-W 10:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Wiktionary Madura

Hello Language Committee, the Madurese Wiktionary project has been active for multiple months and the community would like the project to be approved. Agus Damanik (talk) 02:52, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Agus Damanik, I proposed the approval of the project in Langcom. Would it be possible for the community to complete the missing translations of the most-used interface messages? --MF-W 10:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

sure. i will inform them Agus Damanik (talk) 12:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Agus Damanik: thanks! See now #Madurese_Wiktionary. --MF-W 20:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Yucatec maya

Good afternoon,

I'm a yucatec maya student, that has contact with several yucatec maya teachers and speakers, I was wondering if there's any possible way, we could assist with the addition of the yucatec maya translation for wikipedia, or which are the requirements we need. Suon288 (talk) 19:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Suon288, a project for Wikipedia in Yucatec Maya exists at incubator:Wp/yua, though it is currently inactive. You are welcome to contribute there. If you are looking to translate the interface of the software used by Wikipedia, see translatewiki:Portal:Yua for that. Let me know if you have any further questions. --MF-W 10:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Wikisource in the Philippine languages

Hello Language Committee, the Bikol Sentral Wikisource project has been active for 4 months and the community would like the project to be approved. The request for the approval has been made here. Thank you. --Filipinayzd (talk) 08:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg Filipinayzd (talk) 15:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Please remind me on 12 September, if nobody gets to this before me. --MF-W 00:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @MF-Warburg, aside from the Bikol Wikisource, our community is also working on the following projects as part of the Wikisource Loves Manuscripts program in the Philippinesː

1. Ilokano Wikisource project which has been active for 4 months now
2. Cebuano Wikisource now on its 4th consecutive months
3. Waray Wikisource is also on its 4th consecutive months of activity

-Filipinayzd (talk) 04:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Is there a page that informs about the Wikisource Loves Manuscripts program in the Philippines? --MF-W 11:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Please see Bikol Wikisource Training of Trainers and Wiki Rescue. -Filipinayzd (talk) 14:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Shan Wikinews

Hello MF-W, Jon Harald Søby, Sotiale, We notice The Language Committee intends to approve some request. How about our Shan Wikinews? Is there any problems? We feel embarrassed for requesting every month. Much appreciated.Saimawnkham (talk) 04:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll get to this by 16 September. --MF-W 20:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Bengali Wikinews

I think the Bengali Wikinews met the criteria to get approval, but the project is still waiting for approval. Requesting to Lang com to give a look. –TANBIRUZZAMAN (💬) 19:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

For the moment it looks to me that in many months there is only one active contributor. --MF-W 12:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)