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Hello, Camouflaged Mirage. Welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum if you need help with something (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Also worthwhile acquainting yourself with the functions of global user pages. Happy editing!

--Editor D.S (talk)  17:16, 26 June 2018 (UTC)



So why did you quit zhwiki in the first place? Will you consider coming back at all?-AINH (talk) 12:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@AINH First one is personal, second one I will need to find time to contribute which is hard as I'm busy IRL with quite a few things. In addition, due to some situation, it will be hard for me to write content to any project. So I am now on meta primarily for the time I can find to fulfill the promise when I RFA here which is to still remain active as far as I can, if I am unable to do so I will give up admin here. 我看就随缘吧。Hope you are still well and take care. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


抱歉打扰了,一位已经隐退的用户因为隐私原因,希望我协助他删除他的global user page,我可以做什么?他需要做什么?--Jimmyshjj☎️📧 13:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@Jimmyshjj 哪位用户?如果方便可以这里说,不方便电邮我,用元维基界面。如果本人还能登入账号用户页面挂{{d|G6}}Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:50, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
我刚才已经让他登入已经隐退的账户,给global-renamers(因为他之前已给global-renamers发了邮件要求删除页面,但对方回信说不能确认账户所有权)发了邮件。我想这应该没有问题了,谢谢你。--Jimmyshjj☎️📧 14:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
我又让他挂了g6,因为我不确定邮件列表的处理速度。虽然我觉得他有些过度担忧了,但他担忧的隐私问题随时可能发生。谢谢你的回答。--Jimmyshjj☎️📧 14:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
@Jimmyshjj其他管理员已经删除,更名员如果非元维基管理员或者监管员是无法删除的,所以可能他们需要转介因而反应不及时吧。如果有其它要求,假如我不活跃,可以到RFH提出。如果没记错还有四到五名管理员会汉语。祝愉快。 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


有空的話,解答一下我的疑問吧。—— Eric LiuTalk 08:13, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

@Ericliu1912 这里回答吧,2FA确实非常麻烦,需要分别登入,哎。我记得当时好像有讨论,但可能是在站外学院群讨论,TG还是QQ就不清楚。站内好像查不到,可能可以视为待定方针吧?话说阁下最近好吗,希望别来无恙。祝好。 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
好的,感謝說明。雖然中文社群最近亂糟糟,不過我還挺好的。希望閣下哪天可以回到TG玩耍呵,大家都想念您。話說,我還在想哪天要去選一下翻譯管理員來著,除了可以充實中文翻譯審核人力,每次都要等別人標記也等的有點煩了。—— Eric LiuTalk 13:21, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
@Ericliu1912 TG我会看看如何重新加入。至于TA,用标注来做理由有可能会被其他人质疑(看看现在的那个申请吧),还是先markup一些页面,然后请TA标注几次应该申请会比较强力。其实审核翻译任何用户都可以,如果想删除不达标需要管理员权限。但的确中文TA不多,多些人力当然是不错。感谢付出。 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
決定先選看看了。不嘗試怎麼知道結果如何?—— Eric LiuTalk 08:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
@Ericliu1912 看到了,祝愿顺利。 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:45, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikimedia CEE Online Meetings of the future.Edit

What happen to the Wikimedia CEE Online Meetings of the future?

Replied on IP talkpage. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


Hey Camouflaged, haven't seen you around in IRC in a long time. Are you still active there?-BRP ever 09:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@BRPever Since the switch to Libera I did not have time to set up the cloaks etc, and I don't wish to have the risk of uncloaked (as it's scary that google can pinpoint my exact location via my IP recently). Any ideas will be much appreciated. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
You can join Libera and follow the steps here after registering. If you want to keep your IP hidden, you can avoid joining any channel before acquiring the cloak except the one mentioned in the instructions.-BRP ever 09:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
@BRPever Sure. Thanks for the tip, let me find some time to do it and see ya there. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 10:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


Hi Camouflaged Mirage, As the request page has been closed, let me give a reaction here as reply to your message. You are absolutely right that it is confusing. I have tried to give clarity, but if the communications team tells me that they want to move the full contents and then four weeks later only the newsletters, is something everyone finds confusion. I also find it ironic, a communications team that has difficulty with communication. Last week I have tried to clear this mess out, but the involved WMF staff refused to respond. With big changes like this there must be a solid ground before such can take place. This means to me that or the WMF has to make a clear decision or the community, with the second having my preference. As WMF has started this project, I left last week the decision in their hands, but they did nothing. So they leave me no other choice than asking the community: Requests for comment/Outreach migration.

When I requested the admin rights I thought there was a solid decision, but apparently there was none. This leaves me no other choice than to put this project on hold as you indicated in your message. Romaine (talk) 13:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Romaine Yeah, I understand your frustration, and do agree a RFC is needed, thanks for starting this. Thanks for leaving the message and yes, I will think let sort out what is to be moved and what not first will be better to save downstream housekeeping to be done. Thank you for volunteering for this thankless task. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:57, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


Greeting! Have you already set up your LiberaChat account? Can't wait to see you( Stang 09:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, was so busy IRL that I did not have time to set up, will try to find some time to do so. Hope you are well too and take care @Stang. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 09:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


Lots of love from Manipur and Manipuri Wikimedians! I never forget your kindness and help! :-) Haoreima (talk) 07:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


新年快乐。希望您可以现实充实,本站愉快。 Stang 16:46, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

How we will see unregistered usersEdit


You get this message because you are an admin on a Wikimedia wiki.

When someone edits a Wikimedia wiki without being logged in today, we show their IP address. As you may already know, we will not be able to do this in the future. This is a decision by the Wikimedia Foundation Legal department, because norms and regulations for privacy online have changed.

Instead of the IP we will show a masked identity. You as an admin will still be able to access the IP. There will also be a new user right for those who need to see the full IPs of unregistered users to fight vandalism, harassment and spam without being admins. Patrollers will also see part of the IP even without this user right. We are also working on better tools to help.

If you have not seen it before, you can read more on Meta. If you want to make sure you don’t miss technical changes on the Wikimedia wikis, you can subscribe to the weekly technical newsletter.

We have two suggested ways this identity could work. We would appreciate your feedback on which way you think would work best for you and your wiki, now and in the future. You can let us know on the talk page. You can write in your language. The suggestions were posted in October and we will decide after 17 January.

Thank you. /Johan (WMF)

18:17, 4 January 2022 (UTC)


我没有回退用户页面编辑的权限,感谢你的帮助。 Pavlov2 08:56, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pavlov2给了您巡查豁免,您可以直接编辑用户页面了。祝好。 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
感谢您的帮助。 Pavlov2 09:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
顺路一提,LTA:SLIME和LTA:QCHM持续破坏,而且现在学会到元维基破坏了,如果可以,请试试把他们常用的攻击性词语加入过滤器或是黑名单,或许比手动对抗他们的破坏更有效。 Pavlov2 19:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
@Pavlov2 我知道。有想过,但是黑名单是公开的,所以他可以容易绕过我们所设定的限制。至于过滤器,像这类LTA之前我们也有尝试过,效果并不理想,所以现在还是回退、禁封、不理会我看比较妥当。但不排除加入。感谢通知。 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
感谢您的答复。 Pavlov2 08:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


希望閣下就中文維基文庫一項重大人事任免指引案發表己見,指引調整案現已出現兩個版本,正在膠著,如果兩案最終都未能通過而現有指引續存的話,則更有可能對中文維基文庫的發展不利,包括但不限於用戶流失,內容缺失等。我不強求閣下必須要支持哪個方案,僅做提醒。 Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 抱歉在下不熟悉文库操作,无从给予相助。 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


Hello Camouflaged Mirage! Could you please grant me the autopatrolled user rights? I have done significant edits in meta wiki for a very long time. Among my edits, most frequently done types include translation of official pages, patrolling over different pages and to edit if I found any mistakes or errors, and many more. --Haoreima (talk) 11:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi CM, I'm afraid that this shouldn't be happened at least before the result of Meta:Requests_for_CheckUser_information#PastelKos, isn't that? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Liuxinyu970226 Hello friend! Thanks for having suspicion over me! Thanks for highlighting this fact here once again! I have a question! When will that Checkuser investigation end? See! No investigators are taking action to it for many many weeks ago. It deserves to be archived. I am saying this because that investigation will make me miss my opportunities! I want to become autopatrolled in meta, your suspicion investigation is about to let my opportunity go away from me. I want to be unblocked in English wiki, your suspicion investigation makes my request being declined without giving any reason by admins, other than just procedural decline. In fact, at first, I told you I support your investigation because I want to prove I am innocent but later, I am not happy with that suspicion investigation that snatched away & is to snatch all my opportunities not only in one wiki, but in others too, even here. Please do something, probably ask the investigators to complete the investigation as soon as possible! I am planning to get some autopatrolled & rollback rights in other wikis too, will this suspicion investigation stop me from getting those opportunities too? Please try to understand my condition! --Haoreima (talk) 03:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello @Haoreima, I don't have much issue with autopatrol but given the objections raised by @Liuxinyu970226, I think this requires a formal application at RFH and I will let another admin decide. Anyway, autopatrol doesn't affect your editing and it doesn't give any further rights except the editing of other user user-page and etc (which can be overcame by tagging the talkpage with {{delete}} or {{editprotected}} etc). As of the CU, I cannot comment as I am not a CU on meta but I agree that a closure should be done soon. For other wikis, they have their own governance so we cannot do anything here, regretfully but I hope you understand our limits. Thanks. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 07:08, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226 Given CU is declined, any more objections to grant @Haoreima autopatrol. I intend to grant if no serious concerns raised. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
@Camouflaged Mirage If the admin who blocked them on enwiki @Djsasso: don't oppose here, fine. The problem regarding that user on enwiki still persists, but no problems on meta more, and I don't oppose anymore. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:52, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Liuxinyu970226 I don't know why you are pinging my blocking admin of English wiki. English wiki's case is independent from meta. Besides, I have already accepted my wrong deeds in English wiki and confessed myself to Djsasso and other admins, though it's irrelevant to this meta wiki's case. --Haoreima (talk) 02:27, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
I think this had went on long enough. For what it's worth, autopatrol (although sensitive in some sense) isn't any major right that requires that level of scrutiny in the sense of pinging multiple users to the application. To note that meta do takes some guidance from various projects on governance, and some of our policies here are based on other wikis. That said, meta is sort of independent from the other projects, but we are not totally as meta's fundamental purpose is to serve as a hub to connect the projects, not a separate project operating in silo.
Since there isn't a specific oppose reason other than the block on enwp, let me just address that. I hope that @Haoreima do not continue the behaviour here. Absent from any concrete evidence that that they are still socking here and their local record seems clean and unproblematic enough prima facie, I think that there is a no compelling reason against granting a right such as autopatrol with no impact (less some cases) on their editing here. It just reduce the load on patrollers. One additional note is that autopatrol here have absolutely no impact on how you will obtain rights on other projects, and I will log it explicitly as such. With that, @Haoreima happy editing and   Done. Any admin is free to revoke without consult in this case. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 06:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Camouflaged Mirage Thank you, Camouflaged Mirage! Finally, after a long time of long struggle, you granted me! :-) --Haoreima (talk) 07:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Camouflaged Mirage Hello friend! Today, I am unblocked in English Wikipedia. Now, I am free from any kind of bad fame in the WMF. --Haoreima (talk) 17:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Glad to hear that. @Haoreima. All the best in editing WMF-wide. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:18, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


If you have time, it's pleased to have you helping out :) —— Eric LiuTalk 04:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ericliu1912 Sorry for late reply, see the talkpage for proposed translation. Copyedit will be appreciated :) Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 07:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

User talk:PhanmaEdit

I put the deletion notice on the talk page because when I tried to put it on the user page, it told me to put it on the talk page instead, but leave a message saying that it was referring to the user page. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 07:06, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Ilovemydoodle, I have no issues personally with that template, just it prefill the last editor username in the heading "hello I am" etc which since I removed the CSD I am mentioned in that part of the template. This is confusing. What I mean is to substitute any usage of templates when there is this kind of parameters included to make it static. I hope this explains. The reason why you aren't able to tag the page itself is AF161 which you need to be autopatrolled to tag, given your blocks elsewhere I don't think it's uncontroversial to grant, so if you want the right you might request on RFH. In addition, the more appropriate tag to use for an userpage is {{scope}} rather than {{test1}} as scope of the page is challenged. Lastly, why I didn't delete is the page itself while is out of scope, isn't problematic otherwise and someone else had blanked it, I think that's enough although some other admins might delete it anyway. Hope this explains and happy editing. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 07:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I do know to substitute those templates, but I often forget. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Just another note: I am not warning you in any way, pardon my edit summary that may suggest that. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


Dear Camouflaged Mirage , I requested to you please granted permantelly or tempraory IPBE on meta due to some ip globally locked or locally on meta , Please see. Thanks.Aviram NoSurprisesPlease 07:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Aviram7 Hello, sorry I just logged out and didn't receive the message till now, seems resolved by another admin, do let us know if you are still having difficulties. For faster response, post to RFH as more admin eyes will be there. Regards, Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 06:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Dear Camouflaged Mirage, Thanks for your reply and I have no probelm still at this time. IPBE flag granted by Dear Tulsi after they reviewing my request on her usertalkpage. Thanks.→  αѵίɾαʍ7 ([ʆεt'ς tαʆƘ🇮🇳])← 08:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

did i do wrong?Edit

Dear Camouflaged Mirage , I'm going to our college, , i just got back from college, when i login to login to wikipedia i get this found , The IP userpage on my wiki Hindi Wikipedia is removed, but why here? Am I not contributing wrongly, I am working according to your advice, I apologize if there is any mistake.Kind regards →  คⅴīгค๓ ([ʆεt'ς tαʆƘ🇮🇳])← 11:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Aviram7 Hello, using my public account as I don't have my 2FA device with me. This IP talkpage (emphasis added) is created by an user (having 5000+ of edits in zhwp) asking the user behind the IP to stop harrassing them. Hence, it is legitimate talkpage content. The user is a registered user, though you may see a redlink as they don't have global userpage yet. The conversation doesn't seems productive, but the 1st version is certainly not problematic to make a deletion necessary. We do delete IP userpages, but not talkpages unless it fulfills WM:CSD as per global user page are for registered users only. So, your CSD doesn't meet any of the criterion for CSD, but if you think the page really need deletion, please file at RFD. I hope this explains and we all get CSD declined before, me too (even my deletions are contested at times), so not to worry. Regards, CM-Public (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
@CM-Public: Thanks a lot for reply me I'm aware about that your very busy and your health is not good but i praying to god healing (jupiter) for yor better health, thanks again for reply. Kind regards →  คⅴīгค๓ ([ʆεt'ς tαʆƘ🇮🇳])← 16:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)


Please check your email and send me a message as reply . Kind regards →  คⅴīгค๓ ([ʆεt'ς tαʆƘ🇮🇳])← 08:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Aviram7 Hello, thanks for the regards in the email, appreciate it. I seen the message in the last 100 contributions on @Johannnes89 talkpage here, I quite agree with what they are talking about. Just take it slowly, asking multiple admins via email (for me) and 1234qwer on talkpage (here isn't that correct. You just have some CSD being declined (here) you asked why, I will say you need to know what can be on the userpage and what is really spam. I will also add that when you revert, it's better to include a summary like revert (your reason here - e.g. spam / vandalism). Reverting without reasons can be a little troubling to the user and shouldn't be done unless in obvious vandals / LTA etc. I hope you are okay for me to list this as you asked for a detailed review, I am trying to assist. I say check back in 1 month and we will assess further, and on RFH. For patrollers, I cannot grant based on an email request, hope you understand that we have a convention here that patrollers need to have a RFH request. With that, wish you all the best in your real life and happy editing. :) Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Note I replied on wiki as there's nothing private about the request and that's my email protocol (see my userpage). Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Dear Camouflaged Mirage ,I'm not asking for rights, just asked to take a look at my contributions again, never mind I'm going home and won't be back now, I want to live my personal life apart from editing on Meta and Wikipedia,I am a student by profession, thank you for advising me, I just wanted to make meta vandalism free, I walk.Kind Regards →  คⅴīгค๓ ([ʆεt'ς tαʆƘ🇮🇳])← 12:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


参考相关讨论,希望您可以向这两个文件提交快速删除请求:1, 2Stang 14:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Stang 2FA确实麻烦,每次要去其他计划都需要重新登入且去拿手机输入,希望COOKIE可以联通去其他计划。好了吐槽结束,当时是Leiem君TG要求要这个图像,就上传,我也没什么意见。但基于我也不是原先作者,只导入,所以我看还是FFD比F妥当,已经提出。谢谢通知。 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)