User talk:Johannnes89
Latest comment: 10 days ago by Johannnes89 in topic Question
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Could you take a look at this ticket if you have time? It was sent in to the OS queue but rather seems to regard a user questioning why they can't remove messages from their talk page (maybe I'm reading it incorrectly, but either way I can't really reply in German so you're probably a better steward to handle this). EPIC (talk) 11:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @EPIC, I'm still sick and won't be able to address this in more detail today, but I took a quick look and left a note to the ticket. Johannnes89 (talk) 12:06, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, and get well soon. EPIC (talk) 12:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Question edit
Hello! You have removed content from a user's page on Georgian Wikipedia. Can you write the reason for this? The removed content did not contain any personal information. გიო ოქრო 16:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @გიო ოქრო, the reason a support ticked (linked in the section above) alleging privacy violations. I agree that there is no reason for deleting the user talk page, as most projects have adopted policies like en:WP:DELTALK and the user's talk page doesn't seem to contain personal information.
- Nevertheless most projects also have adopted policies like en:WP:OWNTALK allowing users to remove content on their own user talk page – that's what ka:ვიკიპედია:განხილვის გვერდების მართვა allows as well at #მომხმარებლის განხილვა. And that's what the user apparently tried to do [1] but was reverted. Helping the user to blank their own user talk page per kawiki policy seemed like the best way to resolve their issue. Johannnes89 (talk) 16:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- The content you delete does not contain any personal information. You deleted my comments among them. This page was created by a user by coping from foreign Wikipedia in 2010 and did not receive support from the all local wiki community (I can't find any talk page about this). In the Georgian wiki, it is customary to remove from discussion pages only information that violates the rules (vandalism, personal info etc.). გიო ოქრო 17:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- „copied from other wikis“ – isn't that how most policies in the early years of Wikipedia were adopted? The page was created / edited by multiple current and former kawiki admins [2], exists for more than a decade and is linked from many other policy pages (e.g. via ka:თარგი:სახელმძღვანელოების სია [3]).
- Unless there is a contradicting policy which explicitly forbids users to remove sections from their own user talk page (I'm not talking about any other talk pages) I don't think there is a valid claim to deny this -> „customary“ doesn't mean the user is not allowed to blank their own user talk page if they want to.
- Again: I agree that there doesn't appear to be personal information that needs to be deleted, but I think the user is allowed by policy to remove the content and I also think you should allow this (even if its not customary to do so) considering that they somehow appear to be distressed about this and blanking might resolve their issue. Johannnes89 (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Administrator status does not mean anything here. These rules must be accepted by the Wiki community. Well, I will start a discussion on the local wiki to correct this entry on the said page. And then, if there will be a consensus, the removed content will be returned. გიო ოქრო 16:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- As I said: Most policy pages from the early years of Wikipedia have not been formally accepted by vote when they were just adopted from other language versions, that doesn't make them invalid. And there doesn't appear to be any kawiki policy that forbids blanking their own user talk page. The user apparently want's to quit their Wikipedia account, so I honestly don't understand why it's important to force them to keep certain content on their user talk page. Johannnes89 (talk) 16:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is not allowed to lock personal talk pages in Georgian Wikipedia. There was already a discussion about it... გიო ოქრო 18:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- If I understand your link correctly it says admins are not allowed to delete user talk pages or protect it admin-only (while short-term semi-protections e.g. in case of vandalism are allowed). Both are policies I know from most (probably all?) other wikis as well, including my homewiki.
- But it seems like this was a discussion about deletions (which can only performed by admins and which was rightfully declined in case of this user), the link doesn't seem to say anything about simply removing answered sections on your own user talk page or blanking it when using the right to vanish. Johannnes89 (talk) 18:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is not allowed to lock personal talk pages in Georgian Wikipedia. There was already a discussion about it... გიო ოქრო 18:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- As I said: Most policy pages from the early years of Wikipedia have not been formally accepted by vote when they were just adopted from other language versions, that doesn't make them invalid. And there doesn't appear to be any kawiki policy that forbids blanking their own user talk page. The user apparently want's to quit their Wikipedia account, so I honestly don't understand why it's important to force them to keep certain content on their user talk page. Johannnes89 (talk) 16:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Administrator status does not mean anything here. These rules must be accepted by the Wiki community. Well, I will start a discussion on the local wiki to correct this entry on the said page. And then, if there will be a consensus, the removed content will be returned. გიო ოქრო 16:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- „copied from other wikis“ – isn't that how most policies in the early years of Wikipedia were adopted? The page was created / edited by multiple current and former kawiki admins [2], exists for more than a decade and is linked from many other policy pages (e.g. via ka:თარგი:სახელმძღვანელოების სია [3]).
- The content you delete does not contain any personal information. You deleted my comments among them. This page was created by a user by coping from foreign Wikipedia in 2010 and did not receive support from the all local wiki community (I can't find any talk page about this). In the Georgian wiki, it is customary to remove from discussion pages only information that violates the rules (vandalism, personal info etc.). გიო ოქრო 17:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)