User talk:Camouflaged Mirage/Archive 1

Hi Cohaf

Hi Cohaf, I'm the coordinator of New Page Patrol on en.wiki, and I am interested in learning about other 'New Page Review' teams on other wikis. From your comment at Meta, it seems that you are involved in such a team at the Chinese wiki. Could you point me to the discussion page for your project on the Chinese wiki? — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 21:07, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere:Thanks for your reply. Indeed I hold patroller flag on zhwiki and zhwikiversity which include the reviewer rights. Unfortunately we don't have a formal page on wiki for coordination. We do engage in discussions about NPP on our village pump at times but are generally ineffective. The main platform as to discuss about a particular page or NPP as a whole is in a social media group which include non patroller to bureaucrats but is not open as well as our Chinese Wikipedia irc channel. I guess if you need info on how we work, do ask here and I will give my best assistance. Thanks a lot.--Cohaf (talk) 21:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Cohaf. A few questions: About how many new pages do you have coming in every day? We have about 700 or so, though about half of those are autopatrolled. About how many people have reviewer rights and how do you guys go about recruiting and training new members? — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 21:30, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere:I just answer in short now and will give a more detailed answer as I am short of time. We have a total of 157 NPP including the 78 sysops we have a total of 235 users have that right and sysops often do new page patrolling also. For how many new pages that come in a day, for mainspace excluding redirects, we have around 150. The backlog is never exceed 50. However, all other namespaces need to be patrolled, e.g.file talk, talk pages and etc, so total workload is around 400 per day. For recruitment, better to state the requirements, 250 edits, 1 month of account registration as well as 1 edit per day on average for the past 30 days. No block in any kind for past 3 months. These are requirements to screen off obviously unsuitable candidates. For spotting potential reviewers, we often notice users who consistently do a good job in patrolling and ask them whether they would like to join us. For training, we typically do in the social media group and often before they apply for the rights. We mentor them first and when they are ready we ask them to apply. Often those who go through this route is more successful in obtaining the rights than those who don't. The granting of the rights is based on admin discretion but community inputs are valued, so mentors can be useful in such an application. In addition, patroller holds +reviewer/+autopatrol/+filemover/+suppress redirect flags, hence, obviously users with a need for other flags may also apply. In addition, holding the flag for 3 months will make a user eligible for RFA and patrol counts very favourably in one RFA, it's often used as a reason to support or against a candidate, thus many will like to apply for the flag. I hope this answers and feel free to ask anymore. --Cohaf (talk) 21:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Cohaf "the backlog never exceeds 50": I wish I could say the same on en-wiki. Currently about 4000 unreviewed mainspace pages (though worked down from nearly 25,000 middle of last year and we were as low as 500 as recently as July). Our requirements are roughly double what yours are, though it is frequent that users are turned down even when they meet the base requirements. NPP on en-wiki has become somewhat difficult as increasingly the articles being submitted are borderline judgement calls that require significant experience to review properly. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 08:37, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere:For our new page patrol is a little different as per enwiki one, I read through the process already. Firstly, IP and non autoconfirmed users (7 days / 50 edits) may submit mainspace articles and we do have a lot of Long Time Abusers which partollers need to know what kind of articles they will create and how to handle (like hoaxs are very commonplace). In addition, we do have a need to explain to new users and guide them how to improve their articles (often may take hours - or days especially if it is a copyvio as we have 7 days of AFD discussion for copyvio rather than a G12 process on enwiki). For us, we hope to improve the article as we do partolling (i.e. something similar to SOFIXIT), when we see patrollers who tag uncategorized, dead end, orphan, we are quite disturbed. Why tag these where simply one category, several internal links as well as adding an internal link to another article will solve it. In addition, if there is a possiblity to improve an article from A1 to a stub, it should be done rather than tagging as A1. ATD is preferred. So personally unless I have time I avoid patrolling new articles but when I see the number at "50", I will do one or two just to clear the backlog. This is due to most of the partollers being active and those who are inactive often asked their flag to be removed, self - removed (zhwiki this is possible) or after 6 months without any activities (similar to admin inactivity). Although the requirements are somewhat lax in Chinese Wikipedia, we also see many do turn down (since patrollers had autopartol flag - those who have created articles which are deleted especially due to copyvio/advertisement - G11/notablity - we don't have A7 but an AFD process - typically don't get approved). For marginal cases, we give out 1 week - 3 months temporary rights (normally when community disagree but admins feel it's alright). Yes, NPP is also getting more difficult in zhwiki with many challenging articles, but I am thankful that unlike enwiki, you will not need to worry your CSD tag being removed by the author (an AF prevents it) or when a CSD may be better for AFD, the admins will do the transfer. I appreciate the ease of access of our admins which we often consult on what to do - in borderline cases - and they will give advice on how to proceed which will ease some of the load off our shoulders. I hope this shares our experience but obviously I will appreciate the Page Curation toolbar to be available on zhwiki as that will enable us to patrol redirects as well as mark as unreviewed more easily. Hope to exchange more ideas with you soon. Regards,--Cohaf (talk) 16:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Ed.Vallejo

At this time their ability to damage is to themself; let them dig their own hole, they are just digging deeper. There is also a pending lock request, and they are appealling a block with no evidence about why they should be unblocked. <shrug>  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:29, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Billinghurst:Noted and the hole seems deeper indeed and soon it will be covered (by a global lock). Such unblock requests are actually pretty common at my homewiki also. A sheer waste of volunteer time.<sigh>--Cohaf (talk) 07:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Can you please help rather than block

Cohaf I made one mistake here. It is impossible to know all the rules when I hadn't edited in such a long time. i made the mistake because i wnated my conflict of interest to be clear. All the other wikis are happy to have me apart from English at the moment - and Russian blocked me because I told them, as I did all the other wikis. I also comment that when Russian Freedom of Panaroma consensus was wrong back in 2015, I gave up on Wikipedia. Why are some editors so thoroughly unwelcoming to new editors that have good contributions to make, want to help, but cannot possibly understand all your rules? Why has no one even discussed this with me???? E.3 (talk) 13:52, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

user account: Cohaf-public

Is the account "Cohaf-public", created today, your account? Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:20, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Billinghurst:.Yes. I publicly linked it on my homewiki w:zh:User:Cohaf-public on 8 Oct. I used it today to help in the test of the filter as in SN. I'll publicly link it on meta now.--Cohaf (talk) 12:23, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Bitcointalk

I'd tend to side with AGF-ing and not immediately tagging their userpage (which isn't spam, and simply states a lack of affiliation with an organization) for deletion. It also isn't promotional content. It is likely a violation of most local username policies, yet on meta should probably be resolved by a talk page message, not a warning template. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 14:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vermont:. I tagged as per G7 out of scope, and not spam. A lack of COI IMO shouldn't be declared in such a manner and it's sort of promotional in a benign manner. I also noted they add a external link which may potentially be globally blacklisted, hence the {{spam}} warning. This is my approach on this issue. Open to more advices from you. Thanks.--Cohaf (talk) 15:04, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

It's a user page; it isn't out of scope. If you want them to declare they aren't affiliated with that company elsewhere, then inform them on their talk page where you would prefer they do so. Although, in my opinion, one's userpage is the best place. In regard to the external link, they added a link to the English Wikipedia article for Bitcointalk, which is not an issue. There is a chance they are not here to contribute, but we must assume good faith. Thank you, Vermont (talk) 15:19, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vermont:. I got your point for first one. Hope they can engage here since you wikilink them here. For the external link, I'm not stating the enwiki link, that's perfectly acceptable, but it is this that is a little troubling "bitcointalk.org ".--Cohaf (talk) 15:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

That's the name of the company. Vermont (talk) 15:28, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vermont:and also the official website of the company.--Cohaf (talk) 15:39, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Correct, but it was said in such a way that is not for promotional or spam purposes. I'm contesting the speedy deletion, and have removed the template. We must assume good faith. Vermont (talk) 15:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vermont:.Thanks for guidance, much appreciated! That said, will still monitor the editor xwiki. Will try to AGF more.--Cohaf (talk) 15:49, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

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Of course. I'll keep a tab open of their CentralAuth. Based on the username, I doubt they're here to contribute constructively, although until that is certain good faith is assumed. Thanks, and happy editing, Vermont (talk) 15:54, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vermont:. You too! I guess my AGF juices are used up after this. Will refill them ASAP.--Cohaf (talk) 16:00, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I can't read that but...wow that's a lot of warnings. Vermont (talk) 16:03, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vermont:.Basically this user is spamming copyvios as part of edits or as new articles. I basically given them lots of advice personally over at IRC on how to avoid close paraphrasing and around 7 warnings. I then proceeded to give a short 5 days block and what happened after is they immediately came back with a sock and continued the behaviour. Up the block to 1 month for the master and sock indeffed. In the process of copyvio cleanup, I did almost 30 RD1 as well as deleted close to 20 pages. Sigh. And now they are doing the same at enwiki.--Cohaf (talk) 16:08, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Hopefully it doesn't spread further. You may want to inform enwiki admins that they did the same on zhwikiversity. Most enwiki admins I have experience with don't usually check CentralAuth for recurring issues. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 16:24, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vermont:Will monitor but as of what I see, it's managed already. I don't meddle with enwiki stuffs as smaller wikis are more of my concerns. Will contact them if needed, I knew some of them when dealing with crosswiki issues. In addition, I left a personalised message on this Bitcoin user talkpage, do have a look and hope it's fine and not bitey, although I bitten them already.--Cohaf (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Looks great! I'm about to go AFK and will check back later. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 16:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

• Comment I would suggest a username change as a minimum Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Some will shoot first and ask questions after, and with a less provocative username, that isn't likely to happen.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Billinghurst:I did include a link in my message to the user to rename themselves. Did it seems less obvious and I need to make it even clearer? Advice needed.--Cohaf (talk) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

v:zh:Mediawiki:Sidebar

As mentioned elsewhere the general components in your Sidebar are utilising the defaults in MW. If you are looking to make it more global in presenting to user language preference, then we can do that, though I would need the guidance, or I can provide guidance. My fee is twice for general fixes. ;-)  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:55, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I cheekily have made one edit at v:zh:special:permalink/101807 to show the simple means to add English where the page is non-standard in the MW message store. I would have to search and drill down on the other messages to see if there are some defaults.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:00, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Here are a few you can look at about, sandbox and contact that you could utilise, though may need a little jiggling.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@Billinghurst:Wow, that's very useful and there's so much for me to digest now. I'll look through it thoroughly and try to understand what is happening. Thanks for your guidance and will seek your advice further on this. However, as a poor wiki, we can't afford high fee and hence, we ask for pro bono work. =P Thanks.--Cohaf (talk) 14:19, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Billinghurst revert

No worries. That IP has been trolling around but I can see your concerns. Hiàn (talk) 00:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

• @Hiàn:. I seen the stalktoy results, 3 months on en, ru Wikipedias, Wikivoyage. However, I'm not that sure what this post is, so to the best of my AGF I think just let it remain, and if its annoying enough, I think he will just revert himself. Best Regards,--Cohaf (talk) 00:18, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

thanks again for help

I just made the page to try and get volunteer translators. Did I do anything wrong? Please let me know exactly what so I dont do it again, I'm just trying to follow babel guidelines. E.3 (talk) 08:35, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

• @E.3:. 2 things to note, one is please put the proposed deletion on the request for deletion page. Second is scope. Best wishes.--Cohaf (talk) 08:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Thankyou. I'm considering it scope because of Multilingual cooperation of Wikimedia projects - there is currently a few wiki pages that I have made that are bad, incomprehensible or not up to scratch on what English wiki is considering to be of high importance presently. Thats why scope, does that make sense? E.3 (talk) 08:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
    • @E.3: no comment on the scope personally. I think the RFD will sort this out. I had filled it for you and ping the user who given the speedy. Let's discuss there, shall we? --Cohaf (talk) 08:45, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Don't play the game

Please don't play the revert game with fuckwits, it has no value and you are just playing their game and helping get their rocks off as they watch RC. If they are just there, flag for an admin or a steward at whichever page. It is of no issue to this wiki if deadbeats are vandalising my talk page; nice and out of the way; and they are just getting me so upset that I am crying, so everyone gets some pleasure.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:56, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

• @Billinghurst:. Exactly the case I hope to do. However, that period there isn't any sysops and RFH may be an overkill. And for some reason I can't get onto IRC at this moment. I hope to leave it but no one else is there, is there any simple guide to setting up IRC. The meta one is plain confusing. Thanks and much appreciated! I am on the same page as you.--Cohaf (talk) 10:08, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

  Just leave it at once or twice. Being my page, I get a ping, so when I can get to it then I will. [I don't need 5 attack and 5 revert pings.] They are in it for the jollies, so don't give that to them. If they think that they are upsetting me ... meh! 22:27, 24 January 2019 (UTC)— The preceding unsigned comment was added by billinghurst (talk)

  @Billinghurst:I'll follow, rest assured. --Cohaf (talk) 02:02, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Cohaf my name is Brendan Jay Morrison 1994, I saw your message on my talk page. I was just Asking Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars a question that's all and he deleted my questions for no reason. I just want to ask him something that's all no harm done. Thanks User talk:BJM1994

• @BJM1994: Do observe civility in conversation with other users here and if other users feel uncomfortable, do talk to them in a better way or in other forums. Users have the right to delete talk page messages and that only meant they read or seen it. Personal harassment will not do well. Regards,--Cohaf (talk) 03:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

hello cohaf

american artist 9 (patrick đi Șanto) here | would like to put together a page documenting own contribution to the media ǀ associates were helping with the coding as recently suffered a tbi and cte ǀ would you please direct me to whom would review the material for pre posting edit ǀ thank you ǀ socking is not good | Number9ine (talk) 00:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

• @Number9ine:Yeah, socking isn't good. As of your page, please appeal your block at enwp and then post it for approval at AFC. They will help you more. Regards,--Cohaf (talk) 04:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

傀儡

Halo，請留意此人User:AndyYCRccrUSWCAX，看記錄之前該人士曾被閣下CU而被全域封禁。他最近在中文教科書加了不少機器翻譯的文章。--Gzdavidwong (talk) 11:05, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

@Gzdavidwong:基本我能够判定他是AndyUSWCAX的傀儡。如果阁下有意愿可以直接禁封，不然申请查核也不错的建议。他的问题不是仅仅翻译文献，而是侵权问题，且我站内站外说明了就是不能理解。如果愿意我也可以提交监管员查核。感激通报。--Cohaf (talk) 11:39, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Don't delete Internet Explorer Ampani

This file is totally legal don't Uttap Banua (talk) 15:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

• @Uttap Banua:.I am not an Administrator and can't delete the page, but I nominate it for deletion as it doesn't meet scope here. Thanks and do read the note I left you on your talkpage.--Cohaf (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

cross wiki CU

A CU on wikidata wouldn't be any good because Special:CentralAuth/Drayqueen has never edited on wikidata, and Special:CentralAuth/Bigguy388 has never edited on enwiki. A crosswiki CU would be the only way to prove the connection. A discussion has kicked off at en:User talk:Cabayi#Loginwiki if you want to join in. Cabayi (talk) 09:44, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

• @Cabayi: Thanks for pointing me to that discussion. Yes, I am aware that loginwiki only track account creations. Will watch that discussion but pardon me unable to take part due to other project needs and constraints. Had subscribed to the phab and will follow up on the phab task. Once again, thanks for leaving such a message. Have a nice day.--Cohaf (talk) 09:53, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

The Affiliate-selected Board seats process welcomes your support

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Temper use of revert with grossly insulting

With those grossly insulting attacks by LTAs, please don't use revert which leaves the edit summary. Please quietly undo after you have sought the blocking or locking of the account. It feeds the trolls to do otherwise.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Billinghurst:. Duely noted, thanks. I did sought for blocking of the account in this case. Will wait till they are blocked and then quietly undo. Thanks for heads up.--Cohaf (talk) 04:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

  Not a problem. Learnt this one the hard way too. Doesn't become clearly evident until you get to do the clean up.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:44, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

  Noted with apologies.--Cohaf (talk) 04:45, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Untitled

Hello! Not sure how I got here. Not sure why this happened. Was supposed top be on Wikiversity. Anyway, I will delete it. RAYLEIGH22 (talk) 18:31, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@RAYLEIGH22: No issues. If you need the information back, could ask for temp undelete at RFH. For meta userpages, do write one that meets meta scope.Regards,--Cohaf (talk) 06:18, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Coming to Wikimania?

Your comment when you voted about candidate Expedition to Lapland made me curious - are you coming to Stockholm in August? :-) // Zquid (talk) 14:32, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Zquid: Nope but it'll be good for more people to understand the history in their native language so I made that remark. Hope you'll have a fun and meaningful time in Aug. :).--Cohaf (talk) 14:39, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

1. It's a pity - it had been fun to meet someone from meta IRL.

2. I agree.

3. Thank you! I'm sure it will be fun and also much to do (I will be a volunteer). :-)

Zquid (talk) 14:50, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Zquid: If I am not wrong there will be other meta people going (like some stewards and etc), and thanks for volunteering even IRL. :) --Cohaf (talk) 15:32, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps I'll meet some people IRL I just met in WP before. I know I will meet some wp people again I met IRL before. And I live in Stockholm, so this is a Wikimania ​​that is easy for me to go to... :-) // Zquid (talk) 15:46, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Cool. How I wish to have one in my country, nice for you Zquid .--Cohaf (talk) 15:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I'm new on meta.wikimedia,org my name is PaulBaker1980, it is nice to meet you. I'm just wondering if you allowed to add some albums to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Essential. A friend of mine asked me to asked you can you please add The Essential Sly & The Family Stone, The Essential Eric Carmen or The Essential Bruce Hornsby? I want to be your friend. That's all Please feel to message me if you have any questions at anytime.

Thanks PaulBaker1980 (talk) 8:00, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Hum...

Am I too suspicious? --Herby ^{talk thyme} 07:38, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

@Herbythyme: I guess it's them. :) --Cohaf (talk) 07:42, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Blocked here anyway - best --Herby ^{talk thyme} 07:47, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Now self confirmed. Thanks Herbythyme --Cohaf (talk) 07:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Autopatrol

That will surely help. Thanks and regards. --Superyetkin (talk) 15:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@Superyetkin: Welcomed. --Cohaf (talk) 16:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Welcome back! --Streetdeck （Talk） 11:03, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@Streetdeck: Thanks for the welcome. Appreciate it. I'm still busy with quite a bit of stuff in real life, will be unable to do long editing and etc. Still retired till maybe middle of next year. Hope all is well with you. Happy New Year! --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I am looking forward to seeing you in zh-wikipedia. Wish you have a Merry Christmas and a happy new year! --Streetdeck （Talk） 13:19, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@Streetdeck: Sure, hopefully I can be more free in real life to contribute. Sidenote:Try not to use wikiplus at meta, it causes bug everywhere. :) --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:50, 14 December 2019 (UTC)