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Translation on Wikimedia LGBT/2024-09-08

I'm not quite sure what was wrong with the translation variables on Wikimedia LGBT/2024-09-08, but I have reverted your changes and manually double-checked them, so that there are no hard-coded URLs in Spanish and all the variables are coming through correctly.

Given I specifically checked before renaming the variables from $1 to something more meaningful in each case, I'm not sure what the problem had been, but I'm sure we both have better things to do that look through all the translation units' history to check it in detail 😅

In any case, thank you for trying to fix things! — OwenBlacker (Talk; he/him) 14:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

It is strongly discouraged to use words as translation variables as they might cause confusion to new users who are translating content and it's a pain to fix them if they go unnoticed for a long time. Please revert it back, thanks. --Min☠︎rax^«¦talk¦» 14:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I have never heard that before; where is it strongly discouraged, please?

The MediaWiki documentation (row "Numbers") uses a named (rather than numbered) variable, as does mw:Content translation/Documentation/Comparison with the Translate extension and Meta:Internationalization guidelines recommends using named variables in some circumstances:

if tvar is inside a sentence, it should have an explicit name to allow translators to understand what it contains and so write it easily in the right place in their translation

and 2 of the 3 "good syntax" examples use named variables.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you here. The page is about a meeting of the WMLGBT+ User Group which is probably not gonna be read much after the next few days and it's pretty likely to only translators are gonna be UG members who saw that I posted it to our Telegram group, along with a link to File:WMLGBT+ guide to translation markup.pdf, which also uses named variables as examples, so they should not be too unfamiliar. I think "strongly discouraged" is a big of an overstatement and the risk of it being a problem in this specific case is very low — OwenBlacker (Talk; he/him) 20:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

The variables you used are unnecessary as the content before and after the pipe (|) is the same.

1. WMLGBT -> LGBT+ User Group
2. ZoneStamp -> Find your local time here
3. Zoom -> Zoom meeting
4. UCoC -> Universal Code of Conduct
5. TS -> Trust & Safety
6. Signpost -> coverage in Signpost
7. MetaElection -> a tad special but content already made known prior at "WMF board trustees election".

See Meta:Internationalization_guidelines#Links, what you linked is meant for variables that are inside a sentence, and is usually not a wikilink. --Min☠︎rax^«¦talk¦» 03:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

And this is the reason why numbers are used instead. Special:Diff/27421117/27420910. --Min☠︎rax^«¦talk¦» 03:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by The variables you used are unnecessary as the content before and after the pipe is the same. Equally, what you linked is meant for variables that are inside a sentence, and is usually not a wikilink is, to some extent, your interpretation. Usually not a wikilink is not codified anywhere and meant for variables that are inside a sentence does not preclude their use elsewhere.

And, to be honest, if editors don't understand variables such that they translate the variable name, such as in the Kannada-language example you linked, the solution is definitely not to hard-code the link instead, but rather to make it clearer to translators what variables are. This is already a subset of editors who are willing to be more familiar with a different editing interface. This is a UXD problem, not a coding problem.

I don't think we're likely to agree here, I'm afraid. — OwenBlacker (Talk; he/him) 08:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #644

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata in the
week leading up to 2024-09-02. Please help Translate. Missed the previous one?
See issue #643

Discussions

• Open request for adminship: أمين - RfP scheduled to end 9 September 2024 11:18 (UTC).

Events

• Next: (pt) Auditive Health Project – Workshop Wikipedia and Wikidata 10 September - Expand and contribute to articles and items on Audiology, this event will be held in 3 participating Universities in Brazil. Register on Etherpad.
• Upcoming: The program for the Celtic Knot Conference 2024 is now available to view! Whether you're interested in language preservation, digital tools for minority languages, or simply connecting with like-minded individuals, there's something for everyone. The conference will take place in Waterford City from September 25-27, 2024

Press, articles, blog posts, videos

• Blogs
  • (de) TIB Blog:The TIB project WikiRemembrance - The aim of the project was to develop a handout on digital culture of remembrance in a collaborative and participatory process. The project will be ending soon and you can register for the closing event (9 Oct 2024).
  • Correcting outdated facts in Wikidata - Anj Simmons takes us through an example of finding an outdated or inaccurate fact and correcting it with supporting references.
  • Adding citations between existing articles in Wikidata - About a command line tool written in Groovy to enrich Wikidata with citations between journal articles and other research output with DOIs
• Videos
  • Wikidata Quality Toolkit: Empowering Wikidata editors and content. Albert Meroño introduces a suite of tools to assist editors by recommending items to edit, detect poorly-supported item references and generating EntitySchemas to find items missing information.
  • (ar) Arabic Wikidata Days 2024 - Session 3: SPARQL Query - Houcemeddine Turki introduces how to forumlate and build SPARQL queries in the Wikidata Query Service.

Tool of the week

• User:Teester/CheckShex.js - a Userscript that adds an input box to a Wikidata page wherein you can enter an EntitySchema (such as E10). When you click "Check", it uses pyshexy to validate the entity against the schema and displays whether the entity passes or fails.

Other Noteworthy Stuff

• 🔥 Big changes are coming to the #WikidataQueryService. If you query for scholarly articles, please take a look at this announcement!
• Is Shakespeare in German something for you? A digital version of the Schlegel/Tieck edition (Aufbau-Verlag 1975) was released with Wikidata connections. (source)

Newest properties and property proposals to review

• Newest General datatypes
  • denomination (value of a currency or type of currency)
  • exponent of base unit (a qualifier of derived from base unit (P12571) used to describe the exponent of the unit)
  • game designer (person(s) who devised and developed this game)
  • Handwriting exaple (Sample image of the person's handwriting.)
• Newest External identifiers: Illinois Center for the Book author ID, Slekt og Data grave ID, ‎FolkWiki ID, iasj article ID, 365scores football team ID, speedrun.com series ID, All Musicals lyrics ID, MobyGames critic ID, Polygon game ID, Madain Project ID, 365scores basketball player ID, FOLDOC ID, GameFAQs genre ID, Retromags game ID, Nomes e Voces ID, Altar of Gaming company ID, Altar of Gaming franchise ID, Altar of Gaming game ID, Altar of Gaming person ID, Ciel d'oc ID, VideoGameGeek genre ID, GameSpot genre ID, FranceTerme identifier, DOS Game Modding Wiki article ID, monument ID in the archive of Linz, ‎Altar of Gaming character ID, WikiYeshiva article ID, Yediot Books book ID, Mapcarta ID, VIRIN, cnkgraph person ID, Tabletopia game ID, cnkgraph book ID, cnkgraph poem ID, Lexikon der Mathematik entry ID, ‎CNES ID, ‎Tretyakov Gallery artist ID, ‎TV Maze character ID, Say Who ID, ‎Finnish Business ID, Prosocour person ID
• New General datatypes property proposals to review:
  • Larval host plant (Larval host plant - used only for insects - subclass of P1034)
  • has reading (phonetic reading or pronunciation of the sinogram)
  • agent of action & agent class of action & agents of action have role (particular item that initiates this action or class of actions)
  • formula weight (molar mass of an empirical forumula unit of a chemical compound, element or isotope)
  • mode of reproduction (ways for living organisms to propagate or produce their offsprings)
  • initialism (abbreviation containing only first letters of an expression (regardless if pronounced as letters or as a word))
  • health points (health or armor points of this video game, board game or role-playing game character)
  • damage (damage value of this video game weapon, ability or character)
  • magazine capacity (magazine capacity or clip size of this firearm or weapon (real or fictional))
  • male mean age (male mean age in a given place; qualifier of {{P|4442}})
  • female mean age (female mean age in a given place; qualifier of {{P|4442}})
  • Mummy of a person (mummy of a person)
• New External identifier property proposals to review: ACUM IDs, Encyclopedia of Brno History literature ID, Board Game Arena ID, BoardGaming.com game ID, case id (mainland China), Identifiant dans l'annuaire de l'École des chartes, Trakt episode ID, The Indian Express Topic ID, NWIS site ID, Hindustan Times Topic ID, Biblioteka Nauki IDs, Stadtwiki Karlsruhe ID, culture.ru organization ID, identifiant Encyclopédie des femmes tunisiennes, LMFDB knowl ID, Athletics New Zealand athlete ID, MinDat Feature ID, BoardGameGeek game mechanic ID, Linked Open Vocabularies (LOV), Ontobee id, newgrounds.com game ID

You can comment on all open property proposals!

Did you know?

• Query examples:
  • Emergency number by country size
  • Countries with most UNESCO World Heritage Sites
  • People with songs named after them
• Newest database reports: Lexicographical data/Ideas of queries/list of sense properties
• Showcase Items: atheism (Q7066) - absence of belief in the existence of deities; the opposite of theism
• Showcase Lexemes: 𒆠𒅅𒂵𒉘 (L1347328) - Sumerian verb, means 'to love'

Development

• (BREAKING CHANGE ANNOUNCEMENT) Wikidata Query Service graph split available in production; scholarly entity queries require migration by March 2025
• We ported many WikibaseLexeme browser tests from WebdriverIO to Cypress (phab:T355934)
• We’re working on improving the MUL support in the mobile termbox (phab:T373088)
• We’re updating the “label in language” constraint for MUL (phab:T370293)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Weekly Tasks

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• Contribute to the showcase Item and Lexeme above.
• Summarize your WikiProject's ongoing activities in one or two sentences.
• Govdirectory weekly focus country: Canada
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