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Before making a request:
- Are some of them be Yage Wu? Someone think that at least the last one would be. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Added a user per request from local.--LightyearsTalk 13:46, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Confirmed 哈密瓜抽, 哈密爪抽, 哈密爪柚
- Unrelated Bu ai se kao de zhu
- Additional information needed about how the other accounts are related before checks will be ran. Checkuser is not for a fishing expedition. There needs to be a behavioral connection.
- @AmandaNP: About Sanhuanshen (三幻神), @MCC214: said that a zhwiki LTA zh:LTA:千村狐免 said on Uncyclopedia (link) that: I'm the famous Chinese Wikipedia spammer, and the leader of a recently appeared Sanhuanshen. After not more than 7 days of written of this sentence, someone registered 三幻神, what a coincidence thing this is happened. Note that the Sanhuanshen made a block review request, so we cannot handle it without CU results. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- They created the same page, and the low quality of the content doesn't fully explain why you need a checkuser. Can you tell me why you need a checkuser for them? --Sotiale (talk) 12:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
First things first. I have to admit that I don't have the most perfect or flawless English, so any user who finds a grammar mistake or just a wrong translatiton, please feel free to fix it or contact with me to fix :)
I make this request to prove my innocence per the CheckUser policy. I do that because two of CheckUsers made a conclusion that User:Soner Turhan 0202 is my sockpuppet in 2016, and I still suffer from endless claims. I have made this request in the Turkish Wikipedia as well, but one of the CheckUsers (CU) was involved to the incident in 2016 (User:Elmacenderesi, who didn't share any opinion in the 2021 request), another CU (User:Uncitoyen) gave a "conclusion" which basically indicates "there was a IP crossing check 'before the request'" -nothing to prove my innocent or guilt-, and the other CU is basically ignoring the requests (User:Eldarion, as he does in the last four and a half years, as can be seen in the page histories). Therefore, I have no other chance to make this request to prove my innocence in here, even, I have reasonable doubts for the reliability, credibility, and capability of the CUs.
Soner Turhan 0202 creates a new article by copying the content in the sandbox of Rapsar which he created for Altıparmak Gıda. Please take a look at the situation I mentioned in his request for adminship page, related with the Serhat (şarkıcı) article that Rapsar has created. Briefly, he creates an article of a person that is a friend of him, according to his claim. And then that article is being translated into approximately 10 languages and they are sent to Rapsar to create in various editions of Wikipedia, and he creates them. Among the articles of Soner Turhan 0202 has created, there is also Megahit-Uluslararası Akdeniz Şarkı Yarışması, which is related with Serhat. The same user creates another well-written article, TEB Aile Akademisi, translates into English and he creates the article in the English Wikipedia. It's interesting to see well-written articles from a user with the most of his contributions are just vandalism, and all of them are created in March 29, 2016. After all of them [creating articles], he/she sends a WikiLove message to Rapsar saying 'good job man' and for some reason, Rapsar reverts it. And Soner Turhan becomes silent after that. To think that all of those things are just 'good job man!' would be an over-good faithed assuming. We are facing with a meatpuppetry which contains commerce
As can be seen above, it is claimed that I am a subject of a "meatpuppetry" (that's important, he/she says that) case and User:Soner Turhan 0202 is my meatpuppet. The "commerce" or "paid-editing" part of the issue is not the subject of this request, so I am not going to say anything for that not to make it too long and more difficult to understand that it already is.
Anywat, in the request, it can be seen (well, a Google translate would help maybe, there's no reason to translate all the text) that I stay pretty calm, because I am basically aware of that I am not involved such an act. On the other hand, I had left my home country (Turkey) in January 28, 2016 (a gap in my contributions between January 28 and February 2 can easily be seen), stayed in another country for about 4 months, and left that country on June 1 (also a gap can be seen in my contributions between June 1-3). I can easily prove that trip, with my social media posts or even with a copy of my visa, anything you may like :) In the 2016 request, it's claimed that i was a subject of a "meatpuppetry" case, keep that in mind.
Back to the 2016 CU request, back in those times, my sandboxes were full of my works, some of them I worked for days, some for weeks which can easily be seen in the page histories. And they are not completed yet, I was still working on them. Soner Turhan 0202 registered in March 26, 2016 and he started to make edits on the very same day, pure vandalism. He was blocked for one day by User:Sakhalinio on that day. He returned in March 29 and the first thing he did was copying the contents of three uncompleted articles on my 3 sandboxes and creating them as articles. Right after that, he [sent a WikiLove message to me titled "good job man" that says "ohohh - good job" yazmış]. I was acting on that time and reverted that after 3 minutes. Of course I don't remember what I did exactly on those times, it's been 5 years, but I know that I wasnt't even aware of that Soner Turhan 0202 had copied my works and used them to create new articles. But how can I prove that I wasn't aware? As can be seen in here, on April 13, apprixomately 2 weeks later of them, I saw that they are created by him and I revised all three of them. Not on the same day, after a day, the same week. And as can be seen, I didn't just approve them, I made some contributions on them because they were unfinished basically.
At this point, I'd like to give some information about the devices that I was using back in that time. When I was in Turkey, I was using a desktop PC with a Windows XP OS. My web browser was Google Chrome. When I left my country, I grabbed a laptop that I have never used before. Its OS was Windows 8 or 10 (I don't remember that much) and my web browser was Google Chrome. During my time abroad, I had used that device, all the time. Therefore, that was the first time I changed my device to contribute on Wikipedia, after many years (can be some exceptions, but I was not even contributing on mobile devices back then, all of them can be checked and seen). After I return to Turkey, if I remember correct, I used my laptop and desktop together, for a while, and after a while, I stopped using the laptop and used my desktop that I had been using for all those years. Until the end of January 2017, I kept using that device, OS and web browser.
Let's go back to the 2016 CU request again. THe first contact of me and Soner Turhan 0202 had occured in March 29, 2016, as I mentioned. I wasn't in Turkey back then. But despite that fact, A CU, User:Sadrettin declares a "conclusion" stating "I was able to detect crossed IP addresses and other some technical datas", indicating me, Soner Turhan 0202 and another user named User:N.N P&S (his/her contributions). In that statement, "IP address" part is important, because I wasn't in Turkey back then. If I remember correct, I hadn't declare the country I was in (until the CU request in 2016). The country I was in is not a country that you prefer to reach by using a VPN (those add-ons have locations in Germany, the USA, Singapore etc but not Mexico). Therefore, I stated that there must be a mistake. Besides, not to mention that the CU request was made for a "meatpuppetry" case, not a "sockpuppetry" case.
Let's go back at Soner Turhan 0202. During his (I keep saying "he", because the user name is a male name) activities, he made pure vandalism. His edits can be seen easily, but the important part is his deleted articles. Just on the day he registered, he created approximately 40 articles titled "Soner Turhan" or referring to that (such as "S. Turhan")! He started doing that at 01:54 and continued until 02:28. Then he stopped creating articles and started to make edits at 04:01 (pure vandalism) and until 04:56, the vandalism continued (until he was blocked). If you just take a look at my contributions at those times, I started my activities on March 25, editing since 19:04 until 20:12, and on March 26 at 03:20, I make an edit. The time I became active again was at 18.48. Considering the time difference between Mexico and Turkey (8-9 hours), if I control both accounts, I must have stayed awake one whole day, contributing in my account and switching to my sockpuppet account and make vandalism, create 40 articles, and then again more vandalism for some reason. Since the 2016 CU request states "there are crossed IP addresses", I had to buy a VPN (because I suppose the other user is located in Turkey and I need to buy that to have a Turkish IP adress) and keep switching it on and off.
Now, I am going to mention of another interesting thing. Just 4 days before that CU request, on June 5, 2016, an anonymous user posts this on the village pump:
Title: Wikipedia user makes a score
I have a trading business in Istanbul. For the last few monts, a young guy keeps coming to our office and makes an offer to us about creating our Wikipedia page [...] Last week that guy visited us again and he showed some of his works [giving a link to one of my sandboxes]. He didn't seem so trustworthy so I decided it'd be better to write you. I'd like to order it from you, please inform me and give some information about the payment too.
Basically the anonymous user claims that I had been coming to Istanbul and my latest visit was on the last week. Well, when I was in the other side of the world (January 28-June 1, 2016), I was basically keep going to Turkey and visiting them and coming back :) It makes total sense... 4 days after that claim, the 2016 CU request were made. I have no idea or theory who that anonymous user is...
I'm back to the 2016 CU request again. On June 11, one of the CUs, User:Elmacenderesi makes his first comment on the case. I just want to copy some parts of his comment: "The CU activities I have done in the past, I have detected crossed IP addresses over and over again". Wait, what? Which detections? Where and when? "Over and over again"? Soner Turhan 0202 made edits only 2 days, how come there can be multiple crossed IP addreses? Elmacenderesi states that "even if you [not me, in general he refers, I guess] change your IP address, yoru computer, use VPN, we can understand, see and know that you have a sockpuppet". Wait, what again? So all of us basically are sockpuppets, because we change our device and IP address, yet, we are controlled by the same person. That comment is basically unacceptable. He continues: "If we come back to Rapsar, in his request for adminship discussion, he gives credit the comments are made about another users by anonymous sockpuppets. On the other hand, he removes the comments of anonymous sockpuppets in this CU request -whom we blocked-, he states that he is fighting against vandalism. Isn't that biassed?". I was not able to understand what he was referring by them, but I was able to while I was makine the 2021 CU request in the Turkish Wikipedia. He refers here:
Rapsar [my former user name], I say this pretty clear, you are one of the biggest provocateurs in here. On above, an anonymous sockpupet whose biggest honesty is his/her cowardness made a comment and you agree with that, that's who you are. You are part of a group that drives away the users, you know that too pretty well. Agree with the sockpuppet. Because that's your [plural] biggest honesty.— e.c. 18:59, 8 Mart 2016 (UTC)
If a regular user makes that comment, those unacceptable words and claims, that user would be blocked immediately, or at least be warned. He didn't receive anything. And the same user, Elmacenderesi, states this in my request for CU discussion: "CU must be practiced by the users that doesn't have conflicts with the other users nor the users that doesn't look for weak spots of them".
Among of his other comments in my 2016 CU request, something else draws my attention: "I verified [the findings] to the global CUs" and then "I'll advice to the global CUs [again]". "Global CU" doesn't exist. Maybe he refers "stewards", but in any case, such a term doesn't exist.
Let's start with the VPN thing that he mentioned on the 2016 CU request. He comments that "I warned him about VPN using, he didn't even care". Let's take a look at his contributions between June 1 and June 16, 2016. Can we see any VPN warning made for me? Nop (I'll say why I gave those dates). That VPN warning has made in March 1, 2016 on the village pump. Is it possible that I haven't seen that? Totally yes. But anyway, since I have mentioned a few times, I was in a country that I literally didn't have to use VPN. Basically, I didn't have to. In Turkey, as many of you already know, there are many websites that are banned and we can't use them without using VPN. Even YouTube or Twitter was banned for a while, therefore, even if I had VPN (and I had during my time in Turkey obviously), it's pretty possible that I forgot it turned on and I edited like that. Why the hell would I even edit Wikipedia by using a VPN, and using my account anyway? I edit since 2009, 7 years back then, many people know me in person, I mean why would I try to hide my IP address but use the same account? :) If it's possible to check my IP addresses that I had used those times, it can be seen that even if I accidentally used VPN, I turned it off when I noticed. Someone please explain, if I use VPN when I use my sockpuppet account, why the hell would I use when I use my main account and just leave marks?
After those VPN talks (there's no way to prove it but back then, I didn't know that those add-ons are called "VPN", I was just using "Zenmate" without the knowledge, but there's no way to prove it and it's not even important), Elmacenderesi, posts a "conclusion" for the 2016 CU request. He claims that I used VPN on June 12-13 again ([my contributions). There is no logical explaination that he warns me for not using VPN, and the very next day, I use it again, and for two days! Just like that, to contribute Wikipedia, I use my semi-anonymous account and use a VPN! Is it possible that I forgot to turn it off? Totally. Maybe I was using Wikipedia and other banned website on the same time, who knows! But there is absolutely no reason nor logical explanation nor proof that I used VPN intentionally, and for my sockpuppet account.
Let's revise the "conclusion" of Elmacenderesi. He claims "spending the last few nights by revising my contributions carefully and making technical analysis by receiving support from the Foundation". But he basically fails to notice zero relevance between my contributions and Soner Turhan 0202's edits. After that, he states that "in meatpuppetry cases, it's pretty pretty rare to see crossed IP addresses between the main account and the vandal account, but there can be a coincidence". Wait. I thought there was a "multiple" crossed IP addresses? He stated that before, and now we are back at "meatpuppetry"? He continues: "I'd like all of you to know that we wouldn't block anyone by cheap comments of all the sockpuppets in here [the CU request] whom I know (we detected all of them)". He doesn't mention who they are. He also mentions that he revoked my revison check user rights.
In the second comment he made on June 18, he states that "[referring the revoking my revision check user rights] this action is not related by your VPN using. I don't recommend you to use VPN." So, VPN is not a problem, he "recommends" not to use. So, what was my fault? VPN usage, nop. Meatpuppetry? They said "multiple crossed IP addresses". Sockpuppetry? They mentioned on "meatpuppetry". So basically they don't even know how to blame me :) I tell you what to blame, just some accidental VPN using -which can easily be seen in the records-, that's all and that's not even a thing :)
Now, let's mention of another things, pass to another dimension :) On the 2016 CU request page, User:Toppolila makes a comment in June 12, 2016 and mentions of someone: User:Hakan Balamir. If we just take a look at his (again, male name) contributions. He had registered in March 18, 2016, and makes his first edit on that very day (similar to Soner Turhan 0202). The interesting part is that we just check the articles Hakan Balamir has created and bingo! Such as Soner Turhan 0202, he created many articles within minutes and they are all pure vandalism. He created 24 articles on that day and their names are "Soner Turhan" or variations of it! User:Vikiçizer's 6 hours of blocking didn't stop that user and he continued his vandal activities. Not only creating pages, but on the other edits and vandal activities, you can easily observe the same pattern with Soner Turhan 0202, blanking pages, adding meaningless content etc. A user, Toppolila, mentioned of that user but not a single attention was given to Hakan Balamir and CUs don't even bother themselves to check that user!. That user gets blocked several times, but despite all of them he doesn't stop and he keeps vandalise and vandalise. This user is Soner Turhan 0202, it's clear as a day. Even before my CU request, those two users were vandalising over and over again. So, the CUs say that Soner Turhan 0202 is my sockpuppet/meatpuppet (I don't know which one), but Hakan Balamir is not. If one of them is my evil account, the other one should be, clear as a day :)
Now, let's go forward a bit on time. In July 10, 2016, a few weeks after the creation of my CU request, User:II. Niveles creates a CU request for U:Hakan Balamir. Other users can be seen in there, II. Niveles shows the similar vandalism patterns between those users. Elmacenderesi closes this request as "possible" in August 15 and states that "there are no technical connections between them, but it can be possible that they made professional vandalism by using different IP addresses". Just check the edits please, they literally have the same vandalism patterns! What else do you need? Your responsibility as a CU is not only IP address checking, but checking the contribution patterns!
Now let's go back in time for a bit. In July 2, 2015, User:Supermæn makes a CU request about 5 user accounts and 12 anonymous users. What are the names of those users? User:Sonerturhan081994, User:Adsız081994, User:Sonerturhan00, User:Gsli soner and User:Sonerturhan156. I can't see their edits except Sonerturhan081994, because they are deleted, so we can just look at the articles they have created. I am not going to add them one by one, you can easily check them. All of them had created pure vandalizm articles, related with (!) football or "Soner Turhan". If you take a look of Sonerturhan081994's contributions, it can be seen that they start on July 2013. In his first contribution he adds "Soner Turhan", for example. This CU request was closed by Elmacenderesi in August 15, 2015 by "confirmed" and he states that "it's detected that those accounts are sockpuppets". So basically, this "Soner Turhan" thing goes back all the way to July 2013, 3 years before "my sockpuppet/meatpuppet" Soner Turhan 0202.
CU requests in chronological order are like this: Sonerturhan081994 (July 2015), Rapsar-Soner Turhan 0202 (July 2016) and Hakan Balamir (July 2016). All of those vandals have the same vandalism pattern and it starts back in 2013! All of them are connected, using similar names, makes similar vandalisms, they are all connected. Except one: Soner Turhan 0202. And that one is claimed is to be connected with me :) Just unbelievable. There is a person or persons makine a similar vandalism since 2013, all of those accounts and anonymous users are not connected with me, but Soner Turhan 0202 is. That's not even the end, another CU request comes on November 15, 2016, and that adds 4 other user accounts and 3 anonymous users. They're again all connected, but Soner Turhan 0202 not :) Why? Because he just copied the contents of my sandboxes :)
Now we fastforward to 2020. I just come across with a user, User:Parayla Madde Yazan PaRapsar ("Rapsar, the user writes articles for money"). I send a private message to Elmacenderesi on Telegram in March 4, 2020 so he can make a solution. After his recommendation, I make a CU request. I have no idea nor a theory who that person can be, as I stated there. After a few minutes, Elmacenderesi closes that CU request as "confirmed"and bingo! We see Hakan Balamir there. The user who has the same pattern with all those Soner Turhan accounts, but except the one: Soner Turhan 0202! Because that one is my sockpuppet/meatpuppet :) So basically, the last vandal account that I made a CU request, the vandal that damages my honour and my image, is just me :) The vandal or vandals that had been vandalising since 2013 are just connected with me, even damaging my own image or even my own anonymity is me! Any logic in that?
That was the translation of my recent CU request in the Turkish Wikipedia. And now, we even have new information related with the case.
After all the things I wrote, all the evidences I gave (even said that you can share my private information, IP addresses during those times, device information, anything), that request was closed by User:Uncitoyen stating "in the [CU] logs, I can see that Soner Turhan 0202's IP address had checked days before the 2016 CU request which was made in June 9, 2016 and right after that Nanahuatl's [Rapsar] IP address". He only mentions that, doesn't say that we are connected or doesn't prove my innicence. In his second comment, he states that "the first IP check was made in June 5, 4 days before the CU request".
- Questions raising
- Who is the anonymous user that claimed "I visited their office"? Why the CUs ignore that?
- Who are the sockpuppets on my 2016 CU request? Elmacenderesi had stated that he knows them, he detected them. Who are they?
- How can I even have crossed IP's with someone in Turkey while I was in Mexico? Do you refer that we had crossed IP addresses when I accidentally used VPN? So I must have tens, hundreds of accounts.
- How come all of those CUs never consider tens of vandal accounts and anonymous users?
- Is it that easy to claim that someone has sockpuppets by just finding out a crossed IP?
- How can I have "multiple" crossed IP addresses while my claimed sockpuppet was only active for 2 days?
- How come I am not connected with all of those vandal accounts, if I am connected with one of them?
- The most important question: What if they, mostly Elmacenderesi just knew them and abused his rights? His aggresiveness ("provocateur part") can be noticed. There are other such attitudes but I prefer not to mention to stay in the issue.
- What I request?
- I request that a CU checks all of the information and proves I give. That CU can feel free to share my private information (not current, historical information) publicly, on Wiki projects. I just want to prove my innocence and when it's proved, I can clearly say that this is a CU abuse, a clear abuse of Elmacenderesi. All those silence, all those avoidings, all those carelessness and ignoring... I have done hundreds of thousands contributions, contributed more than 80 FAs, FLs and GAs in total, created around 4.000 articles. And here I am trying to prove my innocence because this image has just stuck on me and I don't have any solution. Besides, this abuse is more than me, Nanahuatl, it has critical importance for Wiki projects, not just for me.
Not done trwiki has its own CU. Stewards do not intervene on a project with an active CU. Closed. — regards, Revi 10:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Also: If you allege abuse of CU privileges, you should go to OC, not SRCU. — regards, Revi 10:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- @-revi:, they basically ignore, there is no way to prove my innocence. What am I suppose to do?--Nanahuatl (talk) 10:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- i am wondering that what is solution this situation? It look like catch-22. Satirdan kahraman (talk) 21:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
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