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Deleting duplicate pagesEdit

I would ask that you consult the meta deletion policy before deleting any more pages. Your deletion of IRC Channels was contrary to established policies. Perl 00:41, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The deletion summary was "deleted "IRC channels": copy of a page from en without any attribution of original authorship with the addition of highly objected to links".

I think meta is the proper home for this page. Only one of the links was "highly disputed" or even disputed at all, and that is hardly a reason for deleting the page. Silsor 00:46, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)


Yes -- you are right -- I saw the edit summary...and obviously didn't carefully check what was edited and assumed the worst. I suppose I really shouldn't edit when I'm on a conference call ;-). Sorry, and thanks. -- BCorr|Брайен 21:32, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Enciclopedia LibreEdit wrote that in Enciclopedia Libre [...]

I supose this may be of your interest (those comments are not for EL neither from EL). Willy 16:29, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

142.177 is a well known user who has declared himself a troll. He is permanently banned from the English Wikipedia. I wouldn't take too seriously what anyone who admits to trolling is saying. If you have concerns about the trademark issues, the Foundation-l mailing list is a good place to raise them, but please don't worry about what "142.177" is saying on EL. Angela 16:36, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks; as the troll is banned... post his/her comments on EL :( Willy 17:00, 29 May 2004 (UTC)


Congratulations Angela. -- Looxix

Thanks. Angela

I am happy you are elected. I think we will continue to work together closely multingually. Arno Lagrange  21:44, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Working on the multilingual side of things with you will be great. Angela

Me too! You'll be a great asset to the board! BCorr|Брайен 15:52, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Angela 22:12, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Broken category linkEdit


you recently removed a broken category link ([[:category:]]). How did you found it? if you click on special:allcategory the link category: i get an error-message. --WikiWichtel 11:16, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

yes, of course, we shouldn't have broken links as [category:], but if the software accepts such category, the software should give a chance to _find_ the article where this category is used. If someone types [[:category:]] into an article, you'll see that this has happened on the list of all categories special:categories _but_ you can't use the link because mediawiki says 'error'. Again: how do you find such broken categories? --WikiWichtel 15:39, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

↓ use this link, see the first category and click...

Sorry, I don't know of any way. Have you reported it as a bug anywhere? Angela 20:28, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Yes: MediaWiki 1.3 comments and bug reports#category:
Since the broken category is named "Category:" you can use "what links here" and manually enter the target. --Borislav 21:19, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
No, that won't work. Special:Whatlinkshere/Category:Wikimedia Foundation only shows three pages, despite there being many more in that category. What links here shows only the pages that link inline to the category by using [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation]] rather than [[Category:Wikimedia Foundation]]. Angela 21:30, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This an official complaint.Edit

Dear Angela,

This an official complaint.

At first glance, the Wiki concept looked very sympathetic. However, the reality, in French Wikipedia, is far from nice, owing to the mobbing mores in power, there.

I would have preferred to have this matter treated with the administrators or fr.wikipedia; Infortunatelly, I have not found any mean to join any of them.

I wish to have my contributions quickly eradicated from, owing to the mobbing mores of this pack. Threats, insults, insinuations, campain of calumnies... They have used so with me, they will do it again against anybody who is not completely at their taste, who is not completely submissive.

I demand to have my paper fr:Produit extérieur, and its images destroyed from the site. Though they pretend a quite another story, it is a matter of morality : I deeply regret to have contributed in anything to such violent, insulting, and rogue pack.

By the way, a human audit should not be unnecessary... Otherwise the same causes will produce the same effects, again.

Very regretfully,

Jacques Lavau 19:40, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

As the work is released under the GFDL, that is not something you can demand unforunately. Have you tried emailing any of the admins on fr? There is a list of them at fr:Wikipédia:Administrateurs#Administrateurs actifs. Also, are you happy for Anthere to deal with this, as she speaks French and is in more contact with the admins on fr than I am? Angela 20:09, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Angel, I read all incriminated pages and I can assure you that the only insults that was used was all from Mr Lavau. Aineko 02:51, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Admin powersEdit

Dispute over the editing of What we use the money for moved to en:User talk:Angela


I see that you now have shell access. Well, congratulations :-)
I am sure the solution you found for the foundation website is the best for most people. As for myself, two of the main reasons I joined Wikipedia and throw so much energy in it, was that I was empowered to do things without having to ask people all the time to help me, and second, that I did not need to learn a complicated language. Funny thing is that these are two reasons we claim Wikipedia is great.

So, what do I do now ? Anthere bashingEdit

hehe.. sorry if i slip into bashing, I was in a horrible WikiWar with one of the moderators, it mostly came down to my ignorance of the MediaWiki, however, it was also him not telling me how to use it... now I know a lot more, and I want to write how to use this beast (a friendly beast) so other people don't quit, or wage WikiWar. AaronPeterson 15:29, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!Edit

About the first level headers, NOOOOOoo... (fourth level headers wern't working when I started using MediaWiki).. and I need some headings to be 3 deep.. do 4 equal signs work to the same effect?

Finding stuffEdit

I'm finding stuff as I go, I don't intend to duplicate things. I will try to merge WikiWars with Edit Wars... I'm in love with the way WikiWar sounds... About the prexisting format guides, I linked to the ones I found. I'll follow your link, but I find most to be too verbose for my tastes. I wish we all had a voice conferance system... ... Team Speak! We need to find a donor to supply team speak to wikipedia developers! That way we could be working on articles, instead of spending 1/2 hour writing a short messages (at 10 words per minute)

already on IRC on #mediawikiEdit

I'm actually on the IRC channel quite a bit. just #mediawiki though, and not auto logged on, untill now.. I think team speak would rock... (I've never actually used it) It would be nice to use all of my sences to do something rather than just listen to music... I'll look into it a bit.

Question re appropriate contentEdit

Hello Angela,

I am a Wikipedia newbie with a question about the policy regarding appropriate content. I was not able to find the answer to my question in the policy articles.

Does an entry such as [[[w:en:Pearl necklace|pearl necklace]]] belong in the Wikipedia, or does it violate the policy for content?

I ask because I have children using the Wikipedia and such articles seem to be (in my opinion) nothing more than textual pornography.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--Jelammers 26 July 2004

I've replied at en:User talk:Jelammers. Angela 23:55, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Transwiki processEdit

Good evening. On m:Talk:Transwiki#New proposal, you mentioned that the transwiki process will no longer be dependent on cut-and-paste once 1.3 goes live. If I understood right, that happened in May. The instructions for transwiki still talk about cut-and-paste (and I must admit that I could not figure out how to execute them without losing the required history). There is quite a list of articles piling up for transwiki at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old. I'd like to help clean that up if you can help me to understand the process better. Thanks. Rossami 22:35, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Lojban WikipediaEdit

I tried to create the Lojban Wikipedia by pushing the button, but I got "Invalid request". Can you fix it? -PierreAbbat 01:03, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:PierreAbbat

Thanks! I've started working on it. -PierreAbbat 08:53, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I asked Tim about the language file and capitalization, but he doesn't want to help, or doesn't understand what I'm asking. Whom else could I ask? -PierreAbbat 03:22, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've replied at jbo. Strangely, I replied before I saw this message! Angela 03:55, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Swedish wiktionaryEdit

Hi and congratulations!

I have a question which I posted at the meta-wiki Babel. As noone has answered it for weeks now I try to ask you. I wonder about unicode in article names. It seems as it is impossible to use korean characters as name for articles in the swedish wiktionary. I get transfered to a special "illegal page" page when clicking on a red link containing only korean characters. Can you help me? I couldn't help noticing that you are an admin at the korean wikipedia. Do you mind if I ask about your interest in korean? // Wellparp 13:27, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

replied at sv wiktionary. Angela


Angela, could you please give me temporary sysop status here for the Newsletter purpose. Doing the cover, and getting into the design, and uploading pictures, I'd like to erase pages, especially pictures that aren't so good after tested on the pages. See User:Jean-Christophe Chazalette/NLContents and draft covers (which I'm going to put here) at w:fr:Utilisateur:Aurevilly/NLC. Thank you. villy 16:10, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC) aka Aurevilly

Thank you, I'll let you know when I'm done. villy 07:17, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Discussions not up to dateEdit

Hullo Angela. I am curious to know the reason why an addition I made on Sept 6 to the discussion I have started on child protection in the Privacy policy page is not showing up this morning (Sept 10), but it can be found on the history page. It looks as though I am accessing a server with an earlier version only, but if that is the case it does not explain how I can get the History.

PS, I know that you and Jimmy Wales were interviewed by the BBC last week. Do you know when and where it will be broadast? I would like to listen to it when it appears. Will it be Radio 4 or the World service? Kind regards. Apwoolrich 06:10, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Small hintEdit

Angela, just a small hint: I saw you do this several times: when you add an url to a wikixxx mail do not follow with a dot immediately. Like in

See bug 57 at

At least in MSIE the dot becomes part of the link, with a 'page not found' as result. Most people will not realize what happened and just assume the page is no longer online. I had to use <nowiki> for the example, because MediaWiki is smarter than the average mail client and separates url and dot correctly, thus making it a non-example. :) Erik Zachte 17:16, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

Old habits die slowly. This time I am redirected to non existing Wikipedia page :))

Full details on the stats can be found at
But, but... I did it right in this one. You want me to send correct links in every email? Angela

Admin statusEdit

Angela, I'm done with my job on pictures as to now. I have made an official request to get the administrator status on meta. So, you can withdraw my temporary status. Thx. villy 20:01, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Sure. Angela 20:13, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

thanks for removing the status after me. I came today to do it, and went mumbling, fumbling, pesting, that once again, it was not working... till the moment I thought of going to the log :-) Anthere

Oh, I should have told you. Sorry, I was just tidying up. :) Angela 13:32, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Category browser for static WP DistEdit

Just leave away the editor, and get the pages from a local WP source .. this should be quite easy to accomplish. For me this has not such a high priority, but please let me know, if there is need for such a version.

[User:Shannon|]] 19:14, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)


Hi, Angela. Thank you for your treatments on toki pona Wikipedia :) e-Goat 16:18, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Another question of thanksEdit

Thank you Angela and thanks for all who suppported my request. villy 19:20, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

set-user-rights problemEdit

Hi Angela,

I got two requests,

  • Alfiobot@it as bot
  • Renato Caniatti@it desysop

but when I try to do it on Special:Makesysop I always geht an error

"User rights for "Alfiobot@it" could not be set. (Did you enter the name correctly?)"

Does it work for you? Is there a problem with this accounts, with my account, ??

Thanks for your help :-) Fantasy 18:22, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I replied on my page :-) Fantasy 09:25, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Please lock press releasesEdit

I was checking out the history for the One Million Articles release, and luckily noticed how much vandalism was going on. Seriously. I saw "jk" in the article and knew something was up, aside from all the broken codes. In the future (and for this one) please protect press releases. --The Inedible Bulk 21:25, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It seems someone else has already protected it. I agree it would be a good idea for future releases to be protected as well. Angela


Angela, draft contract in now at Wikimedia and Mandrakesoft (draft agreement). I also transferred the talk page. I started an English translation (very bad) on the page and asked for a translation request. The definitive English text is expected from a professional translator paid by MDK. villy 08:14, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Angela 16:19, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Furry WikipediansEdit

I deleted Furry Wikipedians with a comment on 6 Oct 2004, 06:13. The page has been recreated again. Both times, it seems to be from an w:en user, MSTCrow. Maybe you could post a message to him on his w:en user page, before deleting it again here ? I can't see the point of such a page on meta ... Thx. villy 05:48, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It might be best to put it on requests for deletion. They might just keep creating it again otherwise. Angela 01:53, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)


User:Lir wants to know why her user page, account, talk page, histories, and contributions list have all been deleted. She put a lot of time and effort into improving the Wikipedia, and finds it offensive that this has occurred.

Lir's account and user page seem to still be on both en and meta. Can you explain what you mean please? Angela 00:38, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wiki Junior ProjectEdit

We are currently in the process of deciding what the first topics will be. We have already decided that the first humanities topic will be Countries of the World:South America. We need to decide what our first science topic will be. We already have plenty of pictures available for Big Cats, The Solar System and Human Flight. We're having a little vote to decide which one we should work on first. Please come to Wikijunior project first topics. Cheers! Theresa knott 07:42, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Swedish wiktionary (again)Edit

I am very sorry to disturb you with this again. The 15 August Shaihulud promised to convert the Swedish wiktionary to UTF8. We have spoken to him and he told us that he was very busy with his marriage. Isn't there anyone else who can do this conversion? We are getting restless... // Wellparp 21:27, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi. This isn't something I can do. All I can do is request it in #mediawiki the same as everyone else. I've asked, but so far got no positive reaction. Sorry. Angela 00:13, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi Angela. Could you have a look at my question at Requests for logos#Wiktionary? There's been no reaction for 5 days; maybe it's a wrong page to put the question on (but then, Meta is a labyrinth), and the continuation of our local discussion depends on what the Board says. Thanks --tsca 12:43, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Replied at Polish Wiktionary. Angela 13:59, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

subpages etcEdit

Please be careful about breaking subpage links when you move a page (like the former PR department pg). Thanks :) +sj+

Sorry about that. I will be more careful next time. Perhaps the problem should be added to the case against subpages. :) Angela 07:03, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Personal toolbarEdit

"You can overwrite the quickbar with whatever links you want in 1.3 using customised css and javascript pages", you said on [1]. Please: HOW can I do it? IE6 ist displaying the personal toolbar at the left hand side and I really don´t know hwo to edit the main.css of monobook (or any other such file). If you can help, please mail to - gmgK

See user styles for instructions, or see how I've done it at en:User:Angela/monobook.js. Angela

Kiribati WikiEdit

Why do I not receive an answer at Requests for new languages#Kiribati Wikipedia? I want a yes or a no if possible (if no also arguments of course). Greets,
Belgian man 18:18, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think no answer means no objections, so it's up to a developer to implement this. Angela 05:33, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • Because you are not the proposer of this proposal ? (11 Dec 2004)
      • ==> I AM the proposer. The e-mail adress given is mine. It is totally different then "Belgian man". And I am tired of it that you or somebody else put my real name again and again on the page linked above, because it is an encroachment to my privacy. Belgian man 23:48, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
        • Oh ok. I didn't know that you and the writer of the request in mailing-list where the same, and did think that you tried to appropriate the proprosal to yourself. Sorry for the annoyance. It's a settled misunderstanding/fixed issue. (12 Dec 2004)
        • A quick tips : on yours (more than 8) user homepages you can write links to others languages as interwiki in article pages, like this and in text like this (12 Dec 2004)
Oh yes thanks. Belgian man 18:35, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

But I asked something @ Angela... Will there be a Kiribati Wiki or not??? Belgian man 18:35, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Can I just note that the above anon replies were not from me. I see no reason for there not to be a Kiribati Wikipedia. Angela 05:33, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Board meetingEdit

Hi Angela!

Did anything happen at the board meeting?

In the meantime, there is a more to read on the WikiSource saga at:

At we really need somebody competent (i.e. not myself!) to deal with updating the translation of the Php codes. Two other people have already asked that it be done. Has the request been made properly at Requests for permissions#Current requests for permissions?

Dovi 23:42, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by the php codes, but I will make Felagund an admin now. Angela 05:33, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Spam protection filter - www.holocaustforgotten.comEdit

While adding interwiki links to en:Irena Sendler I got the message:

The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to an external site.

See m:Spam blacklist for a full list of blocked sites. If you believe that the spam filter is mistakenly blocking the edit, then please contact an m:Administrator. The following is the section of the page that triggered the filter:

But the the site is not listed on m:Spam blacklist and I'd guess it shouldn't be blacklisted.

Pjacobi 13:25, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

That site doesn't seem to be in the spam blacklist now and I have no problem saving the page. I've no idea what the problem was, sorry. Angela 05:11, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Spam protection filterEdit

Hi Angela. I got the above message for the first time today, more than once. Many of the sites (because of which I got the above message) are not listed on m:Spam blacklist. Some users link to google on votes for deletion page and so, I cannot edit even those pages. Utcursch 13:37, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have the same problem, on en:Viktor Yushchenko page. When I try to save the page, I get a message that and are on m:Spam blacklist, although none of them is listed there (and should not be listed, as those are frequently linked news sites). 13:45, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't know anything about why these problems would occur. I've added both of your comments to Talk:Spam blacklist. If it continues to be a problem, please add it as a bug at MediaZilla:. Angela 05:13, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wondering about 501(c)(3)Edit

Angela, thought I would drop you a line as you are the Board Secretary. I was in contact with Jimbo in the fall and as far as I know he submitted the 1023 form to the IRS after I went over a few things with him. I didn't hear from him so I imagine he has the situation under control. I have been super swamped with my law practice and have only been now or then logging onto Wikipedia, (the development of Wikimedia has been truly amazing this last year) but am still interested in helping any way practicable. Sorry I missed you folks when you were all in NYC a few weeks ago, just found out about it today. Yours, en:user:Alex756

Hi Alex. Nice to hear from you again. All I know is that the forms have all been submitted, and we should have the 501(c)3 status confirmed by the end of March. Sorry to have missed you in New York. Angela 20:08, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Spam protection filter - www.nyc10044.comEdit

Hi Angela, editing is currently blocked from en:Roosevelt Island because of a link to, the website of a community newspaper and clearly not a spam site. Can you please remove this unnecessary block so the article can be improved? Thanks.--Pharos 01:48, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I've no idea why this is happening. doesn't seem to be in the spam blacklist. Angela 02:38, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Võro language VikipeediäEdit

Hi Angela, I'm a user of Estonian (Võrok) and English Wiki (Võrolang). I'm a native speaker, researcher and activist of Võro language spoken in Estonia. Võro language (native name Võro or Võro kiil´) has about 70.000 speakers mostly in southern Estonia. Language codes (not yet official) are Vro and Vr. See more about Võro in English Wikipedia article "Võro language". I'd like to begin with Võro language Wikipedia but the procedure of creating a new language Wiki seems to me too hard and complicated. I can easily translate Estonian language file to Võro and begin slowly with creation of new articles. But some skilled Wiki developer should help me to be started (permission from central Wiki etc). Estonian Wiki's developer Andres said I should contact you. Maybe you can help me. Best regards, Võrolang -- 11:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The best place to start is to send an email to the foundation-l mailing list. However, since there are very few speakers of this language, be prepared for objections to be raised. Do you think the number of potential editors in Võro would ever be large enough to create a Wikipedia? Have you considered working on Wiktionary as an alternative? Angela 12:10, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, Angela. How can I send an email to the list if I am not a member of the list (there is a notion, that post from non-members can be delayed). Must I really become a member? I also don't know to which list one must send the mail (there is said that there is number of lists). Estonian administrator Andres said me he never was succeeded to send something to the list. Can YOU send the email about Võro to this list (you know the best how and to which list)? You can ask me any questions about Võro. I think Võro language community needs more their own Wikipedia than Wictionary. Võro speakers are quite active and computerized people. I'm sure the number of potential editors in Võro is not smaller than the Kashoub, Cornish, Gaelic or Saami's or many other small languages' one. Võrok -- 13:39, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
If you want to be involved in the discussion, you really need to be on the foundation-l mailing list. You can subscribe here, then send an email to Otherwise, you could just list the language at Requests for new languages, but without discussion first, it's possible that nothing will happen. Is there anyone other than yourself who wants to edit a Võro Wikipedia? Angela 05:30, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Hello, Angela! Yes, there are other people too who wants to edit Võro Wikipedia. I wrote to the foundation-l list some days ago, but no reaction was followed. Nobody answered me. I also added a request of starting Võro Wikipedia to the requests' page. An Estonian Wikipedia developer Andres sayd I should write to the Wikipedia-l list. What do you think, should I write to the Wikipedia-l list and what I must do next? --Võrok 15:10, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've forwarded the message to Wikipedia-l for you. Perhaps there will be some response on that list. Angela 19:31, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, Angela! If it's impossible to create real Wikipedia in Võro in near future then please move the Võro TestWikipedia as soon as possible to an other location (Wikicities?) if you can do it! Because I am afraid to continue creating new articles in Võro when Võro Test Wiki remains in MetaWiki, it seems too unsafe.


Wikipediyaa ci Wolof - Wikipedia in wolofEdit

Hello Angela,

I’m writing you from Dakar, Senegal (West Africa). We have initiated the integration of some African languages to the Internet...

Could you help us ? We need to install the logo for the Wikipedia in wolof (a national language of Senegal and the Gambia).

We have chosen the following name : Wikipediyaa (with respect to wolof phonetics) With the subtitle: Booloo-bokk géeju xam-xam (where 'géeju' means 'ocean', and with 'xam xam' denotes an 'ocean of knowledge'...) If the title is too long feel free to separate it into two lines, dividing after 'booloo-bokk'.

Thanks a lot !

Yannick Duchesne

If you upload the logo to w:wo:Image:Wiki.png, it should work as far as I know. Angela 19:31, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Could you...Edit

Hi. I was adding this internal link Fernão Lopez to the Saint Helena article under the See Also heading when it told me that there was a spam protection filter. Thanks for youfr help. User:Moogle 06:00, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC) p.s. Sorry, those were at

I've removed the link from the page, so you should be able to save your changes there now. Angela 20:37, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

User administrative functionsEdit

Dear Angela,

I have installed MediaWiki for my use in Vietnamese HERE (v1.3.10). So far so good, except that I could not find those functions that:

  1. Permanently deleting a user (there is a block IP though)
  2. De-adminship a sysop or a buraucrat: keep that user but taking away sysop or buraucrat privilege

Please help!!! Thanks in advance. Ngungo 14:56, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

See Account deletion. You can't really delete a user without causing problems since the page histories will link to their user name, and then be inaccurate if someone else makes an account with that name. However, if you really need to, you'd need write access to the SQL database and could run a query which deletes the user from the user tables.
To de-admin someone, you will need to run a query on the user table to set this directly. If it's something you're likely to do a lot, it will be easier to make one user have a "developer" flag on their user account (again, you need to do this in the database). They can then desysop users by blanking the "rights" field at Special:Makesysop. Angela 15:44, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks a whole bunch.

Hi Angela,

I have a right to edit but I don't know what value to put over there at user_rights. It does not even show and warns that do not edit. Please advise ... Ngungo 02:39, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi, try changing the field value without using the database frontend - the command would be "UPDATE user set user_rights='sysop' where user_id=<your user ID number>". phpMyAdmin should also allow you to enter SQL commands directly.--Eloquence 04:12, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi, what did I do wrong? Further more what if I wish to set it to developer level? Would it be "UPDATE user SET user_rights='developer' WHERE user_id=1"? Ngungo 17:21, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I don't think this is right if you're using MediaWiki 1.4. The user rights table is now separate from the user table. You need something like this, but I don't know the exact syntax:
REPLACE INTO `user_rights` (ur_user,ur_rights) VALUES ('1','sysop,bureaucrat,developer')
Being a developer alone won't work - you need to give the user sysop,bureaucrat, and developer access. Angela 18:03, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I use REPLACE INTO `user_rights` VALUES ('1','sysop,bureaucrat,developer') and it works fine. Thanks! Now, user_id=1 is sysop (in my case). I logged in to my MediaWiki to try it out to see if it would give sysop ability to change other user's user_rights. Guess what!!! It worked 1 time beautifully. Subsequent tries it keeps saying "wrong user name". It may be a bug then. (I tried it in v1.4beta6). Regards, Ngungo 18:38, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I just tried it again, and it works now. I don't understand. It's probably internet connection then. Sorry ... Ngungo 18:43, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"Wrong user name" will usually be if the user does not exist yet, or if they have certain characters in their name. If you're sure they exist and it still happens, try typing something like #5 into Special:Makesysop (where 5 is their user ID) instead of their username. Angela 22:06, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Great tips. Thanks, Ngungo 17:13, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi Angela,

I'm trying to change the rights of one of the users on my wiki and I don't get to do it by executing commands on the database. I took the commands I used from here (I use MediaWiki 1.4.): REPLACE INTO `user_rights` VALUES ('1','sysop,bureaucrat,developer') and I also tried with: UPDATE user_rights SET ur_rights="sysop,bureaucrat,developer" WHERE ur_user=1; Everytime the database says that it was replaced successfully, but nothing changes on the user rights when I log in on my wiki!

There's no bureaucrats on the wiki: if I go to the special page User list, there's no user when I choose group-bureaucrat-name. I guess I didn't do it right during the installation. And what does "That site is timing out" mean ? Aida 09:04, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Post by batchEdit

Supposed I have a text file that contains a lot of titles and appropriate text bodies consecutively, is there way to post them by batch? Ngungo 22:49, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It should be possible for a bot to do such a thing, but I don't personally know very much about that. The Pywikipediabot mailing list might be a good place to ask about this. Angela 22:54, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I looked over the Pywikipediabot but did not get much result out of it. I tried to subcribe to mailing list, it seems the email address no longer exists. Do you know anyone (like you) would know about this so I can have a directly contact. Ngungo 14:16, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Try nl:Gebruiker:Andre Engels. He would know about the pywikipediabot. Angela 19:06, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I haven't any luck on contacting Andre. Well, I'll call on him again. Ngungo 19:26, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hi Angela. Sorry did you get my e-mail? If the address I mailed is active I'll pass it on to the person mentioned in my e-mail. Or where you not interested? --cfp 14:30, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes. I just replied. Angela 21:21, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I hit submit twice, and my second submit restored something you had archived. I have no idea why it just did that without displaying the conflict page. I tried to fix it, but you beat me to it. Sorry about that. —AlanBarrett 21:20, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

No problem. This sometimes happens with section editing.  :) Angela 21:23, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: BotEdit

Thank you for the bot flag. Sometimes I think you are the only active Steward! Thx again.. -- MichaelDiederich 09:00, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Read the content of a postEdit

Hi Angela! Supposed I have posted a page named "MyPost", how do I read the contents (text) of that post into a JavaScript string variable? Something like:

var myPost = readFromDatabase('MyPost');

Would you please give me a hint or direct me to where, whom I can get an answer. Thanks, Ngungo 20:34, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't know. Do you use IRC? It might be easiest to ask in #mediawiki. If not, there is a mediawiki mailing list at mediawiki-l. Angela 20:50, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've tried IRC, somehow it was too complicated for me :( I then tried mediawiki-1 again, it works this time but I have not asked anything yet, waiting to see how thing goes, you know. Meanwhile I browsed through database.php, Article.php and found it. Thanks for your help though. Ngungo 22:33, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Problem with bots on Slovenian WikipediaEdit

Hi! We're having problems with two bots Zwobot and Head on Slovenian WIkipedia. Problem is that they aren't flaged as bots and they are filling our Recent changes page (we have already set to hide the bot's edits). Could you please fix this problem? TIA; --Klemen Kocjancic 20:47, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've done Zwobot, but Head is a user, not just a bot. It would be best to ask him to use a separate account for bot edits. Angela 21:33, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, he's now using just Zwobot as bot. We'll see it this will do the trick. Thanks for your quick reply. Regards, --Klemen Kocjancic 21:38, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi again. Could you also flag these bots:

This is done now, and recorded at Requests for permissions/Archive1. Angela

About Friulian WikiEdit

I've tried to understand how Requesting for permissions works, but I wasn't able. What I need are two things: -the activation of interwikis on Friulian wiki (fur) -if possible, to be promoted admin there thanks in advance for your help --Klenje 19:14, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Replied at fur:User talk:Klenje. Angela 23:56, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What are wikis good for?Edit

Hi Angela, on Talk:Proposals for new projects you often write that a wiki is not appropriate for a particular project. Do you know of any pages that discuss what wikis are good for? It would be nice to have this as a resource linked to from the Proposals for new projects and New project policy pages. For what its worth, I understand that wikis are good for:

  1. Collaborative editing, particularly for gathering information
  2. Cross-linking to other articles in the same database

Thanks. AdamRetchless 01:42, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'd say wikis should only be used for collaborative editing. Cross linking database articles that otherwise don't need editing needs something else that lets you only add links, not something that lets you edit an entire page. One thing people often want to use them for is creating structured data, or for discussions. Neither of these are what MediaWiki was designed for. Wikidata and LiquidThreads could change that, but until then, a wiki is going to be less useful than a database or a forum. See also Wikicities:Uses of a wiki. Angela 15:17, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Gentle reminderEdit

<nudge, nudge> Remember to check out Requests for new languages TUF-KAT 00:16, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I can't make new wikis. You need to ask a developer to look at it. I proposed a policy at policy for wikis in new languages but until there is definite support for it, I don't see how I can be involved in the requests for new languages process. Until there is a policy, the creation of new wikis is basically up to whatever a developer feels like creating. Angela 00:53, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hello!! I remember you well when I made my first article as an anonymous, the Sinanju article which was speedy deleted and you restored. In those days dynasaurs ruled the earth and you had to chip out your edits int the rock wikipedia . Just kidding. Thanks also for help with Broadcom.

Would you help me out in the Spanish Wikipedia? I will ofcourse make my requests there and appropriate people, but am writing you as part of my complaint.

Dodo is an administrator in the Spanish wikipedia and is doing unilateral deletes and edits.

Please look at this [2](second time already) . He says that this is a prayer and articles have to be neutral (non -religious) . ( no deben contener "Propaganda o proselitismos de ningún tipo". I'm not proselytizing just giving a language sample, the Our father in Chavacano.) Unilateral delete:[3] . No reason given , but a notice that I used an autotranslator. Still that is no reason to unilaterally delete the article. It is hard to believe that the Spanish of Lupang Hinirang is that horrible. In the articles of Jose Rizal, Corazon Aquino, Ferdinand Marcos, he keeps removing the [Categoría: Gente de las Filipinas]. He wants all categories to fit into his. There is only one category available writers(ecritores).

I will be communicating with 'Ambassador' JorgeGG and asking the Spanish wikipedia. I can't seem to locate the RFC. I'll just go to the administrators or Cafe(the Village Pump equivalent.)

Thanks anyway.--Jondel 01:21, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

replied at User talk:Jondel

Two mails about bureaucratship on na:Edit

I've send you a mail about bureaucratship on na:, and a mail where I asked why you don't answer. You haven't answered yet... So I want simply know why I cannot be a bureaucrat on na:. See my request on Requests for permissions/Archive1... Belgian man 15:27, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You are a bureaucrat at na:. If there's a problem, can you please say what it is at Requests for permissions (rather than in the archive page since that isn't usually checked). If you need to email me, using the Emailuser feature is the best way not to end up in my spam filter. Angela


How can I change the name of a namespace? I want to change the project namespace of the Hebrew language Wikiquote from ויקיפדיה (that means Wikipedia) to ויקיציטוט, the proper project namespace. I tried the irq chat several times, and sent a bugzilla bug report, but none of those efforts succeeded.

You can request this in MediaZilla:. Angela

Bot accountEdit

Hello Angela! Yesterday you have turned User:Bgbot@bgwiktionary into a bot (as I asked) and the page wikt:bg:Special:Listusers says me that it's a bot - Bgbot (bot). However its edits are not hidden in wikt:bg:Special:Recentchanges. They aren't hidden also in I have no clue why they aren't. --Borislav 10:56, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this didn't work. I've just tried setting it again. Have you tried making the bot log out and then back in to see if this makes any difference? Angela 04:20, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

please add back to the spam blacklistEdit

Not long after you removed it, en:PHP got hit again.

There is no other way to control the Russian spambot other than to block all of its top-level domains.

At least you should have left .*-.*\.spb\.su

-- Curps 23:34, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've re-added it. Angela 23:51, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

interlanguage links for "List of articles all languages should have"Edit

We our qualified to receive taxEdit

  • salut, angela ; [here], you wrote We our qualified to receive tax.... my brain was burning ;D i guessed it should be We are qualified to receive tax.... i have made the change. have a look ;D Alvaro 23:00, 2005 Apr 17 (UTC)
    • Thanks for fixing it. :) Angela 01:25, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Where to make suggestions?Edit

Hi Angela. Simple question: If I have this brilliant idea (from my point of view), how do I make the suggestion public on MediaWiki? Simply create a new page and link it to some categories that are related to it?

The suggestion itself: Have an option for Administrators to allow anonymous editing, but disallow anonymous users from posting external links. This, in my point of view, offers the benefit of allowing anonymous users to edit pages and add information, but should deal a massive blow to the spammers. I'd appreciate if you could talkback at [talk:Kander my discussion page on the Wiki in question]. Thank you for your time!

replied at the fastmail wiki. Angela 01:25, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)


I thought this might be an innocuous place to slip a note. I'm quite new here, 5 days, yet I can already see such great possibilities for this operating system as a free knowledge base, in the largest common language for translation, ambassadorship, and diplomacy. I hold that it has the power to greatly reduce confusion between most any party. Be that culture, language, and even ideology. I'm quite a fan. My interest: Thinking and positive output. I am advancing a Wikithink (corny?) tank forum with a great fantasy; A feedback loop from/to the knowledge base. Also, if I could be useful in the Embassy, please let me know. Erin 14:15, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You can just add you name at Wikimedia Embassy to be involved. Angela 01:25, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, and take care. Erin

Problem with Ben BrockertEdit

I am having a problem with Ben Brockert, an admin on this website. I can't seem to find a "complaint form" or some other place where this sort of note should go, so I am posting it here after 30 minutes of hunting for a proper place.

He continues to place defamatory remarks and personal information about me on this page:

When I remove the comments, he reverts them. He's also called my website "Crap" on that page, which I think is somewhat unbecoming behaviour for an administrator on a site like this.

I'd like my personal details to stay OFF this page please. If you need to contact me, you may do so at

avwikipedia at uer dot ca

Thanks for your time.

For problems on the English Wikipedia, it's best to stay there rather than try to find help for it at Meta. See en:Wikipedia:Dispute resolution for the best places to start. Just discussing the problem on his talk page at en:User talk:Brockert might help. Angela 11:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ben already knows that I do not approve of what he is doing, and he continues to ignore my rights to privacy. He continues to replace the comments without justification. So I don't think trying to be nice to him will work, since I've already tried that, and it's not working. Can you please warn him to stop, or something? I really have no power to do something like that here. -av apr 27 8am EST
It would be easier for people to communicate with you if you logged in. I've emailed Ben about this. Angela 22:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ben Brockert continues to post irrelevant and private information on a public site without my permission, and has now begun posting copyrighted images without permission. I've removed the images and content, but Ben will most likely return them. Please be aware that I will file legal actions if the information and copyrighted images are returned to the Wikipedia. I recommend that Ben's administrative access be given a serious examination. - Avatar-X
Which images are copyright violations? Have you listed them for deletion anywhere? Angela 01:24, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In the current version of the page, I've removed the image. However if you look at the page one edit before, you'll see an image (avwuff-bybushycat.jpg) which was stolen from my UER.CA profile and illegally uploaded by Ben Brockert to the Wikipedia. He knew what he was doing -- there is no question about it. He had to have downloaded the JPG file from my site, then re-uploaded it here into the Wiki, and posted it into that site. - Avatar-X
You can list this at en:Wikipedia:Copyright problems or en:Wikipedia:Request for immediate removal of copyright violation, but Ben is claiming it is fair use. Angela 01:43, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Since when is uploading someone else's artwork and photos hosted on their own server, to a different site that is unrelated, without permission, considered "Fair use"? It's is a blatant violation of copyright. There is no question about it.


Can you pse set the Bot Flat. There are a lot Backlinks missing in en-wiki. thanks de:Benutzer:FlaBot 13:07, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ok, this should be done now. Angela 15:09, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Can you pse set my BotFlat aktive for af,de,he and perhaps en. Problems solve here. --FlaBot 14:40, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've moved this request to Requests for permissions#Requests for Bot status. Angela 13:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Problem on WikinewsEdit

I think we have an urgent need to desysop, at least temporarily, myself and another admin. - n:en:User:Amgine

Interwiki not updated for long periodEdit

Does anyone know why Interwiki map not updated to ? Last update was on Dec-1, 2004, there's something should be done. --Yxtiger 20:03, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Interwiki map is for the Wikimedia projects. I'm not sure all of those should be in the default MediaWiki set up. You could suggest it in MediaZilla: if you feel they should, but anyone installing MediaWiki can just create their own Interwiki map. Angela 03:56, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for pointing it out. :) Angela 03:56, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


Thank you Angela for making bot status so quickly. I will be patient for the en: wikipedia. Ellywa 21:12, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

thanks too Liso 07:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

vfd on meta?Edit

I don't how to get this page (WLF) deleted, but I assume you're an admin in meta. I've deleted all references to this "proposal". Thanks a lot, Zanimum.

The previous link was likely by JIrate, who ArbCom banned, but this is definitely by him (Association of Structurist Wikipedians), and I'd advise sweeping this off the site too. Thanks for everything, Zanimum.
VfD is at Meta:Requests for deletion. The template is {{rfd}}. I've listed WLF there now. Angela 00:14, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Serbocroatian WikipediaEdit

Please see Requests for new languages and add yor comment. Thank you. --Pokrajac 00:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

I've replied there. Angela 00:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
See my answer there. --Pokrajac 12:09, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
OK, when Jimbo answer, tell me that on my sr. talk page. --Pokrajac 13:24, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Sockpuppets on sr:Edit

It seems that we have two or three of them. I am trying to find where to ask are they or not sockpuppets, but I didn't find yes. I even forgot who is the person to ask (User:David Gerard?). Users are sr:Корисник:Мелкор sr:Корисник:Гелкор and sr:Корисник:Правкор; also it would be good idea to check the relation of sr:Корисник:КЦП with them (but I am sure that the idea about last one is just paranoia). The problem is that the first three of them voted for new name of our vilage pump; all three users registered in one day (June 1st); all of them have the names from Tolkien world; but sr:Корисник:Мелкор denies that (s)he has any relation with other two. Relevant information is, also, do they live in the same city (possible, Belgrade), not only do they use the same provider (there are special lines that can be used by any annonymous person). Thanks in advance. --Millosh 00:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) Not important anymore. (Sockpuppets didn't do anything else.) --Millosh 05:01, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad the problem is over. If it happens again, it's best to ask a developer to check for sockpuppets, since I don't have access to that sort of information. Angela

Yes, I intended to put them into the commons. Can you help me to delete them all? Thx. -- Tomchiukc 07:48, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I'll delete them. Angela


Es muy grato tener una hermosa stewart.A Vos me refiero Angela ¿stewart?...aunque soy muy republicano te considero Queen. José-El-Argentino.

Thanks! :) Angela


Thanks! --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 01:38, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


You're welcome. I was working through images for the Quarto, and figured you could use a thousand words of cheer. +sj | Translate the Quarto |+ 21:54, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)


You're welcome, it was about time somebody cares :) villy 05:55, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Book burnerEdit

You are a vandal. No where do I report your for abusing you position.--JIrate 11:40, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Translation of statementEdit

Hi, thanks for your message at my page. I would like to ask you a tiny little question: In Spanish your name is written with an accent: Ánglela. Would you prefer that I keep your name without the accent in Spanish translations (your statement, Quarto, etc., not in your user name, of course) or would you adopt the Spanish orthography of your name. Cheers. Ascánder 14:47, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Interwiki link on shEdit

Hi, I almost finished Main pages on sh Wikipedia. You can go there an see it. I was wondering why sh Wikipedia does not have Interwiki name. I read on this page that sh Wikipedia whit tlh dont have interwiki. Can you, or someone else, fix this problem? Serbo-Croatian is Srpskohrvatski on Latin or Српскохрватски Cyrillic. I suppose that name Srpskohrvatski/Српскохрватски is to long. Can you put Srpskoхрватски or Српскоhrvatski? Thank you. --Pokrajac 15:15, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please, can you rename sh interwiki link in to 'Srpskoхрватски'? --Pokrajac 18:54, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It does seem to have one. It is not meant to work from meta, or from sh itself, but from other wikis it shows up as "Српскохрватски (Srbskohrvatski)". Angela 00:05, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it does seem to have, but this (Српскохрватски (Srbskohrvatski)) wrighting is not correct. It is not Srbskohrvatski, it is Srpskohrvatski. Cyrillic is not primar. Cyrillic and Latin are equal. So, please rename current Српскохрватски (Srbskohrvatski) into Srpskohrvatski/Српскохрватски (just like for Serbian Wikipedia), or if this is to long into Srpskoхрватски. This is wery important. Yhank you. --Pokrajac 00:13, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've asked for this to be done at bug 2531 and it is apparentyly working in rel 1.4 and head. Angela 15:59, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Two notes about that. If we are trying to write "srpskoхрватски" as interwiki link, then it should be with small letter at the beginning (as well as for Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian). All language standards writes attribute with starting small letter, even it is not implemented yet! I.e., if you are looking for encyclopedic definition of Serbian language in Serbian encyclopedia, you would find definition with starting small letter (if it is not treated as the beginning of the sentece). --Millosh 14:45, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

However, I think that it should be better to put linguistic, not national name. I think that better name should be "štokavski/штокавски". SC language is formally dead language (there are no supporting political structures), like Latin is dead but Romance language are not (of course, there are no 2000 years of different history, there are only 15 years). And if we are working on such project, we can say what is regular and what is not. (In general, all SC, S, C and B standards should be regular.) So, it is not specific standard language (written according to the SC standard from 1960), but it is a group of standards. Also, I don't think that Bosniaks would like to call their language with Serbian and Croatian name and without Bosniak or Bosnian name. And one more "argument": "Shtokavian" starts with "sh" in English, so two letters ISO code is completely OK :) --Millosh

One more important thing: Complete correct name of the SC language in SC is "srpskohrvatski, hrvatskosrpski, hrvatski ili srpski, srpski ili hrvatski" (in Latin and Cyrillic). Serbian variant was "srpskohrvatski" and Croatian was "hrvatski ili srpski". For fully correct name, it should be written in both other variants. --Millosh 14:48, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It would be best to put this in the bug report, since it isn't something I can change myself. Angela 02:42, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Simple WiktionaryEdit

I noticed you've nominated the Simple Wiktionary for locking, with one of the reasons being "no reason to exist ever". I was wondering if you could elaborate on that?

I personally agree with the statement on the SW talk page, "I would think that a Simple English Wiktionary could serve the same purpose as a learner's dictionary of English." I'm interested in generating support and actively contributing, however, I couldn't locate an (active) discussion page, so I thought here would be the best place to start.

Thanks! ScribeOfTheNile 04:56, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)

replied at simple:wikt:User talk:ScribeOfTheNile. Angela 06:53, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Problems on Urban Exploration:Talk PageEdit

Various people, including Ben Brockert, continue to post details about my personal life to this page:

I am still unclear who I need to speak to on this website, but let me make this very clear: I do not want ANY personal details about myself to appear ANYWHERE on this site, be it on an article page, a talk page, or any history page. I would like these details to be removed immediatly from all current and past pages. This site does not have the permission to post details about my personal life nor any of my copyrighted works, and I will not allow it to happen.

Please inform me when the unwanted details have been removed.

- Avatar-X

Please read my earlier reply on this page. You need to go through the dispute resolution process| if you feel there is an ongoing problem with this user. However, since Ben hasn't edited in almost a month, I don't think you can continue to regard him as the problem here. If the page content itself is the issue, you can request protection of it until the dispute is resolved. For copyright issues, please see my earlier response. This is really an issue for the English Wikipedia, not for Meta. Angela 07:15, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)


Hi Angela,

Thank you for your quick response to my query on the Membership FAQ page. I appreciate it.


Acegikmo1 05:50, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

SH Wikipedia system messagesEdit

Hallo Angela. Can you tell me why sometimes sysetm messages are translated, but somestames they are not? I translated most important messages here but now interface is not on Serbocroatian. Can you tell me why, and what I shall do? Thank you, --Pokrajac 22:00, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

This is also happening on es and lb. I've reported it at bugzilla:683#c5. Angela 7 July 2005 04:18 (UTC)

To AngelaEdit

Keep improving Wiki*! We all love you, Angela.

Need helpEdit

Are you a person that can tell me how to start a new Wikipedia in Zlatiborian language? George D. Bozovic

The page on Zlatiborian language has been redirected to Serbian. The old page said the two were almost identical. Is there a reason you can not work on the existing wikis at sr: or sh:? Angela 06:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations :-)Edit

We are all very lucky to have you on board. Thank you for your continued devotion[s]. +sj | Translate the Quarto |+ 07:33, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of which, perhaps you could coordinate a few joint words with Ant for Wikimania... see her talk page. +sj+

¡Muy Bien! (-:Edit

Así que vos Angela eras candidata,...¡MUY BIEN!, y mucho mejor que seas elegida,...(me gustás en la foto, y suelo ser un tipo a quien le gustan las personas inteligentes o buenas, en muchas ocasiones tales virtudes quedan denotadas en la foto), ya te lo dije: más que stewart merecés ser Queen.

El Gaucho José, desde Argentina.

Adding structured data to wiki pagesEdit

I'm starting a wiki project to help people do genealogical research: wiki's to hold content about historical places, genealogical resources, and variant name spellings. To support the project I'm modifying the mediawiki software to optionally handle displaying and editing structured data as part of a wiki page. See You're welcome to the modifications if you think they would be useful for GlobalFamilyTree. And of course I'm interested in any comments you have. -- Dallan 20 July 2005

I don't have any involvement in the family tree proposal so it might be best to mention it at Talk:GlobalFamilyTree or to speak to Eloquence since he is working on structured data for Ultimate Wiktionary (see Wikidata). Angela 23:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Moldovan WikipediaEdit

Hello Angela,

I found your name on How to start a new Wikipedia#Getting help, and, since you're "in the loop", I'd like to ask if you know who authorized creating the Moldovan Wikipedia (URL in Cyrillc, as long as Moldovan (whose very existence is disputed) is written in Latin characters, according to all official standards. I'd like to contact that person and ask them the same question, but I first need to identify that person. :-)

Thank you, Gutza 14:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone authorized that or whether it was a community decision to do this. Is there any community there that you could ask? If not, you could try discussing the issue on the foundation-l mailing list. Angela
Moldovan language does not exist. The country was part of Romania ~60 years ago and people were speaking Romanian until the moldavian land was splited in two: one half is still part of Romania the other part was part of URSS for years. Now there are a lot of people who came in the east part from Rusia/Siberia and many romanians were deported to Siberia. The people who came do not speak Romanian well but maybe russian. This does not mean there is a new language created in the past 15 years. Of course, moldavian people use some special tenses of romanian, but so do the moldavian people on the part that is still in Romania. If you want to know why there are Cyrillc caracters: there are almost half of the people that are from Russia-Ucraina now, and they speak cyrillis. Also many schools say their official language is moldavian in order not to speak about the romanian language. This way they can use the russian language since nobody knows what the moldavian language is all about. As a result i sugest merging the moldavian wikipedia with both romanian and russian wikipedias depending on what language each person speaks. If not, why not split the english wikipedia into two pages: one in "the american language" and the other in "the british language", or even in the scotish language. (moa3333, native romanian speacker living in France)

There is... sort of a community now, I expect, but as far as I know, it formed after the Moldovan Wikipedia was created. I'll ask on the mailing list, thank you for the suggestion! --Gutza 09:55, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Project name in localEdit

Excuse me to bother here, I'm not sure where to ask the question.

As all Wikimedia project names are being written in local languages. I doubt whether the name should be translated, describe the meaning, or be transliterated, showing pronunciation? -- PaePae 08:22, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I think this varies between projects, but please note that only the English version is currently trademarked, and that the URL will always be Wikipedia rather than a translation or transliteration, since it would not be scalable to buy domains for every language version, so whichever name you choose, the actual trademarked name should be clear as well. Angela 21:14, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


Folowing this discussion. Thank you for being intrested in this project.

The main reason people did not get intrested is maybe because it was too complicated, and maybe also this verssion of mediawiki is not as good for this kind of project. I think it is good to have a wikicity only if it is possible to move it to mediawiki when it becomes a biger project. It should be bad to keep it on wikicities if it gets bigger for the folowing reaon: it is supposed to be a starting point when somebody wants to find a web page or something else on the internet.

This means that people who answer the question: "How do i find things on the internet?" by "You go to google. Then to google groups or if you search for software. You can also go to wikipedia by the way, and if you don't find there you can etc....".

People should answer by "You first go to wikisolutions and then you will find there what you want or other places where you can go ans search". This means wikisolutions is a starting point for a research. If the solution is there, especialy for things people search most of the time, then its ok, if not, wikisolutions has some pages "How to find free software?" and even "How to find solutions in general?" that will guide the people who did not found the solution on wikisolutions into some other places like google, etc.

I think that Wikisolutions is mostly a place where peple find web pages or anythink that people usualy search for on google. This will work for usual researches, even for more special ones, and for very rare solutions people will get redirected to google, etc in order to continue the research.

I looked at howto for example and they are not the same. Wikisolutions is more "where about?" or "how to find?", and does not care much about "how to...". Then again, Wikisolutions may seem the same as other projects like, for example, software ot pc. This is normal. I dont want Wikisolutions to replace or compete with this two projects. I want it to be a place where people can find (also) about this two projects (but not only about them). This means it will regroup (or federate) many web pages so that people can find them. I want people to say "If you search somethink on the internet you go first to wikisolutions, then you will be redirected to more specialised web sites or directly to your solutions if possible, if not to other places where you can continue the research".

All other comments i did on the about page are only about how to make Wikisolutions be a starting point for a research. (i was not sure from the begining what is the goal...)

If Wikisolutions has a wiki of its own, i think two things are important:

  • make everything as simple as possible. Make implicit wikiGuidelines, and not complex rules. (this is required because mediawiki was not done for this kind of project at first). Think about a sinmple way that will help people navigate to the solution (are categories the best way?)
  • eventualy change the name. I dont know if Wikisearch is good enaught. Or "WikiWebStart" or "WikiStartingPoint"

What is bad is that i dont have much time to work on it from now on. And i want more feedback to see what other people think about it. moa3333

I think it is good to have a wikicity only if it is possible to move it to mediawiki when it becomes a biger project.

Wikicities is on MediaWiki already. Are you maybe confusing MediaWiki with Wikimedia? (see names).
I think this is already covered by existing projects, like howto or WikiHow.
Calling it "Wikisearch" is going to get it confused with either a wiki search engine or my blog.
Angela 05:13, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

The relocation has succeded. Old pages from Wikibooks can be deleted now. Now the old Wikisolutions is known as the HowTo project and as of 6 September 2005 it has ~123 HowTos, 272 pages including all, and with more than 1000 edits (counting edits from the old Wikisolutions too). Most of the work is related to Free Software for now. (moa3333, 03:04, 6 September 2005 (UTC))

Special PagesEdit

Thank you for answering my question about adding links to the sidebar. I have a similar question on how to add pages to the special pages, like Wikipedia has with it's Wikimedia board of trustees link. Thank You very much, Shardsofmetal 17:20, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

See Writing a new special page. Angela

Spam protection filterEdit

Hi, I was working on a list of articles my bot added tags to be checked. When I tried to remove the tags, I received the following error on w:Nahuatl language:

The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to an external site.

See m:Spam blacklist for a full list of blocked sites. If you believe that the spam filter is mistakenly blocking the edit,
 then please contact an m:Administrator. The following is the section of the page that triggered the filter:

The following text is what triggered our spam filter: http:// www . jukatan . host . sk

(Note, url broken up to not trigger spam filter)

I did not add this site originally, and checked out the site. I am not sure why it is now blocked. Not that it matters, I just need to remove a check tag. I was not sure which admin to ask, so please direct this to another if you do not handle such matters. Thank you. Who?¿? 23:34, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I've removed the link from the article. It didn't seem relevant. If it happens again, you can report it at talk:spam blacklist. Angela

Human Rights Servey on Wikipedia (The final post of I_sterbinski)Edit

Dear all,
Wikipedia was recently a subject of intensive research of an huge international human right organization. A team of people from different nationalities and ages were acting on Wikipedia for 20 days, investigating previously noted anomalities of Wikipedia free editing and forming a final report, which (between the others similar reports) will later be a guide to all future moves of the organization concerning Wikipedia. Acting under an account of a real person, their privacy is to be held private. Therefore, very few private information will be revealed.
Also, this is a result of the lack of final possition of the organization concerning Wikipedia and human rights, which was still not formed.
The team's final post on Wikipedia, where they explain their actions can be found on the following addresses:
The team would like to thank to all the persons who took part in the correspondence with us.
We also want to appologise for keeping our identity secret for a longer period.
Best regards,
Aleksandar, Biljana, Asparuh, Christos, Valjon, Michael and Ana Luiza 00:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


Hello Angela,
When a new lng Wikimedia project is created, it gets the localised namespace, like "Wikipedia → Vikipedija". Now, for a developer to change the English name to the local version, a confirmation from a board member is needed (I got to know it from brion). I seek such confrmation from you (don't know these new procedures though, so I'm starting on your talk page).
In the newly created we want to change "Wikisource" into "Wikiźródła", which is a direct translation into Polish (en: source → pl: źródło). It is exacly what we did long time ago on other projects (Wiktionary → Wikisłownik, Wikiquote → Wikicytaty).
If you can confirm it, please either say it to brion or write it on the talk page of
If you need further information, please contact me on my talk page here or on irc ("tsca"). Thank you, tsca 13:36, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I've emailed the rest of the board about this before and had no response whatsoever. I've suggested to Brion that he just makes these pending objections from them. I've added it to the Board agenda for September 18. Angela

Asking for SupportEdit

Hello Angela ... I have to thank you for ur response to my message on the English Wikipedia , the Bot has transferred all arabic Pages to the arabic Domain . I need now your support for my Buroeacrat request for Arabic Wikisource and WikiBooks Projects , that would be so kind from since there is no Burocreat there till now ..Best Regards --Chaos 18:39, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I think Yann is handling making bureaucrats since he is active on Wikisource and is a steward. You just need to list yourself at Language domain requests. It isn't really a vote, so I don't think I need to add my support. Angela

Interlingue WikipediaEdit

Hello Angela!

I would like to know how can I become an administrator of the Interlingue Wikipedia. It seems that current administrators have abandoned this wikipedia and I would like to continue translating the system messages.

Thanks! Daiken 16:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

You can apply at requests for permissions. That page has details on the steps you need to take. Angela

new WikipediasEdit

Hi Angela!

I am not sure if you're the right person to talk to but your postings at Wikipedia-L have always been quite helpful ... Well, I noticed that no new Wikipedias have been created for more than two months even though requests are really piling up now. Some of them seem to be pretty well-qualified (support of several native speakers, no or very few objections by the community, productive test wikis). Maybe I should add that I have no personal interest in any of those requests. I just see that there quite a few people willing to contribute in their native languages but can't because they don`t have a Wikipedia.

I am well aware that developer time is scarce and precious. Would it possible to set some of that time aside for the creation of a couple of new wikis sometime in the next weeks? Arbeo 20:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't have server access anymore, so this isn't something I can do. If there are 5 supporters and no objections, you can ask Brion or another developer on wikitech-l. Angela 11:36, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikijunior Kiki/Nikki design vote, round 2Edit

Wikijunior project Kiki/Nikki character designs lasts until Friday, in case you wanted to have your say... -- user:zanimum

Image:Kiki5.JPG is the best in my opinion, but unfortunately Brion has deleted the full version of it at Image:Nikki 5.jpg. Is there any chance you can re-upload it, citing the source and explaining what it's for? If you could get permission to release it under the GFDL instead of fair use, that would be great. Angela 07:53, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I've uploaded two new things with the design, plus a page of other characters by the illustrator in question. -- user:zanimum



I have a question regarding merchandising gadgets with Wikipedia logo. I don't know who should I ask about the issue, I'm just guessing you can help. =}

I'm a polish Wikipedia user. Many months ago I established a shop account for gadgets with polish Wikipedia logo, meant as a Wiki promotion. Basically it's identical to the one at the coffeepress, but it's local. I don't make any money on it. Only a few people ever used it, so I forgot about it's existence. But lately someone on polish wiki found it and the question is back: are we (well, me) really allowed to run it?

I know the Board is currently trying to resolve the general problem, but I don't know if we should wait and see, or can we get permission from Board to continue the account offering?

Please let me know what do you think about it, and what should I do to make things clear. -- kocio 23:57, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Hiya. With a polish chapter authorized to use the logos, the solution can be handled pretty easily in the future. The shop should be linked to the polish chapter and the benefits of the shop collected by the chapter. Anthere admin statusEdit

Why did you de-sysop my account? Even though I kinda need to be an admin on each wiki due to having to edit things like sitemessage and donation url, I was also an admin on for well over 2 years. I've went ahead and re-added the status. --Daniel Mayer

replied at User talk:Daniel Mayer. Angela


Do you have a ppt or pdf of your presentation of last april for SA. I would like to avoid repetitions, so would be happy to know what you more exactly presented. Thanks Anthere 08:17, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Sent by email. Angela


I invite you to cast your vote for "Chick coming out of a Wikipedia Jigsaw Egg". Wikipedia mascot

SudarshanP 18:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I think someone would have to make an image for it rather than it being just an idea before it gets much support. Angela 22:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
This is a mockup of a mascot for Wikipedia or Wikidata. Part of the image is derived from [4] . Someone with good artistic skill can improve on this "theme" to make it completely legal. Apart from being a candidate for Wikipedia Mascot... I think it could be a candidate for the logo of Wikidata or Semantic Wikipedia. The Wikipedians construct the Egg, piece by piece, it hatches and out comes the Semantic Wikipedia(Wikidata). SudarshanP 18:37, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


Wikijunior name voteEdit

Please go to m:Wikijunior project name and vote for a name in the Wikimedia children's project. -- user:zanimum admin statusEdit

I just read your response on my talk page. Do you even investigate why I assigned myself admin status on and many others? Did you even ask? Well the reason is simple: I need to edit the sitewide message of each wiki often enough that having to reassign admin rights to myself each time makes a huge task nearly impossible. So please don't remove access from any account with my real name. --Daniel Mayer 23:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)


Hello Angela. If you have 10 minutes please read Requests for permissions#huwiki checkuser status. Datrio (and Innocence) suggested to have a vote, it was done, liked from there too. Datrio told me that he would have input from other stewards because this is so new, so please, if you have an opinion (and I hope it is positive) share with him to help this to get rolling before we run out of that 2 weeks the logs are kept. [Or of course if you believe it is okay then it would be great if you could grant the flag.] Thank you. (This message was sent to Angela and Andre, since I have talked with you two in the past.) --grin 19:23, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Beck Foundation GrantEdit

I saw your post on the foundation website about the Beck Foundation. There is some question at wikibooks:Wikijunior Solar System as to WHICH Beck Foundation is responsible for the grant. Is it the Lewis H. Beck Foundation of Atlanta, the The John and Frances Beck Foundation of Chicago (contact person Catherine Ryan), or some other Beck foundation?

If you have seen an AOL address, you know more than we do!

Thanks for your help --SV Resolution(Talk) 14:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Jimmy has a brochure from them, but he's never sent this to me nor replied to my emails about it, so I've no idea which Foundation it is. All I know if that Marianne Friedman is the CEO. Angela 10:28, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. Kind of a bizarre state of affairs. The Wikimedia foundation can't state where it got the grant from. --SV Resolution(Talk) 12:39, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

It's the John and Frances Beck Foundation. This was confirmed today by Michael Davis who checked the name on the $10,000 check they sent us. Angela 19:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, and for updating the Wikijunior page --SV Resolution(Talk) 12:57, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Hürden machen Wikinews total lächerlichEdit

Guten Tag Angela! Mein Englisch ist mühsam, arm und schlecht. Da du Deutsche bist, ziehe ich daher deutsch vor:

Ich habe soeben auf dem deutschen Site von Wikinews folgendes Thema zur Diskussion gebracht:

Die ist die Fortsetzung des Themas "Interlingue": Für andere "Kleinsprachen" wären gerade Nachrichten in der Landesprache sehr wichtig, weil teilweise für die Sprecher der Sprachen gar keine anderen Informationsquellen existieren, als staatliches Fernsehen in diesen Sprachen. Also gar keine unkontrollierte Information. Ich finde den Gegenstand von "Wikinews" total lächerlich.
Ist die Zielsetzung von Wikipedia heimlich die ganze Information der Mächtigen an sich zu reissen (ähnlich ebay!)?
Warum will man den deutschsprachigen Menschen, die auf Tausende von guten Informationsquellen jeder Art zurückgreifen können, eine weitere Informationsquelle als wikinews in die Futterschüssel schmeissen, den englischsprachigen Menschen, die vermutlich sogar auf Millionen von guten Informationsquellen jeder Art zurückgreifen können, auch,
aber nicht einem Soussou, Malinké, oder Mauritanier etc, der in einer Art autoritär geführten Regierungsform leben muss, noch dazu geprägt von der Autorität sehr hemmender Religionen, die auch besonders zurückhaltend sind mit der freien Verbreitung von Information (soll er nur deswegen nach Europa illegal auswandern und hier in Europag einreisen?)...
... das werde ich nie begreifen. Das ist doch ein zum Himmel hinaufschreiendes, im höchsten Grad menschenverartendes Dirigismus! Wer hat denn sich so etwas mittelalterliches einfallen lassen?
Gerade den kleinen Sprachen sollten Erleichterungen gegeben werden, damit etwas freie und exakte, korrekte Neuigkeiten zukommen können...
Das Egoismus unserer Wohlstandsgesellschaft kennt wirklich keinen Anstand mehr.

Dann habe ich noch ein altes Thema; es ist schön dass du auch meine Muttersprache gut kennst. Vielleicht benützt du dann selbst beide wiktionaries, das Französische und das Deutsche. Dein Freund Melancholie hatte mir ein Beispiel hingeschmiessen, "siehe Hund". habe ich auch brav getan, und zwar in beiden Sprachen. Dann stellte ich eine Fehlfunktion fest, die leicht wäre zu beseitigen, und die ich hier lang und breit erläutert habe. Keine Aussicht auf Besserung?

Schliesslich war ich erschüttert, dass die Diskussion zum Vorhaben Wahl in Sache Wikiversity nur auf Englisch geführt wurde. Warum sammelt wikipedia Geld in allen Ländern, wenn wikipedia sich schliesslich wie ein Werkzeug im Dienste scheinbar der CIA benimmt?

Salut Oui 22:32, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not German, and I'm certainly not able to reply coherently in German, so it's maybe best if you continue this discussion on the German Wikinews site rather than with me.
If you want a new Wikinews language, see Wikinews/Start a new edition for details on how to get one. No one is preventing small languages having their own Wikinews if there are enough editors to create one.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your comments about Wiktionary at all.
The discussion about Wikiversity has certainly not been only in English. In fact, only the German version currently has its own site ( Also, the voting pages are available in many languages (11 so far, and more are welcome), and discussion can take place at any one of those. Angela 09:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK meetingEdit

Hi Angela, I don't know where you're based these days, but there will probably be a meeting for the purpose of discussing Wikimedia UK this Sunday, which you might like to attend. You could add your name there if so. Cormaggio @ 23:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I was in Minneapolis then, and I'll probably be in Berlin for the rest of this year now. Angela 17:16, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Request favorEdit

Hey, I seen you in recent changes, so I figured I would ask you :) Would you mind moving Help:Kategorien to Hilfe:Kategorien. Hilfe:Kategorien exists and only contains 2 small lines, I marked it for delete so I could finish moving the rest of the DE help files. If you dont' mind. Thanks. «»Who?¿?WP 21:11, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

This is done now. Angela 22:36, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. «»Who?¿?WP 00:31, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Help fix bug in Udmurt wikipediaEdit

Hello Angela, there is a problem with {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} in Udmurt wikipedia. {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} always displays 1 instead of actual number of articles (please see udm:Wikipedia:Number of articles (I have temporarily removed this template from Main Page). I tried to report this error via Bugzilla, but I failed. Can you inform anybody whom it may concern about the situation? --Denis Sacharnych 05:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I've added it to bug:3581. Angela
Thank you very much, this template works correctly by now! --Denis Sacharnych 10:56, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Hebrew wikinewsEdit

as you can see here we are almost done translating and all formal and informal requirements have been met, so can you open I belive that once we will begin (now, for real) we will have much more contributers and, just like HE wikipedia, it will grow larger and larger. thanks Avichai 22:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I've asked Erik to do this, along with Russian. Angela 02:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Please let Erik know the site name for Wikinews in Hebrew. It can't be made before this is known. Thanks. Angela 23:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thanks for the help in the Hebrew Wikinews. Can you make me a temp sysop or bureaucrat. We have a lot to do in translating all the "MediaWiki". thanks again Avichai 12:34, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Multiling namespacesEdit

Thanks for the catch. How did the "help" namespaces get translated, btw? Is there a page on meta discussing the change? +sj | Translate the Quarto |+ 01:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

request statusEdit

Hi.. I just dont know where to ask these questions, so could you provide me with some information and last status regarding our request for language subdomain creation and my request for sysop in please ? Is these request being processed ? postponed ? or have been denied ? Is there any other requirements ? Thanks Borgx 03:35, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't make wikis myself. You need to find a developer with at least shell access. The sysop request should only be made after the wiki exists. Have you asked om wikitech-l for it to be created? Does it meet the Proposed policy for wikis in new languages? Angela 12:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I asked on IRC, but no one was available to do this. I suggest you contact Brion by email. Angela 16:41, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia S&MEdit

You've got an answer on your talk page here. :) --Dungodung 11:00, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I think the abbreviation S&M might be a little too ambiguous. "Serbia and Montenegro" wasn't what came to mind when I noticed this post on my talk page... Angela 16:41, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

from UR.wikipediaEdit

hi angela, i was facing few problem at ur.wikipedia could you please help me.

  1. how could i translate word Category at ur:Category:طبیعات (i have tried working with ur:Special:Allmessages but failed)
  2. like english wikipedia has namespace Portal how could we have something like that in UR?
  3. in this style and in the text box, the text appears broken ur:حدیٹ, how could i solve this
  4. * is different then ٭ , ٭is generated in urdu and not changed into list (*=٭, but not in case of lists)

if you are unable to help me, please refer it to someone who could,

Thanks in advance Wisesabre 08:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

You need to request these changes at They aren't something you can change through the wiki itself, and I don't have server access so I can't make these changes myself. Angela 19:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Check User 2Edit


For the past minutes you have been undoing what User:Psychonaut changed. Since I am no admin, I could not do that (and I don't want to) but I would like to know what would be the quickest way to let an admin know what is going on. There is no sign whatsoever that an admin is seeing what I am looking at?Ruud habets 10:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The quickest way is to report it on the #wikimedia IRC channel. Angela 10:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
ok, thnx Ruud habets 10:34, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for updating this - though I still can't think of a good name. Cormaggio @ 15:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia UKEdit

You have expressed an interest in Wikimedia UK. Just to let you know I've posted a draft Memorandum of Association and Articles of Association of the proposed "Wikimedia UK" charitable company on Wikimedia UK/Memorandum of Association and Wikimedia UK/Articles of Association. It is proposed that these will receive initial approval by interested parties at a meeting on 27 November. I will put together a brief agenda for the more formal aspects of that meeting soon. Memo and Arts of Association are a company's constitution, and need to be agreed before the company is formed (though they can be changed at a later date). Please feel free to comment on the relevant talk pages (I'd rather the proposed drafts are left unedited so that it is easy to see what is going on) - particularly if there is something there that you would disagree with at the meeting, details of which can be found on the Wikimedia UK page on Wikimedia Meta-Wiki. Kind regards, Jguk 19:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

English version of Wikimédia France bylawsEdit

Hello, Angela. I'm sorry for bothering you with this, but it would be great if you could help. I'm from Russian Wikipedia, and we are currently discussing possible constitution of our local Wikimedia chapter. The idea was that our chapter could function generally the same way as the French chapter does, i.e. legally representing Wikimedia Foundation. This is why it would be very helpful for us to see their bylaws. Unfortunately, we haven't found the text in English, and it seems that just now we haven't anybody able to make a translation from French :( I asked Ryo, who is one of founding members of Wikimédia France, if they have the English version of the bylaws, and he said that he believes that English text does exist, but is not sure where to find it, and that probably Jimbo should have it. I wasn't sure Jimbo will have enough time to answer the question, so, knowing you are a member of the Board of Trustees, I wrote you... We all would be very grateful if you could supply us with the English text (if it exists, of course). Thanks in advance, Jinma 00:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Replied at w:ru:Обсуждение участника:Jinma. Angela 04:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the reply! Jinma 17:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia S&M bylawsEdit

The first draft of the translation for the bylaws for Wikimedia Serbia & Montenegro is done. Delphine told me to tell you to look at them and make a comment. She's going to do so too and Florence already did. The english version is here. Thanks :) --Dungodung 20:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Application to have an account in wikimedia foudation websiteEdit

I handed my application to have an accout in wikimedia foundation here, please have a look and check it! Thank you very much!--Vipuser 11:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


Hi Angela, there has been some vandalism on the Main Page for, there is only one sysop there (Danny) and he does not seem to response. Could you lock the main page? It would still be possible to edit the page because it only contains a Template:Main Page. b. regards Quackor 15:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not too keen on protecting it since there are no active admins, and it would be off-putting to anyone who wants to develop this wiki. I've asked Danny to keep an eye on it since he's an admin there. I'll also ask Node-ue to watch it since he tries to monitor the inactive wikis. Angela 09:36, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Protection of the page of Bulgarian user The EngineerEdit

Hello Angela, I saw your explanation on the talk page of user The Engineer in Bulgarian Wiki. Sorry if it is rude but you've used a weasel term in it: "... number of members ...". How big this number is and of which users you've got a complaint. There is the user Emil in a personal conflict with him, and The Engineer is accusing him in being backed by an administrator and a founder of Bulgarian Wiki - Petko (admin ID Потребител:5ko, "pet" means five in Bulgarian). While I cannot accuse user Petko, I can assure you that user Emil is having conflicts not only with The Engineer (even I had to recall my ambassador).

Please make clear statement based on what you went for removal of adminship of The Engineer, and protection of his pages. The Bulgarian Wiki community is too small to waste any editor, and is among those who lost editors instead of getting more onboard. Bulgarian Wiki also is decreasing its pace. Right now I am not asking to reinstate the admin access but protection without clear, verifyable explanation is not good.

Regards, Bggoldie 13:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Posted also to en:.

replied at w:en:User talk:Bggoldie. Angela 14:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Requested check of use of checkuser rightsEdit

Angela, Today I was kicked off and banned from the #Wikipedia IRC channel by Kelly Martin. If you want the details of why, I am quite willing to explain, but I don't believe it is central to the point at hand. I have reason to suspect that Kelly Martin may have used her checkuser rights in order to identify what account I was using on IRC #Wikipedia, as no one else was booted off the channel prior to my being booted. I've never identified my IRC nick with my Wikipedia nick prior to this incident. With 200+ users on the channel, such accuracy in booting me seems...suspect. I would like a check to be done to determine if Kelly Martin ran a checkuser request against my ID "Durin". I believe in your role as a steward you are capable of running such a check. Thanks in advance, --Durin 21:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC) (cc: Daniel Mayer, Anthere)

  • You may ignore this request. It has been clarified to my satisfaction. --Durin 23:45, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

User wants sysop rightsEdit

This user made a request at the English Wikibooks about becoming an Admin on the Maori WB. Someone made the suggestion of forwarding this to a steward, so I thought I'd just let you know (if someone already hasn't). There doesn't seem to be much happening over at mi.WB, so I'm not sure what you can do. --Lord Voldemort 15:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Asking on Requests for permissions would be better than asking any steward directly. --Angela 00:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi, I've been trying to set up a Persian (fa) subdomian for Wikisource. I read your response to a similar request for another language and contacted Brion via the online form. I haven't heard back in 2-3 weeks. I also filed a bug report here, no reaction so far. The project satisfies the conditions for a new Wikisource language (more here). I'd appriciate it if you could expediate things, it would be cool if we could start in 2005 (at least in name). Kaveh 14:18, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Have you tried email the Wikitech mailing list with this request? There should be someone there who can help. --Angela 00:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I posted my request there yesterday, still quiet. Kaveh 09:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


I'll leave this message on Wikipedia as well, but I wanted to make sure you got this. At Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy, a couple users and myself are attempting to gather consensus about a possible change in editing. So as not to keep the community out of the loop, we've been posting to user talk pages, which seems to have worked. If you can add your thoughts to the talk page, it would be greatly appreciated. We've gone over a few issues, ranging from perception of anti-wiki to time limits, and recycling pagemove code, so you might want to check out #Rehashing to get up to speed. Thanks in advance, Mysekurity 21:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Translation of Interface into Bahasa Melayu (Malay Language)Edit

Hi Angela, I have just translated fully the interface for the Malay language Wikipedia. Although the language was started on 12 August 2003, the interface was only partially translated.

I am unable to understand the guidelines given in MediaWiki localization. How do I go about making a patch and then submit? — PM Poon 21:04, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Are you an admin on that wiki? If so, translating using the MediaWiki namespace would be a quicker way of doing this. Do you have a way of getting files from CVS? It's hard to explain how to do this when I don't know what system you're using. Angela 00:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

test links regarding Interwiki mapEdit

  • Hallo Angela! I found the following prefixes for wiki's at Wikicities at Interwiki map:
Wikicities:, CreaturesWiki:, FinalFantasy, MozCom:, WikiFur:
  • If bugzilla:04285 – "provide accessibility of Wikipedia's sister projects trough wikipedia: interwiki prefix"
would be implemented one could reach wikicities:furry: (or at least with wikicities:furry:Main Page), wikicities:games: (or at least with wikicities:games:Main Page) and all other Wikicities wiki's. Now these links generate "Bad title's". The only need to add Interwiki's would be to make them shorter. Bests regards Gangleri | Th | T 23:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Please, Mega Troll possibility needs to be looked at hereEdit

I am coming to you because there is nowhere else to go with this. I fear a mega troll has been able to so firmly entrench himself within wikinews with meatpuppets and sockpuppets that he has obtained virtual control of the site. Now he is attempting to expand his power into Wiktionary. [5]. He simply uses his authority and extreme time availability to wear down and force contributors who are in his way off the site. He has also managed to drive a wedge between Admins and non-admins (basically forming a club-like clique among admins) to the point where a reasonable Rfda; [6] fails with 6 admins opposing and 9 non-admins supporting the Rfda. Amgine's dedication toward prioritizing group loyalty is manifest with this edit of his; "Your approach to Wikinews, in my opinion, is focused on articles. This is a common approach, but probably not the most valuable. I suggest you reconsider that Wikinews is not about articles, but about developing and maintaining an online community; the articles are secondary. - Amgine / talk 14:53, 23 October 2005 (UTC)". Amgine also uses multiple signatures leading to different sites and one that leads nowhere.

The administrative abuses are historical fact and are listed below and although the "troll" accusation is based on circumstantial evidence; I am also showing it at the bottom. The section below is from [7]

  • Regarding Amgine's activities as an administrator for en.wikinews, I have checked and double checked the information/links below and find the statements accompanying them to be true. Amgine abuses administrative authority consistently and has done so for at least 6 months. His user page comments even show he has a troll-like connection as an administrator with the project[8] as he openly announces that he has "left the project" while being the most active in terms of conflicts and blockings[9]; acting as a foreman or "boss" rather than in a collaborative fashion.
    • Here are the examples of administrative abuse. Amgine has had multiple long lasting disputes with many editors with Neutralizer being the most recent and intense. Amgine has not hesitated to abuse his admin powers by blocking/punishing editors like Neutralizer who disagree with him; even though wikinews guidelines clearly state that an admin should NOT block an editor with whom they are having a dispute (they should,instead, allow a different admin. to apply any necessary blocks to that editor). It now seems that the wikinews contributors can not get rid of Amgine no matter how hard they try; Amgine is able to deflect and explain away his misdeeds in a fashion that puts Shakespeare's "Artful Dodger" to shame. You may expect that he will become increasingly accusatory and employ vicious attack methods to get what he wants. Re Amgine; its a lot easier to get him in power than to get him out of power. Fair Warning !
    1. Amgine displayed his arrogance by summarily rejecting the resolution,suggestions of a mediator, Ilya (a wikinews Bureaucrat) after a mediation. "I do not accept your suggestion that I limit my administrative privilege use either to "vandalism or very clear violations of objective policies only, and to explicitly let some other admin deal with Neutralizer" or "submit a self-de-admin request." [10]
    2. Dan100's list.[11] of Amgine's "bullying and poor behaviour" (Dan100 is an admin.[12] in good standing at wikinews).
    3. Apparent vendetta blocks:
      A shows 4 of the spurious blocks Amgine levied against Neutralizer which were all later rescinded when other admins got involved [13].
      B shows the last block against Neutralizer done after Amgine and he clearly were in conflict
      02:13, 6 November 2005 Amgine blocked "User:Neutralizer" with an expiry time of 6 months
    4. Admin abuse; blocking Ed Brown for 1 month [14] 04:27, 11 December 2005 Amgine blocked "User:Edbrown05" with an expiry time of 1 month ; Amgine soon withdrew that block as he claimed a "software problem" had been the cause of the unjustified block. This time selection of 1 month for a long standing good contributor like Edbrown shows an abusive use of blocking
    5. talk page blanked and frozen by Amgine ( in the middle of ongoing disputes with this same person) [15] This is especially interesting as he did it just one hour after the talk page was made to prioritize the question of whether Amgine and another admin. are the same person.[16] As you can see below (6); Amgine has no problem accusing others of being sockpuppets but when he stands accused? Hell; just delete the evidence.
    6. More Disruption by Amgine; not assuming good faith:
      Amgine accused vonbergm of being a sockpuppet; "I do not have reason to believe you are not a sockpuppet."[17]
      Just a few days ago he accused Edbrown of being a sockpuppet[18]
    Additional "Troll" indicators
    1. Enigma = Amgine backwards •nig•ma (-ngm) KEY NOUN: One that is puzzling, ambiguous, or inexplicable. A perplexing speech or text; a riddle. Anything that arouses curiosity or perplexes because it is unexplained, inexplicable, or secret: conundrum, mystery, perplexity, puzzle, puzzler, riddle. Definition sounds a lot like a definition for "troll" to me; "puzzler,perplexing,conundrum"
    2. says “left the project” shows the opposite Neutralizer 15:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
    I don't see any reason to call Amgine a troll, and I think you are going to greatly exaggerate the conflict if you go round accusing him of being one. Have you tried discussing this with other Wikinewsies? Perhaps the IRC channel would be a good place to do that. Angela 06:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
    The discussions on Irc and watercooler have been going on for 6 months and it just keeps getting worse.[19] fails with 6 admins opposing and 9 non-admins supporting the Rfda. Would not resignation and re-nomination be the right thing for this admin to do? By staying in it makes a mockery of the idea admins have the trust of the community. Self de-admin by this rogue ain't gonna happen; and this person is one of Amgine's most loyal allies and pit bulls. The situation is as I outline it, I'm afraid. If I am correct, why would Amgine agree to moderate his behaviour? He has a formula that is working and working well in terms of dividing and conquering; our Bureaucrats can do nothing with him; nothing at all. The point is, a few of our admins no longer have the community's trust and they simply do not care; and with the overall admin clubishness in effect; they are invincible. Neutralizer 02:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

    One of the Stewards, Datrio, just made my pointEdit

    If a Steward could be tricked by Amgine's mischief; then what does that tell you about what's happening to the average contributor to wikinews?

    And regarding your suggestion to work with the problem on Irc; here is a record of how Amgine and one of his colleagues use IRC; to plot and lay a trap to block one of our great administrators,[20] Simeon.

    see excerpts from [21]below;

    "Amgine "Need a hand?"

    Amgine <claps for Lyellin>

    Lyellin "talk page comments would be nice"

    Amgine "There in a minute."

    Lyellin growls again

    Amgine "Just a moment, almost done..."

    Amgine; "Your turn Lyellin. If he goes further, it's 3rr"

    Lyellin "done"

    Amgine "Blocked"

    Lyellin "sighs"

    Angela, I am no fool; I would not be here spending our time if I believed there was any other place I could go to deal with this matter; and I really believe the Stewards should take a good long look at this because Amgine is not only mega-trolling wikinews,imo, he is very close to being made an administrator of Wiktionary as well. Neutralizer 13:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

    Best wishesEdit

    Dario,Oscar,Angela; Okay; if you folks want to ignore/deflect/not take seriously this alert; then I must accept that. Because of your positions as Stewards, I expect you are more committed/dedicated to the projects than I am.But I know I did my best to deal with this matter; and it's quite apparent you did your best not to deal with it. So be it. Neutralizer 19:16, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

    I think you're misunderstanding the role of steward. It isn't to arbitrate disputes. As the other stewards have said at User talk:Neutralizer, tis is something you need to deal with on your own project, not something for stewards to interfere with since the English Wikinews is large enough to handle it's own problems. Angela 02:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

    checkusers @ar.wikipediaEdit

    Hello Angela, we had a vote since almost one month on our Arabic wikipedia to give some active users the checkuser state. This is important for us since first we hadn't any users having this state and second to control the voting process better. I hope you can change the state as soon as possible. If you have further questions, please don't hesitate.Another question: We have also a vote (since three months) to return the normal user state for some sysop on our wikipedia, who didn't show up after almost one year.I'm a bearucrat there, but don't know how to do this? You'll find both votes (checkuser and removing sysops) under[22] Regards, --Oxydo 11:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

    Please see Request for CheckUser information. I'm not involved in assigning checkuser access. Angela 06:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


    Hi Angela, When you look for results in any search engine you enter keywords into a search box and expect to get answers.

    In Wikipedia lots of times users do not get a straight answer. For example, for the word CAT they get a list of cat species to choose from. The same happens whenever the query has more than one meaning. This is an obstacle not only for the blind but also for seeing people. It is a barrier between the query and the answer. It is a clumsy way to find out what the query means.

    Using QTSaver ( bypasses this obstacle and gives users straight answers. Blind people can use Talking Browsers like Opera to read the results.

    QTSaver is free software that extracts multiple large chunks of microcontent from popular search engine sites including Wikipedia. Users can choose to get their results only from Wikipedia.

    QTSaver displays a single Search-Engine-Results-Page and skips pictures tables and information that is not answering directly the users' query.

    This proposed new software is being used currently in the Center of the Association for the Visually Impaired Students in the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and gets positive comments. I hope you'll bring this herald to as many visually impaired and dyslectic people as possible. See: //


    I just did a search on that for "test" and it gave me a very long page with all kinds of results not sorted in any logical way. It would take ages for a screen reader to get though all that, so I can't really see that it would be more helpful than a short disambiguation page like Wikipedia:Test. Angela 12:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

    Wikikings, wikimperators, wikityrans, wikikillers and wiki-terrorEdit

    Hi Angela months ago, i did ask for your help against a troll on "simple" named Netoholic! In wikipedia the most used word is "Vandalism" and the second is "troll"
    Why: the biggest trolls in the web are probably the wikikings, wikimperators, and wikityrans, and wikikillers engaged by Wikipedia: this people abuse of the confiance given by wikipedia to tyranise other WORKERS
    In the last month's I did encontre more outrageous resistance on wikipedia through completely incompetant people.
    You are the queen of a tyranny, I congratulate you!
    If you always and everywhere encontre "Vandalism", "Trolls" and "spams", don't be surprised: Your crew sow horror under different categories of good willed workers on wikipedia, the horror under the people awaiting for a impartial world don't strongly sclaved through exclusive English spoking world (Wikimedia, and your secret wiki mailing lists in the underground are strictly English! It is very more easy to speek with Mr. Bill Gate in an different language! Wiki is more and more an instrument of pure domination and destructions of the livelihood of payed autors, of editors, of libraries and bookshops etc.) and, of course, under the workers living from her creative work in the press industry etc.
    You aggress the private press of the world with Wikinews now!
    And for that, what is really necessary, the diffusion of rare naturally or artificial but not fiction languages, you make the enorm barrier of the fictive election through user! How is answering, such people saying herself about her own personality "Ich bin der Wahnsinnige aus Holland und bin ein Terrorist für die Request-for-new-languages-page!": Why? Because Wikipedia has now the absurd pretention to erase all the other form of printed creation of other because they get no form of payment for her work any more...
    "Little" languages need an institution like like Wikipedia. Serious linguistic experiments like with esperanto, interlingua, ido and interlingue also. This old linguistic camels are ISO proofed you mean on wikipedia! And it's become a reason to avoid the other experiments being more modern or more equilibred. Or being simply different and opening new horizonts? Or different poor languages like african languages! They have to convince the crew of Wikikings, wikimperators, wikityrans, wikikillers and wiki-terror! And if not, nothing!?!?
    Angela "working people" needs the liberty to try to find new ways for our planete, not the possibility to reinvente the wheel as you really do (you make a new paper for a English spoking world having already thousands of free news papers but will limit the access to the same possibility for communauties having no free press? you will propage languages having really an official State to propage it, but will soon refuse to start a language having the possibility to desenclave millions of handicapped people like Solresol! Why did Stephe Spielberg choice this language 1977 for his celebre film? Because St. Spielberg is visionary superman having spontan feeling in such extremly tricky situations! He is genial and the most wikipedia idealist not! That is the difference. For this reason is the election of a new project through the community completely ridiculous so long the project respect the laws and is completely correct! The most people can absolutely not understand what difficulties encontre different handicaped people! That deaf people can't thing in words in her young years because the never did listen words! That deaf people speeks but will never listen world by learning or after learning of speaking! and continues don't to thing in the same words as we because never in the live they will listen words, etc.), erasing the profession of a lot of people on your way. You have a terrible responsability in a process of barrier and pure destruction!
    You aggress all at the same time!
    Purhaps it goes good if you are really in force
    and really arrive to erase all editors and all non-wikipedia authors!
    Purhaps it is only an terrible arrogance from wikipedia...
    It is disgousting!
    also see please Bye Oui 20:35, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

    It doesn't seem like there are enough speakers of Solresol to have a successful wiki in it, but if you're so keen on the idea, perhaps you should consider hosting it yourself rather than just making personal attacks at Requests for new languages/Non-natural. Angela 12:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
    Hi Angela, You (not you personaly, I don't know if you are responsible for this rules or other people in the management of Wikipedia) did supply food for, as you say, personal attacks. YOUR wikiking did attack me the first on a site, simple, where you personaly are competent and active. I did inform you. But nothing happend. What kind of attack: the destruction through Neholotic of hours of my works: it is also a personal attack if an "very important person" of wikipedia erase works of other without giving chance to discuss it but it's seem less important for you! What kind of work: only litterature references of basic english to give a chance to other to find in bibliothek's the old works about this dialect of english. but in the last months, you can see an amount of pure publicity for this or that on all the wikipedia site. It's seems it is better encyclopedical working for wikipedia-VIP's to make real publicity as to make litterature references about a dialect, you didn't retain for simple.wikipedia! i know, it is an indirect critic. of course...
    Excuse me Angela, but your argument "It doesn't seem like there are enough speakers of Solresol to have a successful wiki in it" is really silly dilly! How can a forbiden thing have enough members? explain me it! i am interessed! Solresol exists only on French and were forboden from 1881 until 1991, more than 110 years. parts from Solresol were transleted by anglophone idealists (ca. 1996)! it is not possibility to have a big community under such conditions but it will never be possible to get it without help (please consider: handicaped people get absolutely NO help, never)! Angela, you havbe a colossal internet site now under you! what are you really proposing to handicapped people (40 millions in the e.u. with only 15 members, OCDE 1995! 40 millions Angela!). i can answer for your - NOTHING : because Wikipedia is the more egoist self production that the planet did produce millions year during! - wikipedia is only a GIANT SHOW ROOM for intellectual people destroying professional world under using of the anonymity.
    Angela you have 50 wiki's non working and you can't support ONE more, the unic one for handicapped people, a ridiculous quantity of bytes, without discussion? you are really extremly AGGRESSIV AGAINST HANDICAPPED PEOPLE! will wikipedia perhaps also destroy handicaped people? will you say "poor handicaped people please, should you better consider hosting yourself?" you disturb us, good and normal human, you poor handicaped people... (it is the signification of your answer to me, angela!). you can support 50 other non working sites and not ONE ONLY ONE SITE FOR HANDICAPED PEOPLE angela?
    Angela, wikipedia seems me more and more to be an monstruous institution because the dirigents are not intelligent enough to discern good and devilness...
    Your answer to me is a real spectacle! But it's only YOUR work...
    You will really be a leader of a new age for the communication of the world and totaly ignore millions and millions of handicaped people! Last year I did read your election campagne publicity: are you a kind of president Bush, or of Mr. Muscle, Mrs. Schwarzenegger perhaps?
    I am sorry, but you are in my eyes...
    ... a poor human... 18:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
    Has anyone else expressed any interest in working on or in using a wiki in that language? It's not a matter of discrimination, but of whether or not there is any chance of having a successful and useful wiki in Solresol. Angela 13:16, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

    Spam listEdit

    Hi Angela, we need to ban this site ( from being posted on the Arabic wikipedia. It needs to be put in the spam list. We have a retrieval party every night, it comes from proxies in South Korea, with IP address's from different IP blocks, and if we block them we will block half of SK.

    The post is done automatically, every night on lots of pages; some times it creates new pages.

    Can we block things locally in Arabic wikipedia? I think we need to have more control there. --Tarawneh 17:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC) is already in the blacklist, so you shouldn't have any more problems from that one. It isn't possible to block URLs locally since all Wikimedia wikis share the same blacklist, but you can request additions to the blacklist at Talk:Spam blacklist. Angela 18:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

    Mailing List for Bangla wikipediaEdit

    Both Brion and Fire seem to be on extended breaks. Who should I contact to set up a Bangla wikipedia mailing list? -- Zaheen 16:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC), bn:User:Zaheen

    Brion isn't on a break, other than perhaps from editing the wiki, but asking on the wikitech-l mailing list or opening a request in MediaZilla: would be the best way to get this done. Angela 13:16, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

    Happy new yearEdit

    I wish you a happy new year and success in wikipedia. I hope you'll be able to visit Bergerac this year !

    I've created a bot in oc-wikipedia (oc:User:Getobot). I would like to call it GetoBot, I'm administrator but I'm not allowed to change its name. Can you change its name for me and give it a flag, please ?

    In my last request, I wrong explained for wich user I wanted a flag. I need a flag for sr:Корисник:GetoBot and not for sr:Корисник:ГетоБот. Can you give me this flag ? (Milos's told us to create 2 bots, one with a flag and another without flag, because of sr:wiki organization). Thank you for everything and see you soon --Gorann Andjelkovic 17:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

    Do you have community approval for those to become bots on sr and oc? Angela 13:16, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


    Please, consider your vote at Stewards/elections 2006#Raul654. See the Anthere's vote. Thanks. --Sanbec 10:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


    FYI Wikimedia stewards on IRC. villy 21:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

    Wiki for standardsEdit

    i saw your question at Talk:Wiki for standards and wanted to inform you that i am merely the poll-coordinator, neutral and not involved in the issue itself. grtz ;-) oscar 23:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

    Aromanian WikipediaEdit

    Hi, I'm not sure if you are the one I should be contacting about this, but I'd like a modification made to the Aromanian Wikipedia. Currently, interwiki links list the language's native name as Armâneashti. While this is an actual name for the language, it is a bit obscure. A Yahoo search proves this, with only [23] hits. I'd like to change it to Aromână, which ranks higher in the Yahoo test, with 364 hits [24], and is consistent with the formal name of the language: limba aromână. Unfortunately, I seem to be the only contributor there at the moment (amongst sporadic anons), so I don't think there can be a vote on the matter. Is the change possible? Latinus 15:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

    Never mind - I think the current name will do (more sources have emerged). Latinus 20:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

    Bias administratorEdit

    Dear Angela,

    I am a user of Turkish Wikipedia. I have problems with an admistrator there who is bias on my articles. I have recently started an article with the name 'Hocaefendi' and it is deleted by this administrator (User:Dbl2010). The reason shown was it is similar to an existing article. I havent had a chance to discuss the issue with other parties invloved.

    He, not only deleted my article, deleted the whole history of my contribution as well. I cannot find my previous versions in the history. Even they did not show up in my contribution list.

    It looks to me completely bias and unacceptible to me.

    I was wondering if you could have a chance to look at the issue.

    Best. Rgulerdem 19:00, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

    Please see the deletion log for the reasons this was deleted. Since two different admins have deleted it, it seems unlikely the reason is a bias against you. Angela

    Logo derivativeEdit

    Hi, just thought I should mention that I have uploaded a derivative of the Wikipedia logo, w:en:Image:Wiki-halo.png, and placed a link on Uses of logo derivatives under "Others with no comments to or from the Board". — TheKMantalk 09:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

    PS: What sort of permission is required before creating derivative logos for use in a Wikimedia project? (and may I ask for this permission?) Thanks! — TheKMantalk 17:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
    We currently have no policy on this. I suggest you contact Soufron, the Foundation's legal officer, for information on when a policy for giving permission for derivatives will be made. Angela 08:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

    Program chat this SundayEdit

    Hello Angela, I hope you're comfortably back on continent 6. (Or is it 1?) We're planning a Wikimania program chat this Sunday around midnight UTC, to see off the first round of CfP distribution (and take a look at some paper-processing software). Would you be free then? There's some flexibility about the exact start time; I'd like to hear from you before sending a note to the mailing list.

    Thanks for your comments so far on the CfP. What do you think of the current themes? Sj 22:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

    The themes look great, and midnight UTC is perfect timing. Angela 23:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Hmmm. On second thoughts - midight is actually never a good time for a meeting. You should make it 23:59 or 00:01 so people don't get confused about whether you mean the start or end of Sunday. Angela 00:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

    Admin AbuseEdit

    Angela, I had requested your assistance on the Ted Kennedy page in the past. At that time you did not help. Here it is months later and the pages are still controlled by a group of editors and admins who refuse to allow a balance of material and links. Gamaliel, Robert McClenon, Jpgordon, JamesMLane, and a few others now own the pages. Any attempts to modify the page is met by thier gang edits. They allow only links to pro kennedy sites, none to negative sites regardless of the wealth of content they may provide. They push their pov on all of the Kennedy pages. It's because of editors and admins like these that Wikipedia is doubted as a source. ie; the New York Times published policy against Wiki as a source. The group refuses to agree to consensus when it is against them. I've now been blocked by Jpgordon in an abuse of admin priv. My act was not vandalism, it's simply not agreeing with their one sided pov. I am not willing to endure any more arb or mediation. These guys are out of control. 05:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

    Is there a reason you're bringing this to meta and not discussing it on the English Wikipedia? If you don't want to wait until you're unblocked there, you can email the admin who blocked you to discuss it, or ask for help on the mailing list. I don't even know what your username there is, so it's difficult for me to look into this. What was the problem with the previous mediation? Why do you feel it is something you had to endure? Angela 11:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    Hello Angela, I do not wish a user name and the previous mediation never had a full concensus. Any time that the group of editors was asked for a way to resolve they failed to agree. It was their way or no way. The mediator Kelly Martin has since been mentioned by others for her failures. (She was the mediator) I did abide by her decision until recently when the editors, and now admins, removed a website which was part of their argument to not include a second. Most their argument was that there already existed a link to an negative Ted Kennedy website, they have just now removed that and when I put it back they remove it again and block me. There in no balace with these guys. All the republican web pages, like George Bush, have negative links. There are NONE on any Kennedy pages because they conrol them. Check it out, it's true. This is abuse at it's highest form24.147.103.146 13:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    Angela, Admin Jpgordon very, very, was invloved in the past edit war, now that he is an admin, he blocked me. Don't you think that's a bit biased???? I ask that he be removed as an admin.
    Angela, Admin Gamaliel has protected the page against anons. Gamaliel was very, very, involved in the edit war of past with myself and others. Don't you think he's a bit biased? Shouldn't he have removed himself from the process? This is rampant abuse of admin privs. I ask that Gamaliel be removed as an admin. These guys control 100% of what goes on the Kennedy pages. They do not negociate. This is what's wrong with Wikipedia. If you can't fix these problems nothing else matters. Thank you
    Past comments.. I'm not trying to "protect" anyone from the image, I'm trying to protect Wikipedia from an accumulation of crap. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:58, July 12, 2005 (UTC) ....From Jmabel's bio...Brief bio White, male, middle-aged, attorney, New York City resident. Hostile to the right wing .
    In the longer term, because you are temperamentally unsuited to participating in a collaborative project, you won't last here. Either you'll get disgusted and leave, or you'll be banned. JamesMLane 15:22, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

    How the team worksEdit

    The anon writes in an ES, "The argument against was that there was already an alternate pov." No, the main argument was that the site was worthless in terms of conveying additional information that a reader might find useful but that was more detail than we wanted in the article. The Y Ted K site, although also viciously partisan, seems to me to have more substance. I restored it for that reason. (It still merits only one entry in the Ext links section, though, not two separate entries as it had for a while.) JamesMLane 07:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

    It doesn't really matter, anyhow. The anon is not permitted to edit this article, per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Regarding Ted Kennedy. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 07:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC) Can the IP address be blocked for violating the ban? Robert McClenon 12:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


    Sysop en:Mikkalai had used his admin power to block a contributor in an outrageous attempt. Sysop en:Mikkalai engaged in an edit war, then he blocked the opponents. The blocked user made only a single edit [[25]]. Still en:Mikkalai didn't reached consensus and was asked to stop the edit war [talk:Mikkalai#Why_.3F] by two other users. Still he blocked the user en:user: There was also posted a notice on Wikipedia Administrator's noticeboard a message that concludes very good the bad behaviour of sysop en:Mikkalai. The reason given by mikka is "blocking with an expiry time of 24 hours (offense)". Still there is not an offense in the edit [[[[26]]. Why didn't explain sysop en:Mikkalai what is the offense that he thinks it is?

    There is one more important aspect: en:Mikkalai is well known for having Anti-Romanian feelings, he was even blocked once for that reason:

    A desysoped should be just fine. Let the people free of this en:Anti-Romanian contributor.

    So, you're saying this has already been through arbitration and you've been banned? I don't think you should even be trying to edit, let alone complaining when you get blocked for trying to circumvent the arbitration decision. Please see en:WP:AC for details on how you can appeal that. Continuing to revert the article isn't going to help. Angela 00:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


    You my hero, thought you'd like to know. :) -- Cat chi? 19:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

    help, the second time...Edit

    Hi Angela. You should remember me from last autumn, the conflict in the cs:wiki, where I asked to desysop our bureaucrat Vít Zvánovec. Well, I am since some ten days no more a admin on Czech wikipedia as I requested to be desysoped by myself, but as I think your point of view is sometimes for some people very bothering but nevertheless very interesting, and, say, NPOV, so I ask you to have a look at some pages and to help the cs:wiki which seems to be in a difficult stage. Please have a look here. I think, that after some people did transfered the problems to the pages of Wikimedia (here and here again, we have there already some more archived pages) it is necessary to opone them and to do something. I asked some other people to judge the matter (like Daniel Meyer), you should see their comments – if any- here. Thx for help. -jkb- 20:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

    I'm unclear what's going on? Is there an arbcom? Was that elected by the community? Have they made a judgement on this which people are not respecting? Angela 06:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

    Dear Angela, thanks for your reaction. You ask what is going on... Ehm, not easy to answer. :en:User:Pavel Vozenilek, whom I asked to see the matter (he works in en:wiki but speaks Czech), told me: people like this one and this one, who now make problems in cs:wiki, could not exist in en:wiki after saying about another one, he ist fascist/communist/etc., and he said, he does not know a problem there where the communisty discusses more then a year to find a solution. I have the same feeling. Sure, we have a new arbitrage commission. But this commission is working on it since the end of december. Two members already resigned. They accept the play and try to act like judges in a high court of USA. That is nice but nonsence. We are wikipedia, a private project, and I think some law a paragraphs of any country are not interesting. The question is: does XY wish to cooperate or not – basta. OK. Up to here it is a question of the czech wikipedia, but in the moment, when some people (like in the past) start to bother the international community on the pages of Meta, I wanted to do something. I requested to be desysopped in the Czech wiki, that is ok, but I still will cooperate in other projects, and there must be end of this stupid behaviour. What exactly can be done – I don’t know. But if you read the stupid comments on Meta pages, an if you know, that as far as I know in the meantime two wikis asked to stop to export Vit Zvanovec’s war to their wikis (on sk:wiki and from en:wiki), so you know, that there is something wrong. Thx for listening to me and this problem, and good luck, -jkb- 17:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


    You appear to be really important in the Wiki world, so I hate to even bother you. However, I've been searching for how to get to the footer stuff for two days now and the closest I've come to an answer (as far as I know) was here:

    Obviously, since I get nothing on my MediaWiki by following your instructions, I assume the almost-two-year-old post is no longer accurate. Could you please update that, redirect it to the current information, or reply to this post?

    Thanks in advance for your pity.

    With hands full of own hair,

    TalentedFool 23:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

    That post was out of date. Try Special:Allmessages instead. You'll find the footer stuff in there. Angela 23:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


    Last thing (I promise) - are you supposed to format it (i.e. center, align, etc.) in there too? Or would I find out about that by going to...?

    No, you should do the formatting in your stylesheet. For example, at MediaWiki:Monobook.css. I think the footer is centered by default if you're using the monobook skin. Angela 01:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
    Got it. Thanks again.

    Growth of Powerful Subcultures in WikipediaEdit

    Dear Angela,

    Good morning. Whilst I do not ask anything, I write to alert you to certain matters which are relevant for you because:-

    • you are a steward
    • in your 2005 election address one of your stated concerns is to "respect and maintain our core principles of neutrality, civility, freedom and openness,"
    • there are policy issues because it is unlikely established dispute resolution procedures are adapted to this situation

    Wikipedia is fascinating in that it facilitates the growth of powerful hierarchical sub-cultures operating on tribal lines. These can come to control Wikipedia content territorially to the exclusion of alternative views.

    Here I give one example to show how powerful such sub-cultures can become, that Wikipedia policies and rules are no barrier. If you want to know more, I am willing to document other examples for you. Possible solutions may arise from doing so. I am also going to try to use the normal procedures to see what happens.

    EXAMPLE:- Summary: An Administrator feels so well protected by one of these sub-cultures that he fabricates a complaint against another editor (engaging in vandalism to do so by deleting content), falsifies the record, blocks the other editor and maintains his stance even when challenged by other editors.


    • the other editor reports an incident fully documented with evidence to the Administrator's notice board [[27]]
    • the Administrator vandalises the report by deleting content which shows the report is well-founded[[28]]
    • the Administrator applies a false edit summary stating "Reverted edits" ... "to last version by Essjay" but there is no "last version by Essjay"
    • User:Essjay then improperly blocks the other editor [[29]] for no valid reason
    • when challenged by a third party editor [[30]] User:Essjay is so confident he will be protected he says "I suggest you raise the issue on AN/I; " and says "I stand behind my block of an IP address that was caught redhanded removing commentary from AN/I and harassing other contributors." Note however:-
    • the only commentary removed was by User:Essjay and none was removed by the blocked user
    • the evidence in the blocked user's documented AN/I report shows clearly he was not harrassing but was reporting harrassment, baiting and disruption by the user that User:Essjay here protects.
    • another third party editor asks User:Essjay to explain [[31]] but User:Essjay again provides no specifics. However, what he does say links the block directly to the blocked editor's AN/I report on Wikipedia.

    What I need to provide is detail for the social network linking various Administrators and users together to illustrate the existence of this example of one of the sub-cultures that are developing in Wikipedia and which enables this sort of thing to happen. A small part of the evidence of the existence of this sub-culture can be seen here [[32]]. User:Essjay simultaneously with imposing the improper block, surreptitiously deletes content from the blocked editor's talk page. That content is a small part of the evidence documenting the existence of the sub-culture.

    Whilst I use the signature [[[w:en:User talk:|| The Invisible Anon]]], I am the user who was blocked and I have been documenting some of the activities of this group.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Sincerely, [[[w:en:User talk:|| The Invisible Anon]]] 11:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

    I think you're being paranoid if you think your block has anything to do with subcultures. Please stop making sockpuppets and disrupting Wikipedia. Angela 09:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
    Good morning. Thank you for your perspective and I respect your right to hold it, whilst not sharing it. If you change your mind regarding my offer, please let me know. The sociological aspects of cyber-space sub-cultures are inspiring. And that is quite aside from the psychology of disembodied electronic "existence" and the ensuing interpersonal interactions. Further, a little reflection would indicate that if an editor was behaving as you describe, no Administrator would need to falsify the record to manufacture a reason for imposing a block. That an Administrator can do that with impunity is indicative of the position outlined regarding the existence of sub-cultures on Wikipedia.
    [[[w:en:User talk:|| The Invisible Anon]]] 08:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

    RFC ? Similar changes and some censorship on Rotary International pagesEdit

    (removed duplicate post, replied at en:User talk:Angela)

    did not notice your answer on the first time. Sorry and thanks, will study that. you may remove this now as I had your answer. I did not notice because the cookies do not connect you very well when you have multiple langages ID"s. Bye 10:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

    About wikinews Chinese versionEdit

    hi, Angela! According the community's consensus after a long time discussion, we start a new vote for opening the wikinews. Please pay attention to this vote and help to launch this project if the vote support to open. If you have any questions about this, please talk to me! thank you!--Vipuser 10:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

    This needs to be much more widely publicised. For example, in Wikizone, on the Wikinews and Foundation mailing lists, and on the Chinese Wikipedia. Angela 09:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
    Yes! We had put this notice in chinese wikipedia. so please care the progress of the vote. thanks!--Vipuser 14:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

    Problem with wiki-logo derivativesEdit


    I've made few pictures out of wikilogos and I'm wondering what to do now. I see that the rules on that are being worked on and I'm just wondering if you know when will it be done (estimate) and can I just upload those pictures and use them in the mid time?

    One of the pictures is already uploaded here. I wanted to use this for one of the templates on Polish Wikipedia.

    Thanks, Nux 20:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

    PS: If you could answer me here, I would be very grateful.

    OK. I'll try to contact him. Thank you for your quick reply.

    Best wishes, Nux 11:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

    About a spammerEdit

    Hi Angela, there is a spammer Talk:Spam He is spamming Turkish, English and Azeri wikipedis. I've posted in spam blaklist but there is no response yet. By the way, i want to thank you for reverting this Wheels move. Cheers--Ugur Basak 08:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

    haber18 is now blocked. Angela 06:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

    checkuser requestEdit

    Hello, I understand I can get IP information from you. I need the IP address of he:משתמש:מתקן שם מפגלות. He keeps creating new accounts and then vandelizes pages according to his creative name (the above translation is "political party name fixer" and here you can see him changing the names of political party articles). This user was of course banned ([33], at 11:53, 28 Feb 2006) and so were his other accounts (he:מתקן שם רה"מ, he:חותם בדפי שיחה). He apears every week or so, and we cant do anything about him. I intend to us the IP address to complain to his ISP company (they will warn him, and if he continues I will need the new IP so that they can close his connection). Hope this is enough info, Yonidebest 10:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC) (I'm a sysop at the Hebrew Wikipedia)

    I don't have CheckUser access on any Wikimedia sites. You need to ask at Request for CheckUser information. Angela 06:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
    That page is missleading: " please ask a steward for assistance" - I tought I need to ask personally. I will fix it.. Thanks, 10:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
    Not all stewards are CheckUsers. I've changed the heading of that page to make it clear. Angela 22:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


    Hi Angela: We're interested in interviewing you on More 4 News for a piece we're doing today on our news programme. Please call us on 020 7430 4626. Many thanks. Roz Upton, More 4 News.

    I only saw this 3 weeks after this message was posted since it wasn't at the end of the page. I'm guessing it's too late now. If not, my phone number is on Wikicities:User:Angela if you want to contact me. Angela 06:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

    administrator using privileges to harass others who challenge her editsEdit

    hi angela, i am user Marcosantezana, an obnoxius but nonetheless honest contributor to wiki. i am a professional and quite senior evolutionary biologist and have contributed repeatedly to various biology articles in wiki. now, over the last several days there has been an editing war going on at the natural selection article. i am writing to you because administrators have been using their powers to undo my contributions and to protect theirs. recently one of them protected the page to avoid that my friends defend my editings against her reversals after i was edit-blocked for one day. while i know i am not a saint i think that administrators should not abuse their powers to "win" editing wars that involve substance rather than clear vandalism. furthermore i have the impression that administrators are not limited to 3 reversals per day so she will always win her editing wars against non-administrators. btw, she got into a semi-imcompetent discussion with another non-qualified guy and then awarded their agreed-upon text a consensus status. you can follow the whole mess at the article's discussion page if you wish.

    additionally let me tell you that wiki gestapo edit-block enforcers do not ask any questions and behave almost like feudal thugs. after my friends posted in the article edits i had emailed them the gestapos imposed another day of blocking on me. wiki should not feel like a concentration camp. convictions and executions without hearings are medieval.

    finally i think that wiki should really consider making all contributions anonymous since too many people are here just to impose their views and shine in the brighest light at any cost. in the case of the natural selection article the guy in the "consensus" has even resorted to the argument that is not important what the scientific usage of the phrase is, since it is more legitimate the way most people use it.

    i really like wiki but it is in dire need of immunization against human petty pride and vanity. you should take a look at what many administrators write of themselves in their home pages. peacoks of the worst kind. an option would be to ask those who become administrators or have edited many articles to give up their personal pages and stop signing their contributions. best regards

    Perhaps you should try dispute resolution rather than going round writing insults about other users. Angela 01:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

    The above IP is a dynamic address;the entire range 128.54.74.** routes thru a floor WiFi @ this building. c what u can do, thanks in advance.

    Even dynamic IPs will be blocked if they are being used for vandalism. It's not currently blocked either here on on the English Wikipedia though, so you shouldn't have a problem if you use Angela 01:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

    Hi AngelaEdit

    Hi Angela, you remember me with the name Ahmad Najib Biabani, when for about 2 months ago i sent you an email requesting for the PHP language file of Pashto wikipedia to be translated.

    Now as i have done the job finished, now i dont know how i can turn the template of Pashto wikipedia which is in english into pashto.

    If you could assist me in installing the Language file, i would be thankful to u for this assistance.

    you can mail me at


    Ahmad Najib Biabani

    I think the best way to get this onto the site would be to submit it as a patch in MediaZilla: since a developer will need to check it and put it live. Angela 01:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

    Admin abuseEdit

    I was blocked indefinitelly on false accusations that I am user:Bonaparte. Please check and do the proper measures against Sysop en:Mikkalai. I see that is not the first case in which users are blocked by this sysop and no measure have been taken to stop his abuse of power. He uses his sysop power to block innocent people. I am user en:User:Alucard sepetdalv.Alucard sepetdalv 14:14, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

    He's unblocked you now. Angela 05:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

    I was also block by this cruel sysop. It's not his first mistake I suppose. He may be obsessed about Bonaparte. Some things must be changed immediately. I am user en:User:Excaliburo and I am 63 years old. I request a check user and immediately unblock like in the previous case. --Excaliburo 20:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

    To request unblocking, add "{{unblock}}" to your user talk page on the English Wikipedia. Angela 05:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

    Problems loading English WikipediaEdit

    Whenever I try to load the English Wikipedia, it freezes and displays "Read" at the bottom left corner of Mozilla Firefox, and it doesn't work with IE either. My internet is working fine, and so are the Wikipedias in other languages and all the other Wikimedia projects. I've tried clearing my cookies, but the page still won't load. -- King of Hearts 01:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

    Also, I can access every page on Wikipedia except the Main Page when not logged in, but I can't visit any place when I am logged in as wikipedia:User:King of Hearts. -- King of Hearts 02:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
    I'm guessing this was related to changes in your monobook.js supage. Someone has changed that now. Did that fix the problem? If not, have you tried using a different browser, or disabling javascript and seeing if that helps? Angela 05:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
    Thanks! It's working now. -- King of Hearts 16:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

    Strange situation on Russian wikipediaEdit

    One of vandals started anti-russian-wikipedia campaign in livejournal (

    Almost all of his IP's was blocked (I'm one of admins on ru-wiki).

    There also another abusive user (ru:User:Dart evader) who disputed with admins about this situation. In the heat of dispute he offended an admin (ru:User:Ramir), said Ramir is a stupid ("глупый") clown. Dart evader was repeatedly offend other users and permit himself personal attacks on another users, and previously was blocked for 1 week. So I blocked him for 2 weeks.

    Now return to first sentence about vandal. One of user publish his personal details based on info from Livejournal in Wikipedia. Dart_evader says that one cannot publish that information in wiki, and in this reply he offend Ramir and was blocked by me. Now Dart_evader's friends threats to me and Ramir that they will complain this to stewards and stewards will remove our admin rights.

    So, question is: What we have to do? Unblock Dart_evader? Remove personal information of vandal and unblock him?

    Please, help. --Jaroslavleff 20:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

    If he's vandalising, it seems perfectly fair to block him. However, I don't see why you'd need to write his personal details on this wiki. Was there a reason to do that? If not, perhaps you could just edit the page to remove them, which might calm him down. Angela 02:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
    Hello, Angela. This is Ramir. First of all, Dart evader is not as big a problem to the Russian Wikipedia (or me) as Jaroslavleff sees him: as others suggested, the guy apparently fails to restrain his bodily energies. Jaroslavleff mentioned a more important issue that I want to invite your attention to: I proposed a lawsuit as a way of dealing with our first case of serious vandalism (Aleksandr Shuspanov, nicknamed “5h00”, mentioned by Jaro above); my proposal sparked a nervious discussion, but I found no help in the community’s discussion of the issue. I have given a brief description of the situation and my point of view at Anthere’s user talk User talk:Anthere#Another viewpoint (sorry for not finding a more appropriate place). My question to you is the same: what do you, as a voice of Wikimedia Foundation, think of the proposal? All the best. Ramir 14:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
    It sounds like the user is not only vandalising, but also trolling. In which case, it's probably best to ignore him. I don't think making legal threats is going to help. What are the reasons for not blocking him? Is he making any edits that are not vandalism? Angela 15:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
    Yes, he is making some edits in several articles, especially about films and actors. But on talk pages his behavior is very annoying.... --Jaroslavleff 17:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
    Vlad, I am not talking about Dart Evader, I am talking about Shushpanov. Dart Evader is an easy case which we can manage locally. Ramir 09:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
    I gave an answer to “why not blocking” on Anthere’s user page: Shushpanov was not a user at all, i. e. not a participant: his only cause was to corrupt Wikipedia (from multiple IP-addresses and an anonymiser), as to undermine its reputation. Of course, we the sysops can stand on watch for anonymous edits 24/7, but that would not be sufficient if devoted vandals like that one come and make clever editions not easily discernable as vandalism. According to him, we failed to find and fix all of his work. Ramir 09:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
    Perhaps you could ask the Counter Vandalism Unit on the English Wikipedia for advice. Using the IRC feeds can help with finding vandalism, even from determined vandals. Angela 10:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

    Suggesting reformat of Proposals for new projectsEdit

    I have started tagging various proposals as inactive and/or redundant in hopes of possibly cleaning up the page. I was wondering what your opinion was on how long I should wait before committing to the ol' cut and paste? Also, in hopes of making the page more appealing to the eye, I have started on an alternate method of proposing new projects. It is still in the brainstorm phase, and I also understand that the Wikimedia board would most likely have the final say. I suggested this idea on the talk page of Meta:MetaProject to Overhaul Meta as it seems to be the most logically discussion ground for my idea. Any thoughts? Robert Harrison 03:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


    Thank you for your input. Robert Harrison 15:21, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

    Spam black list and censoringEdit

    I am assuming that you have some degree of common sense, and recognise that using the spam black list as a tool to censor out criticism of Wikipedia and pretend that Wikipedia has no opposition and is perfect is wrong. See: // 07:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

    Have you tried discussing this with Raul654 since he's the one who added it? I'm not going to remove it without knowing whether or not it has been used for spamming. Angela 14:09, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
    Raul654 was the person who removed it. It wasn't used for spamming. It was being added to the Criticism of Wikipedia article on en. Raul654 didn't want it added because it said some negative things about him and other administrators on Wikipedia. It was being used in people's talk pages who wanted to go somewhere to talk about Wikipedia freely. And it was being linked in Criticism of Wikipedia and Daniel Brandt and Seigenthaler, all of which were directly relevant to it, since Daniel Brandt used the forum to expose Chase as Seigenthaler's libeller. Put simply, we are talking about censorship, not spam. See: // 20:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

    Don't worry Angela, you are not the only one who got this request. Per their usual tactics, they've decided to ask multiple meta-admins and hope ones takes the bait. Mindspillage didn't fall for it. Raul654 22:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

    "Usual tactics"? Raul, is it really a mystery why I consider you to be a troll? To my knowledge, the only case even distintly related to this site is when I requested that be removed - on talk:spam blacklist, where I gave a clear argument and suggested that a nuetral admin review it, because you do have a quite personal reason for wanting the site to remain blacklisted. I did not, however, raise the issue on any admin's talk pages - I just left it there on the talk page of the blacklist. -- 16:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

    It is so very difficult to have a sensible conversation with you, Raul. I'd never talked to you before this, but now I can see why so many people think that you are such a corrupt, abusive power tripper. It is very sad to see you behave like this. I had hoped that you at least wouldn't be harassing Angela like this, and wouldn't stoop to such levels of bullying. 16:04, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

    Hello... I'm not Raul. Perhaps you could have this conversation at user talk:Raul654 instead? Angela 08:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
    I didn't want to talk to Raul. He was the one that brought it over here, not me. Since Raul has shown that he is the kind of person that likes to bully people and throw his weight around, there is seriously no point. First impressions tend to last, and my first impression of Raul is not good. 14:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

    User talk:Oscar:

    "... please create ..  :-) --Redagavimas 18:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)"

    28 March 2006 ... and 21.4.2006: is not valid.

    Please help. Language domain requests

    --Redagavimas 18:09, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

    Sorry, but I have no ability to create Wikimedia wikis. You need to find a developer. Angela 05:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

    Assistant requiredEdit

    Hai Angela,
    I am the bureaucrat in MS. I just make a mistake of upgrading user:Che090572 into +bureaucrat +sysop, when my intention is only to make him a sysop as he is only a new user (3 month). Can you advice me on how to remove the bureaucrat flag only. Sorry for the oversight. It was a slip of the mouse. I have posted this message in meta also. Yosri 12:31, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

    No problem. I'll fix that now. Angela 15:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
    villy already fixed it. Angela 15:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
    Thanks. I appreciate the fast response. Yosri 00:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

    Quenya and Sindarin proposals for WikipediasEdit

    Hello, Angela. I noticed your opposing to Quenya and Sindarin proposals for Wikipedias in these languages (Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Tolkien languages), so I would like to try to make you change your opinion by explaining you why should there be Quenya and Sindarin Wikipedias. :) You see, first of all, obviously there are people who would like to work on such projects. Then, Quenya and Sindarin are not just some stupid incomplete languages that some unknown person made in his child play, no! They are well known and well studied languages with a quite developed grammar and a quite of the vocabulary. The man who made them is well known and his works are known even better. His works are not just a part of the British culture, they are also a part of the universal culture of the entire mankind. Of course, if I created an artifact language and asked for a Wikipedia in it, it would certainly be rejected, and that’s the way it should be. But if my work becomes very popular as Tolkien’s, and if a great number of people start learning my artifact language, it will become a part of the universal culture and a Wikipedia in it may be opened. So Quenya and Sindarin are not just some artifact languages – they are part of our culture. A conversation can be made between a Russian who knows Quenya, but doesn’t know French, and a Frenchman who knows Quenya, but doesn’t know Russian. Don’t you think that such a language which works almost like Esperanto should have a Wikipedia in it? Beside, Quenya and Sindarin Wikipedias would be very interesting projects. They could show that Wikipedia is not just a birocratic project full with numerous rules and prohibitions, but also a community of people who work together on things that they are interested in. (Which is, as I believe, a little bit more important.) Many people who voted oppose Quenya and Sindarin Wikipedias were saying that writing in these languages is impossible, since these languages are incomplete and they don’t have enough words in their vocabularies. Of course, that’s not true at all, and as a proof of that, I’ve translated one small but interesting folk tale from the Balkans into Quenya! :) Really I don't see how could they say such thing when they don't know Quenya nor Sindarin, and they have never tried to write in them. They only think that Quenya and Sindarin are incomplete, but they actually don't know it for sure. I would never make a statement like that about something that I don't know for sure. On the other hand, I actually can say that Quenya is not incomplete at all, since I really speak it. (Although I don't speak Sindarin and I couldn't say so about it.) Hope you’ll give these Wikipedias even a small chance, George D. Bozovic 13:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

    A Balkan folk tale in Quenya: Hos quentë sa quen nér né úvaltorë ar sa lá man lá anta tulco tan. Yalúmessë quen lárëa nér mernë cenë ma sa anwa né, ar so nentë marillali ya so hehtanë i yantanna i úvaltorë taruva. Írë i úvaltorë utúlië har i yanta, equë so: “Rimba lúr taranen sina yantanna. Cé ma untúpuva hendunya, nyë ata taruva!” Ar so unutúpië hendurya ar atárië i yantanna. Tárala i yantanna, so yando atárië i marillar. :) George D. Bozovic 13:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
    Did you see the Klingon wiki? It's completely dead. What's the point of making another pointless wiki like this? If people so desperately want to write in these made up languages, they would do so on other sites, but they don't. Angela 11:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

    Hi, Angela. How are you? I regret to say that either my IP or I have been blocked from editing my page. Is there a way I can change my user ID? 22:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

    What is the IP and why were you blocked? Angela 00:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

    Hi NewEdit

    The templates, we probably made the same mistake (?). I wanted to add "looks useless" to New, but it was a redirect to H:new, which is still used. And the many links for Hi you saw were actually links to the redirect H:hns. I've cut the confusing redirects now, and added H:new to the new Category:Handbook templates. Both "hi" and "new" can sit and wait until somebody has a new idea how to use them. I've added the templates looks useless and checkup to Category:template, and Category:looks useless to Category:maintenance - one of the two categories, "useless" or "checkme", is probably redundant, but that's another problem. -- Omniplex (w:t) 10:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

    Why are you removing redirects? This is just breaking links. Those could still be linked to from otehr projects which commonly copy help pages from meta. Angela 15:56, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
    I'm cleaning up the Handbook templates, all nine links to H:new including the two from this page are literally "new" and in sight. Check out the edit history, it was moved in November and created in May 2005. If other projects still include it as new in their pages they have a local copy. -- Omniplex (w:t) 21:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
    There is no need to remove redirects. You have no idea what links you are breaking. What do you think is going to happen when those sites come to meta to get an update? They won't be able to find where new has gone because you've blanked the redirect. Angela 02:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
    What do you think is going to happen when those sites come to meta to get an update?
    They get either a help page where template:H:new (edittalklinkshistory) was already substituted, or one of the few pages where {{H:new}} is still used.
    They can't get a page where template:New (edittalklinkshistory) is still included, because no such page exists on Meta. If you think that's unclear let's simply create a category "obsolete redirect" for this and similar cases. It's not exactly the same as "checkme" or "looks useless". -- Omniplex (w:t) 15:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
    Why are the redirects obsolete? They still work. They still prevent links being broken. Is there a reason to remove them? Angela 16:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

    Problem on WiktionaryEdit


    I'm a user on Wiktionary, and have had my contributions deleted on two occasions now because users there find them offensive. The first time, I added three definitions (and sorry in advance for the language) "nigger baby", "nigger heaven", and "nigger roundup". The definitions aren't as bad as they sound, though. Discussion on them can be found here: Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Requests for deletion#Nigger baby. I included three sources for each definition, but they deleted them anyway and blocked me when I tried to recreate them because they wrote that they had "no value whatsoever".

    Earlier this week, I added quotes to the entries "fag" and "nigger" from Ernest Hemmingway, Gone with the Wind, and Raymond Chandler--among others--all found in the revered Oxford English Dictionary. Discussion on that can be found here: Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Beer parlour#Censorship. After they deleted those (and some of my other contributions), I had to actually raise the issue in the forum because the user, Steven G. Brown, didn't explain his actions at all but simply reverted me. When I tried to restore the quotations, he blocked me and protected the pages.

    Based on the discussions, it looks like everyone there are good friends and that they're not willing to criticize each other. This appears to me to be pure censorship, and I would be greatful it if you or someone else at the Foundation would be able to step in and meditate the dispute.

    Best wishes,


    Please stop trolling. If you want to contribute to Wiktionary, I am sure you can find a way to do so without disrupting the community. This is a serious attempt to create a dictionary, not some website to mess around on making up words to cause offense. Angela 02:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
    The first set are in the 20-volume Oxford English Dictionary--the most respectable source on English in the world and I had three sources per entry. Later, I added quotes to already-existing entries of the second set. They reverted them anyway and still haven't told me why! Wiktionary isn't censored for the protection of minors. Whether I take an interest--like many other non-trolls--in vulgar words does not make me a troll. The entry "nigger" in the OED has 183 quotes, so I'm confused why they would remove my perfectly-legitimate additions other than because they don't like to read about the word (in other words, censorship).--R.M.
    Perhaps people would take you more seriously if you logged in and weren't using a different open proxy for each edit. Even your messages here come from 3 different IPs, all of which are blocked on Wikipedia. Angela 12:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

    Why banned on meta?Edit

    I am a bit confused why my user account User:Blissyu2 got banned from meta. The explanation given, that I was "trolling" is nonsensical. I was contributing to meta. Yet a meta admin just decided to ban me because he disagreed with my sub pages, then wiped my sub pages because he said that they were written by a banned user. But that is circular logic. The sub pages were discussing policy, which is precisely what meta is for. I thought it was quite bizarre, and suppression of the truth. I think that Wikimedia needs to realise that critics don't hurt Wikimedia, they help Wikimedia. It's rogue admins, like the ones behind w:Wikitruth that hurt the project, and flawed processes, which critics try to address that really are hurting it. I think its sad that Wikimedia keeps shooting itself in the foot like this, allowing people who are destroying the project, yet banning the few people that actually care about it.

    For reference: 10:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

    Please stop trolling. Are you really surprised than ranting about a perceived "cabal" would get you banned? Angela 13:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
    You regard that as trolling? I would have posted the evidence, but it is against Wikimedia's policies to reveal such information. They would have regarded it as a personal attack. Now I see what you are like too. You justify the most obviously unfair block imaginable by using the word "troll". I shall not bother you again, as the corruption is obvious. 13:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

    Admin AbuseEdit

    Dear Angela,

    I would like to ask your help about two admins' discretionary actions in Turkish Viki. The article in question is Fethullah Gulen Turkish version. One of the admins Citrat is deleting and vandalizing the article without discussion and misusing his priviliges by thereatening me with block, deleting and distorting my contributions on the Village Pump, reverting the contribution by other users in contrast to the community consensus, etc. To make the life easier to him, another one, who with minimal community support, blocked my account for no-legitimate reason. You can check my contributions to see that, I have no violations of the regulations at all. I was wondering if you could look at the case quickly and help me to unblock my account. How can I file my complaint about them regarding their misuse of admin priviliges. In Turkish Wiki, it does not look to be possible and reasonable. The admin Dbl2010 is taking the issue very personally because we had some disputes before, and now he blocked my account.

    What has happened this time: I started a straw poll and announced in the village pump. He was not around for months and suddenly right after it, he wrote a note and explicitely attacked me personally by calling me as a troll because I am starting a straw poll and he asked the people for not voting... I replied back implying that he is closer to being a troll, not me. Then he made up some rules and claimed that I am violating the rules although it is not the case.

    I would like you please consider removing their admin priviliges as they are not letting ordinary editors edit. After my 3 days block, admin Citrat changed the article to a version he likes without a discussion. It was the version supported by community for a long time as can be seen from history of the page. I do not think that it is ethical. He is deleting my edits without discussion, treatening me with block, and reverting, and distorting my edits even in Village Pump, acting as a side and also an admin at the same time, etc. as documented above. In the note, the one which Citrat was trying to delete, I posted to Village Pump, I was asking the community to contribute to the page about Gulen which is the article in question.

    Again I would like you please consider seriously removing their admin priviliges as they are not letting ordinary editors edit. The mechanism in the Turkish Viki is not working to deal with this discretionary actions and misuse of priviliges problems because of the number of admins and attitudes of some of them.

    Best, Rgulerdem 05:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

    Hey Angela, I already explained to Oscar but in case you need the real version of all the accusation above, I would be glad to answer. --Özgür 07:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
    If Oscar's already dealing with this, there's no need to add the same message here. Angela 10:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
    Dear Angela, I posted this message to his talk page far ago. I have not got a response yet, as you can realize from his page. I thought, he is busy. I would appreciate if you could look at this important issue quickly, as Oscar is not dealing with the issue. Thanks in advance. Rgulerdem 03:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

    New attack for an indefinite blockEdit

    Dear Angela, the administrator I wrote you about (Özgür or Dbl2010) started a new attack to me. This time, he is complaining about me that I am writing to you about his actions. He is interpreting and presenting my correspondence with you to the community in a way that, I am devaluating the credibility of Turkish Wikipedia by complaining about some of the admin's actions.

    Meta is part of the Wikipedia and as far as I understood, it is designed to deal with those kind of issues among some others. He is suggesting an indefinite block in his statements for my account. I have no violations as you can easily see from my contributions. I hope you can take some actions about his last attack to me, as quicly as possible. Please note that I did not get any response from Oscar yet and you are the only person I keep talking to.

    Best, Rgulerdem 22:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

    Hi Angela, after his block expired, he is still in same behaviour. So I decided to go to our communtiy and I asked to about their thoughts and people are replying at the moment. I especially asked to all active sysops to reply on the issue. And yes it might come into a point that he can be endup with an undefinite block accordint to our blocking policy. (Btw, I didnt ask for an undefinite block as he claims ). I am ready to answer any accusation as I said before. Just waiting you to ask me. I already lost a lot of my time about the issue and trying to not lost more. Meanwhile, for quick check about him, if you need, his block logs at english wp.
    Also you can see his Tr blocks:
    Cheers. --Özgür 22:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

    Dear Angela, I will try explain his accusations and tactics a little bit further to make the case claear to you:

    ...Benim asil suç duyurumun temeli, Vikipedi dahilinde ki eylemlerinin yanisira, Rgulerdem'in Türkçe Vikipedi'nin haricindeki Vikipedi aleyhine yaptigi eylemleri: Rgulerdem, hemen hemen her ciddi engelleme sonrasi Vikinin merkezi olan Meta'daki üst düzey yöneticilere sikayette bulunmustur. Benim bildiklerim 4 tane....

    You can use an online translator from Turkish to English, but I will translate this for your convenience:

    ... The main basis of my accusations here is Rgulerdem's actions against Turkish Wikipedia in the outside media, besides his action here in Turkish Wikipedia. Rgulerdem after almost any significant block, filed a complaint to Meta. I have known just 4. ...

    and also:

    ... Vikipedi idaresini kötüleyen sözleri ile Vikipedi'nin adini kötülememektedir....

    ...He is devaluating the credibility of Turkish Wikipedia by blaming on the admins here...

    He is apparently stating that his main accusation about me is for filing complaints against their actions to Meta which is part of the Wiki media, and designed for also these kind of discussions. What should an ordinary editor do if s/he cannot solve the problem with the same few admins in an environment with a small amount of editors and admins. He is also identifying the 'admins' with the 'credibility of Turkish Wiki' which is the main mistake done by almost all dictators.

    And in the statement below you can find his tactic:

    ... Rgulerdem'in Vikipedi:Engelleme politikasi Madde 10 geregi süreli cezalandirilmasinin gerektigini düsünüyorum. ...

    ... Based on the Vikipedia: Bolcking policy, item 10, I believe he should be punished for some time.... The word he used 'sureli' (for some time) is out of context here and sounds like the word 'surekli' which means 'permanent'. Some editors responding his message understood the statement as a 'permanent block' and responded accordingly.

    I should accept that my account was blocked on English Wiki and unblocked later. After all, my actions are punished if they are wrong. I did not get any warning from the admins after my account has been unblocked. What he is trying to do is, to create similar atmosphere around me to justify his blocks. He is blocking my account for no legitimate reasons to justify his possible further blocks as he is doing now by using my block log. His block was completely unjustified and he is not even bothering to answer why he blocked my account. I am sure that he can find some distorted rules and claim that I violated them, but you will easily see that they are all his interpretations and not legitimate. The real reason as I explained above is that I responded back when he deliberately called me as troll, which is a personal attack, after I started a straw poll.

    The bottom line is, as part of Wiki media, Meta is an address for the editors who think that they are experiencing difficulties because of admin abuse of privileges. In this case, an admin is trying to use my complaint here about his actions as a main reason to block my account.

    Thanks again. Rgulerdem 00:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

    I can not help you. You quite obviously need to change your behavour. If you can not, then I expect your block will be made permanent. I have never before seen someone blocked by 14 different admins on the English Wikipedia! If you can not or will not abide by the policies on these wikis, you are not welcome to continue trying to edit them. Angela 06:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
    I would prefer you decide based on the documentation provided above, related to the admin abuse, not by refering to my old block log. The issue is discussed by the admins involved and my account is unblocked. Does that make any difference in your opinion? I think what I am trying to tell you is that, I do not violate the policies, facing to admin abuse of privileges. While the admin abuse is appearent from the diffs I provided, it is strange that you are ignoring those and refering my old blocks to make a decision. It is also very strange that you sound like supporting a block which is based on 'me informing you about an issue'. What can I say: thanks anyways... Rgulerdem 07:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


    The User:Jason Gastrich page is being vandalized . . . and so is my user and discussion pages, now. Please help deter the vandals. --Ruth Ginsling 21:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

    User Ruth Ginsling is a sock puppet of User Jason Gastrich, who is banned from the English Wikipedia for using sock puppets among other offenses. The "vandalism" is in posting the notice of the ban on Gastrich's page. According to Gastrich, truth is vandalism.
    It's ironic that he's running to the authorities WHILE sockpuppeting, to complain about the truth being posted about him. The vandalism on "Ruth"'s page is saying hello to Jason. Talk page discussion as vandalism ... well, even discussing anything critical is considered vandalism to him. It's not like we're swearing all over the page and posting lewd pictures. Would you like to initiate an RFCU on Gastrich and Ginsling? (unsigned comment from

    LT wikisource.orgEdit

    Please help.

    Language domain requests

    --Redagavimas 21:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

    You need to find more supporters for that language first. Angela 20:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

    Please Change my User NameEdit

    My user name is fogonthedowns, and I have too much personal info on my user page. Please change my user name from fogonthedowns to z347GJi thanks.

    On which project? If you mean the English Wikipedia, you need to ask there whilst logged in to proove you really are that user. You can request this on w:Wikipedia:Changing username. Angela 14:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


    Hi, I have a question regarding usage of Wikimedia Commons logo. When I uploaded a photo that includes it on commons it started a discussion about whether it violates Wikimedia copyright. Could you please take a look at it and give your opinion and/or permission to use the logo? If it is required I wouldn't mind transferring the image copyright to the Foundation. Thanks, che 15:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

    Since it includes the commons logo, you do need permission to make this sort of deriviative image. You can't license an image under a creative commons license unless you have the rights for all of the elements of the image. Angela 20:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

    Name changeEdit

    Hi Angela,

    I have tried unsuccessfully to change my user name,, to G62482. How do I do this?

    Thanks Chris

    Any bureaucrat can do that. If you want to change it on the English Wikipedia, use w:Wikipedia:Changing username, but make sure you log in before you make the request. Angela 20:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

    Quenya againEdit

    Did you see the Klingon wiki? It's completely dead. What's the point of making another pointless wiki like this? If people so desperately want to write in these made up languages, they would do so on other sites, but they don't. Angela 11:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

    They don't?! There's even Google in Quenya: [34] (although unofficial). There are many, many sites with Quenya poetry and texts, thousands of people around the world study this language and write in it! There are numerous forums and mailing lists and even many magazines written in Quenya, e. g. w:Parma Eldalamberon or w:Tyalië Tyelelliéva. --George D. Bozovic 11:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

    De-adminship because of violation of "administration ethics"Edit

    How do you think, if an administrator violates so-called "administration ethics", but does not violate any Wikipedia rule, may administration privileges be dropped? --Jaroslavleff 16:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

    This is up to the wiki concerned. If you mean en, this sort of thing is up to the arbitration committee. Angela 22:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

    Delete user pageEdit

    Dear Angela,

    I am sorry for being here, but I have no one to complain about it in Wikipedia of Portuguese language. I want to delete my users pages there but administrators and bureaucrats do not want to do that. I got a tag to delete it and they blocked my page. It is not right. I want my userpagers to be deleted. Please, could you help me? Vr22 19:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

    I don't know what the policies are on that wiki for deleting user pages. Have you asked them if it can be blanked? Talk pages should usually be kept so people can track what has previously been discussed with a user. Angela 22:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
    They don´t want to delete anything, but there are no written rules against it. Thank you. Vr22 20:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
    I was defamed there and I don´t want that my details get there (and in its historics) anymore. Do you know anyone that can help me, please? Vr22 22:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

    (sorry for my English) Hi, all pages from that user are blanked an protected by me. Portuguese Wikipedia don't have any rules related to deletion of main user page and this editor don't have contributed to talking about it, only demanded, demanded and demanded deletion. Current all usernames from that user has been renamed to another ones, later request made by himself to one of bureaucrats; the userpages aren't moved to the new username. The pages on question are <removed>, pt:Usuário:VRS and pt:Usuário:Vespa. 555 00:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    See my historic and my editions, please. Vr22 00:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    Here I found out that others users pages were deleted, but bureaucrat refused to help me and difamed. This sysop blocked me without any reason. Vr22 01:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    If you've left the project, does it matter whether your user page is kept or not? You weren't using a real name, so there's no privacy issue. Angela 11:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    Hi Angela. I hope it's okay to respond to your email here. The user wanted to speedy delete his user page; we don't have rule that permit doing it and personally, I think we should stay like that. The user asked me to rename the three acounts mentioned above and I did so. Sorry for my english. Regards. Juntas 10:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

    Angela. I think the only way for it is Right to vanish. If you want I can send you further information about mine and about what happened by e-mail. Thank you very much. Vr22 11:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
    Angela, please, to prevent impersonation, I ask also to block permanently those accounts. Thank you. Vr22 11:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
    This is up to the admins on that wiki to do if they think it's necessary. Angela 03:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
    I do not edit in that wiki anymore. Bureaucrats (pt) won´t help me. I prefer not to request anything more there. They do not respect rules. Vr22 18:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

    farsi salisEdit

    hi !

    can you help me to creat Fs wiki ? i want creat my language in wiki , if you can show me samples i can use that for this..... --Sh-gh 05:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

    i want creat wiki in my language but i can't find any request form , may you help me? my language farsi salis is tehranian peopel wiki have farsi language , farsi dari & ther farsi language but don't have salis --Sh-gh 06:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    Have you discussed this with anyone on the Farsi Wikipedia? Is there much demand for it? Is it a significantly different language from the one at w:fa:? There is information on how to start a new language at Help:How to start a new Wikipedia and a new wiki at where you can add content in languages not launched yet. Angela 11:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    hi again i can't found any info about this in persian wiki , and persian wiki users don't want farsi salis wiki , but we want that , farsi salis is only for orginal iranian peopel but more peopel speak farsi (persian) , Persian Wikipedia (farsi) is for all farsi user (iranian , persian , afghanian , pakistanian , ozbak & ...) and we (farsi salis spoken) our wiki , and we don't have enough information , may i have your help in this case? --Sh-gh 13:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    This seems more like a joke to me. The written Persian is called Farsi salis as opposed to colloquial Persian, which is NOT used in articles in Persian wikipedia, much like English or any other language. If somebody reads Persian texts exactly the way they are writen it is called FArsi Salis, for example the news is in farsi salis.

    An English analogy would be something like this: "I am going to go there!" If I read it loudly as "I am gonna go there" then it is NOT salis If I read it loudly as "I am going to go there" then it is salis.

    Tehranian accent or any other accent manifests itself in colloquial and spoken language. Persian written standard has been the same for past thousand years and is the same among all accents in all parts of the world. There isn't even any orthographic disagreement!

    Behaafarid 22:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

    P.S. I am a sysop in Persian Wiki fa:user talk:Behaafarid and available fo any further questions.
    Thanks for the explanation. Angela


    I just discovered the "Incubator" wiki. When did this happen? It looks like the edit histories are being moved from Meta along with the content, so it's not clear when the wiki actually opened. - dcljr 06:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    Oops, I forgot the main reason I was posting on your page here: Do you think it would be helpful/acceptable to edit Talk:Main Page over there to link sigs to the correct user pages at Meta? If so, I can do this. - dcljr 06:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
    Content was imported from meta, which makes it look like it's been there longer than it really has. It was actually created on June 1st. See the discussion on foundation-l for more details. I do think it would be useful to modify the sigs to point somewhere more useful. Angela 11:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
    Done. - dcljr 06:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


    Hi Angela. I accidentally deleted your email, so I'm answering right here. The user in question (pt:<removed>) is playing all of us like fools. He has ignored all suggestions, all procedures, besides creating dozens of usernames god-knows-why-or-what-for. He also failed to point a link between the real name or a real fact of his life. By practice, we @pt don't delete userpages (in fact, talk pages are *not* deleted by any circumstances, AFAIK). Also, there was *no* humiliation elsewhere, as he failed to point out, and keeps mentioning it. In fact, I'm tired of this guy. Mail me again, if you want to discuss this further, I'm kinda busy these days to come to WP. Best wishes Angela, all the best. Nuno Tavares 23:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    BTW, The link he provided claiming that other people's pages were deleted is misleading: those were *not* users at the time, but ghost pages. I'm even almost sure that it was me who discovered them (BD query) and deleted them. Nuno Tavares 23:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

    It is not true. He is defameing me again. Vr22 22:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

    I did not creat those usernames. Vr22 22:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

    Message in Portuguese: Eu não criei aquelas páginas de usuários e fui difamado aqui novamente. O burocrata Nuno Tavares está fazendo inúmeras acusações sem prova alguma. De onde ele tira essas informações? Vr22 22:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC) Eu criei, depois que eu deixei o projeto, três usernames somente para apagar dados a meu respeito. Vr22 22:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

    I created three usernames, after I left the project, to delete informations about me. Vr22 22:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

    Angela I sent you my name, address and I can send you my telephone number too. I am telling the truth. Vr22 23:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

    Note: There are no written rules against delete user page, talk page and personal informations in Wikipedia of Portuguese language. Vr22 22:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

    Angela. If it is possible, I request the right to vanish. Thank you very much. Vr22 22:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

    Making sockpuppet accounts and then asking them to be deleted isn't going to help the situation. I've emailed the bureaucrats on that wiki so they are aware of your views, but it's up to them to decide how to apply the policies of their wiki to this situation. If you are adding information about yourself, it's hardly a violation of privacy you chose to write that content. Angela 03:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
    Who write information about me here was a sysop and a bureaucrat. I have not told my name here. I am not adding information about myself in any place. I do not want to delete any sockpuppet, but information about myself. Thank you. Vr22 11:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
    There are no policies against delete personal informations there, but they refused to help me.Vr22 11:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
    Note I wrote informations about myself only by e-mail. Vr22 12:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
    That is a bureaucrat abuse. Anyone have to do anything. Vr22 18:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

    Using Checkuser Privileges for "Dragnet" purposesEdit

    This seems to be happening now at Wikinews[35].

    • About 4 of the requested user names were found to be in a different country; the other 10 or so were anons in Toronto. The person with Checkuser privilege, CSpurrier, reported information to the community about an alltogether different user "Factchecker" (for which there was no request at all for the use of checkuser) which he came upon during his check of the anons. There seems to be little if any actual vandalism involved and the checkuser requester, Amgine, has had an ongoing feud with the supposed sockpuppeteer,Neutralizer, who he recently blocked for 3 weeks. Can this apparently blatant abuse of the checkuser privilege be stopped? 23:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
    Upon further research it seems that the "infraction" committed by the majority of the anons who were subjected to Checkuser was this edit which they placed on Amgine's talk page in an attempt to disclose what they felt was an unbecoming edit by an Admin which had been erased from Wikinews' history;

    What Amgine said about Australians [36] "Simeon edits from Australia, a continent populated entirely by criminals! And, as a criminal he would expect that we would not trust him, so obviously we cannot drink from the glass in front of us.."- Amgine/talk 03:54, 11 May 2005 (UTC). 00:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

    I don't have anything to do with checkuser. Anthere is proposing a sort of ombudsman position for this which might help to deal with this sort of issue. See the recent discussion on foundation-l about it. Angela 03:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

    Pithy name change requestEdit

    Greetings, Angela - hate to bother you over a small matter, but can you change my username to User:BD2412? I've had this done on the other wikiprojects where I have accounts for privacy reasons - a particular banned user seems to have added me to his mailing list, and after Gator1's resignation over similar issues, I'm skittish to keep putting myself out so far. Cheers! (intentionally left unsigned for the aforementioned reasons)

    Considering you have 9 edits here under your old name, wouldn't it be better to just start using the new name instead of renaming the old account. If you rename the old one, the two will be linked in the rename log, whereas that won't be the case if you just start over with the new name. Angela 23:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    Point taken - please delete my old user page and talk page here, then. Cheers! BD2412 04:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
    Ok. I've deleted those. Angela

    User talk:Oscar ..  :-)

    Merci. --Redagavimas 21:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

    new, dumb userEdit

    i don't know how to talk to angela -- where to click on to make a new question page. sorry i am posting here. there is problem with a page.

    There's a + sign at the top of the talk page that you can use to post a new section. Angela

    1. when we make one sentence change, it reverts immediately back. we cannot even change a single word, from "eight" to "ten";

    Are you citing a source for that change? Perhaps the person reverting it believes it to be false or vandalism? Angela

    2. then, we go back and change it again, and in 1 minute it reverts back;

    Please discuss it on the talk page of whatever article you're talking about. Don't just keep reverting. There is a policy against that. Angela

    3. we talked to admin month ago who said it was NOT VANDALISM and we could change a sentence or a word. then, when you go back to change a sentence or word -- it is automatically changed back or the other writers change --

    No changes are automatically changed back. Angela

    4. however, then we are blocked and the other users keep on changing out posts -- they are never blocked.

    Yes, you will be blocked if you keep reverting. You need to discuss the edits and find out why they are being reverted. Angela

    5. i called wikipedia in 310 and told them that the people changing this this wikipedia change -- and the administrator banning anyone who changes even a single word -wikipedia is for everyone to change a single word -- these people are gun carrying criminals from ohio who are using wikipedia to link to a myspace and internet fan CD selling site to solicit fans for money. the person at wikipedia in 310 area code stopped the links --

    I don't know what "wikipedia in 310" means. Angela

    6. can you STOP THE ADMINS from stopping ANYONE from changing a word. if you change a word, they change it back in 1 min. if you go back and change a word again, they change it back in 1 min. and warn you. that is not what wikipedia is about. PLUS, these people are soliciting people for money and using wikipedia to link -- which is why the 310 WIKIPEDIA REP REMOVED THE LINKS. can you pls STOP ESKOG WHO IS BLOCKINGE EVERYONE WHO EVEN CHANGES ONE WORD, and the ohter person: hoopydink. they are allowing these criminals -- with web sites featuring guns -- to STOP OTHER WIKIPEDIANS from changing one word.


    search for: Bizzy Bone.

    thank you.

    I don't know which edits you're talking about. If you mean adding silly comments rather than encyclopedic content, like [37], then that will be reverted. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not some playground where you can write whatever you like. Perhaps the tutorial at w:Wikipedia:Tutorial would help? Angela 03:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

    User Group Rights Change for Persian wiki/ Page creation restricted to signed up UsersEdit

    Hi Angela: Persian wikipedia has had a big problem of copyright violation by anonymous users (IP's) for a long time. This is partly due the fact that Iran has not signed international copyright agreement and the contributors (being mostly from Iran) are not much "copyright aware". Currently there are 3.5 active sysops and a big chunk of their time is spent deleting/tagging copyright vios (a big part being New pages) by IP's.

    Of course once people decide to stay longer and create accounts it is easier to track them and tell them about Copyright vios.

    There is consensus amongst the sysops (3 of them, that .5 part I am not sure!) that Page creation has to be restricted to registered users. I am sure that many active users agree as well (as they have mentioned this here and there). I can provide you with an official poll result if you want.

    As I understand we need someone with stewardship status to do the job. Persian wiki has only Bureaucrats. Can you please tell us what we should do? Behaafarid 07:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC) (My talk page on Persian wiki: fa:user talk:Behaafarid)

    This isn't something stewards can do. You need a developer, but they might not be willing to do it without some sort of approval, and I'm not convinced 3 admins saying it is enough. Perhaps you should ask someone on the Board, like Anthere, about it. Angela 12:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
    Thanks. Behaafarid 02:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

    trust on WikipediaEdit

    Hi I got your contact from meta's embassy. :) This is Cathy from Hong Kong working on a research about trust on Wikipedia. I wonder if you would kindly contact me at I'd like to chat with you about Wikipedia of your language. Would you kindly drop me your email or IM (Skype, MSN, AIM or ICQ)? It wouldn't take more than ten minutes, but it would help enormous for us to understand the overall trust-based social landscape of Wikipedia. Thank you!

    censorship in es.wikipediaEdit

    Hi, I was banned in the

    According to it is indicated in “banning users is quite rare”

    The reason is: |Wikipedia: Dont' disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point.

    My |editions do not consist of |vandalism nor of |provocation (Troll) The conflict does not arise by the edition of articles but in votings. In my opinion this is censorship and is a situation generalized in

    I rather do not consider me a |Controversial contributor, but a censured publisher. I agree that “...this community exclusion phenomena is contrary to the community inclusive policy.”

    I have had problems for the |deletion of my personal information and they deny the |name change to me.

    I have tried to initiate the |recommended practices to solve the conflict and only I have obtained |insults and due to the banned, not even I can accede to my talk page nor to the IRC. In this situation not that I can do, if it can indicate it to me very I will be been thankful him.

    es.Mjoseph http:   Manuel Joseph (discusión   Email) 13:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

    Are there any users you trust on that wiki who you could ask for help? It would be easier to find a Spanish speaker thta for me to try and work out what's going on. Angela 05:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
    Thanks for your attention and sorry for my bad nor polite English (Google translator assistance). The 06/22 I have initiated one AMA Request for Assistance [38] asking for the some Spanish reader. I ignore if there is some form to do it in Meta. There are some publishers in who have been expelled or they have been exilied of [39] Would wish to know if there is some directive of the foundation on the resolution of conflicts to which the local projects must adapt. Due to my experience in the IRC, I do not trust any of the bureaucrats of nor the possibility of solving this conflict in this local project. This is because there is a majority current that labels as “soft” the reasonable librarians. The main problem is based in the deprivation of rights in the votings and the application of the policies. In the strategy of the provocation is used to be able to sanction the novices and to the veterans simply it expels them with object not as much to avoid the vandalism but to prevail to them of the vote right. The publishers are censured by their ideas, not by their editions. In this situation I believe that some type of consensus exists, but is not the consensus of an open community.   Manuel Joseph (discusión   Email) 06:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
    There isn't any directive from the Foundation about this. It's up to local projects to develop their own ways of dealing with conflicts. Angela 02:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

    Thanks, in this case I resign. I do not have desire to bother and I already have enough work with my life and my projects.   Manuel Joseph (discusión   Email) 05:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

    a question!Edit

    Hi angela. The Administrator Essjay deleted one audio that I uploaded in Commons, but the reason is not correct.

    09:46 18 jun 2006 Essjay borrado "Image:Es-GobernadorVirasoro-Article.ogg" (Category:Images with unknown source as of unknown date 2006)

    I put the audio on the GFDL and all was correct.

    This person is erasing images at will.

    On his discussion page he wrote: I suggest you run for admin and fix the problem yourself; you'll find that trying to notify 100,000 people of the pending deletion of 12,000 images is a job nobody can do. If you're worried about images being deleted, send your people to look through the categories and fix problems. I'm sick of being yelled at for doing my job. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 02:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

    If he is nervous or stressed, he could take a holidays, but no deleting images that are correct. I used my valuable time to create that audio and this person nor if it wants to tell me that the image was erased.

    Erase that audio was a violation to the GFDL license. Please, ask him to recover my audio.

    Thanks for taking your time to read my message.


    Loco085 07:33, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

    I don't know the reasons it was deleted. Perhaps it was not tagged correctly? If you are sure it is GFDL and it was mistakenly deleted, you could re-upload it. Angela 05:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
    He recover the image, thank you for your help, Loco085 17:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


    Hi, I see that in Albanian Wikibooks has no Administrator and in this time some new user with ID: Fiks or ip is disturbing and I cant contact any one to help me block this user or du something. Can you help me somehow? Thanks Id: Puntori

    ( 16:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC))

    If you want temporary adminship to deal with the problem, please ask at requests for permissions. Angela 12:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

    Wikipeople, etcEdit

    Is there a project for non-notable people? I was reading some old messages, but they are, well, old! Whatever happened? I think Wiki(people who fail notability) is a great idea. I'd be interested in doing what I can to help that out. WikiTree is well, just awful. Wjhonson 14:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

    There's Wikitree and Wikiasite:Genealogy for genealogical type information, but I don't think a wiki for non-notable people is a good idea. If they're non-notable, there are no reliable sources for the information about them. If there are no sources, how will you know whether the information is true or whether it's libellous? There used to be another one called biojack but the domain has now gone, so I guess it wasn't successful. Angela 06:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
    Hey I'm already hitting that wall on people *I* think are notable but are only represented in a few, rather obscure sources :) People say "I've never heard of x x! They don't get any google hits!"
    Anyway, as far as verifiable, there could be a rule that a person has to cite the sources to like say, the US Census online, or marriage databases online, or other things posted by third parties :) There's already a lot of stuff like that. Or I could just wait until the owners of WikiTree win the lottery and upgrade their servers! Thanks for the response :)Wjhonson 05:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

    What must admin do with disputed photo?Edit

    There is a photo on Russian Wikipedia: ru:Изображение:CableCarPassengersGelendzhik05Jul2006.jpg.

    It was made by "Olimp" company that serves cable-way represented on the photo.

    ru:User:Mithgol the Webmaster says that "Olimp" company delegated exclusive rights on this photo and confirm that by Quicktime video, where company representative verbally says that he in the name of company delegate exclusive right to ru:User:Mithgol the Webmaster.

    But accordingly to Russian copyright laws such delegation must be drawn as written contract, so license status of this photo is unclear. I consider we (I mean, Wikipedia) actually have no rights to publish that photo. By the way, Russian copyright laws does not provide so called "fair-use" of copyrighted media.

    I sayed that if in 7 days the documents about rights delegation will not be shown, then I will delete that photo because of its copyrighted status. Then bureaucrat ru:User:Drbug arised and sayed that he will not allow deletion of that photo.

    So, I need to know stewards' (your) opinion about this case.

    What do you think about this? --Jaroslavleff 09:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

    Dear Angela, I don't know exact intentions of Mr. Jaroslavleff, and why he wishes to compromise me, but I feel it necessary to defend my honor and cite my own words: "Если хочешь - выноси на суд общественности. Самовольно удалять крайне не рекомендую." (in Russian); translation: "If you wish, you would introduce it to the community for judgement. I strogly do not recommend you to delete it on your own sole discretion." It is my advice, and it does not matter at all whether I'm bureaucrat or not. As for the image, I have already started a discussion at Commons wiki Village Pump] (the situation is not as easy as stated by Mr. Jaroslavleff, he is not a lawyer, and so I suppose the discussion will long some time and may lead to some significant changes in Ru Wiki policies), and I'm planning to start it later in Ru Wiki. Also I would like to mention, that the discussed image is not mine. Thank you for understanding. Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 10:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

    Block for vandal Node ue, he acted on purpose like the worst decaying vandal, shame on you kid!Edit

    Forged information posted by User:Node ueEdit

    Following the (long waited) reply from the customer service of, the following post by User:Node ue is officially considered forged. Here is the message I received from the customer service of <snip>

    Also, note that the "screen shot" below features a signature by We know now that the signature is forged. So, either some super-spy cracked, of User:Node ue forged the message himself. Shouldn't this guy be banned? Dpotop 19:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

    And do you have proof that you did not forge the e-mail from customer care? I provided full headers for the e-mail you sent me for verification to people on Wikipedia-l. None of them accused me of forgery. So either I am a techno-genius, or you really did send me that e-mail. I'm guessing the latter. --Node ue 03:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
    So what are you saying is that the person working for Yahoo is lying and you're not?'re cought again with lies, and you deserve to be banned for good for your offensive act of forgery. --Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 06:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

    You should take it up with an Administrator, as I saw Jmabel described such forgery as an extremely grave offensive against Wikipedia standards. Node's foul tactics should certainly not go unpunished. - Anclation

    I agree with Node ue's blocking. He should pay for his offensive act of forgery. --Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 16:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

    Are Yahoo's people lying and Node ue not???Edit

    Kid Mark Williamson, I've told you many times that you lost your credibility long time ago. Now, with your last offensive act like impersonating persons you reached an end of it. Me and others will make all the possible to make you pay for it, you'll get banned for this I'm pretty sure. Your last warning passed long time ago. --Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 06:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

    Angela, where are you? how much time you'll tolerate such a offensive bahaviour of node ue? You should ban him. --Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 16:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

    Don't forget Angela about our request. We will come again until it will be solved. --Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 15:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

    What are you requesting I do? I can't stop node-ue sending emails. Angela

    New messages on wfmEdit

    Hi, [[wikimediafoundation:org/wiki/User talk:Angela#Spring-cleaning you've got mail] :) [40]]! jd  09:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

    Adminship on WMFEdit

    Hi, thank you! It may sound dull but I'm honored you (meaning, You and Anthere) trust me.
    I'll be on vacation until 16th, so I won't start anything on the foundation website before this date. Now, I can't back down or backfire! Folks on #wikimedia are of great help anyway :) jd  00:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

    Interview with MIT project?Edit

    Dear Angela, I saw your name on the Wikimania confereence attendees. I'm wondering if you'd be interested in doing a video interview with us about your work. We're making a short educational documentary about Wikipedia for Project New Media Literacies, a MacArthur-funded research initiative at MIT's Comparative Media Studies program. The vieo is meant for jr high and high school kids, and it's meant to demystify media production (we've already done some other videos in our series about comicbooks, graffiti, radio documentary, and blogging). We'll be coming to Wikimania, but we'd really like to pre-schedule some interviews so we don't get lost in the excitement of the goings-on. Please have a look at my post on the Media section Please let me know if you're interested (vanbertozzi(at) Hope to hear from you soon!...Vanessa

    Sorry, I wasn't paying much attention to this talk page in the run up to Wikimania, so I didn't see this until it was too late. Angela


    I am sorry to bother you, but when I posted my proposal up fo ra wikijunior logo, I was lead to understand it came under the GFDL. If this is not the case, as the message left by you on the logo suggests, could you please tell me whether this logo is permitted on MW? Its unicef (copyrighted) and wp (copyrighted) but merged to one logo. The link is: [[Image:wikijunior-proplogo.jpg]]. Thanks for your help. Tmalmjursson 16:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

    You may need permission from the Foundation if you're using a derivative of their logo, which is copyrighted. I suggest you contact the trademarks committee via BradPatrick. Angela


    Please change my wiki account from to don_matlala Thanks

    If you mean on the English Wikipedia, that account has no edits, so you can just recreate Don matlala as a new account at w:Special:Userlogin. Angela 11:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


    As long as people are cleaning out the wmf site, we might turn hands towards cleaning meta as well... With testwiki matters moving to the incubator, if we can move translations off of meta, it will once more be a lean, mean meta-discussion machine. Which we need more than ever with the difficult discussions ahead. How best to [re]propose a separate translation wiki? Someone else should probably make the suggestion this time; I posted the last rant about it. Also, you'll appreciate this : [41]

    --Cheers, Sj

    Is there a proposal on meta about it? (other than Interface translations wiki?) Angela 08:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

    Help meEdit

    Dear Angela,

    I have an account in Vietnamese wikipedia ( I am currently a sysop. Now I would like to remove the sysop status and step back to a regular user. User:Nhanvo

    Please help me to do this task

    thanks you for your help


    -- I did. Thanks :-)
    You did what? Please add a note on that wiki that you want this to happen since otherwise I don't know that the IP requesting this is really Nhanvo. Angela 10:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
    I helped Nhan, and showed him Request for permission page. So he followed the procedure there and got what he wanted. --Dbl2010 13:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

    Incubator AdministratorsEdit


    On Incubator we've had an idea to complement the new test administrator idea (which we're very glad you approve of). We thought, however, that we should run it by you before implementing it, just to be on the safe side. You might know of the system on the Spanish Wikipedia, by which all administrators become bureaucrats after a month. We think that we should have a scheme similar to this for our 'proper' (rather than test) admins. Current admins become bureaucrats, and new admins become bureaucrats after a month, unless there are problems. This means that we don't have to rely on one administrator to give adminship to all the test administrators, and also it is clear for new users who the full administrators are and who the test administrators are.

    I hope you approve.

    Thanks, Dbmag9

    It sounds a very bad idea when hundreds of people are going to have "test adminship". There's no need for hundreds of bureaucrats, and I don't understand why the Spanish Wikipedia do this. Where is this suggested policy? Angela 11:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
    I'm sorry, I must clarify: only those 'proper' administrators (for the whole project, not just a test) will be promoted to bureaucrat status after a month. Thus they (and there will not be so many) are equipped to handle promotion of test administrators etc.. Test administrators will not be promoted to bureaucrat status. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Daniel () Check out Wikiscope! 12:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

    A humble requestEdit

    Ms. Angela, I am a member of the Star Wars wiki "Wookieepedia" which I have been led to believe that you have been associated with in the past. The site has been down for over an hour in my time zone, so I was wondering if you were aware of it. I am very sorry if this is not the appropriate way of contacting you. Sincerely- 02:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

    Wookieepedia is working normally for me. Can you access other Wikia sites? Are you using any sort of proxy? What error message do you get? Feel free to email me (angela at Angela 02:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
    The page takes an irregularly long time to load, and then Internet Explorer displays "This page could not be displayed." I've checked my connections and I am at 128-bit setting. I tried and it did the same thing- no page. I am not using a proxy site, just plain Internet explorer. Thank you for your help. 03:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
    I'm not sure what the problem is. I'll ask on our staff mailing list to see whether there are any server-side blocks that might be causing this. Can you access Uncyclopedia? Angela 03:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
    No ma'am. Also, I had my roommate try the site also and nothing was working. 03:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
    For whatever reason, it is working again. If it was because of you, thank you very much. If not, thank you anyway for your time and consideration. Signing off . . . 03:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

    CVU logosEdit

    Thank you for your post on the mailing list. However the CVU logos had been speedy deleted regardless of your comment. (Please take a peek at commons:User talk:AlisonW for the more detailed discussion).

    I feel that the images should be avalible for the discussion about their status. I was wondering if it would be posible to undelete the images untill a discussion takes place. An undelete is simply to make images avalible for the discussion and in no way is it a board endorsement.

    Another issue is that the trademark comitee is unavalible from what I understand. So perhaps the board can discuss the status of the images.

    -- Cat chi? 03:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

    I don't think undeleting will help the issue and I'd rather not override the decision of the person deleting them. I suggest you just be patient and wait until Brad is back to form some sort of trademark agreement for cases like this. Angela 05:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


    Hey Angela! do something now with this! How much time shall wait all the users that voted for closure? When thier vote will be respected? Shall we wait another year????????????????????????????--Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 16:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

    Anyway you should be aware that according to the constitution of Republic of Moldova it is forbidden to write otherwise than latin script. So, this Moldovan Wikipedia written in Cyrillic is a flagrant Anti-Romanian act! --Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 16:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

    That page doesn't show anything close to consensus about closing that wiki. Angela 16:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

    Hola AngelaEdit

    Soy nuevo en wikipedia y quiero ayudar por primera vez coloque una biografia de una cantante Mia Rauz y un bibliotecario Sanbec al que le he escrito para decirle que recapacite de muy buena manera ha blokeado mi ip dos veces que puedo hacer? siempre que hay alguine que no le gusta lo que uno escribe decentemente solicita el blokeo del ip y se acabo?? Muchas Gracias --diosesbondad 17:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

    I'm sorry, but I don't know why you are blocked. Have you tried discussing this with whoever blocked you? Angela 06:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
    He said he's new to Wikipedia and wants to create a biography of the singer Mia Rauz. It's been nominated for deletion because of non-notability, though. He says he's written to the administrator Sanbec to tell them to reconsider his deletion vote. His username isn't blocked, but his IP has been blocked twice. He finishes, "So, there's someone that doesn't like what someone else writes politely, then blocks their IP?" I think this is one of the comments he left on Sanbec's page. Here is one of the blocks, although it's only for a few hours. Here is another block. Most of those voting on the deletion page are voting to delete the entry, though.--Primetime 00:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

    Dear Madam, I have been blocked by an admin for the reason of being uncivil but the other ppl who r as uncivil as me are left wiki id is mahawiki and for the info plz see Rashtrakuta's talk page. 05:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

    Plz helpEdit

    There are above 16 sign inners supported opening of in Sindhi language, Sindhi is very rich and historical languge of Indus Valley. There 6.xx millions Sindhis are in all over the world. How can we start wikinews in Sindhi, our request gain above 16 supporter??? plz support and help us what to do suggest in language requestes. Thanks 19:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

    IRC logsEdit

    A user publish IRC logs in Turkish Wikipedia here. I said him to here but he said "that event is not publishing logs and this is not IRC log publishing, First you should check what IRC log publishing is then if you are not convinced you can go to meta to claim" and also he said "he used this sentences as an evidence rof bad faith in the dispute-resolution process and these sentences includes legal threat against sysops". In Turkish Wikipedia publishing logs are forbidden you can see that text in Turkish Wikipedia channel topic:

    • Turkish "Meta'nın aldığı karara göre kanal kayıtlarını yayımlamak ciddi bir Vikipedi suçudur, Vikipedi'yle ilgili bütün oluşumlardan atılırsınız."
    • English "As the Meta decided publishing channel logs a serious crime, when you did that you are blocked all Wikipedias."

    That guy said to me he publish privat logs but he do not publish privat logs her you can see:

    29 Haziran 2006 Vikipedi'nin resmi IRC kanalında noumenon ile konuşurken yaptığı tehdit:
    -eğer şikayet etmek zorunda kalırsam 
    -en az 3 yönetici hapse gider sevgili arkadaşım

    resmi IRC kanalında that mean in English "in offical IRC channel".

    Name of this user is tr:User:Dbl2010. Sorry my english is not good if you dont understand something please ask. Ruzgar 10:52, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

    Angela, can you give me an answer. Ruzgar 11:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

    I think this is something for the Turkish Wikipedia to decide. Angela 11:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

    Problem is the Turkish Wikipedia sysops did nothing for that. Ruzgar 01:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

    Do you know if anyone can help doing a logo to the projects that request one? Thanks.
    Nuno Agostinho Talk   20:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

    Newbie needs help on Wikipedia with user page!Edit

    I have no idea exactly how to get all the "frills" onto my user page. If you get 5 free minutes (and in saying this I am acknowledging that you're on the board of trustees and probably very busy), could you send some advice to under the subject heading "Wikipedia Userpage Help" so as not to delete it should it wind up in my spam box? Thank you in advance!

    Moved commentEdit

    In response to your commentary about the elections I initally started my reply with "I'm disappointed about the accusations being thrown around, but petty complaints and innuendo is nothing new from this crowd." I decided that this insult was best removed from the page where it was verging on offtopic and instead taken to you directly. Quite frankly I found your tone there to be counterproductive and unprofessional. The fingerpointing and allegations do us absolutely no good. If you are actually interested in helping the project rather than kicking sand at your political enemies you would be more effective to focus on the factual and the actionable than on the rumors. --Gmaxwell 02:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

    Why do you think I'm accusing anyone? I didn't even mention any names there. Everything in my comment was factual. I didn't mention any of the rumors going round about this. People changing their vote after being told the results 10 days early is not a petty complaint. It's a very serious issue which the rest of the Wikimedia Community and voters ought to be aware of in order to prevent it happening again. If I'd just said the elections should be run by a third party, people would think there's no point since Wikimedia staff can be trusted with it. It's very clear they can not. Angela 03:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

    Switch Logo to


    • for the, please switch logo. The proposed one is here: (how can i protect it? coz at sd.wikinews upload is disabled) (the page is protected) I can't upload files because uploading is disabled. Thanks Alixafar 18:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

    Tim has just done this. Angela 03:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

    Amgine's screwing around with wikinews/orifiteering off the siteEdit

    Could you please drop the editors of wikinews a comment explaining what all this means? Amgine has played games with us before by retaining his admin privileges while acting like a troll(enigma's his troll name and his name spelled backwards). Please let us know on our water cooler whether or not he still has admin authority..our other admins seem dazed and confused about the whole thing. 00:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

    • As you see hereand here, Amgine used wikinews to recruit and advertise his pretend journalism site which is nothing more than a real estate and travel package sales business. Please be wary if he is still using Meta. 00:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    Unless a bureaucrat on Wikinews decides to make him an admin again, he isn't one, since he said he was leaving the project and requested de-adminship on various wikis. Angela 01:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

    Science WikipediaEdit

    Hi Angela, I am willing to start a ---- Science Urdu Wikipedia ----, only for the scientific matters. There is already a Wikipedia in Urdu language. Please let me know if it is possible or not. Wait for your guidance, Please reply here on this same page or at my email: ---- Afraz

    Science topics can usually go in the regular Wikipedia. Is there a reason you wanted a separate wiki for this? Have you tried adding the content you want to write to w:ur:زمرہ:سائنس? Angela 06:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes Angela, I was adding Science topics on w:ur:زمرہ:سائنس, you can see my contributions Here, but ther are many reasons, I would like to summarize below
    1. Urdu, still has a very limited matterial on science, so in Urdu, science should be so large (because of saparate pages for vocabulary, all of the science topic available on English Wikipedia, and many other kind of pages of pages to make the science easy to understand.
    2. Most (nearly 99%) of people on Urdu wikipedia concentrate on topics like Religion, Histroy, Literature, Poetry, Entertainment, Cities etc. They just dont have a good idea of How important the science is! thats why if we have a completely separate domain for Science only, it will make an absolutely different image and transfer its importance to minds itself.
    3. I think its like, as there is a Wikipedia of simple english.
    4. My education is MD PhD and currently I am working as a neuroscientist. If I be able to start a science wiki, I take full responsibility of the standard of material there. Afraz

    If Urdu has limited matterial on science, isn't this more of a reason to make sure it is included in Wikipedia? There is no harm in having a large section. There are no size limits to Wikipedia.
    Just because most users there now aren't writing about science doesn't mean science should not be included. Also, if there aren't many people writing about this, wouldn't that just mean the new wiki would be inactive?
    Perhaps you should think of starting a WikiProject like w:Wikipedia:WikiProject Science within the Urdu Wikipedia instead of making a new site. Wikimedia does not host sepcific-topic wikis, though if you want to change that, you could try speaking to the special projects committee who are, in theory, the ones who would approve new projects. Wikia does host topic-specific wikis, but not ones which would duplicate Wikipedia, so a general science site would not be accepted unless the editors were intending on the content being very different from Wikipedia's. Angela 11:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Ok Angela. Thank you for your kind suggestion, I will do as you suggested. Afraz

    Help pleaseEdit

    Another wikinewsie at this cafe suggested I contact you about my problem.

    I was banned from Wikinews [42] but was not told on my talk page[43] why; then when I went to the link (irc?) that is suggested for inquiries about being blocked; I was not allowed in and it said this; "#wikinews-en You're banned from that channel". I also tried to sign up for email 2 days ago so I could email Cspurrier (who blocked me) but I have not received the confirmation code I need to do the email. I seem to be completely locked out of wikinews and communications with its managers and I have no idea why? I do see there is a mention of nutralizer but I do not know what the connection is to my block? 13:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

    Who suggested you contact me? I don't see any such suggestion on the water cooler. I'm not involved with Wikinews, and I have no reason to believe you're not Neutralizer. Angela 14:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

    Russian Copyright Law issuesEdit

    What do you think about commons:Commons:Village pump#Russian Copyright Law issues concerning edits in Wikipedia made by Russian citizens? --Jaroslavleff 18:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

    Stewards don't have any say over policies on Commons, so I'm not sure why you're asking all of them. This is better discussed by people active within that community. Angela 03:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

    Name changeEdit

    10/20/06 hi please change my wiki account from user: aidiniantz to this user: aureliacontii thanks

    Cspurrier; Wikinews bureaucrat; misusing Bureaucratand Checkuser authorityEdit

    It's impossible to RfDA him because he has hijacked the RfDA process on Wikinews with unilateral striking of RfDA's and striking of votes.

    Cspurrier has systematically been pushing anglo-american pov on wikinews and systematically pushing away editors who do not share that pov.


    1; Reinstating an RfDA against User:PVJ59 unilaterally (no consensus) after the nominator of the RfDA withdrew the RfDA.[44]

    2; Misused Checkuser against Blueliner who was accused of no misbehavior and then struck out her vote based upon circumstantial checkuser evidence(same IP range).[45]

    3; Falsely accused Tohstsalstuen of being a sockpuppet and struck out his vote.[46] 16:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

    Many thanksEdit

    Thank you for directing me to the new address of my requested Language (AZB). Still I do not know how it changed its name and place from request to templete and from AZB to azb-ir !!!

    BayBak --Baybak 22:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

    I need to change my UsernameEdit

    I was told to contact a steward. What do I do?

    You need to log in with that username and ask a bureaucrat. Only if there is no bureaucrat on your wiki do you need a steward. If you mean on the English Wikipedia, you need to make the request on w:Wikipedia:Changing username. You'll also need to tell them what you want to change your name to (after checking that name doesn't already exist). Angela 14:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

    Administration helpEdit

    Hello steward Angela! I'm user Anton Kazmyarchuk from be.wikipedia, i have a problem. User:Belamp yesterday 3 times violated the rules of Wikipedia: he vandalized my userpage: [47], he (twice:[48] - 1st time not yesterday, [49]) returned political ads to the page from which i recently deleted them, and when i alerted him about that the fact that ([50]) his edit is vandalism he deleted the message from his talk page: [51].When i contacted sysop EugeneZelenko to ask him to block User:Belamp, he told me he won't block User:Belamp and even told me that I violated some rules of Wikipedia by requesting the block of vandal. And then he left wikipedia. This is discussion with him ([52]). Can you help me and say to sysop EugeneZelenko that he needs to block vandal. (Another sysop - User:Red_Winged_Duck has been inactive for 2 or 3 days already). Thank you! -- 17:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

    That wiki has 3 admins (EugeneZelenko, Red Winged Duck, and Rydel), so this is a matter for that community, not for stewards who only act on wikis that don't yet have local admins. Angela 00:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

    Moderator requests helpEdit

    hi, I'm one of the three moderators on the breton language wikipedia (you can reach me here[53] or via e-mail: and we've got a bit of a problem at the moment. I'm sorry to bother you but I'm not really sure who else to turn to - we have no stewards on our language. I highly suspect that one of the users who has recently been actively trolling is the holder of two accounts. This in itself is not a problem, what is a problem is the fact that both account holders have now taken part in a vote and, given the small number of active wikipedians active on the project, this could actually tip the balance of the result. The actual result itself is unimportant, however, it would not be fair for one person to vote more than once. so my question is:

    is there anyway for a moderator to be able to compare the IP's for separate user accounts?.

    I would really appreciate a swift reply, because the trolling situation is really getting out of hand and if I could demonstate ill practice in voting I could safely put a stop to the trolling by blocking both user accounts.

    Thank you for your time (I can read French, English, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan and, of course, Breton)--Neal (Breton wiki moderator) 17:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

    You need to ask at Requests for CheckUser information. Angela 02:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

    Request for CommentsEdit

    I've posted a Request that is specifically addressed to Stewards, since it appears to be a delicate matter. Please review it and express your opinion. Thank you, M/ M/ 22:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

    They baned 10 users on serbian viki for voting against administratorEdit

    On Serbian vikipedia last night they blocked on 1 year 8 users like me for voting against administrator.

    After one voting for administrators rights in Serbian vikipedia all users that voted are checked by checkuser and they are normal users like me. We are guilty because we voted against new administrator. Therefore we are blocked. To all of us just 40 minutes after voting they said that we obstruct project and that we are blocked for 1 year. Here is list of blocking last night at 4:09. End of voting was at 3:31 They blocked following users on 1 year , that voted aginst new administrator:

    • Hajduci
    • Sokolac
    • РадованК
    • Капетановић
    • KordaDane
    • Djuranovic
    • Sunčica

    Look This user Solinda was blocked on 1 year although had not contributions for last 43 days.

    And User Lindon was also blocked, because he tried to vote, but his number of edits was small.

    What is worse they are explained that I am blocked because of continuation of obstruction of project. But that is first message that I obstructed project. I never done any obstruction, except voting against administrator that said he will block new users for something very small. I had never done even something very small. I never being in quarell or edit war with anybody. --KordaDane 13:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

    Were those users sockpuppets? They all joined the wiki within the same time period a couple of months ago. Has anyone tried to bring up the problem on w:sr:Википедија:Трг? Have you spoken to any in the Serbian Wikipedia about it? It would be much better if you could since they can read aout the issues that led to this when I can't. Angela 14:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

    They blocked me. I am not sockpupet. Other above mentioned users that voted are not sockpapets, since there was checked by checkuser. But before some period of time they blocked several users on omth, several months, or indefinite. Who will now present problem on w:sr:Википедија:Трг? I am blocked. Others are blocked too. There is probble fear. Who will present problem will be blocked. Because they are blocking if you just vote, or tell something aginst. I tried to be fair, and never tell anything against them, until today voting. I only voted. And they blocked me for one year. Does that mean that they really could do anything. --KordaDane 14:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

    The incident of Serbian wikiEdit

    Angela, I noticed what happened on sr wiki, and would like to explain what actually happened. The users that were blocked all voted against giving Milos admin priviledges. Milos is one of the earliest people who got engaged in editing Wikipedia, and he has the respect of the majority of administrators for helping to bring this project together. However, over the years, Milos has started using his respect for... lets say, not so noble causes. This is why he couldn't pull off 80% of the vote, he got only 63%. He actually asked to get admin priviledges so that he can block all users that are against him. When he found out that he didn't win, he got a few of his supporter admins to block almost all of the users that voted against him. Now, if someone mentioned this on the w:sr:Википедија:Трг, their edits will be:

    1. reverted
    2. the users that left the message will be blocked indefinately
    3. the w:sr:Википедија:Трг would be protected, so that only admins can edit it.

    This is where I would request something to be done on this matter, because sr wiki has become a dictatorship of a few admins. Not to mention an racist environment (one user was blocked because he was not Serb, but Turkish). Some people have tried to discuss these issues on sr wiki, but they have all been blocked indefinately for "wasting the time of the admins". Of course, whenever something like this is reported on Meta, the admins appear here and start discrediting whoever put up the request for something to be done. Now, can you please do something about this, because if we don't act soon (and I'm afraid that it's already too late), Wikipedia will be run by about 15 administrators and 0 regular users. Wikipedia shouldn't be a dictatorship, should it? --Paunović 22:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

    You can at least provide me with an answer. This is really rude.. me waiting for you to say something. Try to behaive in an appropriate manner. --Paunović 21:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
    I didn't answer because I'm aware that you told multiple people about the same issue and Anthere has already given you an answer. You can't just go on spamming multiple talk pages until you get the answer you want. Angela 06:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

    Moldovan wikipediaEdit

    Hello Angela, can you please look what is happening there lately? I was blocked by a user that is now blocked (he was sysop for only 4 hours!) please see that I had 6 votes to be elected sysop there, not to mention that I'm blocked there now. Can you do something to make order there? Thank you, Prof. Dr. --Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 08:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

    Hi, this user is actually a vandal. He in fact reregistered using a different IP to evade the legitimate block on him, and that username and IP was blocked soon by a different admin. He does have his doctorate though, AFAIK. But he's been banned from en.wp permanently for sock farming, and was only recently unbanned from Meta. --Node ue 09:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

    Dear Angela,

    I have an account in Taiwanese/Hokkien Wikipedia and I'm a sysop of Taiwanese Wikisource. Formerly we've used the code "zh-min-nan", but now we're in the ISO 639-3 list, using its code "nan". We want to have our code more formally and briefly and change it in to the new one, but we don't know how. Can you help us or tell us what to do? Thank you very much!

    --Astroviolin 06:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

    I suggest you talk to Tim Starling about it since he's the one who moved the wiki to zh-min-nan in the first place. Angela 07:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    Okay, I'll try to discuss with him. Thank you for your help! :) --Astroviolin 14:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

    I've asked Tim Starling but he didn't answerEdit

    Dear Angela,

    I've asked Tim Starling about it on Nov. 20th. And this is the article. But he still didn't answer. Is he still active? What can I do next? Can you help me for this? Thank you very much again :) --Astroviolin 09:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

    It's apparently complicated, so it might be better to put this in mediazilla: to make sure your request isn't forgotten about. Angela 09:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


    A robot is destroying the breton wikipedia completely, and there is no administrator there to stop it! Could you help me to solve the problem: i.e. stop the robot? Thanks in advance! Benoni on the breton wikipedia.

    Do you mean Chobot? It looks like it's just adding interwiki links. What exactly is the problem here? Angela 03:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

    Dictatorship control of Urdu Wikipedia!Edit

    Hi Angela! My name is Afraz and this is not our first talk, please see at the heading No 18 on this same page of yours, Science Wikipedia, for our first talk, that will be easy for me to explain my opinion here. As you suggested me, I tried my best to work on the subject of Science and the Urdu wikipedia in the categories of science and technology. Now the disturbing situation for me is that people (I think them innocent) on Urdu wikipedia are hindering my efforts and asking me to stop writing on science.

    The problem is that, they are blaming me for the violation of wikipedia policy of No original research and the reason they give for this is that, I use difficult scientific terminology on the basis of the etymology of the words in Urdu language. They said (or complain) to me that, I am creating the new words and this is against the Wikipedia No original research policy, but the situation is that I am not making any new words and can not compromise on the standard and quality of the information provided on the Wikipedia. They ask me to use easy and simple words instead of the correct terminology of science because they think that it is difficult for ordinary person to understand such a difficult language, but my question is that can we ignore the proper scientific terminology just because it is difficult ? we can explain it in easy word, but we can not avoid the proper term, this is what I think is the logical way.

    Angela, It will be easy for you to understand the situation if I explain you a little about Urdu language. Urdu is a mixed language, in regards of its etymology of the words (Just like English), Urdu borrows its words from Arabic, Persian, Turkish and some from Hindi,

    Most of the scientific words are not found in Urdu language and these words are used in Roman style Urdu of English word. In some old books of medicine and science there are scientific words of those days (may be 50 years ago or more), taken from Arabic and Persian.

    But during the last half century, as you know very well, the region of Urdu speaking people (I mean India, Pakistan and Afghanistan) remain in a troubled and anarchy, during all this period intellectuals were unable (or made so) to make new scientific terminology and continue borrowing words from Arabic and Persian.

    No what I am doing is just to pick a word from the Arabic or Persian (if it is not available in Urdu) and use is at an alternative to the corresponding scientific term. So, is it the violation of the No original policy of Wikipedia?

    Please think it as if you just use Heart muscle in an article and avoid the scientific term Myocardium for it, is it acceptable? Why? Just because heart muscle is easy? I think we can not do like this, we can write (for making it easy to understand to a layman) that myocardium is the medical term for heart muscle, but we can not hide or ignore the proper term of myocardium. We can write shortage of blood to make it easy to understand for a layman, but we can not hide or avoid the proper term of Anemia for this condition. We can say the brain membrane, but we can not hide or avoid the proper medical term, meninges! Can we?

    The same I do in my articles. I use a proper term (please note that the Urdu is borrowing its words from Arabic and Persian) of a scientific term and then I write its English equivlent in brackets. Such as if I have to use khuliya (Arabic word for cell), I always mention the English equivalent of this in brackets as, khuliya (cell). Am I violating the No original research policy ? how ? Is it possible if some one say that Myocardium is difficult so you should use Heart muscle instead of myocardium!!? I think then the solution is to make a Simple Urdu wikipedia, as it is there in Simple English.

    Isnt it be more natural for English to borrow word for a term from Greek or Latin instead of Arabic? The same is it true for Urdu, this language is originated from persian and Arabic, and nearly all the words in Urdu are of Arabic and Persian etymology, So, isnt it natural to pick the words from Arabic and Persian instead of using URDU ROMANIZATION OF AN ENGLISH WORD?? How strange it will be for English language, if we start Picking all the words and term from Arabic ?? Should I need to stop writing on science ? Am I violatin the No Original Research Policy of Wikipedia??

    Please let me know If I am really violating the No original policy? Should I have to stop writing the articles on science? I make you the judge, and I will accept any of your decision.

    Thank You

    Your sincerely


    I think this is better decided by the community on that Wikipedia. Isn't there some compromise you could come to about which etymology to use? Angela 13:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

    Dear Angela, I agree with you that this matter should be decided by the Urdu Wikipeda and I apologize to write you so long of a text, I realize you are very busy. But the problem is that there are very few contributors on wikipedia and nearly all of them have sysop rights and they are not showing any interest to solve it.

    • I just want your permission on the following points
    1. Like English borrow its terminology from Latin or Greek, Urdu borrows from Arabic and Persian.
    2. I want to give a term with its proper form in Urdu and if the term is not found in Urdu then in Arabic or Persian, and I will also give the English equivalent of that perticular term in brackets, e.g:
      • Micro-tome; I will write like this --- نشتردقیق (Micro-tome) , please note that English equivalent is given just in FRONT of the term used! Urdu text read as, nashtar-daqeeq, nashtar is -tome of micortome and daqeeq is Micro of microtome.
    1. Most of the portion of Urdu poetry is full of Arabic and Persian words, and they do not object? but they make objection when I use a word of Arabic in Science article, even though I give the English Alternate in front of the word. Please see on of my article about www HERE, you can not read Urdu text but you can see that every term is also give in English, even Japanese wikipedia dont do like this.
    2. I will just use the words and terms that are already present in Arabic, Urdu and English etc. NO Any new word I will creat.
    • Just let me know is it not a logical option? Is it a violation of Wikipedia NO ORIGINAL RESEARCH policy? Your permission is important because I was threatened by the person on Urdu wikipedia that they will go to the higher level on Wikimedia foundation.

    Your Sincerely


    Afraz (MD. PhD.)

    I'm sorry, but I can't give you permission to do something on a wiki I'm not involved with. Angela 05:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


    Ok Angela thanks for your time. I just need to ask one thing, Are the Local Wikipedias are FREE to do anything without any respect of Wikimedia? If not, then there must be someone on Wikimedia who must have a responsibility to deal with such kind of a situation. Please just guide me, what page or which person is responsible to deal with this? Are you the same Angela who grant me the approval of making WIKISCIENCE URDU ? If you are, then I say many thanks for your such kindness. Thanks again. Afraz

    No, the projects aren't free to do whatever they want. They do need to adhere to the broad goals of freely licensed unbiased content, but the Foundation doesn't have any mechanism by which to enforce that, so it's up to members of the communities to do that. I am the Angela from Wikia, but note that I'm not on the Wikimedia Board now, so if you're looking for some sort of higher authority to win this argument, you're not going to get it from me. Angela 07:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Thank you Angela, I have left the Urdu Wikipedia. I am now concentrating to make a reference and ideal of WIKISCIENCE URDU. Regards, Afraz

    De-sysop of German Admin mo:User:Pill on the Moldovan WikipediaEdit

    Hello Paginazero, you desysoped another vandal on Moldovan Wikipedia here. Now, I would like you to desysop another one, who was not accepted by community and replaced Epure.


    - there is already an elected sysop on Mo.wp so we don’t need this German Admin (mo:User:Pill)
    - mo:User:Pill must be de-sysopped for abuse of administrative privileges and employing eliminating methods
    - nobody asked him to request temporary sysop rights, he’s not accepted by community

    Removal of new vote pollEdit

    Blocks of innocent contributorsEdit

    I don’t think Alec deserved to be blocked and certainly his comments were not irrelevant to the fact that this Admin abuses his administrative privileges

    Please don’t forget that both mo:User:Alec and mo:User:Dromihete are speakers of Moldovan language which is not the case of mo:User:Pill who is German.

    POV pushing by PillEdit

    Here's a question: what does Pill think he's doing? Here, my opinion on Epure's suitability for bureaucratship and another comment were deleted for what reason exactly? Here, a comment by en:User:Dahn is similarly deleted. So what is this ultimately, a rigged poll, any opinion Pill does not like is simply deleted? Here, User:Alec is blocked for two weeks for supposed "irrelevant comments on Wikipedia:Кандидаць" - since when is that a criterion for blocking? Does anyone else think Pill is going too far - I propose a petition for de-sysopment. As far as I can see, Pill is following the shining example of his predecessors User:Node ue and User:Epure (likely both the same person); both can't say anything beyond a couple of phrases in Romanian/Moldovan and both were de-sysopped for abuse of administrative privileges and employing methods used in Soviet Moldova for getting their way. Let's watch now as Pill deletes this comment under some similar frivolous excuse - let's see how well he responds to criticism and complaints of what I consider legitimate grievances.

    Pill’s removal of petition against himEdit

    3 times I tried to tell him to stop his abuse of privilegesEdit


    Due to the fact that:

    1. He does not speak the language and we can’t understand him
    2. His abuse of administrative privileges
    3. His bias

    We request immediately de-sysop of this bias Administrator. Thank you.

    Translation was made by mo:user:Vania tractoristul. Смирнов 07:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

    There is no place for further engagement of Pill there. Pill must quit and leave or will ask again a petition against him. He removed it last time but now he will be under supervision of Stewards. I asked him to leave or else he will be de-sysoppped. You should de-sysop now, because we can't stand such injustice from Pill. He can't communicate with us since he doesn't speak the language. He is also bias and blocked innocent users. He was temporary granted with rights and he abused his privileges. Thank you.Смирнов 18:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

    I'm not Paginazero. If you're going to spam the same message to all stewards, you should at least change the name. :) Angela 18:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

    I know you're not Paginazero. But you could see the injustice and do something. I have the support of the community see here. I don't understand why should we have an Admin which is not elected and not wanted by the community. Can you explain me please? :-) --Смирнов 18:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

    Have you tried discussing the problem with Pill? Angela 00:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
    For all those things see User talk:Yann. —Pill δ 14:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

    Interface translations wikiEdit

    I noticed you wrote Interface translations wiki. on 12 June 2005. Things have changed since then and such wiki, betawiki is already up and running. Maybe you would like to talk to its maintainer, developer Nikerabbit (available on IRC) about making it an official WMF wiki, maybe a subdomain of as proposed. ~~helix84 14:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

    I'm not aware of why it isn't hosted by Wikimedia. I'm expect that if Nikerabbit wanted it on Wikimedia, there'd be no objection to that. Angela 14:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

    Turkmen WikipediaEdit

    Hi Angela, I put a request here. Can you check it? Thank you. tk:User:Parahat-- 13:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

    Nomination for deletionEdit

    Hello Angela. I've nominated several files for deletion, some of which you uploaded. If you'd like to comment, please see the nomination. Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

    Closing vote procedureEdit

    How much time should one wait to see a simple vote procedure to be closed? Should we wait more than 1 year? Shall my children see the vote closed? Thank you, --Nicolae 14:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

    PS. I refer to Moldovan Wikipedia.

    The situation isn't something to vote on. It doesn't matter when it closes if the vote was never going to have any influence on the outcome. Angela 14:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
    This is such bureaucratic… I just hope my children to see this wikipedia closed. Do I have the chance to see this one closed soon? I have to admit I haven't got it, how come a vote does not have any influence on the outcome? If we vote to have new wikipedias, and we can start new projects with only 3-4 votes, so we also need to vote to closed them. It's logical this way. There has to be quicker procedure to delete a wrong wikipedia. Something must be done in order to fulfill the desire of so many people who voted there. Otherwise, I'm serious to propose American wikipedia, Austrian wikipedia, Cyrillic German wikipedia and so on in every dialect and every script there can be. This Cyrillic Moldovan is against Constitution of Moldova! I wonder whoever approve new projects is he/she so ignorant to all these aspects? I mean, can I propose a French Cyrillic wikipedia? At least we have this example of Moldovan one. Thank you, please support us to close this project as soon as possible. This game lasted too much.--Nicolae 17:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

    Hi Angela. I was wondering if the Wikipedia foundation did masterclasses for new people or even for existing wikipediaholics to add / share / learn what can be done with the tool. THanks for all your help 16:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

    I don't know of anything like this in English. The German Wikipedia did hold an academy which I think was a place people could learn about Wikipedia editing. Angela 14:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

    Concern over a block on en wikipedia.Edit

    Hi, I was blocked on en-wikipedia and I feel that I was mistreated. I read the blocking policy, but no one seemed interested in referring to it in my block. Could you advise me on my talk page, under the my block link as to how I should resolve my concerns?

    Try reading the disruption policy. Angela 11:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

    Change of UsernameEdit

    Hi Angela, I have some concerns about my user name. If you google it, several things come up. My concern is not for me, but for the people I serve in my non-profit. I have no concern over using my real name, but unfortunately, my userboxes and current en-Wikipedia name can be linked to me directly. Everyone loves userboxes (except Jimbo:) ), so I'd prefer to keep them. But I need to protect my non-profit. These are people I care about a great deal. There's more to the story, but this is the main thing. I cry when I think about it.

    Angela, I want my name salted. If I could just go by Nina, I would very much appreciate it. At least then I will now that if anyone comes after me or my non-profit, I have a history with them and can deal with it accordingly. I can't ask a bureaucrat to do this. It has to be done everywhere. I would be happy to provide more details, but I'm begging you, just make it so. Sincerely, NinaNinaEliza 18:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC) PS: if you can do this, I would like this post archived, or preferably salted as well. Thank you.NinaEliza 18:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

    I can't just make it happen everywhere. It needs to be done manually for every wiki, so you'll need to make a list of wikis where you've used this name. If those wikis have a local bureaucrat, you need to ask them. For any wikis that don't have, you can request this on requests for permissions. The name "Nina" is already taken on at least the English and German Wikipedias though. Angela 18:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

    Okay. I can't just disappear though. There are some users who are counting on me....let me think for a minute. It's only en-wikipedia and here. Could I go by Nina Odell? NinaEliza 18:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

    I'm sorry. I'm upset and stupid right now. It's too big for me, and I've only been here two months. I don't know what to do. I'm sorry.NinaEliza 18:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

    I can't stop crying. I can't read hardly anything. I need help. Please.NinaEliza 18:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

    Please don't panic. You just need to post on w:Wikipedia:Changing username to prove you are that user on the English Wikipedia. Angela 18:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


    Hello Angela - Sorry for my english - i,m not a native speaker. It seems to me that you're very experienced in how wikipedia works(or should work) - so you probably can help. Here is my case:

    For some time(about two weeks - from 10 to 25 of december) a was writing up articles for my local wikipedia.
    In 31 of december the admistrator(he also a bureaucrat) found that one of my articles has some parts(maybe a few sentences or more) which violence the rules of author's rights. He deleted the whole article and warmed me. I agreed with him, and since that time totaly stopped posting any materials to wikipedia to avoid blocking.
    Then in 3 of january, probably during the check of my past contributions he found another article made up by me(in the period above - in december) which had the same problem - deleted it and wormed me again - i told him that i'll rewrite this article and did it(it wasnt hard - the 35kb article maybe had just a few sentences which can be perceived as a copyvio).
    On the next day in 4 of january, he found another article which had the same problem and was made up by me before 31 of december and deleted it. The admistrator didnt even warmed me about it and just blocked me for a week saying that hi is doing it "to protect wikipedia from copyright violations".
    I'm not sure, but it seems to me that, basing on the rules of Wikipedia, admin should not block me after he warmed me, reasived promise "to not do that anymore" and seeing that i stopped to contribute to Wiki already for 5 days and even started to rewrite the articles suspected in copyright violations. Please be so kind and advice about my case. How do perceive the behaviour of this admin(from the point of rules) and if there was a rule violation from him how can i obtain justice considering that he is also a bureaucrat. Than you. Best regards Alex 2007 21:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    Have you tried emailing the person who blocked you? Which wiki was this on? Perhaps they didn't realise the edits were before the warning and assumed you were ignoring the warning. Angela 22:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    I'm not sure that it will help(i'm from russian wikipedia - and there are only 3 bureaucrats - which had never changed from the begining of the project). It seems to me that the reason of blocking my acc was personal - he simply dont like me and he knew everything(about the rules and situation). I'm not sure also than even russian "Requests for arbitration" can help - this bureaucrat violeted the rules not for a first time(for example deleted a few articles with no consensus at all) and never was convicted. I dont belive that i can obtain justice inside of russian wikipedia Alex 2007 22:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    I suggest you shouldn't take it so personally. It seems like Maximaximax was just trying to ensure the policies of that wiki. If you think you were unfairly blocked, you can email im at w:ru:Special:Emailuser/Maximaximax. The block is only for 1 week, so you could just wait and then try to make sure no more of your articles include copyright violations. Angela 22:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    I know about the rule "Assume good faith", but what if this case not about it? And also there stil a rule violation from him - couse he blocked me after warning and even after i stopped contributing to Wiki, is it? I dont really care about my personal situation and blocking(my case is only one of a quantity) - i just want to find the way to obtain justice and traing to get to know if there are any way to stop such a bureaucrat from breaking the rules(if i can prove such fact) from outside the local wikipedia or maybe from inside(with a help from outside). Thank you, anyway. Alex 2007 22:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    I suggest you focus on contributing content rather than seeking justice for someone who was clearly trying to benefit the wiki by temporarily blocking a user who didn't appear to be reading warnings about something very damaging - copyright violations. I don't see that you have any case to accuse Maximaximax of being the one breaking the rules. Angela 23:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    Ok. I see you point - "in any case on suspicion of copyright violations the bureaucrat is always right and can block anybody even the person stopped contributing to wikipedia after the first warning and even started to clean after himself". Thank you - very clear. Did i understand you in the right way? Alex 2007 23:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    Why don't you contact him about this instead of trying to accuse him of violating rules, which I don't believe he is doing? Angela 00:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
    Few of russian wikipedians(which are totally agree with me in this case) already contacted him on his User talk page . In one of remarks he is saying that he blocked me "not because i didnt stopped posting copyvio"(actually i did - it can be simply proved using logs), but because "i didnt started to clean up after me"(but it is not so - couse i started to clean up articles since 3 of january and already completelly cleaned one them). The God see - i was traying to do everything to avoid blocking - i stopped contributing anythin new to wiki since 31 of december(the first warning), i showed Maximaximax my free will to do not violate the rule anymore(i had a conversation with him), i started to clean up the older articles - but it didnt help. Angela, a completly understand you point in this case - on your place i also probably'd better belive "bureaucrat", than the "copyviolator"(which is me - and i agree with it - I just disagree with the fact, that such a "user" must be blocked even he stopped contributing to wikipedia after the first warning and even started to clean up after himself) And if didnt see in this case injustice, i'd never come up here and started a conversation with you. If i'm annoying to you - sorry for that. Alex 2007 01:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

    Could you help me, please?Edit

    Hi! I am an adminstrator on Northern Sami Wikipedia. Been since May 2005 but I still really don't what I can do and how... :) Could you tell me how it is possible to change the text on the logo of the Northern Sami Wikipedia? Now it's "Friddja ensyklopediija" but "Almmolaš diehtosátnegirji" would be better. And an other thing... Could it be possible to get "special characters" under each editing page? It would help people without Sami keybord to edit pages. I hope you understand what I mean... (sorry for my lousy English...) Skuolfi 22:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

    To change the logo text, you need to create a new image and upload it on your wiki. You can add the special characters by editing MediaWiki:Edittools on your wiki. See the English Wikipedia's one for an example. Angela 22:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

    Change NickEdit

    Hello, please could you change my Meta-Nick from User:Kenwilliams to User:Marcus Cyron? I will change my Usernames in all projects before the Single-Loggin comes (I know, nobody known when this will happens - but what's done is done ;)). Kenwilliams 21:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

    Thanks :) Marcus Cyron 23:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

    A questionEdit

    Dear, Cspurrier

    Do you know where I can find the source files of Wikimedia projects? I need to see them. If you don't know, do you know who might know?

    Thanks a lot. --Soroush83 12:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

    I'm not Cspurrier. What do you mean by source files? The software is available from Angela 15:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

    I'm really sorry, Angela. --Soroush83 13:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

    advisory boardEdit

    Hi Angela, would you like to make a note about Advisory Board launching as its chair to Wikimedia:Template:News-en/2007-01? --Aphaia 10:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

    No, the Board (the other one) are planning to announce it. Angela 11:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

    Hi Angela, my name is Rebecca and i am getting really upset.....I NEED someone's help.. I need the dates for the concerts that take that are doing in australia...can not find them anywhere... if you have them or know them, please email me at,

    Really really really want to go, dont want to miss out...

    TA, Rebecca..


    Hey my emails as well as this account above have both been hacked into. I desperately need to delete my user account (above) PLEASE DELETE IT ASAP!!! I can be reached on my new email At the very least you could give me the password to it. It would be very helpful.

    My new account is at User:Asalat on wikipedia.
    It isn't possible to delete an account. I can rename it if you can prove it is you. Angela 02:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
    The email on the preferences was This email was hacked and the wiki password was leaked to a hacker. If you need further proof, check my above comment and this comment, and it will show u my IP. The top one is one I use predominantly(home computer), and this one is my school's IP. If you check this IP you will find that it is the same as the one I put on my talk page a short while ago. I'll add that link shortly.-- 20:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

    (P.S If you could change the name and give me the password that would help, send on email i put above)

    Here is the link. If this doesnt prove it's me i can send you my old password on an email.-- 20:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

    If you mean the English Wikipedia, you need to log in and ask at w:WP:CHU. I can't rename an account without proof you own that account. I can't check email addresses, so the only way you can do that is by logging in. Angela 20:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
    I cant log in to that account its been hacked.-- 00:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

    I don't really understand this. Are you saying someone hacked your hotmail account and then changed your wiki password? Why are you telling me this on meta and not reporting it on Wikipedia? Do you know who did this? Angela 13:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
    YOuve got it right, and I cant report to wikipedia because you need to be logged in to the hacked account to report it. Do you know how I can report it wihtout the knowledge of that account?-- 20:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
    So now I need to report the hack, but how can I retain the hacked account, as I have all the knowledge of it except its password?-- 21:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
    If you can prove it is your account, you can try to get a developer to reset the password, but I don't see how renaming the account would help. It would be much easier to just make a new account. Angela 09:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


    Pretty please with sprinkles and a cherry on top, may I use the cool box at the top of your page for my own user page? :) Cbrown1023 talk 00:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

    Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Angela 09:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


    I have been blocked by Dmcdevit the user account is Irate. I would like it reanabled straight away and User:Dmcdevit blocked and his admin removed.-- 10:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

    Considering the number of times you've been blocked, I don't think that's a bad thing. Angela 09:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
    That's on Wikipedia not here. Why do you bring that up. You still owe me an explanation of why you keep accusing me of vandalism. Now explane why I am blocked on MetaWiki. Unblock me now.-- 11:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
    So now you block the accounts that I'm trying to complain about my blocking on. That is not very good is it Angela. Your breaking your own rules.-- 11:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
    That was even more pathetic. What am I blocked on MetaWiki for? NOthing.-- 12:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
    Well, we can adding causing a disruption and talk page spamming to the list. Cbrown1023 talk 17:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

    From my mind to yours--HIEdit

    Hi there, I want to start our relationship out on the wrong foot and complain! <G>
       These are listed end to beginning, as it were.

    The following leads in a circle, and you're right in the middle of the muddle. I would opine it was once a good in joke, but that perhaps it's time has passed. So Here!:

           --You deleted the page

      2. Template:Fullurl:Talk:En:Talk:Wikipedia:Namespace />   --You noted the weirdness of the page, perhaps got a kick out of it... the page back in 2003.

            Current page, stale since 'Octember' of 2005... (R. Zelazny, may he R.I.P., if you're wondering! <g>)

           But this, in the middle of instructional stuff for 'newcomers' is, I think, no longer appropriate.
           [Full section follows between lines]

    Non-standard namespacesEdit

    [[Talk:Wikipedia:Namespace]] is an example of a non-standard (and not recommended) talk page name, which is discussed further at m:Talk:En:Talk:Wikipedia:Namespace; a page which is special itself, in that the link that is supposed to be to the corresponding article on meta is an interwiki link to the non-standard talk page on Wikipedia.

    The Image:Image: namespace was never standard, and is no longer functional as of MediaWiki 1.3.

    SO where do they keep the bull whips, hot branding irons, and torture room around here? <G> Seriously, I think it ought to be cleaned up and defanged.

    More importantlyEdit

    On a more serious note, I've been very busy in interwiki linking and infighting on templates and such minutia on wikipedia. One outcome of that was I argued fairly successfully back in the summer that the 'old view' of hiding template documentation was both counter-productive and no longer had a sound technical under pinning with the use of proper noinclude blocks. These, in case you don't know are preprocessor commands to ignore what comes after until it finds the end block. Tuck the usage in the middle, and page composition pretty much ignores that.

    So in a small way, I changed the culture to the benefit of the less familiar or occasional user, and far the the better with respect to newcomers and non-technical people, as one point I made carried a lot of weight--most of the talks were jargonish, and sometimes problem solving bull sessions and such... and when some consensus was reached in the discussion, it usually just stopped.

    Some solution was implemented obvious to those who'd discussed it, but rarely did one ever leave a summary 'How-to' crumb for the hapless party wandering in after. So how was a neophyte supposed to sift the chaff from the grain, when I couldn't many times, despite software experience back to '76!

    In due course, gradually a lot of 'utility' or 'tool' templates and many administrative templates began having noinclude nested usage (some still too over technical for the lay user, but at least one didn't have to navigate two pages to end up confused, and there was both a semblence of organization (see also lists to related templates) and an attempt at making a clear write-up for the beginners amongst us.

    While I was off on a real life break, the quiet revolution I started had a couple of repurcussions and a solution set, which is W:Wikipedia:Template doc page pattern. To my mind, that seems to be the kind of thing that is needed here as a world wide resource, as there is a serious cultural bias in many ways against things done or originating on Wikipedia on some of the other sister projects, and I'm refering to English sister's, never mind the interlingual sets! In any event, I thought I should draw some attention to it, and would welcome your thoughts as to how to get the word out the best way. I've imported it to Meta:Template doc page pattern (M:DPP) and I would guess at the least, it should be dissemenated by the Communications committee.

    While the long term savings in server loading is a great benefit, to my mind the ability now for a template page to have a face display of clearly written documentation will be as big a benifit, as it costs us human's man-hours when things get confusing. To that end, so does needlessly throwing away stuff, that if it were adequately documented, and the documentation were easy to locate because not only was the template itself 'fixed' like the Handbook templates, but was stable and listed as well with a comparison to others of similar function in a handbook/guideline type page, well... I wouldn't see so much wasted effort and time in squabbling at W:WP:TFD, nor would people be duplicating something that already exists, etc. In short, such would empower the many, act as a resource for learning and ease the ability to do more complex things sooner as one eases into the community of which ever wiki one calls home.

    So to that end, I've begun WikiProject template sharing, which is so far known only to a few dozen, as time has been 'wanting' for talk, publicity, and even 'editorial polish' while I've had to bend single minded efforts when wiki-time is available to working out some of the remaining preliminary details. (It is a bit hard to discuss the concrete when one isn't familiar yet with many of the problems! <g>) I'd like some input on that as well, and any suggestions you may have, for it's nearly time to launch a recuiting effort—I'm getting real tired of editing and polishing documentation! <G> The basic system is in place now on seven of the Sister Projects, pending finalization of category system needs, interlinking and a bit more study. One issue I've got is where the line between Meta and MediaWiki begins and ends, so to speak. Dealing with the system software, it doesn't seem that mw:About would have much to do with the Meta Help pages, but I see all over that they are being subsumed and moved to Mediawiki. I've tried to set it up so things will be as portable as possible to even foreign language wiki's, so I'm wondering whether you know of any master planning document of what is going to be under the aegis of Meta and what Mediawiki. It'd be kind of silly to christen the project here, only to find out it's home ought to be on Mediawiki! In any event, when you have the time, I'd appreciate the guidance. Sorry for the length. Best regards, FrankB 13:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

    If those old talk:en:namespace pages need fixing, you can just edit them or list for deletion. I don't know what MP:TSP is but if you're planning on keeping it, my advice is to be much much clearer on what you are doing and why since it is very likely to be deleted in this state, especially if it looks like you're trying to set up yet another form of help page on meta. There are already multiple conflicting schemes like this because everyone tries to start their own instead of improving what is already here. Idiosyncratic names like MP:TSP and odd categories like "template sharing loose ends" might make sense to you, but they do not open up the project to collaboration from others who will not understand what you are doing. Angela 16:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
    Sorry about that stub-in. I fixed the shortcut MP:TSP so is clearly the soft redirect intended. The current scope document is on Wikipedia Wikproject template sharing. Regards // FrankB 16:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


    Please can you ask someone who's knowledgeable about Special:Makesysop to write something on how to install it on MediaWiki, as I've got 5 installations on my local server, and being able to set rights cross-wiki is something I need to learn when using the MediaWiki software. --WiganRunnerEu 14:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

    Special:Makesysop only works across wiki on Wikimedia, not when installed on other sites, so you might need something different if that's what you need to do. I suggest you ask at the MediaWiki forums. Angela 14:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


    Hello Angela. I have a question concerning the neutrality principle and need your opinion. Recently the Turkish wikipedia reached the limit of 50k articles and the question of celebrating it arose. Specifically, following the existing tradition, multiple logos were designed for this purpose, to be used with the wikipedia logo on top left of the main page. Several users, myself included, finally agreed on tr:Resim:Wiki50000tr.png.

    However, two of our admins disagreed on the basis of neutrality. According to them, the stars within the previous image, are strongly "correlated" with the Turkish flag. On the other hand, we (myself and several users) believe that it is representative of the Turkish language, and that the neutrality principle is not valid in this case. A debate followed, and (as usual) the admins did not allow its use.

    Furthermore, the Greek wikipedia has also reached 20k articles, and they have been using this logo, where the blue is obviously representing the colour of the Greek flag. When I brought this up in the Turkish wikipedia, the same admin proposed me to consult a steward. So I am asking your opinion, do you think the logo on which we decided as the users, violates the neutrality or any other principle or rule, and the admins are right, in which case the Greek wikipedia is also commiting this mistake, or do you think the Greek wikipedians are right and our admins are maybe a little over-sensitive as far as principles are concerned? Thank you. - 13:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

    Personally, I don't think flag colors should be used in this way. Wikipedias are based on language, not country, and using a flag of only one country when the language is spoken in other countries is an inaccurate reflection of that wiki. Angela 13:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
    I see, so would the use of flag color be justfied in the case of a language spoken by a single country, or is it just "wrong" altogether? - 13:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

    How to deal with administrator abusing powers?Edit

    Administrator Aksi_great is using his admin powers for settling personal scores. No arguments but could you check his behaviour? Wordslaugh 14:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

    look here on my french discussion page ! nothing to do! wikipedia = a kind of maffia now! you belong to it, or you can only become a vandalist! because there is no right, your work is lost, erased never to find, hours or days of business in difficult research (for you). erased...

    I was wrogfully blocked by Admins who refused.......Edit

    to even read why i wanted to be unblocked as this admin said here Decline reason: "Your rationale is way too long for me to examine it in any detail, and he said this on this page i'm at a loss of how else to file a complaint against not only him but the admin for taking out the block in the first place and not thouroughly investigating what was going on, and the user nightscream for lying to get the block in place. I have it pasted on my talk page what night scream said with my notes but i will paste it here for your convenience this block was taken out against me based on lies, here is the proof. This is a copy of nightscreams report to have me blocked. Hi. I've been having trouble over the past two months with User:Liaishard, who continuously inserts non-NPOV material into the article. *[this is nightscreams opinion not a fact] Right now, she she insists on changing a passage *[this is a lie as i am the person who inserted the passage, so i should be able to change it, i am the one who researched it not nightscream] so that a point of view taken by Clark reads as a fact *[I want it to factually read the way Clark said it is my problem]. Specifically, in the passage detailing how the producers of American Idol told Clark and his fellow contestants to select one of two attorneys for representation that the producers presented to them within two days or be dismissed from the show, the wording indicates that Clark and his fellow contestants felt this was a conflict of interest *[this is a lie on nightscreams part because the wording clearly says in the book and cut and pasted into the article for nightscream and everyone to see that clark and the other contestants "KNEW" not "Felt" it was a conflict of interest, and Clarks experience in the music industry does validate that assertion as does the actual definition of a conflict of interest]. Liaishard keeps changing this passage from "felt" to "knew" *[this is a lie, nightscream continued to change the wording from "Knew" to "felt" not vise versa, I AM THE ONE WITH THE SOURCE, NIGHTSCREAM DOES NOT HAVE THE BOOK SO HOW CAN HE CLAIM THAT I'M CHANGING THE WORDS AROUND, HE KEEPS REVERTING A DIRECT QUOTE MADE AND WRITTEN BY CLARK]. Liaishard insists that it's a fact, not an opinion, that it does not require a legal conclusion, *[i SAID THAT CLEAR CUT CASES OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST LIKE THIS ONE DO NOT NEED A LEGAL CONCLUSION TO SAY IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST] because it's from Clark's book and his own words, that it's a "direct quote". I've tried to explain to her a direct quote is a word-for-word reproduction of someone's words with quotation marks, and that the passage "Clark felt" or "Clark knew" is a third-person paraphrase, but she refuses to listen, insisting that no, it's a first-person direct quote. Wen I try to correct her on this terminology on the article's Talk Page (as I have done numerous times over the past month or two), she disagrees, but without explaining why my assertion is wrong.*[THAT IS A LIE AS I REFUTE ANY OF NIGHTSCREAMS EDITS AND TALK TO HIM ABOUT THEM IN LENGTH ON THE ARTICLE TALK PAGE] She also continues to insert a dead link that she herself previously removed for that reason *[I RE-INSERTED THE LINK BY ACCIDENT 1 TIME AFTER I POINTED OUT MYSELF THAT THE LINK DIDN'T WORK, IT'S CALLED A MISTAKE, SOME PEOPLE DO MAKE THOSE YOU KNOW]. User:Geniac, who I've asked for help numerous times, intervenes only sporadically, as he is probably very busy. User:Seraphimblade,*[TOLD US BOTH THAT THE ARTICLE WAS ACCEPTABLE AS LONG AS DIRECT QUOTES OR POTENTIALLY LIBELOUS COMMENTS WERE ATTRIBUTED CORRECTLY TO WHOMEVER SAID THEM] who has also tried to help out, has a banner on his page that he is currently away. This has been going on for months now, and I would appreciate some decisive action with Liaishard *[AS I WOULD APPRECIATE SOME DECISIVE ACTION WITH NIGHTSCREAM WHO USES LIES, CONJECTURE AND BIG WORDS TO TRY AND PROVE HIS POINT AND COVER UP HIS OWN MISTAKES], who neither understand nor cares about the site's policies. Nightscream 23:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

    I also notated on my talk page 27 different instances of uncivility towards me by nightscream, and a couple of incidents of uncivility from the admins involved as well, i have in retort been uncivil with nightscream in the past i don't deny, but i felt i had to defend myself as nightscream was using conjecture and lies to perpetuate his claims to the admin whom seemed to just go along with what he said based off of his editing history with wiki instead of investigating the matter wholely. Which, of his history he himself has claimed that he's already received a 3rr violation before. I'm not as adept to navigating this site as he is as you can obviously tell by my request to you for help not knowing where to go, and he uses that as a weapon to cite policies and take little excerpts of mine from our discussions and puts lies behind them and presents them to admins to get them in his favor.

    Again i pointed out in nightscreams note to the other admins whom quickly unblocked him, that it was I who edited the quotes in from Clarks book and it was nightscream who was reverting them, his notes to the admin make it seem like I'm reverting his edits, and he played that fact up by saying that i was guilty of his arbitrations, please help me in some way or point me in the right direction to make a complaint about these so called administrators and their laziness for detail and the lying user who is playing on peoples preconceived loyalties of the rules and how he attempts to portray me to them as a breaker of these rules that make this community what is. Thank you 20:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

    Site noticesEdit

    Dear Angela,

    I am an Administrator in Farsi Wikipedia. I'm worrying if we can use the Site Notice feature (MediaWiki:Sitenotice) of our local wiki for uses other than reflecting the WikiMedia-wide notices, like those about fund raising, etc. An example use could be to attract users to vote in the election of our future checkuser fellows. I didn't find any policy or guideline in this regard myself (may be I missed them) so I'm asking here for help.

    Please advise here or, preferably, on my own talk page.

    Thanks in advance Huji 11:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

    It's fine to use the site notice in whatever way you like most of the time, though when there is a fundraising drive or other official wikimedia notice that needs to go there, that one should be added there as well or instead. Angela 21:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
    Thank you for the commentHuji 14:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

    WM Au (TM)Edit

    Hi Angela,

    Was just wondering about the May 2007 news on Wikimedia Australia - could you tell me the rough details of what happened? eg. Did you register it, is there a cost involved, etc. I was away for a while but I don't remember hearing about it when I caught up on the mailing list posts. Confusing Manifestation 04:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

    It was registered by the Wikimedia Foundation as they're gradually registering all of their trademarks around the world. There would have been costs involved but I don't know exactly how much. Angela 05:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    Thanks. I suspected it might be a WMF thing, was just curious as to how it would relate to WMAu. Confusing Manifestation 02:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

    Denounce against Spanish Wikipedia: Arbitrary blocking of users, deletion of articles and sectionsEdit

    Dear Angela,

    First of all sorry for my bad English, I'm Zoltan from Hungary, registered member of the English, Hungarian, Italian, Latin and Spanish Wikipedia projects (my username is TheMexican in all of them). I have no problem with any of them but with the Spanish one. There are policies and so called bibliotecarios that in an arbitrary way are deleting articles, sections, blocking user IP's and they do all this without giving editors any consultation oportunity. The last unethical action they did me was blocking my username and IP address, just because I included some information and the external link in Mexican singer Thalía's article about her international official fan club. The user who blocked me is called Edub. This user abuses his power and deletes sections from articles deciding on his own that "they are irrelevant".


    Administrators must not block users with whom they are engaged in a content dispute; instead, they should report the problem to other administrators."

    In the name of many Spanish Wikipedia users that have the same complaints, I hope you can help me.

    Your sincerely, Zoltan (TheMexican) from Hungary.

    Sharing accountsEdit

    Hi Angela! Just a heads up that I wasn't talking about you. MatthewFenton 16:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

    Administrator AbuseEdit

    There is an administrator on the English Wikipedia named user: Ryulong who protected the page Lupin III. I went to his talk page and asked him why he did it. He deleted my question without response. Then I asked him again and I said to please answer my question before he deleted it. He has since twice ignored my question and deleted it. I feel that it would be a considerate and responsible thing for an administrator to acknowledge and answer a legitimate question instead of ignoring and deleting it and telling the person asking the question to "leave me alone."

    Thank you very much for your time.

    Dear Angela, I would also like to add that I was talking to another administrator about how Ryulong was not answering my question, and Ryulong then went to the other administrator's talk page, deleted my comment, and blocked me! I hope that action like that is not condoned. Again, I thank you sincerely for your time! 19:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

    I would like to add this:

    Thank you very much for your time. I would like to state that, while I have not created a Wikipedia account, I have often contributed to the site. The problem I have first came about because a user on the English Wikipedia named contested time after time additions I have put on a page titled Lupin III. After a while, I relented and only added information after complying with his demands. For example, he stated than one addition I made needed to reference episode numbers and manga volume numbers, so I added those for the ones I could find, and the ones I couldn't find, I deleted myself.

    That did not make happy, because he went back again, deleted my edit, and complained on the administrator talk board. He made me sound like I was a vandal who contributes nothing useful. Administrator Ryulong protected the page, so I went to his talk page and asked him why he did so. He deleted my question without response. I asked him again twice and he ignored me and told me to leave him alone without answering my question. I had asked another administrator, CambridgeBayWeather, for assistance. Later I went back and told him that Ryulong did not answer my question about why he protected the Lupin III page. Then, Ryulong deleted my comment and blocked me for "harassment". I feel that administrators should not ignore questions from contributes. I am the one now who feels harassed by Ryulong and I hope that someone will listen to me and investigate the matter, check my previous edits, and their previous edits, and see that I have done nothing wrong.

    The issue here is not the page of Lupin III but rather the behavior of Ryulong as an administrator and of Thank you very much for your time.

    I don't know why he's ignoring your questions, but the proper way to request unblocking is to contact the unblock-en-l mailing list which is mentioned in the message telling you you're blocked. Angela 20:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

    Administrator abuse AGAIN in the Spanish WikipediaEdit

    Dear Angela,

    The administrator Edub in the Spanish Wikipedia has abused of his power again. I tell you that THERE IS NO RULE IN THE SPANISH WIKIPEDIA THAT PROHIBITS PUTTING AN OFFICIAL FAN CLUB LINK INTO THE ARTITST'S PAGE!!! However, the user Edub is always blocking me when I put this link. Just see: Thalía. This is RUDE VIOLATING of Wikipedia's BASICAL RULES. An administrator CANNOT BLOCK a user JUST BECAUSE HE PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE something, and this user Edub DOES THAT ALL THE TIME!!! User EDUB must be SUSPENDED as an administrator because of his ARBITRARY, PERSONAL and UNJUST ACTIONS!!! Here you go another PROOF from my user page:

    "Hola, he decidido no entrar a discutir contigo si es adecuado o no que el enlace a tu página esté en el artículo, no quiero involucrarme en esa decisión. Si otros colaboradores de Wikipedia consideran que el enlace aporta algo al artículo yo no me opondré, pero si lo vuelves a colocar tú unilateralmente lo seguiré considerando spam. Saludos. Edub (discusión) 23:13 15 jun 2007 (CEST)"


    "Hi, I decided not to enter in discussion if the link is correct or not to your page in the page, I don't want to involve in this decision. If other collaborators of the Wikipedia consider that the link is important in the article, I won't oppose, but if YOU will put it again, I will consider it spam."

    Well, first of all, THIS is NOT MY WEBSITE!!! This is the website of Thalía's INTERNATIONAL OFFICIAL FAN CLUB, and an administrator of Spanish Wikipedia DOES NOT HAVE ANY RIGHT to say that it is not!!! Second, Spanish Wikipedia policies ALLOW to put links to official fan club sites in articles. Third, I HAVE asked the opinion about it SEVERAL TIMES in Spanish Wikipedia "Pub", and ALL ADMINS - less Mr. Edub - agreed that the link can be put in the article. I aslo made a question in the discussion page of the Thalía article, I waited at least a month, NOBODY HAS ANSWERED me.

    So, the above mentioned all prove that Edub violated the fundamental policies of Wikipedia and he is an arbitrary administrator acting by his personal interests.

    Please, help me!!! Many users are leaving the Spanish Wikipedia for this reason. Thank you! (You can contact me writing to my Discussion Page in the Hungarian Wikipedia, or to

    Your sincerely, Zoltan

    Wikimedia UKEdit

    Hi Angela,

    At some point you expressed an interest in supporting Wikimedia UK. We're now ready to begin receiving applications from prospective members. If you would like to join, application forms and further information can be found at: Feel free to ask me if you have any questions, either via my user page at the English Wikipedia or by email (

    Thanks, Andreww 18:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

    (Membership officer, Wikimedia UK)


    Hello Angela, I've request for removal of access yesterday, but it's not done yet. Could you please do it for me? Thanks. --Pi@k 02:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

    Communications SubcommittesEdit

    I'd be interested in joining one of those, preferably the press one. Please reply, 35429AeuL 19:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

    See Talk:Communications subcommittees. Cbrown1023 talk 20:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

    Re: BlogEdit

    I'm not sure if you know, but our original reporting articles are being aggregated to Google News through our blog on Blogspot (Google hosted) at Synthesis articles could certainly be routed from there, however :-) Thunderhead 23:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

    Tsonga WikipediaEdit

    I would like to be made an administrator on the small Tsonga Wikipedia which doesn't have any active administrators. I would keep the project in order and stop spam and vandalism. --Z 19:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

    Please see Rfp.--Nick1915 - all you want 19:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

    Unhappy with an AdministratorEdit

    Dear Angela, I recently posted a brief description of a franchise I work for in Florida - USA Best Realty. It was immediately removed due to Wiki anti-advertising law. I questioned the removal of my submission and the allowance of a certain advertisement "Ice Records" by this particular moderator - Nawlinwiki

    I only want "fairness" in regards to my submission. Other companies listed on Wikipedia's List of Franchises were allowed information pages. Why did this moderator blatantly delete my submission? This particular person rudely questioned my integrity regarding this submission and, if you look under Nawlinwiki's discussion page, others have questions his/her actions in a similar way.

    I am writing to you since you are an upper level moderator to report moderator abuse.

    Please look into these actions.

    Thank you,

    Ariverawpb 04:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

    You shouldn't be writing articles about your own company. See Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy. Angela 08:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

    Commons OTRS requestEdit

    Hi, Angela — Communicated with you once when you monitored and your name is the only one I recognized on OTRS. Need advice, if you might be the person who would be interested in following up on my permission email from Rylands Library which I haven't sent to OTRS yet, concerning this deletion discussion on Commons. Did not use any official template, but library e-mail string rather fascinating. Athrash 01:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

    Just saw the foundation is moving the office, bad timing on my request, anyway the OTRS response [Ticket#2007102210014251] turned into a comedy of errors. If I have to contact the archivist at Rylands Library again because he did not use the words "public domain" in his release, I need to know exactly what license: GFDL, CC by SA, PD-old, to inquire. The sample statements do not apply at this point. I have asked these questions repeatedly in good faith with resultant silence, ambiguous replies or questionable actions. Certainly, I do not understand the need for two PD licenses on one image. Are they saying PD-old for the document and PD-art for the photograph, Admin Bryan says PD-art does not work for photographs in UK, what, PD-old is not enought? I interpret the archivist's statement, no copyright, as clearly public domain, an archivist photographs documents whether he personally handled the camera or not, and to have to followup with him in that regard as to who photographed the fragment would only highlight the unprofessionalism (read: volunteerism) of Wikipedia, myself included. Athrash 20:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
    Maybe we should consult the Magna Carta, I jest, but seriously... Athrash 22:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

    Open-source Ticket Request SystemEdit

    Dear Angela,

    I saw you listed on the OTRS page. I am an administrator over at Wikibooks and I was wondering if you could answer a question that i need answering. The book b:The Guide for Electronic Theses and Dissertations is not currenly licensed under the GFDL, it is copyrighted. The owners have expressed an interest in allowing the book to be used on wikibooks. However, they are not entirely sure how to do this.

    Upon holding conversations with other user's and contributors to the wikimedia projects, I am under the impression that there are two key ways of making this happen. The first involves the copyright holder altering the copyright notice on their website, the other involves the OTRS system, through the permissions channel. However, i am not familiar with the OTRS system and before i can explain how it works to the copyright owner, I need to know myself.

    Would the copyright owner need to send an email directly to the OTRS channel, or could correspondance be forwarded from myself? What exactly needs to be sent in the email outlining permission? Where exactly would permission need to be sent? etc...

    If you could please mull over these questions and get back to me as soon as possible, it would be greatly appreciated.

    Regards, Urbane 15:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

    Simple text versionEdit

    I recently posted a suggestion on the trans com talk page, which I think should be worth trying next time there is a text that really should be translated to as many languages as possible. Now we're in the middle of the fundraiser and I don't expect the transcom people to consider any suggestions at all, but when the time is right for trying the concept, would you consider preparing such a simple version of a text to be translated so we get a good sample to make evaluation of the system? If not, maybe you could suggest somebody who might? // habj 12:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

    It sounds a good idea. Are you on the translation mailing list? That would be the best place to propose it. Angela
    I am on that list, yes. Hmmm maybe so. So far I've talked to Aphaia/Britty, and one of the Chinese translators. I'll consider bringing it to the mailing list. // habj 20:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

    Access request for #wikimedia-checkuserEdit

    Hi, I'm Agony from fiwiki, and I'm requesting access to #wikimedia-checkuser. My details are:

    Nick: Agony|
    Cloak: wikipedia/Agony

    Thank you and regards, --Agony 20:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

    I don't think I have access in that channel. You'd need to find a channel op to give you access. Angela
    Then there might be slight error in IRC channels#Crosswiki access coordination. Thanks anyway :) --Agony 10:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
    Interesting... I've never been in that channel but maybe someone gave me access without telling me. :) Angela 11:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
    Ask someone listed as having level 30 or above on the list produced after you type "/msg chanserv access #wikimedia-checkuser list". Cbrown1023 talk 20:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
    Thanks for the tip, I will. --Agony 10:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

    Please provide source and licence details for this image otherwise it might be deleted according to policy as it currently has an unknown copyright status. Thanks. Adambro 19:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

    I've deleted it. Angela 14:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

    Deletion policyEdit

    You said "Articles that you don't feel meet WM:IP should be listed for normal deletion", but the seventh point of Criteria for speedy deletion doesn't agree with you ;)--Nick1915 - all you want 02:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

    I disagree. A parody of Wikipedia isn't something that is "clearly irrelevant to the Wikimedia Foundation". (and perhaps that point should actually be changed to say community instead of Foundation). Angela 08:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
    Hello Angela. Following your above remark, I started a discussion at Meta talk:Deletion policy#Speedy deletion general criterion #7. If you have time, I'd appreciate your thoughts. Regards, Korg 15:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

    "Speedy" mistakeEdit

    My error I rather think. It was tagged as such but someone I trust & I failed to review it more thoroughly, sorry --Herby talk thyme 07:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

    Sorry Herby and Angela, I didn't mean to get it deleted, its just that it was written in such a way that it felt like it either belonged on ED or Uncyclopedia' since i edit on uncyclopedia, the resemblance was uncanny..sorry for the mistake..and I'm really sorry Herby for breaking your trust in me..I'm really really sorry..--Cometstyles 08:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

    Requesting removal of admin privilegesEdit

    Hi, could