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Community Wishlist Survey 2023
Citations
5 proposals, 296 contributors, 539 support votes
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Allow citations to be edited in the references section with VisualEditor

  • Problem: In VisualEditor, it is not possible to directly change the text of citations at the end of the article. Instead each citation in the article body must be clicked and edited individually. This makes the whole process very tedious and more complicated than it needs to be.
  • Proposed solution: Allow citations and footnotes to be edited using VisualEditor directly in the references section.
  • Who would benefit: People who want to change information in citations.
  • More comments:
  • Phabricator tickets: phab:T54750
  • Proposer: Blidfried (talk) 13:52, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

  • Original German proposal:

    Problem: Es ist nicht möglich den Text von Einzelnachweisen am Ende des Artikels direkt zu ändern, stattdessen muss jeder Einzelnachweis im Text einzeln angeklickt und bearbeitet werden. Das macht die ganze Bearbeitung sehr langwierig und komplizierter als sie sein müsste.

    Lösungsvorschlag: Es sollte eine Möglichkeit geschaffen werden, dass Fußnoten direkt Bearbeitet werden könne, so wie etwa bei Microsoft Word.

    Wem würde dieser Wunsch helfen: Jedem

    Copied by MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 03:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    An easier attempt, would be, to have a bot move all citations to reflist, leaving an anchor inline. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 04:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So with itemizations, you mean references or footnotes, and by editing you mean using the visual editor? --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 11:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Matěj Suchánek: I'm pretty sure they mean references, yes. I've copied the original German proposal above. We have a German speaker on our team that I can ask to engage with this user, if need be. I know VE already lets you edit references, so I'm guessing they are using the 2010 editor. If those assumptions are true, I wonder about feasibility. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 03:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The German text makes it more clear now.
    I know VE already lets you edit references – that's true, but the point is: each itemization in the text must be clicked and edited individually. So I believe this is indeed related to visual editor.
    --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 07:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @@Blidfried: Danke für dein Proposal! Wir würden gern sicher stellen, dass wir Deinen Vorschlag richtig verstanden haben. Beziehst du dich auch den Visual Editor? Füge gern noch so viele Details wie möglich hinzu um Dein Proposal aussagekräftiger zu machen. KSiebert (WMF) (talk) 13:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ja, richtig im Visual Editor. Ich möchte gerne die Fußnoten am Ende der Seite direkt anklicken könne. Blidfried (talk) 13:43, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This is about the editing of reflists -- which cannot be done in Visual Editor. Thingofme (talk) 15:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Being able to see the change to the reference in the new real time preview for 2010 WTE is something I find really great, so I can definitely see the appeal of this request. And maybe being able to do this would also unlock using list-defined references in VE. Izno (talk) 07:16, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Voting

Linking of citing tool with Wikidata

  • Problem: the data for books and papers in the citing tool has to be introduced every single time the book is used. Even though you have now a drop down that lets you choose information you have introduced once before, you still have to remember the beginning of the element (ex. ISBN) to be able to choose in the drop down.
  • Proposed solution: linking the citation with a Wikidata element would, by choosing the Q number of the book/paper (ex. wikidata:Q208002) or the title, allow you to fill out all the elements in the citation (if the element already exists in Wikidata).
  • Who would benefit: everyone using citations of books and papers repeatedly.
  • More comments: This would also encourage the creation of the books/papers used as citations in Wikidata.
  • Phabricator tickets:
  • Proposer: Ecelan (talk) 19:25, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

  • This is allready possible. It have to be just enabled on certain wiki. I am just affraid it would not have the expected outcome. We were researching this last year for Czech language projects and we came to conclusion that the system is way difficult to bring good outcome. I.E. if you are generating citation using QID, Citoid in VisuaEditor use Zotero, which is using a template, but for example this template is not comaptible with templates on the projects (at least not so much compatible with Czech templates). So it brings you pretty bad outcome. That is actually surprising because both wiki and CSL template points out they respect the same ISO standard. So some parts of output could me manipulated on each wiki to have better outcome, but some cannot, as there are limitations. So in this sence I would refolmulate the wish the foundation, does not use Zoter or CSL to map from Wikdata (now its from Wikidata to CSL and from CSL to wiki templates), but directly map from Wikidata to wiki templates. --Juandev (talk) 21:23, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I am no programmer, and I don't understand much of what you are saying, apart from "it's complicated". I'm a friend of the salami tactic: so a first step could be to create per button the text of the reference (<ref>{{cite book |title=bla bla |etc. }}</ref>) in Wikidata. Then the user could move it to Wikipedia per copy/paste. That shouldn't be so difficult to program [said the non programmer...] --Ecelan (talk) 22:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support any kind of citation database that means that primary information is entered just once and stored and that all other displayed citations are drawn for this one source. Some notion of versioning would assist, so later modifications to the primary information would not result in editor‑confirmed details being summarily overwritten. I made some notes and provided a UML diagram here to indicate some preliminary design requirements. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 22:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would need to see how this related to and worked alongside the OCLC record. I would actually start with getting the Wikidata information added to the Cite template. Gusfriend (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would actually start with getting the Wikidata information added to the Cite template. That is exactly what I was proposing. You open the citing tool, chose there a title, ISBN number or Wikidata Q-Number, and everything else is filled out automatically. --Ecelan (talk) 22:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • en:Template:Cite Q addresses this problem. It is intended to be transferable and is already used in a couple of dozen other projects. There is an outstanding request for Citoid to use Cite Q (also at phab:T289287). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I have another realisation of Wikidata driven source template for Wikidata: :ru:Модуль:CiteGost. So Cite Q is not the only one. D6194c-1cc (talk) 17:39, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same does de:Modul:Literatur supporting a couple of templates. But how could we offer an interface in a wp editor providing a wd search functionality and a button [create new entry] opening a new wd window if a book isn't in wd yet?
  • on huwiki the w:Sablon:Cite Q is used in FOUR articles only. Doubt anyone knows about its existence or you can get people to try and use a new type of template when they are already used to the others. A solution that you can build into existing ones would be more welcome. Xia (talk) 09:30, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Xia: Cite Q can be built into existing solutions. I have noted above an outstanding request for Citoid to use Cite Q. If hu.Wikipedia is your home project, you can use it there and write about it in Hungarian (its documentation is not yet translated from English), to tell others that it is available. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Enable (or allow) to use citations between languages, e.g. when translating an article, for translators. Jj14 (talk) 11:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Voting

Prompt for page number(s) for compatible cite sources (e.g. book, journal)

  • Problem: People often forget to add page numbers, making it more time-consuming to verify information for readers and editors.
  • Proposed solution: Prompt for page numbers in Visual Editor when adding a source type with page numbers, like book or report. Similarly prompt for time-stamp for audio-visual sources
  • Who would benefit: Editors, readers
  • More comments:
  • Phabricator tickets: phab:T216817
  • Proposer: Femke (talk) 21:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

  • With this, make it easier to add page numbers for quotations. For instance, I might be citing a book throughout, but some sections are from a certain page or chapter. There should only be one reference, but the citations can provide the page numbers. I see too many people making individual references for each page number or leaving out page numbers altogether. Both cause problems. Significa liberdade (talk) 21:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • w:Template:Cite book/TemplateData "pages" is already marked as "suggested" instead of "optional", so the field shows up by default when citing a book. What did you guys have in mind for the technical implementation of this wish? Did you want to move "pages" up to make it more prominent, display an extra popup, etc? –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Novem Linguae: good question. This is most useful for when you automatically generate a citation using ISBN numbers. I just realised that automatically generating citations for reports usually doesn't work, so maybe this wish is not as relevant for it. Possibly, it could also be triggered when you click on an already existing book or report citation without a page number. In that case, care has to be taken that the editor knows they're adding the page number for all instances of that source being used on the page (at least, before WMDE implements this wish.) Femke (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Voting

Warn when adding a url reference that matches the SpamBlacklist

  • Problem: When you want to add a reference from the automatic option (to a Wikipedia article via Visual Editor), the user does not know if this url is registered in the SpamBlacklist before saving.
  • Proposed solution: Warn when the url added as reference is registered in the SpamBlacklist, and thus prevent the warning from appearing when saving the page. This option is ideal for warning if a website added to a Wikipedia article is tagged as SPAM (even if that SPAM is from an unreliable source).
  • Who would benefit: Visual Editor users
  • More comments: The warning that the website to be referenced saves time, usually appears as an orange text warning (with the same way when show error that the url does not exist appears with the red text). Therefore, this warn text (maybe placed below the previewed reference) is not intrusive.
  • Phabricator tickets: phab:T276857
  • Proposer: DSan (talk) 22:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Voting

Auto-merging the identical references in HTML output

Discussion

Voting

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