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Hello, Klein Muçi. Welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum if you need help with something (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Also worthwhile acquainting yourself with the functions of global user pages. Happy editing!

 — billinghurst sDrewth 06:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Billinghurst: thank you! :)



Hey there,

Your sidebar is 95% Albanian right now (from an English perspective). We can set it up so that it is bilingual which will assist stewards, global sysops, SWMT members and non-Albanian editors/viewers with navigating your wiki. I have done the ground work with translating your sidebar as shown at sq:q:MediaWiki:Sidebar/sandbox. Please let me know if I was correct with my translations, or wrong. To make these bilingual, we need to move from having actual names to MediaWiki page names that contain the relevant information. On the left column, is the mediawiki page name for the page url and on the right column, is the mediawiki page name for the page.

For example, your livadhi (meadow) becomes sandbox-url|sandbox.

From there, we then need to create the mediawiki pages. sq:q:MediaWiki:Sandbox-url needs to be created with the page url ("Wikiquote:Livadhi") and sq:q:MediaWiki:Sandbox needs to be created with "Livadhi". From there, sq:q:MediaWiki:Sandbox/en needs to be created with "Sandbox" (or "Meadow", but the literal is preferred (I.e. Forum instead of Tavern).

This needs to be done for each item. It's cumbersome, but the best way to do it. sq:q:MediaWiki:Sidebar/sandbox should not be moved to sq:q:MediaWiki:Sidebar unless the MediaWiki pages are created, otherwise it will break the sidebar. Let me know if you want me to do this, or if you understand, ~riley (talk) 03:32, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

@~riley: Hello! :)
Thanks for taking your time to create MediaWiki:Sidebare/sandbox. Your translations are correct. I'm not sure only about the assembly part. Our Assembly is the same as your Village Pump. If you do understand that, we're okay.
I've been reading this page these days so I have the general idea of what you're saying. Nonetheless, can you make the first 2 translations possible? The welcome and VP page would be good choices. I'll use them as practical examples and complete the rest here and in SqWiki.
I'm not sure I have understood you correctly at the last example you gave though. Should "Livadhi" (Meadow) be translated to "Sandbox" in English? Given that we're trying to assist non-Albanian wiki users? I asked you to complete the translation for our Kuvendi/Assembly/Village Pump page above so I could have it clear how I should act on situations like these. I'm sure that if you do those two practical examples, the rest of the work will flow freely for me. - Klein Muçi (talk) 06:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hey Klein, translations complete for VP and for Welcome - refer to my contribs for reference. Use your judgement on the sandbox one. My opinion is to keep things simple and familiar. My understanding of the assembly page was wrong, hence changing to village pump. I think putting the button name as village pump or sandbox is essential for people to find it but once they've found it. I am not a fan of the tavern or meadow names because that's not what people look think of when they need help or to test something *shrug*. Best of luck with your sidebar updating; if you could shoot me a ping when everything is done, I'd love to take a look just to confirm nothing is broken. Take into account that sometimes things cache funny and purge slow, so changes may not reflect quickly. ~riley (talk) 07:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@~riley: Yes, that's what I thought too. Livadhi -> Sandbox not Meadow. I'll try to model after what you have made and I'll write you here (I'll ping) when I'm finished at SqQuote. I want to be sure everything is all right before importing the messages to SqWiki. Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@~riley: I finished with the system messages. I also made some small changes here and there. I haven't tried yet the new sidebar. Should I try it or do you prefer to take a look around before?
Question: Are translations like these ever handled by Translate Wiki? I'm talking about the "specific ones", not the ones like recent changes, random page, etc.
If everything is okay, I'll set up the new sidebar, maybe add some support for more languages and import everything at SqWiki. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Translations look good to me; just want to take a look post-translation - you're good to go ahead and move it all over.
Quite honestly, I have no experience with Translate Wiki. My understanding is only the general ones are. Once you move over the specific ones though, head onto Translate Wiki and see. If they are, that would be awesome but they aren't from what I can see. ~riley (talk) 19:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

@~riley: I did move the translations from sandbox to the system message itself and the Albanian links work fine but the English ones... :/ I changed my language in preferences to see how they change and the only ones that change are the three general ones. Take a look for yourself. Maybe SqQuote lacks something for the /en to take effect as a system message? It wouldn't be strange because I've basically set up that project from scratch and many things we take for granted in other projects have had to be created first. Or is that a core MediaWiki ability? Maybe I've done something wrong when translating the system messages themselves? Although this is unlikely to be true because even your translations didn't show up. Maybe I should have waited a bit more and I was seeing a cached version of it. Tell me how it goes. - Klein Muçi (talk) 05:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

It should show now! Looks good to me. ~riley (talk) 05:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@~riley: Yes, it does. Apparently the one I was seeing was just a cached version. Is there any other way to push the translation further for pages like that? Just hypothetically asking now. I mean for the pages content (only the unchanging parts). For example, I'm an English speaking user and I open the Complaints' Office. Is there a way to see the header of the page in English? - Klein Muçi (talk) 05:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Unfortanutely, not. Those features are only available for multi-language projects such as Meta, Commons, etc. ~riley (talk) 07:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@~riley: I see. Maybe it would be a good idea to make other projects too a bit more foreign-friendly. Some projects are obscure domains for many users, the Embassy being the only point of communication. Especially those that have different writing systems. I've tried to implement as many links to the Embassy as possible in SqQuote and SqWiki (all Sidebar links link to it and all the editnotices too) as part of my efforts for making them more foreign-friendly (that's why I liked your suggestion about the sidebar links and I'm already translating for some other languages) but not many projects do that. A stronger interlanguage connection maybe would make Stewards'/other global privileged users' work easier, intersite traffic bigger and maybe that could even help in a better NPOV application. I mean, if that was a low-effort job because we're talking about details here now. (Meta/Embassy/articles translated in different projects/web browsers automatic page translations already take care of most of the translation needed.) But the method we just did with system messages already looked low effort/easy enough, so... Just hypothesizing here. - Klein Muçi (talk) 07:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Help to find user


Hello Klein Muçi Would you find me an user for writing / translating thr article of Isabelle de Charrière (Q123386) for the SQ Wikipedia? That would be appreciated. Boss-well63 (talk) 00:36, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Boss-well63: I don't deal much with article creation myself but maybe @Berishasinan: can help? - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
Sure! I'll look forward on creating the article soon. - Berishasinan (talk) 18:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
I'll look forward to it. Boss-well63 (talk) 19:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
I translated the article from EnWiki. You can check it out here. - Berishasinan (talk) 20:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thank you very much for all your work. Boss-well63 (talk) 21:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Naming contest support


Hi. Thank you for participating with your edit at one entry. However, we are using a different system for this vote. Please could you rank all of the proposals, either using the blue-button (gadget) at /Names page or manually at /Votes page? Sorry for the confusion, and Thank you! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:13, 6 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Quiddity (WMF): done. Thank you for telling me! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 02:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Templates translation wish



During the discussion stage, you wrote a positive comment about Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Translation/Templates translation.

We are at the voting stage now. Can you please a {{support}} vote there in the voting section?

Also, tell your friends about it! :)

Thanks! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Amire80: done. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:17, 13 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! :) --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:17, 13 December 2020 (UTC)Reply



If you're curious, you can find your StewardMark score (see my userpage). Thought you'd be interested in it. Leaderboard (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Leaderboard: hello! Thank you for reminding me! I'm a bit confused though. Assuming I've done all the calculations all right, I get the number 42 (isn't that the answer to everything? :P ). I see the conversion scale below the formula and I see that values aren't supposed to go past 20. Or should I be looking the middle table (StewardMark cutoff (/100))? - Klein Muçi (talk) 20:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oh, I should have checked the RAW data. Now things are more clear. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 20:32, 3 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Indeed, 42.4 is your StewardMark score (/100), and when converted to a 0-20 scale, it was 8.48/20 (grade D), with your percentile being 23.9. Personally I predicted a higher score for you, sadly. Leaderboard (talk) 20:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Leaderboard: thanks for the support! :) I don't blame the community because I fully understand that it's hard to trust basically a random person. Especially online. I only feel a bit bad about my only "official comment" I made during the voting process which was a bit with an aggressive undertone but I was getting really frustrated by the continuous comments showing me how I could engage on anti-vandalism, things that I knew already. I mean, I do understand even those comments because stewards duties are 85% anti-vandalism de facto (not to say more) but I've always had some different ideas on these subjects, some may even dare say radical, which I lightly touched with replies during the voting process. But the overall score by your StewardMark method is working good I think. - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your proposal at OTRS


You identified a major ongoing problem where OTRS lacks documentation yet for years people see these restricted closed links which are supposed to be an explanation of the issue.

This is a tangled troublesome issue which many people have been ignoring. I do not know what the solution is, but it starts with someone speaking out, and you are the first person I have seen in years who stepped forward to ask for support for community members who have to deal with such things.

Thanks for speaking out. There is no one in particular overseeing any of this as it is a volunteer effort, but thanks for making a request that everyone can see. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:08, 19 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Bluerasberry: Thank you for the support. I'd be willing to offer more practical help on the matter but given that I have no prior experience with OTRS, I'm not sure how much I would be of help on the exact practical side. Anyway, if things move forward for the better and if it can be agreed that I'm able to help even practically in the near future, I'm glad to do so. - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:31, 19 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Community Wishlist Survey 2022


Hi Klein Muçi, thanks a lot for your proposal that I have found when thinking about just very similar things, I have added my thoghts about that. Maybe you could integrate them into your proposal, if you think my thoguhts might be good? Best! Max P.S. You also speak german? :) (Klein Muçi) --Max schwalbe (talk) 10:12, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Max schwalbe, hello! I'm really glad to read that you support my proposal! I wanted to point out maybe what could be a perceived distinction between what you propose and what I'm currently proposing though. I don't know if you've followed the link I had put there with "more info" or if you have the homepage functionality activated already, but the general idea is that, at minimum, the homepage tab gets transformed in a plain typical/traditional "user profile" with some more added information than it currently has. This was already plan of the Growth Initiative and the infrastructure for that already exists but it was halted at what you'd currently get if you activated the homepage tab. At maximum, the homepage tab and the user page get merged together and every user has 1 plain profile they start with to which they can add information OR choose to completely change its look by altering its source code like you'd do with every wikipage. This would provide each new user the ability to have a profile and allow veteran users to still change that profile how they'd seem fit. This is where my proposal ends. And somewhere there your proposal starts. You propose that the overall babel system should be an integral part of these new profile pages (which I fully agree with) and that by using its components (its categories for example) and by integrating other similar elements we should be able to create a better social infrastructure (which again I agree with). The emphasize on the social part is what makes it be "a next step" to what I'm proposing there, which is, "All users should start with a profile, not a red link." or "Wikipedia should have its own traditional profile interface, like every other major website has.". Utilizing the said profile to create a better overall social network and create better interconnections between different users would be a next step after we had the profiles but we don't have even those. Please correct me if I'm wrong on my interpretation of your words.
Having said all that, I don't believe there is a need to change the proposal itself. I've deliberately left its ends a bit loose so other people (like you or even the tech team organizing this) can come and add ideas about details and the proposals may be rewritten from scratch by the tech team soon anyway, when the voting starts.
And no, unfortunately I don't speak German. But I've been made aware of the meaning my name has in German. The kid in me is happy. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:42, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply



Hello, could you please take a look at n:sq:Special:Contributions/ I reverted some obvious vandalism, but I know no Albanian so I don't feel comfortable reverting all of the more subtle changes. Thanks, ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
11:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

@1234qwer1234qwer4, hello! Thanks for the notification! I was initially confused as I wasn't understanding what kind of site I was actually seeing. I don't really remember when we had an active community in WikiNews for the last time, that site is a potential problem, now that I think of it. But, that's a story for another time, the contributions you mention are all utter nonsense. Feel free to revert them all. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! I've also blocked the range for a month since apparently this has been going on for quite a while. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
12:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
@1234qwer1234qwer4, judging by some of the comments, it's the same person that used to do those same kinds of edits some days/weeks ago in SqWiki. I believe the said user is a child and wanted to actually experiment with article creation/edit. It started nice in the beginning, actually adding some info but when we started correcting it, it progressed to an ever-increasing chaotic nature, typing nonsense everywhere it could, apparently because the overall guidelines/rules appeared boring to it so it decided that if it's going to be "against the rules", might as well not try at all anymore and just have fun pressing buttons. Eventually one of our admins blocked the IP in SqWiki not so long ago. I did get a talk page message by asking if I was still an admin some days ago (to which I replied 2 days later because I was on vacations), maybe as an attempt to appeal the block, but I never got a reply back. Apparently it has found WikiNews. - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:10, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
Right. I looked at their global contributions and found they have also edited more wikis, such as simplewiki, sqwiktionary (blocked them there too now) and the Incubator (where they have created you a userpage) recently, though a small fraction of their edits appear to be at least non-destructive (e.g.). ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
12:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
Hah! Interesting. Yeah, they're exploring. In these cases EnWiki has gone the extra mile with the Teahouse community but in SqWiki we can't afford much more than messages on summaries or the occasional talk page ones. Globally would be even harder to achieve (we'd actually be "babysitting" the whole ocean of internet), even though the idea looks interesting. Anyway these are all rants out of the focus here. Thank you for your action! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply



Hello, this is sort of a follow-up to the above request by 1234qwer, could you check the contributions by that IP range over at sqwikiquote? I believe the page creations are nonsense. Thanks! --*Fehufangą✉ Talk page11:24, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Fehufanga, yes, they were. Thank you for the notice! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! Looks like a global block may need to be enacted if they continue on other wikis; I've already blocked the range on simplewiki as well. --*Fehufangą✉ Talk page22:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Fehufanga, indeed. I was surprised to read that they continue their "assault" beside SqWiki and even on other languages (apparently). - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:09, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Update to commentlinks.js gadget


I am about to update my comment links gadget to link the comment's timestamp rather than add a separate [ link ] button. If you prefer the old style, that gadget will be available at commentlinks-v1.js. As before, this gadget is experimental and may stop working at any time, see T275729 for the task to make this a proper feature. Thanks, ESanders (WMF) (talk) 12:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

@ESanders (WMF), thank you for letting me know! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:32, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
ESanders, this is a recipe to break other gadgets. I'd suggest keeping link button as default and offer the timestamp link version separately. Also, it'd be nice if the links you added had a class so other gadgets/scripts would have a viable way to try and work around it.Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 13:29, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you!


Thanks for looking for and reporting vandalism on Urdu Wikipedia. I've just deleted the page. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

TheAafi, thank you for your kind words and fast action!  — Klein Muçi (talk) 13:31, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Trying to establish ITN there has made me more fast. ;) But you're "faster" than me. ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:34, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
TheAafi, ITN? I'm sorry for the lack of lingo but I failed to understand the abbreviation.
On a completely different subject, I was checking your userpage and I randomly found out that you have admin translation privileges in Commons. Would it be possible to help me solve some problems I'm having with a translation there? It is about a photo-campaign my community is having. I also have admin translation privileges but I'm failing to utilize them right. — Klein Muçi (talk) 13:44, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Klein Muçi: ITN is short for the "In The News" section found on Main Page. The English Wikipedia ITN remains best updated in my knowledge. Yes, I'd be glad to help with translation stuff. Link to the campaign page and what problem are facing? ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:46, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
TheAafi, oh yes! That's where I've encountered the term. I remember writing to the EnWiki ITN "community" some time ago about the fact that a lot of news were being very "dark" in nature (a lot of deaths) and that could be problematic for people suffering from different mental issues.
I'll write to you on Commons soon with the details. Thank you!  — Klein Muçi (talk) 13:51, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Regarding your 2023 failure


I would have expected someone to comment on your talk page already; the lack of that happening is what I see as systematic bias. Anyway, it is important to recognise that this failure is not a reflection of your capability in any way - you were just as competent and capable with the ones I got through this year. What you are running into is a combination of you being neither of

  • someone who specialises in crosswiki (eg Superpes15, Mykola7)
  • a sysop or higher on en.wiki (or similar) - we can see that since Xaosflux has a similar profile, yet passed comfortably (with a StewardMark of over 90/100).

In other words, you're being discriminated and much as I can do to prevent this, you were unfortunately screwed by the team of crosswiki bootlickers, who while a minority, were vocal enough (including some current stewards) to derail your candidacy. Unfortunately it's them that make the stewards team rather homogeneous, to my frustration (we all speak of diversity, but how many can practice what they preach?). And I very much encourage you to keep trying and hopefully defeat these bootlickers one day, even though I understand if you've given up.

P.S: one option would be for you to take the GIE route instead, if you foresee the need for technical work. Leaderboard (talk) 05:03, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Leaderboard, I was going to post something similar but a lot of other works around. I just remember a poet saying, this is a tavern where lovers like us are heard, I mean, of course, the bootlickers will go one day, fortunately. @Klein Muçi is a deserving editor and will definitely win over that bulk of discriminators. ─ The Aafī (talk) 14:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Leaderboard, @TheAafi, thank you for your support! After 3 years of disapproval I've genuinely started to believe stewardship may not be suitable for me. Coming from a small project in which I'm currently the only active admin for more than 1 year now and one of the few in my country to provide off-wiki tutoring, every time I try to "go global" means either double the work or slacking off at my local duties and taking that into consideration, I'm not sure how much more I can raise my crosswiki contributions (as I mentioned to user Daniuu in my reply to their question). Besides everything, re-running every year would feel like a loophole abuse and after being opposed for 3 times in a row one starts having dilemmas whether they might be accidentally doing some kind of exploitation to the system.
I have indeed considered GA and GIA positions after my second candidacy but, as I said, for the moment I worry too much about the whole exploitation thing to try and apply for any other positions shortly.
Nonetheless I thank you a lot for the support shown! It gives new light to such experiences. Yesterday I was also approached by email by user Giraffer, who also wanted to express their support. I'd really wish it would be common practice for the candidates to say some closing remarks on their candidacies after the elections are over, whether they were elected or not. The elections tend to end rather unceremoniously. In the lack of such a practice I'm glad for these supportive messages. — Klein Muçi (talk) 15:12, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Klein, there is no concept of "exploiting" the system or "loophole" abuse, at least from my end, but then I've almost never seen someone to stand through three consecutive elections and fail. There indeed has been one person who ran for 8 elections consecutively and failed (Cekli829). However, I don't see their case applying to you, because that candidate was unfortunately quite incompetent (and would be heavily marked down for their illogical answers to the questions). Hence, at least from my end, I don't see a problem with you trying again for the fourth consecutive election. I can understand you getting tired of failure though. The biggest issue however would be people accusing you of being a "hat collector" - however this normally happens for lower-level positions (such as GR) and I don't foresee you running into that issue.
GIE (not sure what you mean by GA) is independent of your applying for stewardship - if you have the need, apply for it.
@Ferien:, it's not just that "Stewards just being a group of select global sysops" that makes me infuriated, but that if Klein was of a similar position on en.wikipedia, he would most likely have passed with margin to spare, as with AmandaNP, MBisanz, Barras and Xaosflux. That's simply unfair, as one cannot be judged by the wikis they contribute to. Leaderboard (talk) 17:25, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Indeed – it always seems crosswiki experience is an issue with editors from smaller wikis, who end up being more involved in the global community, such as Klein, but not for editors from enwiki, such as... pretty much every enwiki admin that's ran for steward ever (if they weren't a controversial editor over there)? --Ferien (talk) 20:31, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Leaderboard, I very much agree. It seems even some of our best stewards fail to identify what actually makes a good one. And it's especially concerning to see they expect the same kind of experience from each candidate: Stewards just being a group of select global sysops prevents them from being representative of the Wikimedia movement. Klein Muçi, I would strongly encourage you to run again in the future, although you may want to take a break after running 3 years in a row. --Ferien (talk) 16:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Leaderboard, that's interesting. I was expecting myself to be unprecedented in this aspect. (Unrelated to the situation, I'm curious if when you say "8 elections" you mean 8 consecutive years or not. Maybe elections happened more often back then.) Your words sure are reassuring and if I manage to keep up the crosswiki work and be better integrated in the Meta community in general I may hope to try again in the future, albeit non consecutively.
With GA and GIA I meant, maybe erroneously, Global Admin and Global Interface Admin (respectively for GS and GIE).

As for what you and @Ferien have been discussing about elections in general and small wikis candidates, I thought 2 times about writing a similar answer to Ferien's question but I stopped both times because of a certain dilemma. On one hand, the banner about SE appearing globally (and the notice that issues) makes it appear like almost anyone can set up themselves as a steward candidate. On the other hand, de facto that doesn't happen because other factors come into play like what you mention (having a lot of crosswiki edits, being active/integrated in big wikis, etc.) These are deciding factors and will play a role in the elections. Maybe it would save everyone's time if they were also integrated as de jure standards for candidacies. When I thought about proposing such a thing I was hit by the fact that maybe that would be too constricting. Real life political elections in many countries operate by similar de jure principles as the SE elections currently do (usually something on the lines of each person that has reached mature age has the right to elect and be elected...), even though de facto independent candidates have lower chances of getting elected when compared with candidates coming from the major parties. You would also inadvertently maybe hinder overall participation in voters. This made me think that maybe SE are good as they are but then again, you have a high chance of getting candidates which will potentially not be elected (and a high chance of getting such discussions happening over and over again). Feeling myself lost in this dilemma I refrained about commenting on it neither on Ferien's question, nor on the aforementioned discussion. — Klein Muçi (talk) 23:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
79.45%, there are moments that the support rate is >=80%, so it's maybe unlucky. Thingofme (talk) 16:01, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Klein Muçi:, apologies for the delay, which was due to work.
  • "I'm curious if when you say "8 elections" you mean 8 consecutive years or not" - indeed, 8 consecutive elections - with the exception that there were two elections in 2011. You can see that candidate in the old steward election pages.
  • Also BTW: I don't think the GS (global sysop) role is a good choice for someone like you. GS is more or less the "next step" from GR, which means that candidates applying for GS usually have only antivandalism in mind. In the past there were a couple of candidates that got GS for technical purposes, such candidates would nowadays be redirected to GIE, as that's a role designed for technical maintenance.
Also: regarding elections:
  • you are not the only candidate with limited crosswiki experience (and not a en.wiki or similar sysop) that have stood in the past. The difference however is that (at least since I started setting steward election questions) is that you are the only candidate from that group who did not screw up in the answers to the questions set. Past candidates have given incorrect answers or simply were incompetent for the elections (such as one who attempted to stand for elections only to apparently violate the steward homewiki policy). These candidates would unfortunately not stand a reasonable chance of getting elected, as much as I want to see diversity, such candidates need to show that they know how things work and show competence.
  • compare these candidates to yourself. In the 2021 elections itself, despite your lack of familiarity with the process, your answers were up to the mark and clearly showed that you know what you were doing. Your answer to 1234qwer1234qwer's followup in 2023 was almost a "star" answer in that it was succinct and showed your unique viewpoint in a way I didn't expect - this was marked up. Personally, before setting that question I was a bit unsure on whether your AGF (attempt good faith) answer (that you gave to Sotiale's question) was the way to go - but I was convinced after that answer to 1234qwer1234qwer's followup. The point is that you were every bit as capable as the ones who did get elected, which is why your failure frustrated me so much.
  • It should hence be clear as to why most of the "new" candidates fail - while it is not reasonable to expect people to be crosswiki bootlickers or en-wiki sysops - it is reasonable to expect people to be familiar with the processes and have a clue - after all, we don't want a steward that does not know what they are doing.
Leaderboard (talk) 06:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Leaderboard, no problem at all. It is indeed surprising to hear about the determination of someone taking part into the elections for 7 consecutive years. I read all their questions and answers throughout the years. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about the whole English language matter though; It seemed like the language part made things even worse than how they currently were (by the blocking and lack of information or answers). Basically all my "yada-yada" throughout these 3 years can be summarized in 3 points:
  1. Help bring global standardization (that also helps new users), technically, visually, et cetera;
  2. Engage organically with communities and assume good faith;
  3. Develop technical infrastructures to break the language barriers;
I believe the overall community must have changed its stance about English during this decade...

Thank you very much for the good remarks regarding my answers!

As for It should hence be clear as to why most of the "new" candidates fail - while it is not reasonable to expect people to be crosswiki bootlickers or en-wiki sysops - it is reasonable to expect people to be familiar with the processes and have a clue - after all, we don't want a steward that does not know what they are doing....
In the practical sense, we agree. However it should be noted that what have a clue means can be prone to a lot of interpretation. I remember one user writing on one of the first neutral votes I got on my first candidacy (2020) that sadly the SE process tends to disadvantage candidates that come from small projects that don't have CU/OS. I believe I have a good understanding about how blocking/unblocking and giving/removing privileges works because I've had the chance to utilize those functions in my homewiki but I can't say the same things about the CU and OS roles because my homewiki doesn't have those. (We don't even have an ArbCom for that matter.) I only know what I know by reading the specific Meta policies/requests and Mediawiki pages related to those roles and one might as well say that I don't have a clue about those aspects. This extrapolation can be made for any candidates coming from small homewikis which again leads to the dilemma I mention in the answer above. (And also to the whole "you need experience to get a job" matter that deals with risk mitigation and good faith assumptions in general in 1234qwer1234qwer4's answer.) Just a general ranting because, as I said, I agree with what you've written. — Klein Muçi (talk) 03:52, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply