Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Miscellaneous/Structured user pages

Structured user pages

  • Problem: Users currently don't have structured user pages/profiles
  • Proposed solution: Allow for the possibility of structured user pages
  • Who would benefit: New users specifically, everyone generally
  • More comments: Currently users start the Wikimedia journey with a blank user page/a red link. This creates confusion among new users which have to learn the differences between the account and the user page, both concepts which can exist independently of each other in MediaWiki. Most new users, coming from the social media era, expect to find "a profile" when they create an account, a premade structured user page that showcases some basic information, maybe their contributions/achievements or even a way to easily reach into their preferences. The idea was entertained a bit in the Growth initiative with the homepage update but was deemed a bit hard to follow through currently. Having the possibility of structured user pages (maybe starting by expanding the functionality of the homepage tab) would not only help in alleviating the confusion the current system creates on new users (witnessed it first hand in many wiki-workshops) and help them actually have a profile other than a page with the text "Hello!" at most, but it would also help in bringing more integrity to the account itself, possibly suppressing the multiple fake account creation process by one user, given that an account would appear to be more than a "random red link" then. More detailed information can be found in this conversation where the idea is discussed more thoroughly in a brainstorming way.
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  • Proposer: Klein Muçi (talk) 01:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

See phab:T173145.--GZWDer (talk) 21:15, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
@GZWDer, I did read what you just linked to but I'm not sure if it is really related to what I'm proposing above. Can you elaborate on that please? - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I completely support efforts into this area, there is an urgent need for that! I expect, the disorder and non-existing usability to build social infrastructure might be the main issue that leads to loss of newcomers and especially female authors (gender-gap). Males might suffer under this as well, but maybe they're more able to compensate this in any way than women. I don't know whether situation in DE:wikipedia is the same as in other languages, at least from my perspective there are two central nodes to establish a functional social infrastructure: Perspective 1: Wikipedia:Babel might be a great tool to build your own social profile (not only about languages). However, for newcomers it is hard to understand how to build your own babel/contribute new babel-parts. And, you can't search for user attributes easily that babel data actually provide. I guess it should be possible to overcome this, if somebody really takes work into this. Perspective 2: Category:Wikipedia user space actually provides information as a social network. However, it honestly NOT seems like this. An intensive maintainance/administration of those category-pages could qualify them to a very efficent social infrastucture. Not to talk about funny cats, it is needed to find authors with similar interests to work more efficent together and to avoid the feeling that you're surrounded by cold bots just revoking your edits... should I make a new propose for that or could it become combined with the proposal here?--Max schwalbe (talk) 09:34, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Klein Muçi -- thank you for proposing this! I'm the product manager for the Growth team, and I just wanted to say that we agree that a structured user page would be helpful for newcomers. We think it will allow them to build an identity on wiki that will help others trust them, and make them more likely to stay engaged. I'm going to link this wish to the project page where we considered this project. We still do want to build it one day, but have prioritized other work for newcomers. I'll be sure to contact you to follow along if we return to the idea. MMiller (WMF) (talk) 04:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
@MMiller (WMF), glad to read that. Ever since I've joined Wikimedia (8 years ago), 2 were the things that have baffled me:
  1. I have to somehow sign every comment?!
  2. Where's my profile?!
The first concern has been taken care of lately, so I feel strongly about the 2nd one now. I'd appreciate knowing more about this in the future. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Voting

  •   Support Let the structured user page also offer some suggestions for this personal page, at least about languages that someone masters, without the need to use the templates. --JopkeB (talk) 06:05, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   OpposeSHEIKH (Talk) 13:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support OwenBlacker (Talk) 22:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support Tgr (talk) 23:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support This is a good motivation for people to join and contribute Amir.h7 (talk) 14:14, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support daSupremo   22:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support Thingofme (talk) 01:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not social media. I exaggerate, but the point is that there is no need to go in such direction. Just make an infobox. Major Wikipedias will likely not even enable this, just like the whole flow discussion thing. —  HELLKNOWZ  TALK  enWiki 11:19, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support A nice way to avoid a user page being considered by their new owner as the article page they want to create. Trizek from FR 12:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support This could be offered as an option to new users when they sign up, maybe with a page wizard? Daniel Case (talk) 22:39, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support Rdrozd (talk) 18:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support Kenraiz (talk) 16:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support Exilexi (talk) 18:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support--Vulp❯❯❯here! 04:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support Ayumu Ozaki (talk) 07:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support Newt713 (talk) 14:07, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support --Ciao • Bestoernesto 17:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Encyclopaedia not social media — DaxServer (t · c) 21:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   SupportTheDJ (talkcontribs) 18:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support Meiræ 22:22, 10 February 2022 (UTC)