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Welcome to Meta!Edit

Hello, Quiddity (WMF). Welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Happy editing!

-- Meta-Wiki Welcome (talk) 21:58, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes I agree Sheriff Muhammad Ali (talk) 03:06, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Staff listEdit

Are you listed on wmf:Template:Staff_and_contractors? PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:55, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Not yet, I was planning to do that in a few minutes. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:00, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Hovercards - el-WikipediaEdit

Hi Quiddity. I am an admin in el-wikipedia. Your message to another admin[1] came into my attention. Hovercards have been discussed last month in the Greek Village Pump (Agora) in September el:Βικιπαίδεια:Αγορά/Αρχείο 2014/Σεπτέμβριος#Μόνιμη ενεργοποίηση των αναδυόμενων, as well as in June el:Βικιπαίδεια:Αγορά/Αρχείο 2014/Ιούνιος 1-15#Αιωρούμενες κάρτες. The outcome of the discussion is that:

  • there is no objection in having the hover cards features pre-selected for all users
  • there is a request for a delay of appearance of the content (indicatively +0,2 sec - others talk about seconds) (apparently some users find the current reaction time too fast)

Regards from el-wikipedia.
Please reply to the el-village pump (el:Βικιπαίδεια:Αγορά). --FocalPoint (talk) 08:46, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Great news about Hovercards! I did the translation at User:Quiddity (WMF)/Hovercards trial/el. I have left out the mention of Navigation Popups, we don't have it as gadget in el.wikipedia. I calculated that only 7 active users have it as a script in their common.js and I believe the ones that have it in their global.js are a lot less. Apparently these users will know what to do, so I believe it's better not to bother the rest of the users and readers with something they are not aware of. -Geraki TL 15:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. Greek Wikipedia community has decided that we want the hovercards active for all users as a default, before autumn of 2014, as FocalPoint states above. Geraki is the only one who opposes to that decision ever since and the only one who has the knowlegde to enable it and he strongly opposes saying that Wikipedia is sometimes designed to be used by completely idiots navigating it and that he stands for users that really use it for deep knowledge. I run Wikipedia School for Wikipedia writers in Athens, Greece and every one of my students has hovercards enabled, they choose to. It is a feature new users always love and in all the years I have been lecturing in favor of Wikipedia I did have an everlasting complaint from Greek readers that they had to chaotically open many windows in order to be able to understand an article and that this was very confusing and let them pretty soon out of focus, before this. We, as a community, have also decided to provide User:P.a.a with Interface Editor rights to have an alternative in all cases Geraki decides he does not like something the community does, but he is the only active bureaucrat, so this is also paused from December 2014. Please help.--ManosHacker (talk) 03:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

ManosHacker: Hi there. I think there must be some confusion - Geraki is the person who asked us to enable Hovercards at elwiki, in this email reply! (Perhaps he personally disagrees with it? If so, he's still spending significant time to help the community-consensus be done. :)
Regardless of that, Hovercards is indeed coming to elwiki, and as soon as possible. As the messaging says, that Geraki translated at User:Quiddity (WMF)/Hovercards trial/el, it will be turned on for everyone as soon as the last crucial bits of code are written and reviewed.
Sorry it hasn't been sooner, but every small delay gives time for another bug to be fixed or feature added. :)
Hope that helps! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 03:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Quiddity (WMF). Just read above what he suggests. We have also decided for an estimate of a 0.2 seconds delay for enabling it, please consider. Regards, ManosHacker (talk) 04:12, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
I read again and again and maybe I am missimg something technical that makes me get the wrong picture. It's been quite long since we had any answer from Geraki on this, despite we ask for it from time to time. Sorry for the inconvenience, since the tool is to be enabled.--ManosHacker (talk) 12:39, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Please don't bother Quiddity, the above is a response to his block after his previous personal attack. ManosHacker, please don't make collages from out of context discussions such as about the naming of articles about governments to advance your point. :-) Geraki TL 12:58, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Ontopic and onpoint, if you care for Wikipedia and Geraki impact just read this from the village pump:

There are tenths of examples on Geraki impact, just make sure we have the hovercards enabled for all and we will wait for interface editor rights to solve the rest. I rest here.--ManosHacker (talk) 12:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Notice to el-wikipediaEdit

Please note that in your message, the link to the survey does not work.


Κάνουμε μια μικρή τροποποίηση στις Αιωρούμενες Κάρτες κατά τη διάρκεια της δοκιμής ώστε να περιλαμβάνει μια σύνδεση σε μια σύντομη έρευνα

--FocalPoint (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

@FocalPoint: Hi, the survey link that I included, is just meant to be a preview for regular editors to glance at in order to know what is coming, it is not the active survey. Perhaps that is confusing, and we should remove the link from the announcement? Please edit freely! I'm going to an airport soon, and will not be able to reply after this, for a day or so.
Also, I meant to mention the Hovercards open/close time-delay, that had previously been discussed. The developers working on Hovercards have requested that the El-wiki not change the site-wide default, because that will alter the data obtained from analytics, and therefor it would make the research either more complicated, or less useful. Instead, they recommend that editors who individually wish to override the defaults, should use the personal user.css config that is described at mw:Extension:Popups#Show.2Fhide_timing. Could you either tell me where to post that message, or perhaps translate it and place it wherever most appropriate?
Thanks again. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:08, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I understand that you were in a hurry, so you did not realize that the link was not working. I looked at it again, and there was a space missing (I am correcting it here as well as in Agora in el-wiki). I will translate your comment about defaults etc. --FocalPoint (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Done. Kalo apogevma (have a nice afternoon). --FocalPoint (talk) 20:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Community Engagement (Product)/Process ideasEdit

I see that you were the last member of staff to edit this, nearly two months ago. Do you or anyone else plan any further work on this page? If not, perhaps someone could formally close it down and say what, if anything, has been or will be done with the results. Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 21:23, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I/we do plan to work on it more. There are just many (so many) other tasks that have (slightly or greatly) more priority or urgency. Thanks for the nudge though. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:31, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
At the present rate of progress it will take you colleagues at least two years to complete. I think it fair to say that before the end of that time the value of the results will have declined to pretty near zero. If you do not have the resources to complete this task before that happens, then I suggest that you bite the bullet, declare it defunct and devote the effort instead to analysing why it did not succeed and developing lessons on how not to keep on repeating the same pattern of ineffectivity. Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 21:40, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Post movesEdit

Thanks for cleaning after Flow bugs, but I'm not interested in having my messages moved to Flow posts. Please instead move it to a wikitext page. Nemo 20:19, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I've changed the note, into a pointer to your other comment. Hope that works. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:50, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Zatul zara Zaharzara (talk) 09:07, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Don't delete redirectsEdit

Re mw:Talk:WMF Product Development Process. Nemo 20:23, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks, sorry. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:42, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Nemo 08:37, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Link problem!Edit

Hey, there!

I finished doing the translation, but there's a wrong link in the first page

This one: Ir al área temática 1: "Alcance"... goes to (the english version).

All the other pages are correctly linked.

This one: Ir al área siguiente: "Comunidades"... goes right to (<--here is the language) as the next one ( also does.

But i can't seem to edit any link. I'll appreciate if you might fix it.

Thank you in advance!

--Dportak (talk) 01:39, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Dportak: I think this edit should have fixed it. Please let me know if it doesn't. (You might need to bypass your browser cache). Thanks :-) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

It is fixed! Thank you... --Dportak (talk) 21:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey! Another issue... This page

leads to an automatic translation, but i can't seem to be able to edit it to make it fit mine.

Thanks! --Dportak (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Dportak: Hi, do you mean the content above the edit-window? (That is coming from Template:StrategyButton2016/editintro/Reach/es). If not, (and if you can't find it with the link below), please tell me which text you mean (just copy&paste the first few words, so that I can identify which part of the screen you mean!)
The full list of all the parts, with links, is at 2016 Strategy/Translations, in case that helps. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 01:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


Hi. I've reverted this edit on your page as it came from an anon. contributor which also broke your page. If it was you, my apologies, but don't forget to log-in next time :-) Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 10:38, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

That was not me (I was fast asleep), thanks for the revert. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 15:50, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Mbox to AmboxEdit

Hello. I don't understand the reasoning behind changing the style of some templates that used mbox to ambox. Those templates can be used on other namespaces apart from the main namespace, and mbox has autonamespace detection. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 13:23, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, you're right, I was mistaken or confused (A few templates were using custom style overrides, which is possibly what confused me). Thanks for pointing that out, I will revert/fix. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy processEdit

Note: Apologies for cross-posting and sending in English. This message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.

As we mentioned last month, the Wikimedia movement is beginning a movement-wide strategy discussion, a process which will run throughout 2017. This movement strategy discussion will focus on the future of our movement: where we want to go together, and what we want to achieve.

Regular updates are being sent to the Wikimedia-l mailing list, and posted on Meta-Wiki. Each month, we are sending overviews of these updates to this page as well. Sign up to receive future announcements and monthly highlights of strategy updates on your user talk page.

Here is a overview of the updates that have been sent since our message last month:

More information about the movement strategy is available on the Meta-Wiki 2017 Wikimedia movement strategy portal.

Posted by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, 19:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC) • Please help translate to your languageGet help

We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15)Edit

05:02, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Flow botEdit

Dear Quiddity,

while going through the nl.wikipedia list of bot users for an activity review, I came upon the following Flow related bot account: [2]. The name translates to "Userpagemanagement for flow". I noticed this account because it does not have a userpage, as is required by local and global bot policy. On a second check I found it is a localised account, while all accounts should be global. Finally, I could not find any logs that indicate how this account got its userrights. As such I came to you, as a flow community liaison. I hope you can shine some light on the matter.

I would like to know if the account is functioning and needed. If yes, please make it into a global account and create a user page. If it is not needed, I would like to remove its userrights.

Please note there is also another flow related bot account on nl.wikipedia [3]. There are no issues with this account.

I look forward to your response.

Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 08:19, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

@Taketa: (Replying since Taketa also asked on IRC to see if other team members were available): These are internal accounts handled by the software. Previously, the name of this account was localized (into Dutch and other languages). "Overlegpaginabeheer voor Flow" should be the username for that. Now, the name is always in English, so it is the same cross-wiki ("Flow talk page manager"). So you can remove the rights from "Overlegpaginabeheer voor Flow" if you want. Mattflaschen-WMF (talk) 13:59, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Join the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)Edit

19:30, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Translation of Turkish Strategy commentsEdit

Hi Quiddity! i did make the translations of Turkish comments at Survey collectors page. Let me share that it's clear that 132-133-134-135-136 were written by the same person and actually every statement is not one summary statement but rather they were thought like the parts of a text. Later, the user also shared the same text within our email group for strategy discussion and i had put written one summary statement here: Sources page, line 2 So maybe you may want to put only one statement into consideration--Basak (talk) 22:33, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
@Basak: Perfect, thank you for that work, and the context. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Do we change double byte punctuation to comma in graphs?Edit

Quiddity, hi, your edits including this looks odd to me. I have reverted one you edited 3 hours back (Cycle 1?), then found it needs to be clarified before it gets too complicated. We usually don't apply comma in ja sentences, with the exceptions of accademic theses. Any standards/kind of rules I have missed? ----Omotecho (talk) 19:46, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

(Note for onlookers: We posted at each other's talkpages at the same time: further details at User talk:Omotecho#Commas for graph support) --Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

About Cycle 3, Week 2 ChallengeEdit

I told Szymon that local wikis, including English Wikipedia, may be unaware about Challenge #2, oral knowledge. What to do about it? --George Ho (talk) 00:47, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Different communities and groups are progressing/updating at different speeds. However I'll send out some reminder notices, to previous Enwiki participants, and other group communication channels, later today. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 17:39, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Indonesia Salon MeetingEdit

Hello Quiddity, could you please add this information into this page. I'm not sure if I'm allowed or not to add the information. Terima kasih (thank you) --Beeyan (talk) 06:47, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@Beeyan: Done! Thanks. (Yes you could have added it, but the translate-markup makes things complicated, so I'm happy to help. Plus it gave me a reminder to sort the list chronologically. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:19, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Update regarding Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons tutorial videosEdit


I regret to inform you that the series of motivational and educational videos project, which had been planned introduce Wikipedia and some of its sister projects to new contributors, is being discontinued.

There are multiple factors that have led to this decision. The initial budget and time estimates were far too small for a project of this scale and complexity. Also, my simultaneous involvement in Cascadia Wikimedians User Group was problematic due to the shortage of human resources for the user group, which resulted in my spending far more time trying to help the user group than I had planned, so my time and attention were diverted from this video project to assisting the user group.

You can find more information in the final report for the grant.

I regret that this project did not fulfill the hopes that many of us had for it, and I hope that in the future someone with the necessary resources will choose to resume work on it or a similar project. If you are interested in working on this or a similar project then please contact the WMF grants team.

On a personal note, I am retiring from the Wikimedia community. Perhaps I will return someday.


--Pine 23:20, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Series director and screenwriter

Structured Commons newsletter, October 25, 2017Edit

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
Things to do / input and feedback requests
Presentations / Press / Events
Audience at Structured Commons design discussion, Wikimania 2017
Team updates
The Structured Commons team at Wikimania 2017

Two new people have been hired for the Structured Data on Commons team. We are now complete! :-)

  • Ramsey Isler is the new Product Manager of the Multimedia team.
  • Pamela Drouin was hired as User Interface Designer. She works at the Multimedia team as well, and her work will focus on the Structured Commons project.
Partners and allies
  • We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!

Design research is ongoing.

  • Jonathan Morgan and Niharika Ved have held interviews with various GLAM staff about their batch upload workflows and will finish and report on these in this quarter. (phabricator task T159495)
  • At this moment, there is also an online survey for GLAM staff, Wikimedians in Residence, and GLAM volunteers who upload media collections to Wikimedia Commons. The results will be used to understand how we can improve this experience. (phabricator task T175188)
  • Upcoming: interviews with Wikimedia volunteers who curate media on Commons (including tool developers), talking about activities and workflows. (phabricator task T175185)

In Autumn 2017, the Structured Commons development team works on the following major tasks (see also the quarterly goals for the team):

  • Getting Multi-Content Revisions sufficiently ready, so that the Multimedia and Search Platform teams can start using it to test and prototype things.
  • Determine metrics and metrics baseline for Commons (phabricator task T174519).
  • The multimedia team at WMF is gaining expertise in Wikibase, and unblocking further development for Structured Commons, by completing the MediaInfo extension for Wikibase.
Stay up to date!

Warmly, your community liaison, SandraF (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 14:26, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


Hi Quiddity (WMF), I use Wikipedia:Notifications extensively, but am unable to post questions to the en-wiki (I am indef blocked). Where can editors who cannot/would not post questions on the en-wiki ask questions/ provide feedback about this tool? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:09, 12 December 2017 (UTC) Please ping me

@Ottawahitech: The main page is at mw:Notifications on mediawiki-wiki. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 16:31, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Structured Commons newsletter, December 13, 2017Edit

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
Things to do / input and feedback requests
A multi-licensed image on Wikimedia Commons, with a custom {{EthnologyItemMHNT}} Information template. Do you also know media files on Commons that will be interesting or challenging to model with structured data? Add them to the Interesting Commons files page.
Presentations / Press / Events
Presentation about Structured Commons and Wikidata, at WikimediaCon in Berlin.
  • Sandra presented the plans for Structured Commons during WikidataCon in Berlin, on October 29. The presentation focused on collaboration between the Wikidata and Commons communities. You can see the full video here.
Partners and allies
  • We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!
  • Research findings from interviews and surveys of GLAM project participants are being published to the research page. Check back over the next few weeks as additional details (notes, quotes, charts, blog posts, and slide decks) will be added to or linked from that page.
  • The Structured Commons team has written and submitted a report about the first nine months of work on the project to its funders, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. The 53-page report, published on November 1, is available on Wikimedia Commons.
  • The team has started working on designs for changes to the upload wizard (T182019).
  • We started preliminary work to prototype changes for file info pages.
  • Work on the MediaInfo extension is ongoing (T176012).
  • The team is continuing its work on baseline metrics on Commons, in order to be able to measure the effectiveness of structured data on Commons. (T174519)
  • Upcoming: in the first half of 2018, the first prototypes and design sketches for file pages, the UploadWizard, and for search will be published for discussion and feedback!
Stay up to date!

Warmly, your community liaison, SandraF (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 16:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Join us tomorrow for the last event in the series Women in the Wikimedia movement: Women in technical spaces!Edit

Hi! Thank you for signing up to attend one or multiple virtual events in the conversations series Women in the Wikimedia movement [1]. Your participation has made the events and conversation really interesting and good so far.

In about 12 hours, we will be hosting the last event of the series, Women in technical spaces. The virtual event will take place on BlueJeans, and will be broadcasted on YouTube. Our presenters will be Josephine Lim, who will be presenting about her work contributing to the Wikimedia Commons Android app, and Ciell and Ecritures, who will be sharing their experience creating an all-women and non-binary people hackathon in the Netherlands. After their presentations, there will be some time for conversations. I want to encourage everyone to participate! To this end, please join us on the BlueJeans link if you are able.

I look forward to seeing you tomorrow! María Cruz

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:42, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

  1. If you would like to unsubscribe from further updates about this series, please go to the sign up page, and delete your name

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Spring 2018Edit

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter and contribute to the next issue. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
  • Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd webchat
  • Several Commons community members are working on ways to integrate Wikidata in Wikimedia Commons. While this is not full-fledged structured data yet, this work helps to prepare for future conversion of data, and helps to understand how Wikidata and Commons can work better together.
Things to do / input and feedback requests
Discussions held
Partners and allies
  • We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!
  • Prototypes will be available for Multilingual Captions soon.
Stay up to date!

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 19:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


Hello, Quiddity (WMF). You have new messages at Xiplus's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Summer 2018Edit

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter and contribute to the next issue. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
  • Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd webchat
  • Since our last newsletter, the Structured Data team has moved into designing and building prototypes for various features. The use of multilingual captions in the UploadWizard and on the file page has been researched, designed, discussed, and built out for use. Behind the scenes, back-end work on search is taking place and designs are being drawn up for the front-end. There will soon be specifications published for the use of the first Wikidata property on Commons, "Depicts," and a prototype is to be released to go along with that.
Things to do / input and feedback requests
Discussions held
Wikimania 2018
Partners and allies

Two research projects about Wikimedia Commons are currently ongoing, or in the process of being finished:

  1. Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
  2. Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.
  • Prototypes will be available for Depicts soon.
Stay up to date!

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 21:07, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data Newsletter - Research link fixEdit


The newsletter omitted two interwiki prefixes, breaking the links on non-meta wikis as you might see above. Here are the correct links:

  1. m:Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
  2. m:Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.

My apologies, I hope you find the corrected links helpful.

- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

The Community Wishlist SurveyEdit


You get this message because you’ve previously participated in the Community Wishlist Survey. I just wanted to let you know that this year’s survey is now open for proposals. You can suggest technical changes until 11 November: Community Wishlist Survey 2019.

You can vote from November 16 to November 30. To keep the number of messages at a reasonable level, I won’t send out a separate reminder to you about that. /Johan (WMF) 11:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Fall 2018 editionEdit

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
Things to do / input and feedback requests


Since the last newsletter:

Presentations / Press / Events
Partners and allies
  • The info portal on Structured Commons now includes a section on GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums).
  • We are currently planning the first GLAM pilot projects that will use structured data on Wikimedia Commons. One project has already started: the Swedish Heritage Board researches and develops a prototype tool to provide improved metadata (translations, data additions...) from Wikimedia Commons back to the source institution. Read the project brief.
  • The documentation for batch uploads of files to Wikimedia Commons will be improved in 2019, as part of preparing for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons. To prepare, the GLAM team at the Wikimedia Foundation wants to understand better which types of documentation you already use, and how you like to learn new GLAM-Wiki skills and knowledge. Fill in a short survey to provide input!
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Attracting your attention to a comment on Wikidata Project ChatEdit

Please see here. Pdehaye (talk) 09:37, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Captions in JanuaryEdit

The previous message from today says captions will be released in November in the text. January is the correct month. My apologies for the potential confusion. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)Edit

My apologies if this is a duplicate message for you, it is being sent to multiple lists which you may be signed up for.

Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...

Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 January or Thursday, 10 January 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:

  1. Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
  2. Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
  3. Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.

Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Video tutorial regarding Wikipedia referencing with VisualEditorEdit

Hi, I have received a grant from WMF to support production of a video tutorial regarding creating references with VisualEditor. I anticipate that the video will be published in March 2019. If this tutorial is well received then I may produce additional tutorials in the future for English Wikipedia and possibly other projects such as Commons and Spanish Wikipedia. If you would like to receive notifications on your talk page when drafts and finished products from this project are ready for review, then please sign up for the project newsletter.
Regards, --Pine 00:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)



So, your user page says that you deal with "documentation". Is that just technical documentation (of software and such), or are you also involved in documenting things like WMF internal processes and structure? If not, do you know if there is anyone who deals with documenting those things? --Yair rand (talk) 21:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Yair rand: Hi, it's been a while! I currently deal with a little bit of everything, but I might know if/who is more formally responsible for specific aspects. What in particular are you interested in? (This might be a good time to mention the 4 problems of documentation!) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
(Accurate. Too accurate. :)
So, I've been trying to look into what work could be done toward documenting some stuff about the WMF on Meta, and it's looking to be a bit difficult without any source material other than the scraps of information that come out here and there. (The WMF is occasionally frustratingly opaque.) I was wondering if the WMF itself might have a pile of information somewhere documenting who does what inside the organization (especially regarding those who interact directly with the community; there's a recurring problem of someone leaving the WMF and there being no way to find out who handles things now), how various processes work (I proposed moving the current page "Fundraising" so the space could be converted to an actual general description of Wikimedia's fundraising, but it occurs to me that I don't have the information to fill it with), and so on.
Perhaps there's some information on one of the WMF's internal wikis, which could be imported here? Or maybe there's some giant PDF somewhere that could be uploaded, which would then allow users to copy over some information? If the WMF has a lot of stuff within Meta's scope already documented internally, it would be useful to know about and, if possible, work with.
Looking through a lot of the gaps, the thought keeps popping into my head that we should have a template saying something like "The precise [responsibilities of this team/workings of this process/structure of this group] are unknown. If you have any further information which may hint at the answer, please post it on the talk page", which would, of course, be extremely silly :) . It probably would be possible to get a reasonable picture of some things just by raw investigative work, but we'd ideally avoid speculation, and I don't even know if anyone's ever tried just asking people in the WMF for some data, in case it's just sitting there. There might be an outline of team responsibilities somewhere, or explanations of decision-making processes, internal histories, or even a list of job descriptions.
Sounds worth at least trying. --Yair rand (talk) 03:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@Yair rand: These are really good questions, some of which I've been wrestling with for years, and I have been thinking about it more over the last couple of days since you asked. There aren't any simple answers (otherwise it would've been resolved already!). I'll give a more substantial answer or ideas later, this is just a ping for "I'm still thinking" for now. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:42, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - blogs posted in Wikimedia SpaceEdit

There are two separate blog entries for Structured Data on Commons posted to Wikimedia Space that are of interest:

  • Working with Structured Data on Commons: A Status Report, by Lucas Werkmeister, discusses some ways that editors can work with structured data. Topics include tools that have been written or modified for structured data, in addition to future plans for tools and querying services.
  • Structured Data on Commons - A Blog Series, written by me, is a five-part posting that covers the basics of the software and features that were built to make structured data happen. The series is meant to be friendly to those who may have some knowledge of Commons, but may not know much about the structured data project.
I hope these are informative and useful, comments and questions are welcome. All the blogs offer a comment feature, and you can log in with your Wikimedia account using oAuth. I look forward to seeing some posts over there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


Is this message still in use or can it be deleted from the wiki? --Sunpriat (talk) 12:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

This message are different on the wiki. Is it reasonable to make them so right through the site? --Sunpriat (talk) 12:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC) Used in several messages. Can plural be added to it? --Sunpriat (talk) 12:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:56, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
@Sunpriat: Oh! I checked again, and the currently used message is (confusingly) "Wlshowhideown" not "Wlhideshowown" - screenshot, so that one is solved, and yes I think the old one could be deleted.
I think that resolves all the questions in this thread. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 17:01, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Translation update timingEdit

@Quiddity (WMF): Is it normal that a translation [4] does not come to ruwiki even after a week? Is it due to undo that there may be delays? Or what is the delivery time (days? weeks? month?) for translations should be considered as normal? --Sunpriat (talk) 03:53, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Sunpriat: I believe this is because there was no new version of MediaWiki deployed to the servers for the last 2 weeks (per Tech/News/2019/47 and previous). Those translations should roll out this week (Thursday to Wikipedias). Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
@Sunpriat: Correction: There are more deployment delays due to US Thanksgiving holiday long-weekend. So those translations should appear on Wikipedias on December 6 (per). Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)


Can we somehow get a comment [5] from the WMF why the data [6] for 60% of editors are hidden for the ruwiki? What risk cases does the WMF see in data how many participants were from Russia? Or at least rename the "blacklist"[7] to the editors’s protection list. This disappoints and worsens the amosphere of the project when the WMF "blacklistes" your country. --Sunpriat (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

@Sunpriat: While we try to be as transparent as possible, we must also account for the privacy of community members. In this instance, releasing this data set makes it easier for a potentially malicious actor to identify the country from which an editor posts. For data releases, we conduct a risk analysis that (at a high level) weighs the likelihood of harm * the impact of harm, reduced by our ability to mitigate the harm. Using risk to journalists as a proxy for risk to editors, we decided that one of our mitigations would be to suppress data for countries that have the highest risk of harm for our editors. We do not have the resources to assess the safety of journalists around the world, so we depend on third party surveys. The organizations we rely on identified Russia and 29 other countries as potentially very dangerous for journalists[1].
We understand that we cannot control all of the risk factors (e.g. nation states generally have control over their Internet infrastructure and can monitor traffic), but that does not mean we want to introduce additional risk/exposure without any additional consideration. For example, nation states are not the only potentially malicious actors we are considering. But we also understand concerns from community members regarding their privacy (see, e.g., this comment regarding the release of this particular data set).
Regarding use of the term "blacklist" - we used that term because it's very common in the IT field and is used elsewhere in wiki projects, but we understand your concerns. If you think it's appropriate, we can discuss switching to the term "Protection List" which might alleviate your concern and perhaps be more descriptive. --JFishback (WMF) (talk) 19:48, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@JFishback (WMF): Thanks for the comment. I translated the message for the topic in that discussion. Regarding the blacklist, the Blacklist is synonymous with ban and sanctions, plus next to the countries in the title it is now close to the sanctions lists in the politics about which there are too many news, therefore the bold "Blacklist of countries" on the does not reflect good intentions, therefore I would suggest point to the wikimedia own data instead of nation states by specifying the title in the text as "Blacklist of countries data". --Sunpriat (talk) 23:24, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback @Sunpriat:. I have updated the Wikitech page to reflect a change to "Protection List" which hopefully alleviates the concerns while still providing useful information. I hope this resolves the issue to the extent possible. --JFishback (WMF) (talk) 23:36, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


Hi - did you have a chance to check on question from User talk:Katherine (WMF)? — xaosflux Talk 21:08, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: Hi, yes, and I'd also been looped-in via the other mailing list you contacted! I'm writing a reply to them now. I'll email you, too. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, replied and sent a contact request to that chapter. — xaosflux Talk 00:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Comments at Talk:FundraisingEdit

Hello Quiddity, I heard that you are on temporary loan to Fundraising. Comments at Talk:Fundraising have been going unanswered. Would you please read and respond to the comments there? Thanks, ↠Pine () 06:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

FTR: I've noted and apologized to Pine via email that I've not forgotten about this, just delayed. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Large bot-generated listsEdit

On Wikipedia, we can make bots that check articles (i.e. by catscan). Bots make a formated list and write it to the page not in the main namespace.

  • the result can be long, so it approaches one of the technical limits for page. For example, a page can be so large that it cannot be included in another page.
  • the result can be updated once a day, once every few days, or once a week.
  • this can be done for many wiki-projects or for monitoring the status of a specific list of articles

Only current data is needed and previous records are not needed. Often several lists are made on separate pages and they are included on one page - only the current lists are visible (similar to the special page of recent changes), and and the history does not need the history of those separate pages.

Hence a couple of questions:

  • How does the Wikimedia Foundation look at the fact that its resources are wasted not for articles, but to save unnecessary bot generated data? For example, a new version of an article is generated every day that is close to the maximum size or several small lists, and all this is done for several wiki projects every day forever. Or maybe we can freely create versions for hundreds of lists every day without hesitation? (on the one hand it's close to the “pillars of wikipedia” and to “what wikipedia is not”, on the other hand, if there was an explicitly declared permission or confidence that this does not create an unnecessary load, then we would deploy such lists more massively (more lists per wikiproject, more often updates, more statistics) and for more wiki-projects with fewer participants.)
  • Is it possible not to save old versions somehow? If this is beneficial for server maintenance and convenient for editors - can there be a namespace where old versions will not be saved or, for example, will be only the last 10, or it would be possible to switch the page to a new mode (Special:ChangeContentModel), or may not save marked pages to dumps - we can re-generate them, or, if it is profitable to maintain, can we make a list of pages / versions that can be permanently deleted after reaching community agreement on them, lists can even be written to another wiki (for example, data in a test wiki can be deleted) if they can be included in Wikipedia pages (non-main space), like files/datasets included from the commons-wiki.
  • Are there other ways to make it easier for servers to work with bot-lists? Are there bottlenecks (perhaps in the long run?) for servers when working with bot-lists?
  • Are there any guidelines, instructions, wishes from the WMF regarding such renewable bot-generated lists?
  • Can it somehow help, that sometimes old versions will be deleted for these pages? (with the current tool, versions are not deleted, but hidden)
  • Can creating and updating such lists in a separate (new?) namespace somehow help?

--Sunpriat (talk) 14:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sunpriat: Hi. These are interesting questions, but best directed towards the technical community. I suggest asking at Tech or at mw:Project:Support_desk. It would also help to include a few examples - I can guess you might mean pages like w:en:User:West.andrew.g/Popular_medical_pages and w:en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Tools but perhaps there are better or more diverse examples that you can share when you ask this again. I hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Copied to Tech. --Sunpriat (talk) 06:31, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Office hoursEdit

Hello, I've added an item to IRC office hours but I find it alarming that for so many months nobody bothered to update this page. I suspect that institutional memory went lost with new WMF employees, or whoever was responsible for reminding people to update the page has switched to a new role; do you think this can be remedied? Nemo 14:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: Sorry for the late reply. FWIW I have been thinking about this. I think part of the problem is that the phrase "office hours" is often used in different ways (and more so in recent years), and it doesn't always refer to "1 hour of IRC discussion" any more. I'm not sure of the best way to resolve it long-term (whether expanding the scope and changing the title of the existing "IRC office hours" page; or making a new page to collect the meeting-notes that are taken in other formats/locations; or something else). But thanks for your fix there in June, and for the nudge to me to think about it (which I'll continue to do). Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
The term "office hours" has always sounded weird to my ears of non-native English speaker, but it does have some understandable meaning: the persons running it open the window of their "shop" or counter for a conversation without appointment, or they set up a booth in the open street à la Lucy. It does imply that some participants are the "office" and others asking questions; this can be perceived either as negative (being elitist vs. proletariat begging) or positive (being democratic, putting yourself at the service of "strangers" and whatever comes up).
It's probably possible to come up with a better and more encompassing term but I don't know what. Nemo 10:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for editing this! I know that you have a lot of stuff on your plate already but it would be great if you could be given some work-time to update this section more comprehensively, e.g. by surveying and talking more directly with people in the various teams. The mw:Upstream projects page was already linked in the "See also" but indeed it should be more visible (and other similar resources should also be highlighted more, if they exist). Nemo 10:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: Thanks for the thanks. :) Yeah, I made another edit at the same time at Open Source Toolset, and was thinking about the FLOSS-Exchange section and wondering how much of the long-tail it would practically be helpful to add. -- I.e. I didn't add those 2 screencast recording apps into the FLOSS-Exchange page, even though I have used them for my work, because if every WMF employee added in every FLOSS program they have ever used, then the list would (A) be enormous, (B) massively duplicate the Open Source Toolset page.
I agree it would be great to have more items listed (in both pages), but I don't know where the limits/restrictions/overlap should be set at... E.g. I use kruler about once a week, but I don't think that's very useful to add to either page (partially because it's too "niche", and partially because I don't even like the tool, I just haven't found a better alternative yet!)...
Your thoughts? Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


Hi greetings, I've started a discussion regarding tech news delivery at Talk:Tech/News. I humbly request you to participate in it. Thank you.--Path slopu (talk) 04:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


Hi greetings, I've started a discussion regarding tech news notifications at Talk:Tech/News#Tech news notifications. I humbly request you to participate in it. Thank you.--Path slopu (talk) 10:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC)