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As we are a small team with limited resources, I would prefer that we try to keep discussions and information concerning the Community Tech team as centralized as possible and not spread over a multitude of pages on different projects, as it will be impossible for us keep them all up-to-date. I'm fine with posting some links to information about the team here, but let's keep the more detailed info on MediaWiki, which is where most (all?) WMF Engineering teams are currently documented. That should make communications a bit smoother, IMO. Ryan Kaldari (WMF) (talk) 01:13, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

What would you suggest as the best way to cross-document? Soft redirect? Basic info with big push to visit MW page? There has been some discussion of how to handle this at Meta:Babel. Curious what your thoughts are as an engineering team leader. The feeling seems to be that we need to do something to document all teams on Meta as most will not think to look at three wikis for team info. However, I am personally open to a lot of ideas on how that could be done. ;) --Varnent (talk)(COI) 16:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
My top preference would be a soft redirect to MW. That would minimize the chances of people starting separate discussions here. My second choice would be having just basic info about the team here with a strong push to visit the MW page. Ryan Kaldari (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
I think that is a reasonable approach to take for now. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 20:32, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
It does raise a question about the future of Community Tech project ideas. What or where does the team see as the future for that page? Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 20:56, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
I see that page as a forum for brainstorming and discussing ideas that can then be submitted to the cross-project technical request survey that we will be conducting (hopefully by the end of September). Ryan Kaldari (WMF) (talk) 00:33, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Garbage data in Special:GadgetUsage?

See discussion at de:MediaWiki_Diskussion:Gadgets-definition#Special:GadgetUsage. --Atlasowa (talk) 21:37, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not familiar with German, could you provide a gist of that discussion please? Thanks. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 02:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi NKohli (WMF)! Let me start with confessing that i think gadget usage stats would be really useful and that I AM PUMPED TO GET THEM ;-) The problem is that the gadget/preferences data is really messy. When dewiki tried to list gadget usage in 2013 (de:MediaWiki_Diskussion:Gadgets-definition/Archiv_2013#old-diff-style.css), we found that it is pretty useless/inaccurate for several reasons:
  • gadget prefs of dead/inactive users is indistinguishable from gadget prefs of active users. And there are much more old/inactive accounts. Makes the stats rather useless.
  • (translated:) "In the decade that we have been collecting properties, all kinds of values have been used sometime. There is null, "", 0, NUL, true, false, y and so on."
  • A gadget becomes default -> what happens to users that had opted-in before, how are they counted? For example CommonsDirekt was optional gadget, then default (with opt-out possibility), then optional gadget again (after MediaViewer activation). It doesn't appear in the usage stats at all?
This translation is difficult ;-) You can ask further questions in english at de:MediaWiki_Diskussion:Gadgets-definition#Special:GadgetUsage, and please describe how you got these gadget usage stats. Best, --Atlasowa (talk) 12:10, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for translating! Here are my few comments:
  • Default gadgets are not shown in the list at all because of all the data inconsistency issues. This was not reflected in the description on top yet, but I've pushed a patch to do that now.
  • We are working on adding a column to the table showing the number of active users per gadget. Hopefully you'll be able to see it by next week.
  • CommonsDirekt does not appear in the list because it is marked as default in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition#VeraenderungOberflaeche, as per my first point above.
I'll copy over this comment to the discussion page too. Thank you! :) -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 15:25, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

@ NKohli (WMF): Any updates? [1] and [2] still show no "active" users per gadget. --Atlasowa (talk) 11:08, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that, it's still a work under progress and might take a while. Additionally, the deployment train goes out once a week and the page is generated infrequently, it might be some time before you actually get to see it. Thanks for your patience. :) -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 13:52, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Cool, Special:GadgetUsage now with active users, thank you NKohli (WMF)! Brought the good news to Commons. "This list excludes gadgets enabled for everyone by default" - why not add a list of default gadgets to the special page, or a link where to find a list of the default gadgets (for the corresponding wiki)? --Atlasowa (talk) 09:31, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

That's coming soon. It's merged and will be updated after next report refresh. Cheers! NKohli (WMF) (talk) 19:08, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

citation bot

There are a bunch of solutions and possible solutions to the existing bugs in the citation bot listed on Who is in charge of implementing them in the dev bot for testing? AManWithNoPlan (talk) 22:37, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi AManWithNoPlan: It looks like the maintainer isn't doing a lot of maintaining anymore. Community Tech has done some work on the Citation bot in the past, but we don't plan on doing more right now. However, seeing your detailed analysis of pretty much every problem on User talk:Citation bot, you may be qualified to become the new maintainer. :) Kaldari and Quiddity: Is there anything we can do to help AManWithNoPlan to fix these bugs? -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 22:59, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay AManWithNoPlan (talk) 17:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@AManWithNoPlan: I suggest sending an email to Smith609, asking him if he'd be open to adding you as a co-maintainer of the source code; linking to your extensive feedback on the bot's talkpage and any other coding credentials you can share with him; and describing what kinds of work you'd plan to do (bug-fixes, feature-additions, documentation updates, perhaps even moving the master code from googlecode into github or mw:diffusion if that would help more people to collaborate on it). (Note: I am not a dev, but those seem like potential logical next steps!) HTH. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:53, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
@AManWithNoPlan: My suggestion would be to either submit some pull requests to the github repo ( or email Martin (Smith609) and see if he can add you as a maintainer to the repo (and maybe the tool labs projects as well). Martin isn't maintaining the tool any more, but he did merge my last few pull requests. If you don't have any luck with either of those approaches, let me know. Kaldari (talk) 23:47, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
I will attempt pull requests. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 23:49, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Feedback note


To make it clear for everyone about who is working on what, I've put a feedback note on 2016 Community Wishlist Survey and a few subpages at the bottom. This is like we do it at with some projects. Please check whether the information provided is accurate.

If it is, please put it on other subpages which list the proposals themselves, if desired. Thank you.

--Svetlana Tkachenko / Gryllida 00:59, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Community-Tech-fixes project

When somebody proposes some task for the team to work on in this area, I'm not sure whether the tag should be added to subscribers and whether it's ok to just add proposed tasks. From the workboard it's not clear which tasks are actually supposed to be worked on by the team. The description says "Please don't use this on its own", but does this mean that every task should also come with a component (normally #Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown) or that the tag can only be used together with #Community-Tech?

Maybe it's time to actually convert it to a subproject, or a tag, or something, and/or use an existing project used also by others, where to hold such tasks? Meanwhile, I added a mention of the project on phabricator:project/view/151/ (which hopefully doesn't give any false hope). Nemo 14:09, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

For fixing the popular pages bot and notifying relevant Wikiprojects. Keep up the good job! --Piotrus (talk) 07:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

List of most edited pages last month in

Hi, I have seen that page, and I wanted to know if there is a page to view the most edited articles last month of Bye, --Elisardojm (talk) 13:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

You can start with [3] IKhitron (talk) 13:23, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks IKhitron, I had visited that page, but the information is about the most viewed pages, I wanted info about the most edited pages in last month... Bye, --Elisardojm (talk) 13:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
I see. What about the third column here: [4] IKhitron (talk) 13:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Just that! Thanks!, --Elisardojm (talk) 17:21, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
No problem. IKhitron (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Size of the community tech team

From the project page it seems like there are only a few individuals in the team, is such a team too small to resolve too big of a problem that is all the problems faced by millions of users in thousands of projects and thousands of communities? C933103 (talk) 05:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, the team has been growing a bit every year, as they take on more projects. The team started three years ago with four people, and now it's got eight. We're hoping to be able to hire another engineer this year. I'm glad that you like the team's work and want it to keep growing! :) -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 19:57, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Propose rename to Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech

Community Tech to Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech

The issue is that when anyone new sees the link to Community Tech they do not immediately understand that it is a WMF team. Anything WMF related is unusual because WMF people typically are not around in community spaces. Just as WMF staff accounts get labelled with a (WMF) tag, so should most WMF staff organizations. This one is an extra unusual case because the community tech team is for the community, not composed of the community. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:45, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: See Meta:Proposed_page_moves#Moving_pages_for_WMF_departments_and_teams. --Yair rand (talk) 09:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Cancel 2020 Wishlist?

Seems that the approved projects of the 2019 wishlist are not fully finished yet. I fear that 2020 wishlist would distract the Tech team from the 2019 wishlist. Can the 2020 wishlist be cancelled, so the team can finish the remaining projects by autumn 2021? George Ho (talk) 02:33, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@George Ho: Apologies for the late response! You may be relieved to know that we had some of the same concerns. For this reason, we announced a new format for the 2020 wishlist. This year, we're just going to focus on the non-Wikipedia content projects, and we're only going to address the top five wishes from this survey. Check out the Community Wishlist Survey 2020 page for more info. Thanks! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 19:41, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review

HI Ilana.

Good practice on Wikipedia requires that you comment at on the posts that are marked for your attention.

Best wishes for the holidays and 2020.


Wikipedia:Database reports/Forgotten articles was forgotten

As requested on the talk page, and then on en:Wikipedia talk:Database reports#Wikipedia:Database reports/Forgotten articles was forgotten I am reporting this here. en:Wikipedia:Database reports/Forgotten articles hasn't been updated all decade, and it used to be updated roughly biweekly. Community Tech bot hasn't touched it since December, and there has been no response on their talk page. --Awkwafaba (talk) 19:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

What to do with 2021 Wishlist?

If the 2021 Wishlist can't be cancelled, then what else to do with the top 2019 and 2020 wishlists? I've not yet seen separate project pages of 2020 Wishlist created yet, and I see remaining 2019 Wishlist yet to be completed and fulfilled. George Ho (talk) 21:38, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@George Ho: Thanks for the message. We currently have no plans to cancel the 2021 wishlist. We are also still working on the wishes from the 2019 wishlist, and we'll be launching our first project from the 2020 wishlist soon. We have needed to slow down a bit due to the current crisis, but we're still getting a lot of work done. Thanks! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 19:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
How soon? It's been nearly five months since your reply. I've yet to see the first project of the 2020 wishlist launched. George Ho (talk) 09:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@George Ho: The first project from the 2020 wishlist has indeed been launched. Please refer to the Ebook Export Improvement Project page. As for the 2021 wishlist, we're currently in the process of sharing information with everyone for 2021. Information will be posted in the next few weeks. As you can imagine, the impact of the pandemic has slowed down some of our work, and we've needed some time to plan for 2021 in a way that was sustainable and appropriate for the times. Thanks for your patience and stay tuned for an update in the next few weeks. --IFried (WMF) (talk) 13:26, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Meanwhile, I was planning to update the "Community Wishlist Survey 2020/Results" by adding the project page, similar to "Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Results", but I was afraid of breaking the translation coding. George Ho (talk) 18:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@George Ho: I just added a link to the project page on Community Wishlist Survey 2020/Results. Thanks! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 19:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Any latest progress for the projects of the 2019 wishlist, by any chance, besides the watchlist expiration project? George Ho (talk) 21:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@George Ho: We have published a status report on the 2019 wishlist. Additionally, you can find updated summaries on the statuses of recent wishlists on the 2019 and 2020 results pages. We'll be launching a new 2021 wishlist survey page very soon, and we will begin accepting wishes on November 16th. Thanks! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 18:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


I cannot make it out - is it now possible to propose a wish, or not ? In special, my wish depends possibly more the Lua domain; is there another page better suited to propose it? -- sarang사랑 12:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

You can always file a feature request in Phabricator. The usual advice applies. Nemo 16:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, but there I have a problem: I need to register to Phabricator because I had not yet. My email address was taken from my preferences, but somehow it had been mutilated - instead of it was Now I shall check my emails but of course I do not receive any. And it is impossible to me to correct it, I cannot go back to retype it. I need help! -- sarang사랑 16:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
@Sarang: Hello! We will have a new 2021 wishlist survey starting soon, and we will begin accepting proposals on November 16, 2020. The survey page will be officially launched in the next few days (it is in draft mode; we're just cleaning up & finalizing a few things). In that case, we are happy to share you have another opportunity to participate in the survey, and we look forward to reading your proposals! Thanks! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 18:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

2021 wishlist survey?

The 2020 survey was already running on October 22, this year there isn’t even a schedule yet. Will there be a survey, or it’s gone with COVID? —Tacsipacsi (talk) 00:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: Hello! Yes, there will be a survey this year, but we'll be starting it a few weeks later (November 16). We're planning for the official survey page, with guidelines and calendar dates, to be posted next week. We're running a bit behind schedule, due to COVID-related slowness, but we found it important to have the survey this year. Once the 2021 survey page is published, we'll reach out to folks via various channels to publicize the survey. Thanks for checking in and reaching out. --IFried (WMF) (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
@IFried (WMF): Thanks for the reply, I totally understand that things just happen slower this year. However, I think a note about the delay on Community Wishlist Survey right now would be useful so that other people interested in the survey know that it’s not forgotten. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 19:37, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
@Tacsipacsi: That's a great suggestion; thanks for bringing it up! I'll post an update to the page today. --IFried (WMF) (talk) 19:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Section Name in Diff

Hi. What do you mean in re-prioritized? IKhitron (talk) 14:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@IKhitron: We have shared a brief explanation in the 2019 wishlist status report, but we'll be providing more details when the 2021 community wishlist survey page is launched (it's in draft mode, and it should be officially up soon). In the meantime, here's a bit of explanation: From now on, the team will now have one backlog per year. This means that, each year, volunteers will vote on our new backlog. They can propose new wishes or re-propose old ones. Once the voting is complete, we'll have one new backlog. This is a change from our old format, which allowed us to work on multiple backlogs per year. With this change, we can simplify our work, ensure the most important wishes get addressed, and reassess old wishes each year. Since we didn't have time to work on "section name in diff," we are saying that it is eligible for revote in the 2021 community wishlist survey. This way, we can know its priority in our new backlog. So, if you think it's still high-priority, you can re-propose it in the 2021 survey, vote on it, and canvas others to vote on it. That way, we can an updated sense of its priority (rather than depending on old data). Thanks so much! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 18:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
From my side, this wish already won by old terms, so it can't be re-voted, but only implemented, you can't "broke the contract" postfactum. IKhitron (talk) 14:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
@IKhitron: We understand where you're coming from, and there's a chance that we can still work on the wish. We just want to get an updated sense of its priority in the 2021 wishlist survey. For this reason, we strongly encourage you to re-propose it and canvas for it, if you feel that it should be worked on. We have also now launched the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey page, so you can learn more about the format of the survey, and why we have made some recent changes. It is our hope that these changes will help prevent issues like this occurring in the future, and that we can give folks a better sense of what's actually possible for us to accomplish in a year. Thanks! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 17:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, you are very wrong, but I can't change this, it's just an issue of your conscience. Thank you for your time. IKhitron (talk) 18:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Music Theory popular pages

Hi, I suspect that Music theory articles on WP don't fluctuate very rapidly in page views so I was wondering if it would be possible to run the popular pages function once for pages marked as part of Wikiproject Music Theory. This is because I plan to work on some music theory related topics but would rather focus on those that are being visited a lot since I recently realized that the Time Signture page gets ~800,000 views a year! Best, Aza24 (talk) 00:18, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24: Hello! You can get real-time pageviews for a WikiProject by plugging the category into the Massviews Analysis tool. Make sure to check the "Use subject page instead of talk page" option. For instance, here's all pages in WikiProject Music Theory sorted by pageviews for the past 20 days: [5]. Kind regards, MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

AWB Hidden Category

Hi guys. Is there any way to view hidden category in the AWB? CyberTroopers (talk) 05:28, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Community Wishlist Survey 2020/Results New OCR tool

Hello! Quote: Research has begun. A project page will be launched soon (November or December). There is no year specified. Which one is meant? 2019 or 2020? Does this project page already exist? Thanks for an answer. -- Tirkon (talk) 00:40, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tirkon: Hello! You can find the project page, which provides details on the project, here. Thanks! --IFried (WMF) (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Community Wishlist Survey in general

In general, it is a good idea to conduct surveys. But so far, almost only developers can participate. This is because Phabricator tickets often play a big role in defining the project proposals. Their technical jargon, however, is not understandable for example normal Wikipedia authors. There may be no other option. Nevertheless, it is a fact that one could think about. Possibly there is a way to defuse the problem a little. -- Tirkon (talk) 01:17, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

How can community volunteers advocate for Tech Team expansion?

Is the Annual Planning process amenable to community members standing up for growing the Tech Team? It really hasn't been keeping up with donations growth, and it should. I'd like to see more features, more bug fixes (although bugs have been pretty rare lately, other than in the mobile apps, of which I'm not really a fan), retiring technical debt, and taking over tools maintenance, and not just for abandoned tools -- let's get vital tools supported before the volunteers disappear, not months to years after.

Who do we ask to get the largest probability that expansion will happen? 2601:647:4D00:2C40:28A8:62C5:5E60:79D0 23:00, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Upcoming or ongoing?

@NRodriguez (WMF): You added Copy and paste from diffs and Warn when linking to disambiguation pages to the Ongoing section, but didn’t remove them from Upcoming. The translation system doesn’t allow that (we need to change the ID of either occurrence and thus make it not translated into any language), but it doesn’t make sense either: either you plan to work on something, or you’re already working on it, not both at the same time. So are these upcoming or ongoing? —Tacsipacsi (talk) 17:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusion! I have cleaned it up and it should reflect the correct order now. NRodriguez (WMF) (talk) 15:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Talk to Us: The future of the Community Wishlist Survey

We would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. We will ask you for advice about the future of the Community Wishlist Survey. The meeting will take place on 30 November (Tuesday), 17:00 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. See how to join. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:04, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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