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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Tech News writers, editors and translators wish you a pleasant 2019 year.
Recent changes
- RelatedSites extension has been undeployed. It was used to create interwiki links on Wikivoyage, now handled by Wikidata. [1]
MediaWiki logstash logging is moving to a new infrastructure. This is an ongoing deployment. [2]- codesearch.wmflabs.org has been updated, with new and updated repositories and a new search options for code. [3]
- On several wikis, an account named "Abuse filter" has been created on December 17 to perform some technical maintenance on AbuseFilter. This account has sysop rights but it's a system user and no human can use it. The account already existed on wikis where AbuseFilter can perform blocks, which are issued using this account. See T212268 for more information and future plans.
Problems
- In AbuseFilter, the "Throttle" action takes three parameters: count, period and groups. They must now strictly respect the requirements listed on mediawiki.org. A list of broken filters is on Phabricator. If you're familiar with AbuseFilter, please take a look and fix them. [4]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 8. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from January 9. It will be on all wikis from January 10 (calendar).
Meetings
- Search Platform Office Hours is rescheduled to January 9. Check the details for time and date.
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18:30, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Mon Wikipedia!
Dear StevenJ81, How is about the approval for Mon Weikipedia? Do we need to do same? Bee Htaw Monzel
- This section was archived on a request by: StevenJ81 (talk) 17:27, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can now use Google Translate in the content translation tool. [5][6]
- You can now add captions to files on Commons. Captions are short descriptions of the file. They can be translated to all languages we use. They can't use wikitext markup.
- Earlier a quoted HTML attribute had to be followed by a space. Now it doesn't. This means that some pages could look different when you save them even if you didn't edit that part of the text. [7][8]
- Templates with <templatestyles> could not show the difference between the live template and the sandbox version when they were tested. This has now been fixed. <templatestyles> has a new
wrapperparameter now. You can use it for selectors like.mw-parser-output <wrapper parameter value> <selector from CSS page>. [9]
Problems
- When you see an edit in the recent changes feed or in the history of a page some of them have tags. Some tags are added automatically. You can also add tags manually. Tags for edits that have been added manually can be edited. This didn't work for a little while. This has now been fixed. [10]
Changes later this week
- You can move files from your wiki to Wikimedia Commons and keep the file history with the new FileExporter. It will be a beta feature on all wikis from 16 January. If you want to test it you activate it and check your wiki's configuration file.
- Users who could cause more damage to the wikis if someone took over their account have to have more secure passwords. This includes administrators and other user groups. They can't use passwords that are in a list of common passwords. Accounts with common passwords are easy to take over. The list of common passwords was made longer a few weeks ago and has a different error message. Some user groups have been added to those who can't use common passwords. This is to protect all accounts with user rights that could cause damage. [11]
- The AbuseFilter variable
minor_edithas been removed. It was deprecated in 2016. Now you can't use it. You can fix the filters using it. You can find them if you use the search bar on Special:AbuseFilter. - The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 15 17:55, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
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Tech News
- Some people did not get last week's issue of Tech News. This was because of a problem with MassMessage. If you did not get last week's issue, you can read it on Meta. [12]
Recent changes
- The content translation tool can now use version 2 as the default version for users who turned on the beta feature. For example it adds the tracking category
Pages with unreviewed translationsto translations that might have used machine translations without fixing the problems. This is so others can find them. You can find this category inSpecial:TrackingCategorieson Wikipedias. - https://mediawiki2latex-large.wmflabs.org can now convert collects of up to 800 pages to PDF, EPUB or ODT. Previously this was 200 pages.
Problems
- When a template was edited with the visual editor, it would sometimes put all information on one line. This makes it difficult to read for editors who use the wikitext editor. It also makes it more difficult to see what happened in a diff. This problem affected edits made between 8 and 17 January and is now fixed. [13]
- MassMessage is used to post a message to many pages. It has not been working reliably. Some messages have not been posted to everyone. [14][15]
- Because of a database problem that had to be fixed immediately you could not edit most wikis for a couple of minutes on 17 January (UTC). This has now been fixed. [16]
Changes later this week
- You will be able to use template styles in the
Modulenamespace. [17] - The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 January. It will be on all wikis from 24 January (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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I said I develop a QQ group ,and In which is those support it. The group number is 941040839.--Bobo alcazar (talk) 06:09, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
- your chat group, and everyone inside, can not represent the Chinese wikisource community. It's not a gang fight where you gather a whole bunch of people and compare the size of your fists.----損齋 (talk) 06:21, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
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Recent changes
- The Wikimedia servers use HHVM to run the PHP code. They are going to use PHP7 and stop using HHVM. You can test PHP7 with a new beta feature. That way you can help find and report problems.
Problems
- When someone moves a page to a name that already exists that page that had the name the article is moved to is deleted. For a couple of months this didn't always work. Some users saw an error message instead. This has now been fixed. [18]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 30 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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Talk to us about talking
The Wikimedia Foundation is planning a global consultation about communication. The goal is to bring Wikimedians and wiki-minded people together to improve tools for communication.
We want all contributors to be able to talk to each other on the wikis, whatever their experience, their skills or their devices.
We are looking for input from as many different parts of the Wikimedia community as possible. It will come from multiple projects, in multiple languages, and with multiple perspectives.
We are currently planning the consultation. We need your help.
We need volunteers to help talk to their communities or user groups.
You can help by hosting a discussion at your wiki. Here's what to do:
- First, sign up your group here.
- Next, create a page (or a section on a Village pump, or an e-mail thread – whatever is natural for your group) to collect information from other people in your group. This is not a vote or decision-making discussion: we are just collecting feedback.
- Then ask people what they think about communication processes. We want to hear stories and other information about how people communicate with each other on and off wiki. Please consider asking these five questions:
- When you want to discuss a topic with your community, what tools work for you, and what problems block you?
- What about talk pages works for newcomers, and what blocks them?
- What do others struggle with in your community about talk pages?
- What do you wish you could do on talk pages, but can't due to the technical limitations?
- What are the important aspects of a "wiki discussion"?
- Finally, please go to Talk pages consultation 2019 on Mediawiki.org and report what you learned from your group. Please include links if the discussion is available to the public.
You can also help build the list of the many different ways people talk to each other.
Not all groups active on wikis or around wikis use the same way to discuss things: it can happen on wiki, on social networks, through external tools... Tell us how your group communicates.
You can read more about the overall process on mediawiki.org. If you have questions or ideas, you can leave feedback about the consultation process in the language you prefer.
Thank you! We're looking forward to talking with you.
Wikisource Literary Chinese
Maybe, you can see the paper by Y.R.Chao, Languages and Dialects in China.--Bobo alcazar (talk) 09:42, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Bobo alcazar: You made your point with respect to whether lzh is distinctive enough as a language. I don't actually disagree on that. But policy actually allows either solution here (separate project or included in Chinese Wikisource), and all other indicators (and all other contributors) prefer the other approach. So that is probably how it will go. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:15, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Mr. Steve, I feel that the issue has deviated. The previous discussion on the necessity has long been over, and now it is discussing the feasibility, but there are still people who have opinions taht LZH Wikisource should not set up.--Bobo alcazar (talk) 06:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
User SUL Box
Hey Steven,
I see you have reworked the User SUL Box template back in 2015. It seems this change broke the template for less common interface languages. If I visit m:User:Wim b for example, it indicates Wim b's home wiki were the Lithuanian language Wiktionary and additionally presents me with some redlink (my interface language is Lithuanian). Could you please look into this issue?
Thanks a lot, --Vogone (talk) 15:30, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Vogone: I will do that. Give me a day or two to manage that. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:35, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Vogone: I think it's fixed. Want to give it a spin? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:31, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! However, with this solution the template docs no longer match the behaviour of the template, as it indicates the default were one's interface language (which makes me wonder what the original intention was, does not look particularly useful to me). I suppose that either the docs should be updated to reflect that new behaviour (en = default), or a solution should be found where the template does not break when a user visits using an interface language which either has no language edition of that project, or no language template created here on meta. --Vogone (talk) 23:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- Reasonable point. Will work on it further tomorrow. (I think maybe we will have to require a language code on Meta; a default to one's own interface language will always provide odd results on multilingual wikis.) StevenJ81 (talk) 02:30, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Vogone: I've thought about this further, and I'm pretty sure we need to change the behavior here. After all, if it depends on the "current interface language"—and until two days ago, it did—then if I change my own interface language (say, to French), then my default project also changes, from enwiki to frwiki. Or, alternatively, when I look at my page, I see enwiki, but if you look at my page, you see ltwiki. (Bad example: I had
|1=en. But you see my point.) And those possibilities make no sense.- In theory, we could make the straight default (no parameters) to be Meta, which is what is done on many other projects. But I think that's been rejected here in the past, as Meta is rarely the place most people really call their home project.
- Really, then, the question is: Should we require a langcode here, and not have a default at all? Or should we just go ahead and use en (as the principal language of this wiki), simply making sure we document that fact.
- Once we finish discussing this, I'm thinking that I will announce it in two different ways: On Babel, and by building in a notice and link on the template itself, so people may see it on their own user pages.
- Concerning your questions about "breaking", I think with this update in behavior, the template should generally never break unless there is no language template on Meta:
- Any [[:langcode:projcode]] combination should go to a project, or to Incubator, or Old Wikisource, or Beta Wikiversity. I think. (If it's really an invalid combination, there will probably be a web error, but I'm not so worried about that.)
- I'm happy to invite anyone who can't create a language icon to ask me to do so. Or we could redo these so that they run #ifexist on the language icon template, and in the case of no template return the language code itself.
- I look forward to your input. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Vogone: We should probably wrap this up, no?
- I had one other thought. In the case that a multilingual project (Meta, Incubator, Commons, etc.) is someone's home wiki, we can default to interface language. Is that worth trying? StevenJ81 (talk) 22:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Vogone: I've thought about this further, and I'm pretty sure we need to change the behavior here. After all, if it depends on the "current interface language"—and until two days ago, it did—then if I change my own interface language (say, to French), then my default project also changes, from enwiki to frwiki. Or, alternatively, when I look at my page, I see enwiki, but if you look at my page, you see ltwiki. (Bad example: I had
- @Vogone: I think it's fixed. Want to give it a spin? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:31, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 March. It will be on all wikis from 7 March (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 6 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- You can give feedback on the future of talk pages.
- The mobile website will use the standard fonts on your computer or phone instead of a generic font. This will make it easier to read text in many scripts. [19][20]
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French gender-neutral language
Hi,
I found several traces of gender-neutral edits in french translations on Meta: example 1 and 2. The problem of this écriture inclusive is that it isn't french (see "Déclaration de l'Académie française sur l'écriture dite inclusive".) and it makes long texts unclear and hard to read (plus fr.wp decided to forbid it). Could the Langcom make a statement about it ? Should I start a RfC ? (I'm talking of this to you because of your fr-3)
Thank you --CreativeC (talk) 17:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- @CreativeC: Why don't you just use the {{GENDER}} magic word? --2409:8902:9300:5626:94EA:1CA4:AD4B:6023 03:53, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Because we don't only speak of the user. If I talk about participants (male only or male & female) I say les participants , and les participantes if I talk about female participants only - Adjectives are gendered. Feminists want's to write les participant·e·s (the ·e· "includes" females) despite the fact that masculine is neutral in French, but they struggle to understand it. The core problem is that this écriture inclusive isn't compatible with french - this is a core rule of french: because of huge francophone litterature/culture/cinema; language modifications must be backward compatible. -- CreativeC (talk) 12:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @CreativeC: IP6 user doesn't really understand the problem. Don't worry ...
- This is probably not an actual LangCom problem, oddly enough. LangCom does not decide language standards within projects—even within multilingual projects like this. (Consider: How would French Wikipédia feel about LangCom telling it what standards to use for French?) Instead, this is probably a Meta community issue, meaning it should be discussed at Meta:Babel. (It would separately need to be discussed on the corresponding pages of other multilingual projects.)
- That having been said, it's a good question how easy it would be to enforce, anyway. And at that, even if the community can enforce it on French translation pages, nobody is going to try to enforce it on talk pages, where people can (mostly) do as they please. If you want to go to Babel and start a discussion, I'm willing to put a voice of support up. But at the end of the day, the community is going to decide. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be a Requests for comment ? About fr.wp we could imagine that it is a movement-wide guideline by default (if adopted) that french wikis could reject individually --CreativeC (talk) 18:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @CreativeC: Hmmm. Maybe. You can try that approach. But I suspect a lot of people would say that rather than creating a movement-wide guideline (which usually is not done around such issues), it is better for individual wiki communities to decide. (To be perfectly honest, I also suspect many people on projects like Meta would prefer political correctness to linguistic correctness, provided that clarity is not meaningfully compromised. Although Standard English is more gender-neutral than Standard French, in theory masculine pronouns serve in neutral roles, too. But people go out of their way to write around that sort of construction quite a lot these days. There is far more reason to be strict on a French-language wiki than on a site like this, in my view.)
- Alternatively, start with a local RfC at Meta:Requests for comment and see what happens. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be a Requests for comment ? About fr.wp we could imagine that it is a movement-wide guideline by default (if adopted) that french wikis could reject individually --CreativeC (talk) 18:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Because we don't only speak of the user. If I talk about participants (male only or male & female) I say les participants , and les participantes if I talk about female participants only - Adjectives are gendered. Feminists want's to write les participant·e·s (the ·e· "includes" females) despite the fact that masculine is neutral in French, but they struggle to understand it. The core problem is that this écriture inclusive isn't compatible with french - this is a core rule of french: because of huge francophone litterature/culture/cinema; language modifications must be backward compatible. -- CreativeC (talk) 12:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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I’ll try the global RfC directly because most multi-lingual wikis don’t have enough french speakers to reach concensus and we need to harmonize language practices across wikis (but of course let wikis override it individually) --CreativeC (talk) 21:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Pages can use geocoordinates from Wikidata with the
mw.wikibase.entity:formatStatementsLua function or the#statementsparser function. If they do, they will now be shown using a Kartographer<maplink>if the wiki can use Kartographer. You can report bugs or ask questions on Phabricator. - There is now an EventStream to see when links are added or removed on Wikimedia wikis. You can read the discussions and plans.
Problems
- Some wikis will not be able to edit for a short period of time on 19 March (UTC). This will start at 15:00 UTC. It will last up to 15 minutes but probably shorter. You can see the list of affected wikis. This is because of network maintenance. You can still read the wikis.
- Editors who use Firefox to edit with the visual editor had a problem with copying text. When they tried to select text that included footnotes, templates or block images in the middle they would often only get part of the text. This has now been fixed. [21]
- Some maps didn't work for a while on 8 March. This has been fixed. [22][23]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 March. It will be on all wikis from 14 March (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- When you use rollback you will be able to get a confirmation prompt on most wikis. It asks you if you wanted to do the rollback. This is to avoid misclicks. You will have to opt in to get it. On German Wikipedia it will be an opt-out feature from 28 March. [24][25]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 March. It will be on all wikis from 21 March (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Admins will be able to block someone from editing a page or a namespace. This already works on a few Wikimedia wikis. You can read more. If your wiki wants to be an early tester of this, you can tell the developers. [26]
- Toolforge will shut down the Ubuntu Trusty job grid. This will happen the week of 25 March. Tools that use this grid needs to be moved to the new Debian Stretch job grid. If they haven't, they will be taken offline. Maintainers can restart the tools later. Users may not be able to use them in the meanwhile. You can see a list of affected tools.
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Is notice of this page still valid?
In Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Montenegrin 5, its notice says "A new discussion (open to autoconfirmed users only) is now open.", but by checking their logs, the protection was expired nearly one year ago, so should the notice be modified, or the page be re-protected? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: I'm sure you're right. I've been very busy this season IRL, and things like this have slipped. Passover is this weekend, then I'll try to start addressing some of this.
- Separately, I don't mind that you did some archiving at Talk:Language committee, but you know that the page automatically archives, right? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:25, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Talk:Language proposal policy/4-2019 proposed revision
Is this already open? Can I comment there?--AldnonymousBicara? 20:59, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Aldnonymous: It should be. Let me know if there is a problem. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:00, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Language Proposal: Ready for translation?
Could you please push the April 2019 proposal to translation? I’d like to support in putting into ja. The page is locked and I suppose it’s too early, however expecting people visiting as announced on the News page. Cheers, —Omotecho (talk) 04:35, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Sure. I'll do that later today. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:03, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The advanced search function URL now shows which namespaces you search in. The namespace field is collapsed by default on the search page. You can also add new fields to the search interface through a hook. [27][28][29]
- The wikis now look slightly different in the mobile web version. [30]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Wikipedia articles will have the
sameAsmeta property. It adds structured data. This makes it easier for search engines to find Wikipedia articles. It also makes it easier to reuse content. There will an A/B test. [31][32]
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The Wikipedia app for Android now invites users to add Wikidata descriptions to Wikidata objects that have Wikipedia articles but no Wikidata descriptions. It will only invite users who have added a number of Wikidata descriptions in the app without being reverted. This is to avoid spam and bad edits. [33][34]
Problems
- Tech News was late last week because of a MassMessage bug. Other newsletters had the same problem. [35]
Changes later this week
- You will see when you last refreshed the recent changes page. This is so you can see how recent the changes are. [36]
- When you write a comment in Structured Discussions but have not posted it yet your web browser will save it in
local storageinstead ofsession storage. This means you do not lose them even if you close your web browser. Structured Discussions used to be called Flow. [37] - You will be able to turn off milestone notifications. Milestone notifications congratulate you when you have made certain numbers of edits. [38]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 May. It will be on all wikis from 2 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 1 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Wikidata
wb_termstable will be dropped. This will affect some Wikidata tools. They need to be updated. The table has become too big which is causing problems. This will happen on 29 May. You can read more. You can ask for help if you need it. - Wikimedia wikis will soon use a token when you log out. This changes how the API works. Some tools might need to be updated. [39]
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Since its closed I will leave my comment here, as I said here Talk:Language_proposal_policy/4-2019_proposed_revision#Oppose I don't want to use standardized code, its much better if the language speaker or those who know something about the language reviewing it themselves. Yes I know its still within the guidelines, but this come from the change we are about to have to LPP.--AldnonymousBicara? 14:56, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Aldnonymous: I appreciate that. But as I said over there, that piece of the policy is not going to change now. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oh well, I guess I have to give up on that and follow the living policy :( Sorry if I bothering you.--AldnonymousBicara? 14:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- You're not bothering me; you're always allowed to ask. At some point (but not right this second), I'll take you through the reasons for this, and why LangCom is reluctant to move away from this as the core of the eligibility policy. There are ways to try to get a project approved when a code doesn't exist, but it's hard to meet that standard. We can discuss a different time. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oh well, I guess I have to give up on that and follow the living policy :( Sorry if I bothering you.--AldnonymousBicara? 14:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Wikitonary Minangkabau
Hi Steven. Does the Committee have any updates for our project's status? Thanks. Muhraz (talk) 03:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Heads up, this user is using socks see w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Arepticous/Archive, please review all his edit in relation to LangCom and proposal.--AldnonymousBicara? 15:20, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
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Problems
- Special:Watchlist can show the wrong information. It does not always show which edits are read and which are unread. The developers are working on solving the problem. [40]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 May. It will be on all wikis from 9 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 8 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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New messages on 2019-05-18
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
I had a question about your comment; I pinged you, but I realized people don't tend to visit Meta as often, so I figured it might be useful to also include a talk page note. E to the Pi times i (talk) 16:20, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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Changes later this week
- Big changes to the replica database will happen on 3 June. Some tools on Cloud Services will stop working if the maintainers do not update them to use the new schema. This probably affects tools that query for revisions or log entries made by a user. [41][42]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 May. It will be on all wikis from 30 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 29 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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Recent changes
- You can now write all special letters in all African Wikipedia languages. This works in the desktop version. [43]
- There is now a field called
depictson Commons. This is a way to show what is in a picture with the help of Wikidata. It is still in development. [44] - Some tools on Toolforge may break on or after 3 June because of database changes. Maintainers should update their tools to use the new schema. [45][46]
Problems
- You will be able to read but not to edit Wikimedia Commons for 30 minutes on 19 June at 05:00 (UTC). This is to fix a hardware problem. [47]
Changes later this week
- Some wikis have one tab for the visual editor and one tab for a wikitext editor. Others wikis just have one tab. If your wiki has two tabs, clicking a link to create a new page has always opened a wikitext editor. It will now open the editor you used the last time you edited. [48]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 May. It will be on all wikis from 6 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 5 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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LPP/fr needs update
As changes applied for 12 days. --125.36.185.11 03:06, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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Problems
- The new version of MediaWiki for last week was not fully released due to issues. It was removed from most wikis on Tuesday and from test wikis on Thursday. [49]
- Most wikis were slow and then briefly read-only last week due to one of the database servers having a problem. It is now replaced. [50]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 June. It will be on all wikis from 27 June (calendar).
Meetings
- You can watch or join the next Wikimedia Language showcase. It will be about the usage of Machine Translation in Wikimedia projects. The showcase will be on 26 June at 13:00 (UTC). A recording will be kept for later viewing
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 26 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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- The development of Wikidata Bridge has started. The goal is to allow Wikidata edits from Wikipedia. [51]
Problems
- Sometimes pages load slowly for users routed to the Amsterdam data center. Investigation is in progress. [52]
- Wikidata query service was overloaded between 11:50 UTC until 13:15 UTC on June 24. It has been fixed. [53]
Changes later this week
- You will be able to read but not to edit all wikis for a short amount of time, on 3 July at 06:00 (UTC). This is to move a database. [54]
- There is no deployment of a new version of MediaWiki on the wikis this week (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 3 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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Could you see the discussion first?
Please see what I wrote there first. Thanks.--SharabSalam (talk) 13:15, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- @SharabSalam: I did. I made the changes anyway. Let me please make the following points to you:
- Decisions about project eligibility are made by the Language Committee. You are not a member of the committee. If you want to request a change, you can do that at Talk:Language committee. But you should not revert a decision on a Requests for new language page made by a committee member.
- On most grounds, this project meets the eligibility criteria for new projects. See LPP. The one criterion it might not meet is #3—that it be sufficiently different from other languages to require its own project. That having been said, the Language Committee is usually somewhat lenient about that requirement, at least concerning non-European languages. The reason is simple: we are not extremely knowledgeable about some of the differences, and would rather err on the side of inclusion. As long as the ISO 639-3 authority has seen fit to issue a language code, our default position is that it is a separate language and is eligible for a separate project. Such projects sometimes have a value in being willing to focus on local issues better than the broader projects do.
- This request was open for six years before I closed it. Why do you come here now after all that time, and to object? I'm really trying to get old requests taken care of.
- The test project on Incubator has just enough content for me not to have closed the request as stale. Still, there aren't many pages in the Incubator test. Consider that the test project has only ten pages, and has been open for six years. The project may be eligible, but it won't actually be created until someone builds it into a real Wikipedia. And there is no evidence of that happening. (And given how little anyone has worked on the project, it doesn't really even seem like there's been a lot of time "wasted" on it, either.)
- I don't understand why you feel this strongly about this matter. But I'll wait to revert you until I hear from you here. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:48, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
StevenJ81 I am new here. I don't have much knowledge about this but I will ask for a membership. Anyway, you don't need to have extreme knowledge about the differences. If you are like in a 1st grade in Arabic school you would know that there are no differences between Arabic and Sana'ani Arabic. The different words that are not originally Arabic can be counted by hands fingers. The real difference between these two dialects is the phonetic sounds of the letters. Such as Jim, Sin etc. Saying that it is eligible is like saying that Texas English is not English. Anyway, I will ask for membership and I will object your decision. I have to sleep right now. I wouldnt probably reply for 6-8 hours.--SharabSalam (talk) 15:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)- @SharabSalam and MF-Warburg: Very well. I will not revert for now. Next time please make a request first. Anyone is entitled to have one of these requests discussed by the full Language Committee, so I will put this question before the committee. It will not happen until early next week, because of the US public holiday this week. Thank you for your understanding. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:57, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, Arab contributors were invited by a user called علاء or alaa. Isn't that canvassing? I will help creating the project. My laptop screen is broken. I am using a small smart phone. Tomorrow I will repair my laptop. I need some instructions to start the test project. There are many Yemeni editors that can't edit in Wikipedia because their language is not acceptable in Modern standard Arabic Wikipedia. I am free these days. I will create that project. Don't believe those who say that Egyptian project has failed. Take a look by yourself. Many Egyptians are editing there. I want you to help me creating the Sana'ani project. Thanks.--SharabSalam (talk) 20:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- @SharabSalam and MF-Warburg: Very well. I will not revert for now. Next time please make a request first. Anyone is entitled to have one of these requests discussed by the full Language Committee, so I will put this question before the committee. It will not happen until early next week, because of the US public holiday this week. Thank you for your understanding. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:57, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- In the mean time could you make the project in the discussion phase not the eligible phase so that I can make more arguments and have much time to learn how to translate and create the test project. Thanks.--SharabSalam (talk) 20:42, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Your close
The issue isn’t with a forking of ar.wiki. It has to deal with the very real animosity that would be generated towards the WMF and other Wikimedians by approval of a project like this. We can’t afford to cause that in one of the most successful non-European projects, and the irony here is that in trying to expand to other underserved populations, we may actually be decreasing the service we’d provide. I appreciate your commitment to take any opposition to the board if it gets to that stage, because even though it’s long term, the approval of something that would be so controversial really requires them to be fully aware of the issues. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:04, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- @TonyBallioni: Opinion is important. But you also have to keep in mind that at least officially, decisions on these things are taken by LangCom and not by community preference. LangCom uses SIL codes by default precisely because these things aren't black and white, and different people feel differently about them. So using a published, reliable source as a default gives LangCom something fairly objective to stand on.
- Why are you convinced that there would be so much animosity generated by this project, anyway? I ask this especially in light of the fact that (a) I don't really think it's all that likely that a full-fledged Sanaani project will ever see the light of day, and (b) it's really likely to be a narrowly focused project if it does?
- Additionally, I'm personally not convinced that the community at ar.wiki approaches these things from a neutral point of view. While I'm not sure that SharabSalam's problems on arwiki aren't partly (mostly?) of his/her own making, I'm suspicious that dissenting points of view at arwiki are suppressed. That's a problem, too. And if that's true, how much do we worry about the animosity you are concerned about? (That's a real question. I don't know.)
- Related: I just Google-translated ar:ويكيبيديا:الميدان/منوعات because I got mentioned there. Some people are proposing suppressing this test project by simply taking it over. That, too, makes me suspicious of the neutrality here.
- No, I don't think we want to be "Ugly Westerners". But we also have principles around here, and we're entitled to live by them, too. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:29, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying. Even though I’m being critical here, I really do appreciate your responses and openness to talk about the proposal. I’ve always had very positive interactions with ar.wiki cross-wiki and have never experienced NPOV issues when users there come over to en.wiki and are involved in disputes. To answer your question: I would read the google translate you cited very differently than you. I would read it as you inadvertently sparking such a controversy on a pre-existing project that compared to most is run pretty effectively caused them to respond equivalently to how en.wiki has responded to the Fram mess. That’s just you marking it as eligible even though it’s unlikely to ever become a full project. Imagine the outrage there would be if it were ever approved.
I know you don’t mean it this way, but your last sentence here is pretty tone deaf and is unlikely to help this situation. The concern among Arabic speaking users is that the LangCom is coming in and making a project that would impact them without even consulting them. Replying that you don’t want to be an ugly westerner but that LangCom can overrule a community that you think has issues without bothering to talk with active Arab Wikimedians first is just going to increase distrust. I’m not Arab and don’t speak Arabic, but I’ve found that simply talking to this community when there are interproject concerns almost always leads to reasonable dialogue and outcomes. Talking to people in that community about legitimate concerns, not lecturing them as others did at the proposal page would really decrease the temperature. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:55, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- OK. I'll try to do that. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:02, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks :) Like I said, I really appreciate you responding. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:07, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- I doubt I'll do more today, though. I do have a day job. :) StevenJ81 (talk) 18:24, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks :) Like I said, I really appreciate you responding. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:07, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- OK. I'll try to do that. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:02, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying. Even though I’m being critical here, I really do appreciate your responses and openness to talk about the proposal. I’ve always had very positive interactions with ar.wiki cross-wiki and have never experienced NPOV issues when users there come over to en.wiki and are involved in disputes. To answer your question: I would read the google translate you cited very differently than you. I would read it as you inadvertently sparking such a controversy on a pre-existing project that compared to most is run pretty effectively caused them to respond equivalently to how en.wiki has responded to the Fram mess. That’s just you marking it as eligible even though it’s unlikely to ever become a full project. Imagine the outrage there would be if it were ever approved.
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A request to see deleted edits of files
I need to see "Deleted version and deleted content" of seven files,see below,
- Talk:Remarks on collecting address when organizing event
- User talk:NumCinq
- User talk:Advo7
- User:Badvogato
- wikidata:User:Advogato2
- wikidata:User talk:Lzhwp
- it:Discussioni utente:CometQ
Thanks!--MCC214#ex umbra in solem 06:58, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
- MCC214 I'm really not comfortable with this, and in any case I could only help you on the first four, as I don't have rights on Wikidata or itwiki. Better you should ask the stewards. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:35, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
- They requested before on SRM and RFH, told to find local sysops on a case-by-case basis by stewards and meta sysops. Just to let you know the background. --Cohaf (talk) 13:39, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Very well. The content of the first four pages is included in the collapsed section below. (I cannot help you with the other three.) The only change I made was to deactivate all internal and external links. I would appreciate your letting me know when this issue is finished so that I can archive the content promptly. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:26, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
| Requested content |
|---|
@MCC214:See above, hope it enough for you. Thanks Steven for digging.--Cohaf (talk) 14:30, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
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Saludos
Saludos Steven;
Le guste a usted o no le guste, yo conozco las lenguas nahuas que se hablan en mi país; soy de las pocas personas que sabe sobre este el náhuatl aquí en Wikipedia porque lo he estudiado por más de 15 años, al final le he demostrado a usted que la ciencia está por encima de envidias, enojos, complots y linchamientos. Y eso se lo debo a que conozco a la élite náhuatl (académicos con alguna lengua materna náhuatl) de mi país porque me han dado el honor de participar e invitarme a sus congresos tanto nacionales como internacionales.
No demérito el trabajo de otras personas que también conocen el idioma, pero se han encajonado más en hacer una guerra que en unir criterios, desprecian mi trabajo porque saben que soy conocedor del tema y por eso tú te aferras a que yo quede fuera de todo proyecto porque no quieres aceptar que conozco el tema sobre las lenguas nahuas. Tu odio hacia mí es personal porque ya no es posible demostrar que yo soy mala persona y que yo soy dañino, mi trabajo habla por si solo y la gente no es tonta para darse cuenta que no soy lo que hacen creer a todo mundo, has llegado a llamarme devil (diablo), pero no tengo ningún rencor en tu contra, yo no quiero guardar odio en mi corazón y envenenarme. No soy una mala persona como tú piensas, yo amo más a las lenguas náhuatl que lo que tú puedas sentir por ellas sobre su difusión, revitalización y conocimiento.
Soy tan leal y tan cabal, que te comento las cosas de frente, no es mi costumbre actuar a las espaldas de nadie porque mis valores no me permiten, agradezco mucho que me señalas de manera directa, pero no tienes el derecho cerrarme el paso y negarme la libertad de expresión solo porque no te simpatizo, sabiendo que soy conocedor de este tema. Gracias.--Marrovi (talk) 07:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- No need to write it twice. I responded there. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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Kotava
Hi Steven,
I just took a look at the Kotava project at the Incubator and I believe they should be fine to be approved as they have a strong community editing every day. They already have more than 3000 articles and they've been there for while. Is there anything you could do? Toda. --Chabi (talk) 14:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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Answer
--ჯეო (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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Opinion request about a disagreement in the Bulgarian Wikinews
I see that you are aware of the disagreement. There is also a verbose discussion at the voting page in the Bulgarian Wikinews.
In the Bulgarian Wikinews, we cannot achieve agreement on some topics about [n:bg:Уикиновини:Гласуване#Премахване на новините от speshno.info|a voting]]. A request for comment on Meta didn't helped.
George Ho suggested trying to achieve a resolution through either SRM or Stewards noticeboard. As an experienced editor, administrator and bureaucrat, who has helped about Bulgarian Wikinews before, your suggestion will also be highly valued - as well as your opinion about the disagreements, if you decide to give it.
Thank you in advance, and please accept my apologies for using your time with this request. -- Григор Гачев (talk) 21:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Григор Гачев: Response at Requests for comment/Voting in bg.wikinews by non-contributors#My opinion, as requested. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:38, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
- This section was archived on a request by: StevenJ81 (talk) 22:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 August. It will be on all wikis from 8 August (calendar).
Problems
- A change in RelatedArticles extension accidentally enabled it for everyone, not just for mobile users. This has been fixed. [55][56]
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 7 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Today everyone can see IP addresses if someone edits without an account. In the future this could be more hidden. This is to protect unregistered editors so fewer can see their IP address. This would only happen after we make sure the tools for vandal fighting can still be effective. You can read more and comment.
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Recent changes
- Editors using the mobile website on Wikipedia can opt-in to new advanced features via your settings page. This will give access to more interface links, special pages, and tools. Feedback on the discussion page is appreciated. [57]
- Due to the absence of volunteer maintenance of Cologne Blue skin, the link to activate it will be hidden. The skin will still work, but editors using it are encouraged to switch to another skin. [58]
Changes later this week
- Due to Wikimania, there is no deployment this week. [59]
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The "Wikidata item" link will be moved from "Tools" to "In other projects" section on all Wikimedia projects, starting on August 21. Full announcement, Phabricator task.
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Documentation for setting up a newly created wikimedia wiki
Hi StevenJ81, I was asking Billinghurst about the abstract topic of "Documentation for setting up a newly created wikimedia wiki", and someone on IRC suggested that you are the main person to ask! (Particularly for assisting with Incubator graduation.)
Essentially, I'm wondering... Are there any specific documentation pages (or similar helpful links) that you refer to when setting up a new wiki? I'm trying to get a better understanding of the overall process. -- I looked around a bit, and found the Technology-end is covered by wikitech:Add a wiki, but I couldn't find anything at wikitech, meta, or incubator, regarding what the steps after that are.
I'm asking partially because I'm interested in how new wikimedia wikis get setup (usually after graduating from Incubator), and partially in the context of wmania:2019:Technology outreach & innovation/Building Technical Capacity in Smaller Wikis and similar endeavours - i.e. maybe specific stewards or the SWMT helps with that kind of thing? Or possibly it's all just left up to the new community to figure it out for themselves, based on the notion that they'll have to bootstrap in a dozen other areas anyway? (Tangentially, I'm also interested in issues related to 3rd party wikis setup.)
If there are not any existing documentation pages and it's all in your head (and the heads of other people (??) who've done similar), maybe it'd be worth starting a page of notes?
I'd be very happy to learn anything you can share, or link-pointers, etc. Cheers! Quiddity (talk) 10:08, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- I think incubator:Help:FAQ#New_wiki_created answers some of your questions. The whole importing process is handled by NWIs. --MF-W 10:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- And the real experts on the ground are User:MF-Warburg, and if he's around, User:SPQRobin. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Tech News
- There will be no Tech News issue next week. The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 2 September 2019.
Problems
- Some abuse filters stopped working because of a code change. Only variables for the current action will work. Variables defined inside a branch may not work outside of that branch. You can read more to see how to fix the filters.
- Only six accounts can be created from one IP address per day. Between 12 August and August 15 this was two accounts per day. This was because of a security issue. It is now six accounts per day again. [60]
Changes later this week
- Only a limited number of accounts can be created from one IP address. An IP address can be whitelisted so that it can create as many accounts as needed. This is useful at events where many new persons learn to edit. IP addresses that are whitelisted for this reason will also not show CAPTCHAs when you create accounts. This will happen on Wednesday. [61]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 August. It will be on all wikis from 22 August (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 21 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- There is an RFC about creating a new global user group with the right to edit abuse filters. This will be used to fix broken filters and make sure all filters will still work when software changes happen. You can read more and comment.
Special:Contributions/newbieswill no longer be working. This is because of performance reasons. It showed edits by new accounts. You can see this in the recent changes feed instead. [62]
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Recent changes
- You can use the new termbox interface if you edit Wikidata on a mobile device. This is to edit labels, descriptions and aliases easier on the mobile pages. [63]
- The new version of MediaWiki has been deployed during the last week.
- The previously announced change of positions of the "Wikidata item" link on all wikis has been rollbacked due to unexpected cache issues. [64]
- The limit for rollbacks has been increased from 10 to 100 rollbacks per minute. [65]
- The advanced version of the edit review pages (Recent Changes, Watchlist, and Related Changes) now include two new filters. These filters are for "All contents" and "All discussions". They will filter the view to just those namespaces. However the "All discussions" filter does not include pseudo talk pages, like discussions that are in the Project: or Wikipedia: namespaces. But it will include changes happening on Project talk: or the Wikipedia talk:. [66]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 September. It will be on all wikis from 5 September (calendar).
- When you log in, the software checks your password to see if it follows the Password policy. From this week, it will also complain if your password is one of the most common passwords in the world. If your password is not strong enough, please consider to change your password for a stronger password. [67]
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- You will be able to read but not to edit Wikidata for up to 30 minutes on September 10 at 05:00 (UTC). [68]
- You will be able to read but not to edit some mid-sized wikis for up to 30 minutes September 17 at 05:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. [69]
- You will be able to read but not to edit some mid-sized wikis for up to 30 minutes September 24 at 05:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. [70]
- You will be able to read but not to edit Wikimedia Commons for up to 30 minutes on September 26 at 05:00 (UTC). [71]
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Delete pages
Shalom Steven. Ma nishmah? Could you please help me deleting the following pages? They are my user pages in several Wikipedias.
- Asturian
- Metawiki
Asturian (Chabi1)No page here; it's already showing a global user page (transcluded from Meta)Esperanto (Chabi)already deletedEsperanto (Chabi1)No page here; it's already showing a global user page (transcluded from Meta)- Extremaduran (already shows "retired")
- Mirandese
Pri la Milito di Gaul(duplicate of second one down)- io:Uzanto:Chabi1/Linguistiko
- io:Uzanto:Chabi1/Pri la Milito di Gaul
- io:Uzanto:Katxis/Mezepoka Italia
- io:Uzanto:Katxis/Historio di Portugal
- io:Uzanto:Katxis/Historio di Rusia
- io:Uzanto:Katxis/Historio di Francia
Thank you for your help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chabi (talk) 8 September 2019, 21:02 (UTC)
- B'seder! How are things with you?
- I don't have the rights to do all of these things the way you've asked. But I'll give you a hand with getting them done. Let me ask you a couple of questions first:
- Starting with your last
sevensix pages, I take those to be drafts that you are either abandoning or that have already been incorporated into mainspace, right? Those should be easy to get the stewards to delete. - Concerning userpages: Are you completely retiring? I'd miss you. But here's what I recommend:
- If you are completely retiring, I'd change the Meta Chabi1 page to just the template {{Retired}}. I'd change the Meta Chabi page to a redirect to the Chabi1 page. Then you can delete all the rest, and because of global user pages they'll all show "Retired"
- If you are only leaving certain wikis, then I'd leave the Meta Chabi1 page alone and redirect the Meta Chabi page to it. Then on any wiki you're retiring from, put the "Retired" template on your Chabi1 page and redirect the Chabi page to it. (There may be a way to do that from your Meta page, if you need to do it that way.)
- If it's anything else, please describe, and I'll try to help you. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- Starting with your last
The reason why I asked you to delete the subpages at the Ido Wikipedia is because the only user there hasn't deleted them when I asked him (I don´t know whether he can do so). He is the only one contributing there so there is no other choice. Regarding my accounts Chabi and Chabi1 I would like to redirect Chabi1 to Chabi, as that one is the original account. I will be adding the retired template to the other ones. Todah. --Chabi (talk) 10:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Also, could you please give Administrator rights on the Ladino Wikipedia so that I can start crearing it up? --Chabi (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Userboxes
Hey Steven! Could I ask that you create a page in your userspace that I could use as a template for the "This user built his user page with the help of HaShem." userbox, like you have on simplewiki? I hope to use it on my userpage on meta as well. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 17:38, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Vermont, would {{Userpage-HaShem}} possibly help? (I hope I haven't been disrespectful here)
— Luchesar • T/C 21:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)- I was considering doing that, however I didn't know if StevenJ81 would rather it lie in their userspace. I've added a short attribution note on the template's talk page. I'll add the template to my userpage in a minute :) Thanks, Vermont (talk) 21:34, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Good idea, indeed, Vermont! Was too ashamed to admit myself stealing the code in the edit summary. :) I've added the attribution also as an HTML comment in the code of the template itself. By the way, might be a good idea to semi-protect it, just in case.
— Luchesar • T/C 21:42, 21 September 2019 (UTC)- Thanks. I'm not going to protect it just yet, although it is a religion-related template that is transcluded on a decently-viewed page by vandals (my userpage), so if it is vandalized I'll protect it. Best, Vermont (talk) 23:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Is a box like that in scope for template space here? StevenJ81 (talk) 04:44, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm not going to protect it just yet, although it is a religion-related template that is transcluded on a decently-viewed page by vandals (my userpage), so if it is vandalized I'll protect it. Best, Vermont (talk) 23:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Good idea, indeed, Vermont! Was too ashamed to admit myself stealing the code in the edit summary. :) I've added the attribution also as an HTML comment in the code of the template itself. By the way, might be a good idea to semi-protect it, just in case.
- Steven, I'm sorry for being perhaps too bold here and I certainly hope I'm not missing some important point and being untactful. But at least the way I see it, it fits perfectly there, reducing the reuse of code, promoting uniform style, and keeping the templates better organized. There are already userboxes on many topics—sex, nationality, even personality :)—so I don't see why faith should be an exception (unless, of course, the intent is to offend other users). In bgwiki it's so common that we even have a convenient “master” template for it. In any case, it's my username in the edit history as creator, and seeing how I'm also mostly impartial here, I'm taking the full responsibility for this decision (as if I could avoid it, anyway).
— Luchesar • T/C 10:02, 22 September 2019 (UTC) - Yep, there's tons of userboxes, no reason why this one wouldn't be in scope. Vermont (talk) 12:10, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- Fine, then. Userboxes of this type on enwiki have to stay in userspace; that's why I asked. If it is vandalized even once, one of us can protect. I don't intend to have a ton of patience with that. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- Steven, I'm sorry for being perhaps too bold here and I certainly hope I'm not missing some important point and being untactful. But at least the way I see it, it fits perfectly there, reducing the reuse of code, promoting uniform style, and keeping the templates better organized. There are already userboxes on many topics—sex, nationality, even personality :)—so I don't see why faith should be an exception (unless, of course, the intent is to offend other users). In bgwiki it's so common that we even have a convenient “master” template for it. In any case, it's my username in the edit history as creator, and seeing how I'm also mostly impartial here, I'm taking the full responsibility for this decision (as if I could avoid it, anyway).
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Problems
- Last week's Tech News had delivery problems. Some did not get the newsletter. Some got it more than one time. The problem where some pages got it three times should now be fixed. [72]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 October. It will be on all wikis from 3 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 2 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech team is working on a watchlist expiry feature. This means you can put things on your watchlist for a period of time instead of forever. They are looking for feedback on the questions they have.
- Special:Contributions will get the standard OOUI look. This makes it easier to use on mobile and makes it look like other
Special:pages. There is a script you can use to make the form smaller if you want to. [73]
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Recent changes
- The abuse filter function now has a faster parser. This is to shorten the waiting time when you save an edit. [74]
Problems
- There is a problem in the visual editor when you copy or delete text with footnotes. It will be fixed soon. [75]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 October. It will be on all wikis from 10 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 9 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Community Wishlist Survey has a new format. It will focus on wikis that typically get less support. It will probably go back to the normal format next year. It is not decided exactly how it will work this year. You can leave feedback.
- The URL of the Wikimedia wiki main pages could be changed. This is because the current URLs cause several problems. For example
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Pagewould behttps://www.wikidata.org/instead. You can tell the developers if this would cause problems for your wiki. - There is a new technical community newsletter. You can read more about the work of Wikimedia's technical community. Subscribe to get the information in the future.
- Outreachy is an internship program for groups who are underrepresented in free and open-source software. There are seven Wikimedia projects about coding, documentation and quality assurance in the next round. Persons who fit the criteria can apply. The last day to apply is 5 November.
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Recent changes
- You can now use more advanced editing tools on the mobile web. You can turn them on and off in your preferences in the mobile version. [76]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 October. It will be on all wikis from 17 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 16 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Internet Explorer 6 and 7 are no longer supported. This means the browsers might start looking a bit weird. They will not get security support. You can't read Wikimedia wikis in Internet Explorer on Windows XP or Windows versions that are older than Windows XP. This is because almost no one uses the browsers anymore. Supporting them made the wikis less secure for everyone else. [77]
- In the future section headings might have a share link. This is to make it easier to link to the section. You can read more and discuss.
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Recent changes
- The API sandbox and help pages now show more clearly when API modules are marked as
internal. API modules marked as internal were probably internal before. It was easier to miss. You should look for non-internal alternatives. [78]
Problems
- There is a translation tool we use on wikis with more than one language. For a few days it did not create pages for new languages when someone translated a page. The languages did not show in the language bar. This has been fixed. [79]
- The history and diffs can show wrong content. This is because of a cache problem. It will soon be fixed. [80]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 October. It will be on all wikis from 24 October (calendar).
- Reference Previews will be a beta feature on all Wikipedias and some Wikivoyages. It shows you a preview of the footnote when you hover over or click on the number. It has been a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia since April.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 October. See how to join.
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Recent changes
- You can post proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals until 11 November. You can vote on proposals from 20 November to 2 December. This year the wishlist will focus on Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikinews. You can read more about the format for this year.
- Mobile users now have a specific design for their Watchlist. [81][82]
- You can share feedback and ideas on the Desktop Improvements project. The goal is to make the interface easier to use for readers and editors without removing any functionality. The Foundation's Readers Web team will work on this over the next two years.
- OOUI now allows using
px(pixels) instead ofem(em) for some specific cases. [83][84]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 October. It will be on all wikis from 31 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 30 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- There will be no software changes from 19 December to 2 January. The first MediaWiki version next year will come the week of 6 January. [85]
- Gadgets and user scripts can access variables about the current page in JavaScript. In 2015, this information was moved from global variables named
wg*tomw.config. The old global variables will be removed later this year. You can know more about it and tell the developers if you want to try this out on your wiki first.
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Recent changes
- At Special:Contributions you could see up to 5000 edits at the same time if you edited the URL. This has been lowered to 500. This is to stop requests which break the sites. [86]
Changes later this week
MediaWiki:ipb-default-expirycan set the default length to block a user for your wiki. You will be able to useMediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry-ipto set a different default block length for IP editors. [87]- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 November. It will be on all wikis from 7 November (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 6 November at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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Recent changes
- MediaWiki2LaTeX can put different pages from a Wikimedia wiki into a PDF. It can now make a PDF with around 5000 pages. Previously this was 800 pages.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Wikimedia will take part in Google Code-in. This is for young students who want to help with open source software. You can read more. Experienced technical Wikimedians can mentor students.
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Problems
- You will be able to read but not to edit some wikis for up to 30 minutes on 26 November at 06:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. It will probably last much shorter than 30 minutes. This will also affect the
centralauthdatabase. This could for example affect changing passwords, logging in to new wikis, changing emails or global renames. [88]
Changes later this week
- You can soon vote on proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can vote on proposals from 20 November to 2 December. This year the wishlist will focus on Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikinews. You can read more about the format for this year.
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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Changes later this week
- The mobile beta mode will be disabled to have less maintenance. The developers will focus on the desktop improvements project. You can turn on advanced mobile contributions mode if you want to see the categories. You could also jump back to the top. This can instead be done with a gadget or user script. [89]
- Parsoid is software we use for the visual editor, content translation, Flow and the Android app. This has been rewritten. It will come to the wikis gradually over the next two weeks. It has been tested, but there could be some diffs or previews that don't look right. If you see any you can report them. [90]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 November. It will be on the other wikis next week (calendar). This is because of holidays.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 27 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- You will switch between the article and the talk page in a new way in the mobile view in the future. It will use tabs. This is more like in the desktop view. [91]
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Recent changes
- Mix'n'match is a tool to connect Wikidata items to information in other databases. It can be used to find subjects that are missing in a Wikipedia. It now has more than 3000 datasets. Before it was closer to 2000.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 December. It will be on all wikis from 5 December (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- There will be a new schema for XML dumps. Scripts and apps that use them will need to be updated. If they are not updated they will no longer work. [92]
- The
{{REVISIONID}}magic word will no longer work in the content namespaces. This is for performance reasons. When you preview a page it returns""(empty string). When you read a page it returns"-"(dash). In the future this will also affect other namespaces. The next ones are file and category namespaces. [93]
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Recent changes
- Wikimedia projects use Translatewiki to translate the wiki interface. You can now use WatchTranslations to watch projects there. You would get an email if there are missing translations to your language. [94]
- There is a new dataset you can use. It shows the number of editors per country per month for a number of countries. You can read the documentation and download the dataset.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 December. It will be on all wikis from 12 December (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- You can test a new reference tool. It makes it possible to reference different parts of a source without repeating all information. You can test it on the beta cluster. You can see an example article. [95]
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Problems
- The Linter extension helps you find technical errors in articles. It did not show new changes last week. This was because of an API problem. It is now working again. [96]
- Special:Watchlist can show the wrong information again. It does not always show which edits are read and which are unread. This is because of a database problem. The developers are working on solving the problem. [97]
Changes later this week
- You can get email notifications. You can get them immediately, a summary every day or a summary once every week. If you choose a summary you can soon choose not to get notifications you have already marked as read on the wiki. [98]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 December. It will be on all wikis from 19 December (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 18 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The partial blocks feature is now stable. It will come to most wikis on 6 January. Your wiki can ask to wait. Contact NKohli (WMF) if you don't want it now. [99]
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There are now no unaddressed requests for Wikibooks?
In [100], you said so, but I found a 2018 Wikibooks request Requests for new languages/Wikibooks Laki, that you haven't been addressed (that page was created as "Requests for new languages/laki", and without request template, I assume that the creator is considering to request a Wikibooks in Laki, and my assume is supported by Yandex machine translation tool, so I moved that to /Wikibooks Laki plus filed the template). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:11, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't go looking for pages. If it isn't on RFL it doesn't exist. StevenJ81 (talk) 11:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
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Tech News
- Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 6 January 2020.
Recent changes
- All mobile site users now have new features. Features include: tabs for page/discussion; an expanded user-menu; direct access to history pages. These features were initially part of the "advanced mode".
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week or next week.
Future changes
- You can use
setlangin the URL to change the user interface language. This will no longer happen automatically. When you open the link you will be asked to confirm the language change. This will not happen if Javascript is not working in your browser. [101]
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