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Subscribe to the This Month in Education newsletter - learn from others and share your storiesEdit

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How do I mark another account as an alternative account?Edit

On Wikipedia and Wikinews, you can mark another account as a former account by using a template. However, I cannot find a template here. What should I do? CheatCodes4ever (talk) 04:51, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@CheatCodes4ever: Be bold and create one yourself, or copy the template's source code and then use it as if you were using a normal template. Both require basic knowledge about templates and wikitext. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 06:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Why not use Template:User alternative account? Stryn (talk) 06:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
From the thread opener's consideration I guess they want to cleanstart by register a new account? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:17, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Meta:Requests for comment/Allow de-sysop proposal of active adminshipsEdit

Really, I don't hope if this should be successful or not, but currently there's a bit urgent that we need a place to discuss so, due to some global RFCs involve Meta adminships. Do any of our community members interested in it? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit Warring on WikipediaEdit

First off, my apologies if this is the wrong forum in which to bring up this question. If not, please point me to the right place to do so. I am just looking for some advice here. Two days ago, I made a few edits to some closely related pages on Wikipedia. However, they were very quickly reverted by a user who has made most of the past edits to each of those pages. They did not offer much in the way of an explanation as to why, only stating in the edit summary that they were reverting the page to its "last good version" (which seems to be the defense that they use to roll back pretty much all changes made to these articles). As such, I reinstated my changes, making sure to spell out even more carefully the reasoning behind my edits, and clearly state why I believed they were both relevant and necessary once again. Within minutes, the same user reversed those changes once again. At this point, I headed to the article's talk page, where I found that the only topic of discussion in the past centered around this very issue. A different editor faced the same situation, brought up the problem in the section I visited, and the user mentioned above responded with a short but negative message. I responded in this section, asking for people to share their opinions. Soon thereafter, another person offered their view and suggested a compromise solution which incorporated elements of my change as well as the original page, which was what the earlier user had been insisting on all along. They promptly went on to implement this compromise, which after some thought I agreed to as well. However, the editor I have been mentioning quickly reverted this edit as well. I also protested the undoing of some edits I had made at one of these pages which were irrelevant to the discussion at hand, and which nobody had ever vocally taken issue with. However, seemingly out of spite, the same member once again rolled back my other changes, this time with no explanation at all. It was at this point that this person left me a message on my talk page, accusing me of "edit warring" and threatening an immediate ban from editing. I sent back a notice to that user's talk page right away, explaining once more why I made the changes, and demanding their attention. When I did not receive a response for over 24 hours despite their speed in previously undoing my edits, I reinstated only the edits over which there was no controversy, keeping the rest of the page as they had left it, hoping for a swift resolution through dialogue on that article's talk page. Within minutes, those changes were undone as well, with the threat coming in the edit summary this time, but still with no reasoning given as to why it was done. I have refrained from completely reversing those reversions so far, as they are a far more experienced user than I am. However, I feel as though I have no other choice, and if they have an objection to the edits made by myself and others, they should be made to explain themselves and then discuss the issue later on through the talk page, rather than simply stonewalling the issue. Am I wrong to feel that my edits should be kept in place instead, at least until someone is able to raise a point as to what detriment they have caused, however flawed the logic in their reasoning? This is especially true because it is also the case that, insofar as a consensus exists, it is almost completely in favor of the changes that I have attempted to implement along with numerous other people, given that this person is the only one who did not support doing so. A Red Cherry (talk) 23:03, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

(For those who needs context, see Template:16TeamBracket-NHL Divisional@enwiki)
@A Red Cherry: Well, some people can be a bit unfriendly, but always remember to assume good faith, even if the other(s) do(es)n't. Assuming they have a really good reason to do so, then try to follow my 2 cents: Stay cool, have a cup of tea and try other ways to resolve conflicts (en:WP:DRN, en:WP:ANI, etc.). Other than that, I'm afraid MetaWiki is generally not the place. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 23:33, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Editing news 2022 #1Edit

Read this in another languageSubscription list for this multilingual newsletter

New editors were more successful with this new tool.

The New topic tool helps editors create new ==Sections== on discussion pages. New editors are more successful with this new tool. You can read the report. Soon, the Editing team will offer this to all editors at the 20 Wikipedias that participated in the test. You will be able to turn it off at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion.

Whatamidoing (WMF) 18:55, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

New competition on English Wikipedia and related SiteNotice requestEdit

A popular article writing competition CEE Spring (about Central and Eastern Europe; now with special subcategory about Esperanto) is happening on the English Wikipedia until the 31st May 2022. I warmly invite you to participate, write some article and win a valuable prize! If you have question, I will happily answer it on the competition page talk.

Also, for more wide outreach, I have just asked for a CentralNotice, which should appear also in this project. If you have a comment on the request, you are welcome to write it on the request page. --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 18:31, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


Since this redirect only seems to have two backlinks, I think it is appropriate to retarget it to Spam blacklist, though I would like to ask here first to avoid confusion. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
08:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I initially thought this was a redirect to Spam blacklist. I think Spam blacklist seems more appropriate than the current page it redirects to. Hulged (talk) 09:20, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Sounds non-controversial. A hatnote should be added too. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 09:44, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, sure. —— Eric LiuTalk 12:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Weird rename request issueEdit

Tracked in Phabricator:
task T308388

In all the time I've done renames since it became a global thing, this is the first time I've run across one like this. I don't want to proceed until I know it's not going to break something. Can someone look at this one and offer any suggestions? I'm not sure how to get the "not attached" accounts to attach as the editor in question says he's followed the steps for merging and it still hasn't attached them. If you can comment over there, that will be helpful. If you comment here, please ping me. Thanks in advance for any help! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:54, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: I've asked them to (re)try via's Special:MergeAccount — I can't see any merge errors, nor indications that a merge was attempted, but I'll take another look once they say they've given it a go 🙂 — TNT (talk • she/her) 17:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Great! Thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
For reference, this didn't work — I've logged T308388TNT (talk • she/her) 17:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
The rename request element of this has been resolved — TNT (talk • she/her) 19:29, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Global TwinkleEdit

Hello! Occasionally I'll be looking at SRG because I'm going to report a user to be globally locked/blocked. Today I noticed than in the history, one of the tags on someone's edit is "Global Twinkle". What exactly is this? I know what normal Twinkle is as I use it on enWiki, however I've never heard of Global Twinkle before. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: See User:Xiplus/TwinkleGlobal. It's a modified version of Twinkle with far less features yet still useful enough to use in most crosswiki works. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 17:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
@NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh: Interesting. Would I be able to use it with Twinkle or would that break things? I don't use stuff cross-wiki often however if I ever do need to it seems like it would be very useful. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
@Blaze Wolf: Those two do have some overlaps, but I'm pretty sure that in general nothing will be broken. Your TW menu will be a bit longer though. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 17:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
@NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh: Alright sounds good. Thanks! ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Let's talk about the Desktop ImprovementsEdit


Have you noticed that some wikis have a different desktop interface? Are you curious about the next steps? Maybe you have questions or ideas regarding the design or technical matters?

Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements! It will take place on 17 May 2022 at 12:00 UTC and 19:00 UTC on Zoom. Click here to join. Meeting ID: 86217494304. Dial by your location.


  • Update on the recent developments
  • Questions and answers, discussion


The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes will be taken in a Google Docs file. Olga Vasileva (the Product Manager) will be hosting this meeting. The presentation part will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, Italian, Polish; also, only at the first meeting: Farsi, Vietnamese; only at the second meeting: Portuguese, Spanish, Russian. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the talk page or send them to

At this meeting, both Friendly space policy and the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces apply. Zoom is not subject to the WMF Privacy Policy.

We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 05:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia Sound Logo contest discussionEdit

Wikimedia Sound Logo contest discussion


The Wikimedia sound logo contest is under discussion here, and your input on the talk page is appreciated: There will also be two video conversations on Friday May 27 @11:00 UTC and Tuesday May 31 @15:00 UTC, in case you want to chat live.

Thank you!

VGrigas (WMF) (talk) 00:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)