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I am blocked on bgwikiEdit

Is User:PSS_9 your bot? Why it blocked me out of the blue there? I was blocked because I tried to tag a self promo/out of scope page for deletion. Please unblock me asap. Masum Reza 17:12, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Masumrezarock100! Thank you for helping out the Bulgarian Wikipedia and sorry about the bot blocking you. The reason is that in general we don't allow non-autopatrolled users to edit other users pages due to recurrent vandalism. I've added you to the bot's whitelist, so it won't bother you again, but in general, if you find inappropriate content on other users' pages, it may be better to just inform the sysops, rather that putting templates. Again, many thanks for the help!
— Luchesar • T/C 17:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I am not gonna wait and inform a sysop when someone is spamming their userpage. If I find inappropriate content that needs deletion I will tag them without hesitating. By the way, your bot went straight to revert all of my edits after blocking me. It restored blatant vandalism, spam! It didn't even leave the image replacement edits (After I move files on Commons, I replace file names) alone! I had to revert some edits your bot had made. I talked with other SWMT members today and some of them replied they also had faced the same problem. IMO, your bot should detect global contributions count rather than local as this can reduce false positive. Good day to you, Masum Reza 20:38, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Masumrezarock100, thank you very much for your feedback and once again sorry for those problems. I'll make more changes to the bot code to reduce the false positives. There's one thing I don't understand though, and which apparently also confuses the bot. Recently, there's an increased number of obviously non-local editors who “revert” vandalism and who are not global rollbackers, sysops, or stewards. Do you know what the reason is? I mean, bgwiki isn't a small wiki to be under the SWMT scope. Of course, this help is really appreciated, but somewhat unexpected too. Thanks. P.S. I receive notifications when someone posts to RfAA and so could react even immediately if I'm at my computer and reading my mail. A speedy tag could sit there for days. Just saying. As long as you follow the local rules, do whatever you find most convenient for you.
— Luchesar • T/C 22:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for the harsh tone there. I lost my temper.
Sudden increase of non-local editors who revert vandalism might be because of the recent changes in some SWMT tools. SWViewer, which is one of the tools that SWMT members use, was recently updated and now users with rollback right on one Wikimedia project (who are not GS/GR/Stewards) can also use its features. Also there are other tools as well that SWMT members use such as Global Twinkle and Tagger.js. As time goes on, the member number of SWMT increases. I am not sure why do you think bgwiki is not within SWMT scope. It and many other projects are listed at Small_Wiki_Monitoring_Team/Groups. Some users who want to patrol other wikis, add those wikis to their queue. I for one, watch some large wikis including French, Italian, Spanish and German Wikipedia.
Now the reason why some of us prefers to tag pages for deletion instead of contacting a local administrator.
  1. Most of us aren't familiar with small wikis individually. So it is hard for us to find where to report vandalism, request deletion etc. In GS wikis (where Global sysop group is enabled), we prefer to contact GS instead of a local administrator.
  2. Language barrier.
I hope I have clarified things for you. Again, thanks for your help and sorry about my rudeness. Masum Reza 23:20, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much again, Masumrezarock100, this information is indeed very helpful and especially important for the future development of the bot. It's now clear that my assumption of having a predictable community of editors, including the specifics of newcomers, is outdated at best (the bot is “suspicious” of new users without global rights who immediately engage actively in reverting—such users had been in the past exclusively vandals—sadly, the bot is not yet intelligent enough to determine reliably if the revert itself is justified, but I'm working on that too). And you were completely justified in your frustration and resentment—seeing how we are all volunteers, I also know too well how precious our time is. Been through such things myself with bot-edits from other users, so I totally understand your feelings—no need to apologize for that! Well, just sometimes I kinda feel that with each passing year the atmosphere in the projects is getting more and more tense... But maybe it's just me. :)
Anyway, really appreciate your time and help! All the best,
— Luchesar • T/C 23:38, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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