Community Wishlist Survey 2017/Editing/Ping users from the edit summary

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  • Problem: I recently saw a person wondering how to notify someone of a change, without necessarily leaving a message on the chat page.
  • Who would benefit: Every editor
  • Proposed solution: The solution would be to allow notifications when a user page is linked in a change summary.
  • More comments: A recurrent subject, which has not yet been resolved. It doesn't seem so complicated to implement. There would surely be some details to review, such as revert messages that send useless pings.

DiscussionEdit

I agree it is very time consuming to try and communicate with every editor/user one encounters. Even sending thanks can be cumbersome. There are also other reasons users are reluctant to post on a talkpage. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC) Please ping me[]

There was a similar request on the huwiki village pump (where we were collecting ideas for the wishlist) for pinging users from the FlaggedRevs review summary (the optional comment field when you mark an edit as reviewed). --Tgr (talk) 06:40, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[]

@Framawiki: do you have any idea how this should work? The summary field is already short and I am hesitant to support a proposal which can shorten it even more. Perhaps a secondary field for names of pinged users? --Vachovec1 (talk) 21:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[]

"The summary field is already short" It is planned to deploy allowing for longer comments very soon (this was worked as part of a previous year wish), so that should not be a large concern. --JCrespo (WMF) (talk) 15:40, 28 November 2017 (UTC)::to propose a new field, why not. I don't really see the benefit.[]
Vachovec1: To propose a new field, why not. But I don't really see the benefit to add something else to this well complicated system. For how to implement this, it is also possible to manage this after the vote, or let the team decide :)
The only problem I see with the implementation of this idea, which has already been written somewhere, is the risk of edits escalating, which would be a means of discussion. But it seems fair enough to me. --Framawiki (talk) 21:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]

Since one of the comments below mention this, I would suggest that we integrate this with the way in which we have proposed support of "hashtags" as well in edit summaries: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123529 . The idea being that edit summaries could be a tool for tracking both relationships to individuals activities (hence the ping suggested here), or to larger campaigns of activity (i.e. a WikiProject, event, or editing campaign in the vein of WikiProject Women in Red). Making the edit summaries more "connected" with the activities throughout the ecosystem -- would make it much easier to build tracking and coordination tools, to help folks feel like their work is part of larger efforts. Sadads (talk) 13:52, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]

  • Note that some projects has banned polemic in the summary field, and allowing discussions with other users in the summary field would go against this. That said I believe this is a bad idea in general, as notifying other users should be part of the general notification structure. A small number of predefined notifications could be sent to other users that has the page on their watchlist. They should be predefined, otherwise the total workload increase as the messages must be wetted. — Jeblad 23:17, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]

VotingEdit

  •   Support Bencemac (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Tacsipacsi (talk) 20:46, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --OrsolyaVirág (talk) 21:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support NMaia (talk) 23:54, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Jc86035 (talk) 03:04, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support David1010 (talk) 07:42, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Supportviciarg414 08:17, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
  •   Support --Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talkmail) 08:31, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Mahir256 (talk) 09:00, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Jenks24 (talk) 09:11, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Generally I support this idea, but summaries should not be overfilled. Maybe there should be some field under edit and summary fields dedicated only for pinging users to the edit. Dvorapa (talk) 09:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Jcornelius (talk) 10:00, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:04, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support I would like both @ and # tracking within edit summaries, so that we can meaningfully have conversations and communication within the edit summaries. Sadads (talk) 13:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support YFdyh000 (talk) 14:09, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   SupportArkanosis 14:43, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Consulnico (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Husky (talk) 16:21, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Dexxor (talk) 17:59, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Agreeing with Dvorapa. — Draceane talkcontrib. 18:01, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support When principal database administrator (JCrespo) says it's OK, it's enough insurance for me. Vachovec1 (talk) 18:36, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support I am sad when I link a user name in an edit comment and then this does not generate a ping. --Gereon K. (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 19:41, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Hungarikusz Firkász (talk) 20:04, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Léna (talk) 21:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support This might help with reverts where patrollers are too lazy to leave a comment on the user's talk page. But please use a separate field (which in case of a revert could even be auto-filled). Kurt Jansson (talk) 21:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Thomas Obermair 4 (talk) 21:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Could be really useful. Jules78120 (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support -- GrandCelinien (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Shizhao (talk) 02:59, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support bspf   (talk) 07:46, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support - Very neat idea. --George Ho (talk) 08:13, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Ayack (talk) 12:55, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Paucabot (talk) 17:13, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Rhinopias (talk) 17:29, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Niklem (talk) 19:10, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Drm310 (talk) 19:13, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support 4nn1l2 (talk) 19:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --Christian Ferrer (talk) 20:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Pallanz (talk) 20:19, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Tisfoon (talk) 20:33, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Arthur Crbz (talk) 20:54, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Patar knightchat/contributions 20:57, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Bardia90 (talk) 22:07, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Good idea Nick Moyes (talk) 22:46, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Helder 23:25, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Supportputnik 01:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Most definitely! Bingobro (Meta-Chat) 03:07, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Furfur (talk) 04:00, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Daylen (talk) 04:22, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Nihlus 05:09, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support - yona B. (D) 07:01, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --BrownHairedGirl (talk) 08:59, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Sakretsu (talk) 09:13, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Sunfyre (talk) 13:57, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Exilexi (talk) 14:49, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Dromedar61 (talk) 20:50, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Daniel Case (talk) 02:46, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support The solution as stated in Sadads seems good. JAn Dudík (talk) 06:08, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --Superchilum(talk to me!) 16:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 17:07, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Theklan (talk) 18:36, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Ckoerner (talk) 21:33, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Xavi Dengra (MESSAGES) 21:49, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Good idea! Enterprisey (talk) 22:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support SEMMENDINGER (talk) 23:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support MGChecker (talk) 00:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Whats new? (talk) 00:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Terra  (talk) 06:59, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:21, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Shjup (talk) 11:41, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support ~Cybularny Speak? 12:18, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Ented (talk) 12:36, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Wolbo (talk) 13:00, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 14:23, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support MichaelSchoenitzer (talk) 14:27, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Townie (talk) 15:53, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Termininja (talk) 15:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Maitake (talk) 16:50, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --Pallerti Rabbit Hole 18:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Yep, I'll pile on this one. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:59, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support provided it won"t become a chat-bis… Exceptionnal use shall be the rule Eric.LEWIN (talk) 00:24, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Joshualouie711 (talk) 02:17, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Slemi (talk) 06:00, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Jcc (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Weak oppose This is what watchlist is for. If we think that people don't use it then we need to improve watchlist instead...? Gryllida 00:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Force Radical (talk) 04:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Weak oppose Edit summaries should be used only for informing what changed in the page. Notifications stop making sense after a time period, while summaries should make sense in 10 years time. Notifying particular users of a change seems useful, but perhaps this could be done after the edit was saved in some other way. Perhaps using the "Your edit was saved" popup to have a button to ping other users? GoEThe (talk) 12:00, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Davidpar (talk) 15:17, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Pau Colominas (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Oppose - If you want to ping an editor then do so on the articles talkpage, I really don't see the point in pinging someone in an edit summary, An edit summary is to be used to state what you're doing - Not to have a conversation - You're frequently told at EN "Edit summaries are not discussions" and allowing this could allow that precedent. –Davey2010Talk 16:44, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Tiputini (talk) 17:10, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Unapersona (talk) 17:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Fixer88 (talk) 17:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Guycn2 · 19:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Oppose - too spammy. Having fun! Cheers! Checkingfax (talk) 21:09, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Support this proposal. ··· 🌸 Rachmat04 · 07:46, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Lofhi (talk) 18:04, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Yeza (talk) 18:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Elmidae (talk) 18:41, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Carnildo (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support – Of course! It is especially useful when creating an article that no one has watchlisted yet and pinging an interested editor (e. g. here. Probably my strongest support so far! J947 05:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Useful feature EMsmile (talk) 11:25, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support -glove- (talk) 16:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Anthere (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Kudpung (talk) 20:30, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Klaas `Z4␟` V:  21:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Neil P. Quinn (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Ahm masum (talk) 08:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Excellent Idea! —Alvaro Molina ( - ) 16:37, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support A change summary of the form "Modified so-and-so's editing of X thusly" seems pretty usual anyway. HLHJ (talk) 03:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --jdx Re: 19:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Ragesoss (talk) 00:31, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support RandomDSdevel (talk) 01:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Uanfala (talk) 15:52, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support I support this element of the whishlist. Porbóllett (talk) 19:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --Szilas (talk) 19:40, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support - Akela (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --EniPort (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --Hkoala (talk) 04:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Ruslik (talk) 13:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Spinster (talk) 21:12, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Ottawahitech (talk) 21:16, 10 December 2017 (UTC) Please ping me []
  •   Support Jack who built the house (talk) 21:53, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support I though it worked this way until I was told it wasn't Dispenser (talk) 04:20, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Additionally, it would be great to allow users to "thanks all contributors of this page". Psychoslave (talk) 07:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Useful idea with major flaws. 1) There's should be a way to prevent spam, since it's hard even to track notification abuse (I can add [[User:Jimbo Wales|.]] to every edit and no users except Jimbo will notice that. Edits in sandboxes and my subpages probably will not be noticed as well. Edit summaries also cannot be deleted and edited). 2) Ping syntax probably should be more sophisicated than "give a link to user page". As a botmaster, I usually use edit summaries like "Done by [[User:Someone]]'s request", but I do not want to make a single ping.
    Support anyway. Facenapalm (talk) 13:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --Meno25 (talk) 15:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Neutral. I see some very narrow set of cases when a ping in an edit summary is really the most efficient way of contacting someone (e.g. fixing someone's mistake in good faith) and I see a much wider range of cases of potential abuse (e.g. spamming someone) or misuse (e.g. summaries of bot edits made on someone's request). In general discussions via edit summaries are discouraged, thus this is probably a useful feature but a very low priority for me — NickK (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support --Ilya (talk) 16:52, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  •   Support Abbe98 (talk) 17:02, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[]