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Welcome to Meta!Edit

Hello, Ottawahitech. Welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Happy editing!

-- 19:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Real-world examples on the Blocking talk pageEdit

Hi Ottawahitech — we request that real-world examples of harassment or other forms of conduct not be linked or discussed on any talk page about the Community health initiative. If there are examples you want to share with us that are pertinent to the software we're building and wiki policies we're evaluating, please do so by email. Thank you. — Trevor Bolliger, WMF Product Manager 🗨 17:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

The Community Wishlist SurveyEdit

Hi,

You get this message because you’ve previously participated in the Community Wishlist Survey. I just wanted to let you know that this year’s survey is now open for proposals. You can suggest technical changes until 11 November: Community Wishlist Survey 2019.

You can vote from November 16 to November 30. To keep the number of messages at a reasonable level, I won’t send out a separate reminder to you about that. /Johan (WMF) 11:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

"Who Wrote That" project updateEdit

Hello. I'm reaching out to you as you participated in the 2017 Community Wishlist proposal for "Who Wrote That" project (previously known as "Blame Tool"). The Community Tech team is kicking things off on the project and we have an early-stage mockup available for you to look at. I invite you to follow that project page, where I will be posting periodic status updates for the project. You are also welcome to provide your thoughts on the talk page. Thank you. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 22:57, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

YouEdit

are unwelcome at en-wiki in any form or manner. Cross-wiki tries will get your account locked. Regards, Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

HelloEdit

Hello, I noticed you had brought simple issues over here. User:Ottawahitech/covid seems to be as you had stated to be a dump for simple article but does it meet scope of this project (meta-wiki)? In addition, you had been continuing the wikiproject issue here with other editors, and a thank you for a local issue shouldn't be on meta per User talk:TDKR Chicago 101.

I will say this is an advice, please stop what you are doing now. These are not what meta-wiki should be. It's a hub for co-ordinating different projects, we have some leeway for people to bring projects stuffs here but not too much. Something like User:Ottawahitech/useful links is still marginally acceptable.

I personally thank you for your contributions on simple, but what you should do is to be receptive of feedback and then ask for a proper unblock, not continuing here. Meta isn't to be used as continuing local issues. Regards,--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 18:52, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101:
I have known User:Bluerasberry for years. I would have thanked him on simple but I am not permitted to. as far as dumping the knoledge I gained re covid, I normally would not do it. However, I sincerely believe covid is a big threat worldwide and this is the little I can do to help share information with anyone who is interested (I doubt there are many/any preprared to sift through this raw dump), but I can't see who this hurts. Again, you are doing a great job at simple, keep at it! Ottawahitech (talk) 01:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
@Camouflaged Mirage: I am honestly confused. I am not continuing simple here. I did ask to be unblocked on Simple, but the response I got did not address my request. I am busy and don't have time for prolonged, unfruitful discussions, so I let it go. If Simple does not believe I am contributing, that's simple's prerogative. I was just dumping the knowlege I have gained in a small hidden part of my user space to share with anyone who is interested. Actually I am surprised you even found it, hidden in my own user space. If you think it is not useful for you just ignore it. I provided a link to the simple article on covid for those who may need more information, but I'll remove it since you think it is a problem. Am I making sense? apologies to both for rambling, I just don't have the timee to organie my thoughts. I truly appreciate both of you communicating here. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
2 things, one, don't insert things into my comments, I switched. Second, we patrol every edits here (and I am clearing the backlog of unpatrolled edits), so I just get to your edits as part of my routine patrol. We have a list of unpatrolled edits and I am just working through it.
I will say meta has it scope, and inclusion, that few edits you made here is close to out of scope, that page on COVID is out of scope. I just hope you will understand the scope of this wiki. Please read Meta:scope. :)
To be honest, mentioning simple here (and pinged TKDR once more) seems to be participating via proxies in simple processes, which is why you get blocked on en in the first place. Please stop. Best Regards,--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 06:58, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
@Camouflaged Mirage: I am not trying to create drama, just looking for a wikimedia project that will allow me to share COVID-19 information with others. These are unprecedented times, even the Washington Post has removed its usual paywall to allow public access to this article : https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/ Ottawahitech (talk) 15:58, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Then I will suggest either wikibooks / wikiversity. Meta is co-ordination wiki, which mean that this is a hub for all wikis. I will say if it is relevant to cross-wiki work / outreach, then the COVID things are in scope. This is not a content wiki. Yeah, I am living in a COVID hit country too, I agree this is important. Try to edit at wikibooks / wikiversity will be my best advice. But please respect local rules too. --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:03, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
@Camouflaged Mirage Just in case you are interested: I tried to add my covid braindump to my user space on wikibooks, but I tripped their spam filter (not sure why) and could not save my file. I then moved on to wikiversity and after spending time again (logging in, setting up the file etc), I was told I had to get admin approval. So now I will wait for an admin to attend to ths. Thanks. Ottawahitech (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Okay, just do something productive. Take care.--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:55, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your message and encouragement. I find our interactions helpful and I appreciate the movement you made at Simple English Wikipedia. If you have any ideas for coordinating activity regarding COVID-19 then take a go at it. The Wikimedia Foundation has COVID-19, which I appreciate but to me it still reads as their voice and not something the Wikimedia community would produce for itself. I appreciate your focus on the community. If you see a way to be productive and positive then give it a go. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • i see there is also coronation a page started on March 13. Looks like this is the page for the community, while the COVID-19 has more information aimed at wmf staff. Last i checked u were making progress at st regarding wprojects and wikidata. I like this. Take care. Ottawahitech (talk) 10:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, againEdit

Hi, Ottawahitech,

I saw you posted to my Meta talk page. I hope you are doing okay in all of this craziness these days. You are missed! Stay well, Liz (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Liz:, I am doing OK in real life (no COVID-19 in any people I care about, yet), how are you?
As far as wmf is concerned it looks like I may have reached the end of the road. Please don't get involved in this, the last enwiki admin who was friendly to me has given up their admin tools and left wikipedia for good, or so it appears. I sincerely hope I was not the cause of this. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

You2Edit

Please stop. You have been participating in proxy editing after being warned again and again that you should not! Why are you continuously pinging @ xaosflux and disrupting the work of important administrators here? This is your last warning Please stop! ottawahitechsock 13:35, April 1 2020 (UTC)

My dear sock: I was going to respond on your user talkpage, but I cannot find it, and cannot even ping it. I hope you will check my page and answer this question: what is proxy editing? Thanks in advanceOttawahitech (talk) 14:44, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Ottawahitech, I came by because of your mysterious/unexplained revert on Flow_satisfaction_survey.[1] I look forward to that explanation, but I see there appears to be a more urgent matter. I'm trying to help you. I have no idea why you are blocked and it doesn't matter. You appear to be in danger of further sanction, and you are placing other editors at risk of being blocked.
Proxy editing is when you are blocked from editing, and you attempt to circumvent that block by asking someone else to make your edits for you. In particular I see you asked Vermont to copy your edits from here to SimpleWiki.[2] Your rationale and good intentions don't matter, that is the very definition of attempting to edit-by-proxy on a project you are prohibited from editing. I suggest you strongly withdraw your request on Vermont's page, and I suggest that you avoid anything that might create any further impression that you are attempting to influence-in-any-way the content on any project where you are blocked. Alsee (talk) 04:00, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
@Alsee:, Thanks so much for dropping by and helping with my quest to understand what editing by proxy means. I found the proxy-editing-policy/guideline/essay(?) on enwiki a long time ago, but can no longer locate it without putting in a lot of effort.
But since you are here, I would like to use this opportunityto find out why you oppose flow development on wmf-projects so vehemently. IIRC we met at WikiProject Breakfast on enwiki many many years ago. I was instrumental in making the talkpage of that little used wikiproject into a Beta (more alpha actually) test site for flow. You then showed up a few months later, and forced (at least this is how I felt) the closure of this trial. I never really understood the rationale of the objection you had because whenever I asked quetions I was sent off to read huge wallsoftext of what appeared to me to be goblygook. So here we are years later, I am still (barely) allowed to participate on some wmf-projects and you are still going strong removing any hint of flowlike movement.
Just for my own piece of mind, would you be willing to enlighten me?
BTW it appears the revert rules (for the first time in my own wiki-history) seemed to produce an acceptable compromise at the Flow_satisfaction_survey link you provided above. Also since it is COVID-time I wonder if we should postpone this conversation to a later more relaxed time? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the Central Login FeatureEdit

@Ottawahitech:

I saw your comment in my Wikimedia page. I am sorry I have not updated the paragraph. It has been updated, and may be deleted if you ask for deletion of it. I feel really comfortable with central login and also the feature that Meta Wiki profile pages are copied into several other profile pages.

Regards

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 18:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

BlockEdit

I didn't want to do this, but it became increasingly evident that there is no possibility of this ending any other way. I've blocked your account indefinitely with talk page access to facilitate appeals if you intend to do so in the future. On this project, you've asked multiple other editors to help you edit other projects, which are attempts at proxy editing and not appropriate at all. There's a continual lack of understanding of the purpose of this project, as evident by the many talk page messages you've left for other editors, the ensuing arguments and disagreements, and the pages you've been editing. What was the final straw for me is this edit, where you ask a globally locked user for help with the editing Meta-Wiki. You have been given many chances on many projects over many years, and unfortunately it doesn't look like you'll be able to find a place on this project to be able to contribute constructively. I have no doubt you are here in good faith, but your actions have not had a constructive benefit. Thank you for your understanding, Vermont (talk) 17:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

reply to blocked userEdit

thanks 2600:387:5:807::7a for starting this edit war on my meta-talk-page regarding priests. I see you were also invloved In another blocked-user affairs? I better post this really quick before my talkpage priviledges are also removed (I wonder what the excuse will be this time?) Ottawahitech (talk) 15:59, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Are you seriously wanting your TPA access to be revoked. Why are you feeding trolls? Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
I am not feeding anyone - I am trying, in vain, to fight for my wiki-survival. See: Request to all simple Admins Ottawahitech (talk) 16:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Just telling you, the only purpose a blocked user uses their talkpage is for appealing of a block. Nothing else. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:25, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

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Can I at least explain why I believe it is futile to ask for an unblock? Ottawahitech (talk) 20:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Why? I'm completely open to considering an unblock provided you can indicate understanding of why you were blocked and that you won't repeat it in the future. Vermont (talk) 04:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Are you saying that I should not strive to improve Wikipedia?
I don't know if you are one of the millions of Americans who has no health insurance, but I wonder if it makes sense to you to remove an article about a non-profit organization that helps/helped uninsured individuals obtain health coverage under the w:affordable healthcare act from public view? My talk-page on enwiki has a recent posting by someone who obviously has good intentions informing me that an article I started back in 2013, which was nicely expanded in 2018, will soon be deleted.
Are you saying that it is not up to me to try and communicate with this good faith editor and tell them I believe they are making a mistake? Ottawahitech (talk) 12:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Upon reading this, Ottawa, I think I can see a few ways you could think of a block appeal that would not involve insincerity or groveling on your part. If you want my take on the matter, I'll gladly provide it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:56, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

On WikinewsEdit

I'm replying here because Green Giant told me six months ago that he'd block my talk page access if I used my Wikinews talk page for anything except an appeal (which is why I had to email him when I needed admin assistance with another problem, which he indeffed me for doing--it's a mess). He may have had time to change his mind about some or all of that, but he hasn't said so to me.

Don't use my talk page as a place to discuss the Papers or news in general because I get an email every time someone posts there, and I don't want anyone to write a baiting post in the guise of responding to you. Since I see Vermont did not place restrictions on the way you use your talk page, we can chat about the news here if you like. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:55, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

  • @Vermont and Green Giant: For your review. I am pinged by @Darkfrog24: on my talkpage about a request for them to apparently discuss issues with this blocked user for enwikinews issues. I am of no opinion here. My comments on top is for ottawa not to comment to globally locked/blocked users / IP (or evaders of global block / lock). If there is no reply Darkfrong24 please file a clarification request on RFH not my talkapge, I will hope for a consensus of admins for any decision. 6 months is long and whatsoever warnings I given above can be safely considered stale. I will still note that it's common not to allow blocked users to digress on their talkpage on issues not directly relating to their block / unblock requests. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:04, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
As far as Wikinews is concerned, Darkfrog24’s behaviour became increasingly unacceptable in the months leading up to the block and created a toxic atmosphere involving harassment and an acrimonious dispute involving three other administrators and opinions from two uninvolved administrators. Six months have gone by without a bona fide block appeal. If anyone wishes to, they can read Darkfrog24’s user talkpage there for a fuller understanding of the issues. If there is any discussion of Wikinews content by anyone with Darkfrog24 here or elsewhere, it will be considered in the same light as the warnings about proxy editing in the sections above. Ottawahitech is welcome to contribute on Wikinews but should steer carefully where blocks are involved. -Green Giant (talk) 11:49, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
It sounds like Green Giant and I are on the same page that Ottawa should please refrain from making any more casual-conversation posts on my Wikinews talk page. I will note that Ottawa hasn't posted there since October 14, so good on you too, Ottawa. Hooray for Team No One Needs More Drama!
I did not ask Camouflaged Mirage to talk to Ottawa about Wikinews. The post is here [3]. I've been reading about conflict resolution over the past six months and I think that if Ottawa is allowed to use his talk page to discuss things with people whom he recognizes as not hostile toward him, he might understand why other people might have a good reason to dislike his actions. The books say sitting and stewing in your own ideas is countereffective to that. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I will object as an administrator here. There is no basis for a blocked user to engage in any conversation beyond seeking for unblock. Any other users who tried to talk to them needs to thread a fine line. The reason for Ottawa block is very clear, and given meta isn't an appeal court, the further talking with you about wikinews (a project that blocked you) isn't the most helpful here on meta. I generally give leeway on talkpage usage, but please with a block reason about "not here to contribute constructively", any further unrelated conversation is fundamentally against the appeal of the block. I have all willingness to unblock Ottawa as long as a commitment can be made to observe meta scope and noms, I am further willing to mentor him subject to conditions.
I will say rather Darkfrog24 you are the person which bring wikinews issues to a different project, without any basis as well as without relevance of scope to meta. This is also not contributing to the project constructively. If you have any wish to help Ottawa, please cease this conversation lest he get involved here and then there might be a chance the conversation will be derailed.
In addition, if you want Ottawa to stay clear of your talkpage at wikinews, you may seek help at wikinews or rather, the coming to his talkpage at meta isn't helpful in any manner. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:13, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, you listened to my opinion on the matter of talk pages, CM, and there's no incivility in not finding it convincing.
But I must correct you that no I'm not allowed to ask for help on Wikinews if there's a problem on Wikinews. If I want to tell Ottawa "Don't post on my WN talk because I'm not allowed to answer you," then I do have to do it in some other place. But now I've done that, and you're absolutely right that we shouldn't risk causing the same problem here that I'm trying to prevent over there. I commend you for offering Ottawa mentoring and I wish O and yourself the best of luck with it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 16:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Okay, glad we all sorted out here. Darkfrog24. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:33, 24 October 2020 (UTC)