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Un grazie e un libro sulla conoscenza libera per teEdit

Gentile Valerio Bozzolan,

oggi ti scrivo a nome dell'associazione Wikimedia Italia per ringraziarti del tempo che hai dedicato ai progetti Wikimedia.

Come piccolo omaggio avremmo piacere di spedirti una copia (tutta in carta riciclata) del libro di Carlo Piana, Open source, software libero e altre libertà. Fornisci un recapito per ricevere una copia del libro.

Pochi giorni fa il mondo ha festeggiato la giornata dell'amore per il software libero, ma ogni giorno è buono per ricordare le garanzie delle licenze libere e le centinaia di migliaia di persone che si sono unite per costruire questo bene comune della conoscenza. Speriamo che questo libro ti sia utile per apprezzare quanto hai fatto e per trasmettere la passione della conoscenza libera a una persona a te vicina.

Se desideri una copia ma non puoi fornirci un indirizzo a cui spedirla, contatta la segreteria Wikimedia Italia e troviamo una soluzione insieme.

Grazie ancora e a presto,

Lorenzo Losa (msg) 15:15, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Info templatestylesEdit

"background-color" can't use in "templatestyles" css-Files --𝐖𝐢𝐤𝐢𝐁𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐫 👤💬 14:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@WikiBayer: Do you know why the interface does not raise any warning or any error about that? I noticed that warning in other occasions. --Valerio Bozzolan (talk) 14:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
The Code Editor was originally developed for normal css-files. At that time there were no templatestyles. PS: You can use <div style="background-color:xxxx"> at the Template--𝐖𝐢𝐤𝐢𝐁𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐫 👤💬 14:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Transparency support has been requested last week, and I have just reported lack of warning which seems strange to me. --Pols12 (talk) 16:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

The "less embellishment" proposal.Edit

Hello Valerio,

Thanks for your reply to my proposal for "less embellishment".

Since the original submission I've spent several hours over several mornings reading replies, thinking and composing counter-replies. Have tried to state forcefully without being too offensive. Of course any disagreement can be offensive but style of writing makes the difference between debate and insult.

A particular incident was my original motivation. For years I've edited sources. I spent many hours learning to use markup for tables of contents, tables, color backgrounds & etc. Many details are critical to the Oberon book. Overriding some of the automation was necessary but difficult. Eventually I became sufficiently skilled with source editing. =8~) One day there was a new edit link at the top of the page. There was now [edit] and [edit source]. Inadvertently clicking on [edit] produced a progress bar and delay while visual editing loaded. =8~| My thinking was, "Why do I need this? Source editing works well. A new facility is cluttering the page and slowing my work." I understand that source editing is difficult for many. Visual editing might be justified. Nevertheless there should be a way to provide it without more clutter on the page. Pages already have enough (or more than enough) information additional to the primary content. Mobile page style is my preference, even on a desktop machine; "simple as possible".

In my view, unnecessary embellishment is a serious threat to Wikimedia projects. There are two sources of embellishment. A volunteer can apply skills to create a new feature while not evaluating carefully how it is implemented. Sometimes there is a simple way and a complex way. "Simpler is better." =8~)

Secondly is work by a paid programmer. Conflict of interest is a risk. Of course I don't condemn paid programmers but objectives must be evaluated carefully and honestly to avoid unjustified work. With the current strong financial position of the Foundation unjustified work is a particular risk.

At present my imagination is producing no good ideas for better expression of the concern. You have said you are on my side. Good. =8~) Can you write a paragraph improving my statements? Perfection is not necessary. Just something to spur my imagination in the right direction. Progress is possible. =8~)

Thanks! ... PeterEasthope (talk) 17:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that part of the incident here is that I'm not native English so I have totally no idea about what embellishment may mean, really. Also after I've read the examples also, maybe because I use a different interface or a different theme or a different device and I do not understand what we are talking about. I think a good proposal is: «Go to URL https://foo with your browser-web set to English language with Vector theme from unregistered from desktop, then look in the top right corner. Do you see that label "xxxx"? It's confusing because bla bla. I propose "foo bar" instead». Something like assuming that your readers have totally no idea about what we are talking about, as they were aliens (spoiler: they are! ahah) --Valerio Bozzolan (talk) 20:14, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
From Google Translate: embellishment = abbellimento.
Your English is infinitely better than my Italian.
Ciao! ... P. PeterEasthope (talk) 04:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
I understand that you're seeing something bad and you want to change it. That's awesome! Thank you so much for this. MediaWiki is not sexy by design. But I'm saying that most people were not able to guess what was ugly, where and what can be done. That's precisely what it's not obvious. Please share more context! Let others understand your point of view! Don't fight to win the prize "proposal with the least number of words" :D --Valerio Bozzolan (talk) 08:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
> ... most people were not able to guess what was ugly ...
Niente è brutto ma c'è troppa complessità. Non c'è bisogno di indovinare i dettagli. Ho fornito tre esempi specifici. Le persone possono leggerli o meno. Scusa che non posso scrivere in più lingue.
> MediaWiki is not sexy by design.
MediaWiki è diventato troppo sexy! Ora c'è troppa attenzione sugli ornamenti. Non aggiungere più ornamenti! Rimuovine un po'.
Per quanto riguarda la modifica: ho disattivato la modifica visiva nella mia configurazione. Preferirei una soluzione globale ma superata. =8~|
Per quanto riguarda le skin: non sono necessarie più skin. In Peferences > Aspetto ho selezionato MinervaNeue per rimuovere un po' di disordine. Meglio offrire fogli di stile installabili dall'utente. La discussione sulla mia proposta ha un collegamento in
Per quanto riguarda i popup di anteprima: non necessario. Li ho spenti anche io.
Saluti, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 15:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)


Hi! I saw you contributed to FLOSS-Exchange article and (?) coordination, so I wanted to let you know I of potential channels for discussion and exchange are and Telegram a group with the same name. --Zblace (talk) 08:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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