User talk:Philippe (WMF)/Archive 3

Latest comment: 9 years ago by Amgine in topic <chuckles>

Unanswered questionEdit

Hi Philippe, I would like to know if you may give an answer to this unanswered question of 2 January 2013. Thanks. Yoav (talk) 08:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

January 2013 metrics meeting agenda itemEdit

Hi Philippe, you're mentioned on the agenda but I didn't see your presentation. Did it get skipped? --Pine 23:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(tps) Hi Pine, yes it did. Erik said that it would be shifted to the next one on IRC and at about 53:55. Thehelpfulone 23:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! --Pine 23:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WebCiteEdit – Can you please clarify? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:51, 16 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WMF budgetEdit

Philippe - I have a few questions about the WMF budget if I may, for the Wikipedia book which is nearing completion, except for a chapter about the WMF. This refers, pp 58 and 59 especially. Would you be able to help? If not, is there someone else from the Foundation who could comment? Let me know. Peter Damian (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's hard to say definitively who (if anyone) might be best positioned to answer you, without knowing the nature of the questions. "The budget" is rather a broad topic :-) Philippe (WMF) (talk) 16:53, 23 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Narrowing this down. Pp 58-9 contain some figures about the plan [1]. I can get the numbers for the 'plan' to add up on p.58, namely to $17,558. However the corresponding column on the next page is a mystery. The total is given as $42,070, but I can't make sense of it. If you add the numbers in that column to the total on the previous page, you get $45,179, leaving $3,109 unexplained. Peter Damian (talk) 17:27, 23 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Ed, did you see that some items carry a footnote saying "This is included in the FDC allocation, which is a separate line item. It is not double counted"? Regards, Tbayer (WMF) (talk) 20:27, 23 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks - I did, but it still doesn't make sense. If you eliminate the four items which total $4,459, you are left with a sum total of $40,720, which is different from the stated total of $42,070. Peter Damian (talk) 12:50, 24 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The numbers add up correctly to 42,070 when entered into Google Calculator. It will be difficult to help you without knowing exactly how you arrived at different sums. Regards, Tbayer (WMF) (talk) 19:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oops the reason is I keyed in one of the numbers wrong 1,502 for legal, not 152. My mistake (although the FDC allocation bit was genuinely confusing. Thanks Peter Damian (talk) 19:28, 24 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Philippe. I changed the end dates of two staff members on Meta:Centralnoticeadmin from "indefinite" into "1 July 2013" as that was mentioned on Meta:Administrators before. I know that you probably did this on purpose, but since they can edit in the MediaWiki namespace with this right I think it's important that people only have it when they need it. Why did you fully protect Meta:Centralnoticeadmin btw? I don't think that's needed ... oh and I posted a note on Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat that bureaucrats can now give this right to people who need to manage the CentralNotices instead of giving administrator rights. With regards, Trijnsteltalk 17:38, 24 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Community advocacyEdit

Philippe - again for the book. What is 'community advocacy'? It's not stuff like trademarks, copyright and so on, which I assume is handled by the main part of the legal department. What does your team look at? Grateful for any help. Peter Damian (talk) 09:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(talk page stalker) Hi - you may want to look at slides from February's Metrics and activities meeting where Philippe talked about this, you can see the video on YouTube. Thehelpfulone 14:17, 2 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
thank you mr helpful! that was very helpfulPeter Damian (talk) 11:54, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Meanwhile, having looked here. Three initiatives are referred to 1. "Support our non-English speaking communities, by e.g. translating summaries of critical initiatives to top sites, monitor discussions, and summarize them back". This is clear and self-explanatory 2. "Identify and learn from top Wikimedians worldwide.Figure out who these people are, so that we can learn from them". This is not at all clear. Who are the 'top Wikimedians'? How do you identify one of these? And what did you learn from them? Question: would a top content contributor to one of the Wikipedias count as a top Wikimedian? Have you identified any of these? If so, what did you learn? 3. "Build a small, diplomatic, and multi-lingual team of Community Advocates. Not just translators: they’re familiar with the communities and able to step into difficult situations and give us context". OK so the 3rd of the three activities is to build a team of people to do the first two inititiatives. Of the first two, the inititiative explicitly says 'not just translators', so that seems to rule out the first inititiative. So the team is actually focused on identifying top Wikimedians and learning from them? Peter Damian (talk) 12:02, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Likewise the video repeated the slides, although there was a little more colour on what initiative 3 might be like. Philippe's presentation is around 43:00, by the way. Peter Damian (talk) 13:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Peter - actually, close but not totally accurate. For instance, I don't say that they're not translators - I say that they're not JUST translators. They'll be doing a good deal of translation work, no question. But we want more than passive translators, we want people who are (or can become) experts in the communities that speak the languages they do.
As for the definition of "top Wikipedians", you're exactly right. A top content creator would absolutely be someone we'd pay attention to. We're also looking at those who are influential (in whatever respect) in the communities, in an attempt to learn from them, and to open up lines of communication. We're making a special effort, in other words, to dig past the people who easily communicate with the WMF, and find the ones who are doing work on the projects that DON'T easily and naturally seek us out.
We have done some extremely brief pilot testing into our ability to locate those people, and I'm pleased with what we've found so far. However, because I was delayed on hiring, I am not yet able to confidently say what we have or have not learned. Frankly, it needs more study. I'm just now to the position where I'm about to make an offer to the first member of our team to be hired since the department was announced (excluding Maggie, of course, who came over with me).
So we have three initiatives, yes - 1) hire a team, 2) seek out top Wikipedians, and 3) Support the non-English speaking communities, and learn from them. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 13:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Philippe. I'm a bit miffed I wasn't contacted, for all the work I have done building up Wikipedia's entries on Medieval Philosophy. (Only joking). Peter Damian (talk) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm certain that must be because we're working on the non-English wikis. :-) Couldn't be anything else... Philippe (WMF) (talk) 20:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia humorEdit

I don't know how much sense of humor you have, but I hope you'll enjoy this. Scroll down to the bottom of the quote list to see the quote in a format that's easier to read. --Pine 18:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Global bans RFCEdit

I thought you would like to know that Requests for comment/Global bans has been closed. --Pine 21:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Philippe. I'm still waiting for the verification of the ID of someone. Could you check if it arrived in the secure mailbox? With regards, Trijnsteltalk 23:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not yet - can you email me a username or something, and I'll do a search to see if some weird rule caught it? Philippe (WMF) (talk) 23:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Harassment commentEdit

FYI: Talk:Harassment_policies#A_meta_approach SJ talk 

Re: CentralNoticeEdit

Hello Philippe! Est-ce que vous parlez français? Je demande car vous portez le même nom qu'un de mes amis! Quelle coïcidence.

Just in case only your name is French and not you (!), I'll continue in English. First, thanks a lot for your help and corrections! I clicked on the link you sent me but the banner doesn't show. Is it because it's not 00:00 UTC yet? I hope everything is fine!?

Let me know if you think of something... Benoit Rochon (talk) 21:02, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A requestEdit

May you, as a relatively familiar folk with the situation, please look into this. Cheers. --Gryllida 05:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure, I responded there. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 08:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Talk:Office actions#"Official, formal complaint"Edit

Hello, there's a question for you. :) Thanks, Nemo 14:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, I responded there. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 16:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've replied there by the way, let me know if I didn't answer your question. --Nemo 09:40, 5 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for the pointer, and I apologize for the delay. I've been out of the office. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 09:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Transparent WIKIMEDIA badgeEdit

Hi Philippe, do you know who might advise me regarding a WIKIMEDIA badge version for We are working on a new "portal" page with an image background. The current prototype is template/temp v8 (it's HTML--to view it, under the drop down arrow next to the Search box on that page select "Preview HTML"). Because I have placed the WIKIMEDIA badge on an area of the background image there that is shaded, the standard badge which is for display on light backgrounds jumps off the page a bit more than is desirable there. So, for the prototype I did a version of the badge with a sightly transparent background so that it blends with the prototype's background image and does not jump off the page too much. But it needs fine tuning, and branding approval. I'd like to find an SVG of the WIKIMEDIA badge to work from and to run what I develop by someone who can approve it, as it's a Wikimedia branding issue. Who should I contact? Thanks! --Rogerhc (talk) 04:51, 6 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Roger,
I would start with Jay Walsh... I think he's out of the office for a few days, so James Alexander (User:Jalexander) would probably be able to help you.... I'll ping him. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 04:57, 6 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I love the new draft! It's really very beautiful. I'm happy to help with he branding approval as you tweak it but am still looking for a better svg version of the bad for you. It's one of those things that probably exists somewhere but since it's used only on our sites and only in a relatively similar location god knows where. Hopefully I can find one either tonight or tomorrow. Jalexander (talk) 06:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Continued at User_talk:Jalexander#Transparent_WIKIMEDIA_badge --Rogerhc (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for your help with making things run smoothly today. --Pine 04:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure, I'm happy to help out. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 04:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FYI: policy proposal from stewardsEdit

Hi Philippe. A courtesy to let you know that on behalf of the stewards I have submitted an RFC to the WMF community.

billinghurst sDrewth 14:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, billinghurst. I very much appreciate the notice. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 10:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Aside: PT requestEdit

Dear Philippe - so great to see you in Milan. I regret having to return early thanks to the LHA strike.

I overheard people talking about this pt:wp thread which was only partly resolved. I hear this is still remembered negatively as a sign of non-support; which surprises me b/c I don't think there are very many such explicit public calls for legal aid. (and also b/c the people complaining include, e.g., Teles)

This seems to be a very high-return investment in trust and a 'sense of security'; and a matter of communication more than policy. Plus perhaps payment of a small total amount, across all languages and communities. (e.g., if we allowed spending 5%/year of our "emergency legal support reserve" on reimbursing personal legal expenses incurred by volunteers in such situations.) I'm just sharing this as I came across it, to get it off my mind. While I am always interested in your reflections, there's no need to reply.

Be well, SJ talk  01:03, 21 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi SJ - it was great to see you as well. Thanks for calling this to my attention, I'll make sure that Geoff is aware of it as well. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 08:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Ahh, space-counting :) SJ talk  02:09, 17 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Italian sitenoticeEdit

Hi Philippe, I think it's not relevant if the message is shown in the sitenotice or in a localized central notice, I believe it's the same. The difference is that your central notice is often in use for other reasons (for instance until a couple of days ago there was a banner for Board & FDC elections). So, if you think that our message is not going in conflict with something else, you can transfer it and tell me when I have to remove the sitenotice. The 5 x 1000 banner should be useful for another couple of weeks or maybe three, than it can be removed (until next fiscal year obviously...). Bye --Cotton (talk) 20:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cotton, I'm going to have James set that up and coordinate with you. Thank you! Philippe (WMF) (talk) 20:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I saw my ops from #wikimedia-office and -fundraising were removed. I have no idea when or why, but you are the listed founder on both channels, and given how inactive kibble is, you must have had something to do with this too. I guess it's pointless to ask you, anything resembling courtesy or common decency is getting more and more alien to you. You know, after hosting a dozen office hour sessions in that channel for Hisham and logging the meetings, and generally helping out whichever staff member had their office hour because most didn't know what to do - All as a volunteer - this was a well deserved Thank you. There is such a deep mistrust growing in you or whoever, about anyone that is not staff, and by extension, someone they can't get fired or yell at, that you have to resort to these policy changes and quiet moves to secure whatever it is that you people are trying to protect these days. I hope you remember this. Theo10011 (talk) 16:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Theo, FWIW, I have absolutely no recollection of doing that. I'm not dodging responsibility - but I truly have zero recollection of that, and am not sure I was the person in question. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You, kibble, and Jamesofur are the only 3 who can. Kibble hasn't been online, I'll check either way, but there's not a lot of people this could be pinned on. Maybe it was something so small and meaningless that you forgot? Theo10011 (talk) 18:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't recall doing it either. If it was me, it would've been done a very long time ago and you just must have not noticed until now. Cbrown1023 talk 18:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, here's a simple test. If neither one of you were involved, then restore it. Theo10011 (talk) 18:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, user rights are role based. Are you performing a role that requires them? If so, I'm happy to readd them.  :) But we don't add them simply as hats to be worn. If there's a reason that you need them, I'm more than happy to add them back. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 18:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And here we go again. First, whodunnit, (I guess you don't have to argue about being a trigger man this time) then, Well, it had to be done because its not role based (meaning I'm not staff). Which if you actually think about for a minute, is antithetical to your point about "Hats to be worn" - Really? You hardly show up on any Wikimedia IRC channel, Kibble said he's inactive a dozen times, And between the last 3 people added, there isn't a regular IRC op in there and they prob. have never used them. So, I guess they must be hats, but just for staff. Anyway, unlike removing admins from WMF wiki, I'm not sure what closely guarded secrets you are protecting on IRC, regular ops are added to every other wikimedia channel, the most they can do is just monitor channels which you don't show up in and help. Theo10011 (talk) 19:13, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's really beautiful to see how you twist my words, and turn an offer to do exactly what you requested into a condemnation. And you wonder why I'm not leaping to help out? Philippe (WMF) (talk) 19:21, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah, A tone argument. But let's back this up for a moment - I didn't see an offer for help. If you want a reason - here's a few of them - 1)I am an active op on several Wikimedia channels, 2) I was trustworthy enough to have them for an year when you people actually needed my help 3) You are never around on either of those or any other wikimedia channel 4) The recently added ops don't have a clue how to use them, neither are they ever around, and I'm sure I don't need to point out how many time Ironholds could have been on the receiving end of ops before he became a staff member 5) There is no active Wikimedia op in the channel now, the GC aren't around much either. 6) Most of the staff are clueless about IRC, the last few haven't been moderated by anyone - There are more arguments, but that's not even the main issue, you did this or had it done in such a poor way that it is very disappointing. You won't restore them because I don't have the right hat. You used the right argument, just the other way round. Theo10011 (talk) 19:45, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note- After talking to someone on IRC and personal reflection, I think some of my comments above might have been too extreme for the situation (I toned it down, and apologize for not giving you a proper chance). I was looking to escalate the issue, without even knowing when this was even done - it came as a surprise I guess, and my reaction was knee-jerk. With that said, my objection and criticisms still stand albeit without any acrimonious overtures. I'm still not sure, if I should feel better or worse that no one remembers removing them and not even cared to check or say a thing. Given how many times I did things out of courtesy for you Pb in the last couple of years, this was the least I expected. I have never abused my ops in any channel, and I don't think I've ever had a complaint about my actions. And whatever you may think of me, I helped out the staff in that channel a whole lot, for a long time - without so much as a Thank you. Without resorting to any polemics and trying my best to avoid acrimony, I would appreciate a direct reason for why. I gave a bunch of reasons above why I should have had them, and the fact is that there are no active ops in that channel now. Beyond that, I'm done with this. Theo10011 (talk) 09:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Matthew Walker's temporary adminshipEdit

Hi Philippe, Matt's temporary adminship is set to expire tomorrow, but I see from his recent edits that he still has a use for them. Does his temporary adminship need extending? Also, Siebrand hasn't used the adminship on his staff account for over a year, does he still have a use for the rights? Thehelpfulone 19:25, 1 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi. Please, (re)read documentation pages, at least this two: mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example, mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation administration. Thanks! --Base (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please replyEdit

Please reply. This refers. Peter Damian (talk) 21:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dr. Buckner, I'm out of the office on holiday. I shall look upon my return. But right now, I have a wedding to go to. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 21:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well fine but why didn't you reply to my previous mails? Why can't Michelle reply? Peter Damian (talk) 21:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

this will make it clearEdit

See below. There was an agreement, I would like someone from the Foundation to reply please.

As above, I am on holiday. That's why I'm not replying. Please don't post private emails without permission. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 21:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What about Michelle? Geoff? Arbcom????? All the other emails? I made a promise. Please keep to yours. Peter Damian (talk) 21:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Dr. Buckner, with all due respect, I have a wedding to go to. That will be my priority right now. If you are still unanswered when I return to the office, I will personally do it, but for now, I'm going to a damned wedding.  :) Philippe (WMF) (talk) 21:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To anyone else reading this, I have been waiting for months. I append a copy of the email I sent last month. Please note this was sent by me, and I give permission for it to be published here. Peter Damian (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

< private correspondence removed by Philippe > I wrote this and I already gave permission for it to be made public. Why are you so reluctant for information about your broken promises to be made public? Information about broken promises wants to be free. Peter Damian (talk)

As a matter of precedent, I prefer not to have private correspondence posted publicly. It's a bold line in the sand that I would prefer not to cross. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 21:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Our community"Edit

Quoting you:

The Wikimedia Foundation has been monitoring the Collingwood account for some time, since suspicions were first raised. Using a combination of technical and non-technical data, we are confident (four independent staff members, analyzing independently and sharing their results at the end feel exactly the same way) that Collingwood can not possibly be independent of Poetlister. The Foundation will adamently oppose any local unblock. Poetlister represents a clear danger to our editing community, and we will not allow that. Full technical data will not be shared publicly, for a variety of confidentiality based reasons. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


Was this your edit? What did you mean by 'our editing community'? I thought you were hosting a website? In what sense is the community 'ours' or yours? Peter Damian (talk) 21:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hasty actionsEdit

There's little reason for the bureaucratic response to my nominations for the logo contest, considering that the copyright transfer provisions were in effect the first time around. This obviously stifles community contributions of some of the best work submitted the first time around and makes contributors irritated. Perhaps you would like to ask the original authors to resubmit their logos in the 'correct' manner?

Thank you,  ono  01:42, 14 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Research on Wikimedia Chapters/Affiliates.Edit

Hello Philippe,

I am approaching you as the head of community advocacy and a person pretty involved on the international level. I assume you are pretty busy so redirecting me to a proper person is fine.

I am running a research regarding Wikimedia Chapters, which will have its first presentation during Wikimania 2013. This is a one volunteer endavour so far, partially for WCA, partially to feed my own curiosity. You can see a brief description here.

My goal is to collect and present quantitative data about chapters and the local organizations in the global movement. This is a huge task out of many reasons and I am planning to run it and improve in following years. However, it needs to be started somehow and even in a limited first step It is a lot of work for one person and maybe just too much for one volunteer - this is why I am asking for help.

Presently I am looking for proper published data and I am asking particular chapters for answers - however there are already surveys and documents collected by WMF and probably this should be the best initial source of the knowledge. Could you help me providing me with proper documents or filling the forms - or redirecting me to the best suited person in WMF?

I know it is an extra work but I believe it is worth it. Thanks for your help in advance. Should you have any questions, certainly I will be happy to respond.

Best Regards,
aegis maelstrom δ 23:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Answered via email. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 06:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi! I know you're aware of the situation on the English Wikipedia, but I wanted to make sure you knew that it appears possible that other wikis may be affected, as summarized above. --Rschen7754 08:27, 28 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RfC of interest to you and the WMFEdit

Courtesy notification of the existence of zh:维基百科:强制加密登录 / Requests for comment/Petition of HTTPS default. Snowolf How can I help? 12:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

luri language lrc in iranEdit

hello friend my name is mohammad mogoei and i want to create a luri wikipedia luri language is in iran that belong to lur people in south western of iran i create home page and other pages but unfortunately after this language accepted for iligiblity this vote is given Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them i want to know what reason is for this problem and i can fix it this page is request page for lurish or lori language

and then request for luri language what kind of problem do reqeust for luri language have?

lrc lori (talk) 17:07, 16 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Talk:Legal and Community Advocacy/Legal PoliciesEdit

There is an edit request to obverse page (protected by you), and the discussion is that we should leave this to WMF staff. So I am here to point. :-) — billinghurst sDrewth 23:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done, thank you! Philippe (WMF) (talk) 07:34, 19 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unwillingness to answer questionsEdit

Hi Philippe,

I found this old edit of yours from last year. Some one asked if you agreed whether children should be protected from bullies. You answered " I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish with that question" which struck me as odd. Surely the object of the question was clear enough? The person was trying to get your opinion on whether children should be protected from bullying. You then said "I'm not going to comment on broadly specific statements that could be misinterpreted". I don't know what you mean by 'broadly specific' but it's clear you thought that any statement of yours about bullying could be misinterpreted. Why? Surely you are opposed to bullying? Why couldn't you answer the question?

Meanwhile I am looking for an answer to a question about child protection from legal and from Sue. Why this amazing secrecy in the Foundation? It's weird that an organisation whose watchwords are openness and transparency should be so secretive and so afraid of answering a few moral questions. Peter Damian (talk) 21:17, 8 September 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


[3] 17:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:STeVaN )WMF(Edit

Is this an impersonator doing a bad job or a test by a WMF employee? PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:39, 22 September 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bad impersonator. (Thanks, I've locked the account). Philippe (WMF) (talk) 21:53, 22 September 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What about the answer to those questions?Edit

Hi Philippe I see you are around? What about some answers? Jimmy told me two weeks ago that WMF was the most fantastically transparent organisation in the world and that to deny this would to be out of touch with any reality (or something like that). So am I out of touch with reality? Is the Foundation a truly open and transparent organisation? Thanks Peter Damian (talk) 19:16, 23 September 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here are the questionsEdit

  1. You say that the Terms of Use "prohibit solicitation of personally identifiable information from children for any illegal purpose". How is this monitored? I mean, how do you monitor whether English or other Wikipedia users are soliciting personally identifiable information with that purpose? If you do, how do you determine whether that is the purpose? Surely any such person would deny any such purpose. Do you use behavioural criteria? Is it OK to solicit personally identifiable information without such a purpose, or without the apparent purpose?
  2. This rule applies to the soliciting of ' personally identifiable' information. Does this include email addresses of children when (like many email addresses) they do not containing identifying information other than the email address itself?
  3. I have been using Wikipedia (on and off) for more than 10 years. I never heard of the address. Are there plans to make this more visible to vulnerable users?
  4. You say " If a threat is determined to be credible". How do you determine if it is credible? See my point above about determining whether a user has an 'illegal purpose' or not.
  5. I recently wrote a piece about the importance of protecting whistleblowers. Many people (see the comments) objected that this person was not a whistleblower but a troll. How do you apply the w:Precautionary principle in such cases? The principle dictates there is a doubt about whether child safety is at stake, or whether the whistleblower is a troll, you err on the side of safety. In my country, the gas company will investigate a reported leak, and the fire brigade will turn up to a reported fire, even when there is a strong suspicion that the reports are false. N.B. I discussed the case offline with the whistleblower and he assures me he made every effort to alert the En arbitration committee, but he was ignored.
  6. Again, if it is known that whistleblowing in such borderline cases will lead to a block or a ban (as in this case), how do you mitigate the deterrent effect this will have on other people who have concerns?
  7. I raised concerns about other children who had been contacted by the suspicious user with Arbcom, with Jimmy and with several different departments of the WMF. All the emails were ignored and left strictly unanswered. One of them was to Michelle Paulson. (Geoff was away last week). This was even when I had been advised by the teacher of one of the boys (the only person I was able to contact in this case) to call the UK police.
  8. When I called the British police, they said they could not take action unless they knew the identity of the children. I replied that, because of the 'don’t ask don’t tell' policy of Wikipedia, I did not know the identities of the children. They said they could not investigate without knowing identities, and advised contacting 'Wikipedia'. However (see above) my emails were not replied to. How do you advise reporting this issue, as the police have suggested?

Peter Damian (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Still waitingEdit

Still waiting... Peter Damian (talk) 20:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Identification noticeboardEdit

Hi Philippe,

I have recently changed my username but obviously still appear on the ID noticeboard as my old username: [4]. Here is the link for the account rename log: [5]. Whats the procedure for changing this? Bellerophon (talk) 08:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Bellerophon, I've made the adjustment on the ID noticeboard so you should be set! Thanks for letting us know. Jalexander--WMF 11:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jalexander: Many thanks. Bellerophon (talk) 18:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


A vase with flowers for you, Philippe. You know why. Take care and hope to see you back soon. With love, Trijnsteltalk 14:16, 19 November 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Well, of course no one will ever follow a link. Just sayin'. Also, I may have to check those pages not in Blue skin... where they look at least as awful as everything else with skin-specific layout. - Amgine/meta wikt wnews blog wmf-blog goog news 21:13, 21 November 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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