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Please consider uploading images to the Commons. where they will work in the future if your work is posted on some other WMF wiki. Regardless, there or here, you have to add a tag from Category:License templates to each image you upload, or it may be deleted as a copyright violation, as there is no information on the copyright status. Thanks. Courcelles 23:11, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh I will move my work to commons. There are a lot of plots that are intermediate work. They are really only useful as a log of the things I am working on. I'll bring the final versions to commons when they are ready. :) --EpochFail 00:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Whats the licence for File:Early_survival.by_year_and_rejection.png? Please answer now. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 21:53, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
That image will be used in the english signpost. For now, I will consider it public domain and you change it if you want. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 21:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Oups, wrong image. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 21:57, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Which image then? EpochFail 23:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Your continued help is neededEdit

Hi. Based partly on the research you provided, we are working towards solutions for New Page Patrol coupled with new user retention. These matters are now critical and need urgent attention. I have made a request HERE for a bit more data. Anything you can do to help would be much appreciated. Thanks. --Kudpung 23:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

It looks like you are asking for a table of data between Sept'09-11. What specifically are you hoping to find out? I did some work with the new page patroller workload, but it looks like you commented on the speed of speedy deletions talk page... so I'm unsure. --EpochFail 01:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi. The original table was published at, Sub-section: Speedy deletions. The data is required to demonstrate:

  • Any decline/increase in the creation of new articles in the sample period
  • Any decline/increase in the deletion of new articles in the sample period
  • Deletion of new articles expressed as percentages of creations of new articles, by quarter year over the sample period
  • Data required: All columns in the original table 'Speedy deletions'
  • Sample period: August 2009 through August 2011
  • Sample users: ALL users in the period

Graphs required: For the sample period by quarter year, curves for:

  • New articles created
  • Total CSD deletions

The research at new page patroller workload providfed some interesting discussion that hlped towards identifying areas of concern, but somehow it got interpreted that patrolles are suffering from stress, overload, or burn-out, where nothing of that kind was reported or demonstrated by any research. A user from en.Wiki has prepared performance details on individual patrollers.

I unfortunately know nothing about the technical methods of extraction and extrapolation of data, so anything you, or the person who prepared the original table can do would be much appreciated, I don't need this overnight, but it would be good to be able to report at a meeting this week that something is underway.

Many thanks for you help in advance. Don't hesitate to ask me for any more info that I can provide.You can contact me at en:User talk:Kudpung, or by email at, or by chat live per Skype video at Kudpung1 (time GMT+7, 7 days per week)
--Kudpung 04:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Ahh! Sorry to give you the run-around, but that work was performed by Stuart Geiger (as listed on the page). He performed the analysis over the amount of time between page creation and speedy deletion nomination. I just looked at the number of patrolled pages as a proxy for the workload of individual page patrollers. I think that Steven mistakenly directed you to me because I happened to do a project with "Page patrol" in the title.
When you say that "[the research on page patroller workload] got interpreted that patrolles are suffering from stress [...]" do you mean that you got that from my write-up or discussions on the topic elsewhere? --EpochFail 14:42, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
That assumption came from the discussion at Research talk:Patroller work load, but I think it was already being suggested elsewhere. It may also have come from a comment that Jimbo made about page patrolling way back in 2005 when we only had 800,000 articles in the 'pedia, and the decision then was taken to stop anons creating new articles. --Kudpung 15:41, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm n ot sure that Stuart is even following the discussions here or watching his talk page. --Kudpung 15:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem with File:No science.pngEdit

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I think this page should be in your userspace. but User:AaronH (WMF) already exists. Did you mean to put it in mainspace? PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Woops. Thanks for catching that. --EpochFail (talk) 23:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

You've got a response...Edit

At Request for an account on the Foundation wiki#User:EpochFail. :) The Helpful One 19:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! --EpochFail (talk) 15:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Using information sources...Edit

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wikimedia awardEdit

thanks for your paper submission, but note we are restricted to papers published between jan. 2003 and dec. 2011 - Maybe next year! --Rémi Bachelet (talk) 21:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Woops. Sorry for the trouble! --EpochFail (talk) 22:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Removed! --EpochFail (talk) 22:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit sessionsEdit

This kind of visualization is amazeballs. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 23:44, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

<3 --EpochFail (talk) 23:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


Research:VisualEditor's effect on newly registered editors needs to have its timeline updated again. WhatamIdoing (talk) 10:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I'm working on the analysis right now. As you might expect, the delay in releasing the VE experiment has resulted in a delay in the analysis. --EpochFail (talk) 14:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


I really appreciate of you please read the answers I provided to your questions here Epistemophil (talk) 21:22, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Replied. Please let me know your opinions. Epistemophil (talk) 06:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I tired to answer your concerns. Please check again Epistemophil (talk) 13:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Grant inputEdit

Hello! I wanted to let you know that I've prepared a good portion of the grant over at Grants:IEG/Reimagining WP Mentorship, but I'd really appreciate your review and input as soon as it is convenient for you! Feel free to just make changes, especially in regards to budgeting (unsure of prospective values), additions, and changes in wording. Thanks! --Jackson Peebles (talk) 02:50, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey Jackson Peebles! I'm happy to help out, but I'm currently crunching on writing my thesis. Is it OK if I get back to you next week? --EpochFail (talk) 03:20, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Absolutely! Good luck! --Jackson Peebles (talk) 05:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

L2 translationEdit

Two Brazilian users (HAndrade (WMF) and danilo.mac) asked me to make the L2 pages translatable. Sorry if this could be disruptive. When you do create Research:Labs2/Projects/Preload (like Research:Labs2/Ideas/Preload) or Research:Labs2/Projects/Editintro (like Research:Labs2/Ideas/Editintro), tell me and I will mark it for translation. PiRSquared17 (talk) 02:44, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Will do! --EpochFail (talk) 03:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Is it okay for users to submit ideas/projects in other languages and then translate them, or would you recommend English? PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:21, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the implications of my answer are. I think that it is important that people are able to submit their work even if it isn't in English. I would certainly recommend submitting research project/ideas in English if possible, but I wouldn't want to turn anyone away -- especially if someone is willing to do translation work. --EpochFail (talk) 03:29, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Do you think we should split the venues (this) into a different page? That would make the hackathon page better for translators. PiRSquared17 (talk) 13:51, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes. I think that is a good idea. I'll make a few edits and ping you. --EpochFail (talk) 15:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I can't get to this right away. I'll have to get back to you in a few hours. Sorry for the delay. Thanks for your work on this. :) --EpochFail (talk) 16:33, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

PiRSquared17, I just got an opportunity to sit down with this. I'm not clear on whether you'd like to have this section sub-transcluded or to have a separate page that would be linked from the main page. Could you clairify for me and then I'll get to work? --EpochFail (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm personally fine with either option, but I originally was referring to transcluding a (non-translated) subpage. PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:11, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Awesome. That's pretty easy. I'll get it done right away. --EpochFail (talk) 19:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Ugh. I tried, but then when a new participant tries to add their name to a meetup list, they get redirected back to the transcluded subpage. I'll have to revisit this after thinking of a better option. Sorry for the delay. --EpochFail (talk) 19:22, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Labs2 VandalismEdit

Yo dude,

I just reverted a bunch of vandalism to the meetup page by an IP user. Keep an eye out... Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 18:22, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help Jmorgan (WMF)! I'm out of town and away from decent internet until next the end of the month. I'd really appreciate if you can help me keep an eye out until then. --EpochFail (talk) 14:03, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

The effect of abusefilterEdit

Hello EpochFail!

I'm not familiar wiki abusefilter in english wikipedia but I'm highly involved with this tool at I'm working in some research and tools in order to evaluate and improve abusefilter's use. So, please let me know about your ideas because I'm willing to help discuss this matter. I'm not a programmer but I think HAndrade (WMF) would be glad to help us. Regards!OTAVIO1981 (talk) 13:12, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi OTAVIO1981. Thanks for getting in contact with me. I'm stoked that you would like to work together. I'll only have time to work on this project sporadically. I'll ping you whenever I manage to make an update or hatch a new scheme. Please feel free to do the same.  :) --EpochFail (talk) 14:39, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Please ping me at pt wiki because I don't check meta everyday.OTAVIO1981 (talk) 16:53, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


There are new messages at Research talk:Ideas/Requests for adminship and the retention of long term editors. Kudpung (talk) 09:12, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Replied there. --EpochFail (talk) 15:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid that a TB on Wikipedia is needed to get my attention, otherwise I take a while to reply. What are your thoughts on where to go next? Thanks, Matty.007 (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey! Sorry I figured that anyone who saw the conclusion of the review would have seen my message. I'm out of town this weekend, but I'd like to get organized early next week. You can find me in ##wikimedia-researchconnect as "halfak" most weekdays. --EpochFail (talk) 22:31, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Forgot to ping Matty.007. :) --EpochFail (talk) 22:31, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
OK, I'll have a look on there sometime next week. Thanks, Matty.007 (talk) 08:31, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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The Italian Wikipedia is not quite wellEdit

Hello, Aaron, I'm in serious need of some advice and I hope you can help. I'm getting increasingly alarmed by the statistics of the Italian Wikipedia:

Now, numbers always go up and down, but for many years has been mostly over 2800-3000 active editors per month and April has been the 9th consecutive month with 2600 or less, something last happened in December 2007. Even number of edits, both registered and unregistered, has suddenly collapsed around July 2013. Page views seem stable and there is no obvious indicator of the source of the problem. For a while I've hoped this would only be temporary, but it seems to get worse.

I didn't compare numbers in detail but I don't see such a collapse on other top 10 Wikipedias. There are so many possible suspects, how can we identify the problem? I think swift corrective measures may be needed to avoid a disaster: it's probably the community's responsibility, but I and we have no idea where to start looking. At the cost of looking euro-centric and everything, this is the 7th biggest Wikipedia by traffic and active editors, it can't be ignored. --Nemo 13:54, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey Nemo. Thanks for bringing this to me. I think you're right and that we should look into it. I've created Research:The sudden decline of Italian Wikipedia (kind of ominously named now that I think of it. Feel free to rename if you care.) to capture your problem description and to act as a focus of our work as we start looking into this. In the meantime, can you help me work out a set of hypotheses worth testing? --EpochFail (talk) 14:14, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! I posted on your talk page first because I didn't have hypotheses to propose yet. :) I added to the page the ideas that I came up with so far, but they're all quite hard to translate to actual research/verifiable hypotheses. The easiest thing is probably checking some "standard" stats, which are usually looked only in aggregate, specifically for; if we're lucky a smoking gun pops up. --Nemo 16:09, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

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Reversions and RCOMEdit

Hi Aaron @Halfak (WMF):,

If you are going to revert my changes, I'd really appreciate an explanation from you as to why. All of the facts appear to argue that my edits are actually a description of current practice. Please see [1] for what I've been looking at regarding RCOM, and consider commenting in that thread as well if you care to. Nathan T 01:10, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Nathan:. From my point of view, you made an unwarranted change that was obviously false. I was honestly not sure whether it was vandalism or not. I'd appreciate that, if you'd like to discuss wiki research activities, you do so using the wiki-research-l mailing list -- since that's where we tend to coordinate. Honestly, I find wikimedia-l to be entirely too high traffic to both track and get my work done. --EpochFail (talk) 14:50, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata SQL questionEdit

Hello. I hope I'm asking the right person. I saw your name in Research:Quarry history. Could you tell me, please, where can I find the description of Wikidata tables? I want to do a very reasonable thing: recognize a name of some Wikipedia page from one language in another. For example, the query for en, milk, fr should return "lait", milk in french. Thank you very much in advance, IKhitron (talk) 14:01, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi IKhitron, I'm not that familiar with querying WikiData. But I bet you can find someone who is if you join me on IRC at [ #wikimedia-research]. I'm "halfak". If you let me know when you are there, I'll either look into the querying service with you or help you find someone who knows what's up.  :) --EpochFail (talk) 22:34, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, I'll do this just now. IKhitron (talk) 15:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I've added a work log page, is it fine? Feel free to move it elsewhere or index it in another way or whatever. :) --Nemo 09:49, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes! Woo! I'm stoked to have you join me in the transparent worklog revolution! :) Please feel free to create worklogs as needed. --EpochFail (talk) 17:28, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Programmatic Quarry accessEdit

Hi EpochFail, I see at Research:Quarry#Downloading_a_resultset that you can download the latest data result from a query, but is there a way to programmatically execute the query? What I would like to do is to have a query automatically executed on some periodic basis (probably daily) and copy the data to a Wikipedia page. The programming side of reading and parsing json, then posting it to a Wikipedia page is easy, but the one thing I don't see is a way to execute the query without logging in interactively. Thanks. --B (talk) 11:10, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi B. I don't believe that this is possible yet to do through quarry yet. However you could try querying the LabsDB directly from your script. That's the DB that Quarry has access to. Are you running your script from tool labs? --EpochFail (talk) 12:48, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
What language(s) does the labs site support? I am expert-level in C++ and C#, I know enough php to get by on the rare occasion I have to use it, and know no python at all. My hope was to run it as a C# program from my own computer. I found a C# toolkit called DotNetWikiBot which makes it very simple to do the coding I want. But a possible alternative would be to use something hosted at wmflabs just to run the query and stage it somewhere and then do everything else I want to do in C#. Thanks. --B (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Labs supports whatever language you can compile/run in Ubuntu 14.04. If necessary, you can start up your own VM. If you can connect to a MySQL database and run a query from C++/C#, then I expect you'll have no trouble. --EpochFail (talk) 15:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi EpochFail, Quarry seems to be down ... when I go to I get 502 Bad Gateway. --B (talk) 15:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, I see it's a part of a larger tool server problem. --B (talk) 18:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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As promised I have started the page and focused on filling in info. I was wondering if you could fill in the performance improvements as you, Yuvi and Adam has been making many improvements. I will detail other information (particularly community outreach) tomorrow. -- とある白い猫 chi? 00:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey とある白い猫. I just pushed a bunch of changes to the summary. We will need to trim that back down before posting, but it's nice to outline the parts there. --EpochFail (talk) 14:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
That is great. I will bring in content from the reports tonight. By Tomorrow's meeting we should have a good draft to discuss at this rate. I haven't had a chance to work on the outreach cards we discussed but I will get that done before Friday. -- とある白い猫 chi? 17:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Useranalysis in Wikipedia?Edit

Hi! Braveheart suggested in this Diskusssion, that you may be the right person to ask, when it comes to analysing the user behaviour in Wikipedia. The background is the plan to relaunch the main page of german Wikipedia. And before we start of into the blue, it would be good to know, how and how often our readers use the different elements and sections of the current main page.

Is there already a kind of user analysis in MediaWiki or Wikipedia, which goes beyond just counting pageviews? Is there something like Piwik.

  • If yes: How can we gain access to that? (I already own OTRS-Rights - if that's encessary).
  • If no: Is it possible to integrate something like this, without breaking WMF privacy rules?

Thanks for your support! // Martin Kraft (talk) 13:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Ping Milimetric and Ewulczyn. I'm thinking that we could learn something about click-through rates from the mainpage using the Wikipedia clickstream dataset by correlating relevant pairs with the time at which certain pages were linked from the mainpage. I'm pinging you two in case you have some more thoughts. --EpochFail (talk) 19:13, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
That sounds feasible, EpochFail, the data is all there. You could even look at the pageview api for this data if you don't want to examine referrers and stuff like that. As for piwik, that's not meant for instrumenting any kind of readership except small slices like the iOS app. Milimetric (talk) 19:28, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Here's some notes from discussion in #wikimedia-analytics (I'm "halfak" in IRC)
[12:44:15] <nuria_> halfak: FYI that our instance of piwik is not mean for big projects like wikipedia though, same issues than unique tokens philosophically but also the more concrete blocker that is extremely small scale. I will let milimetric add on I think that is the gist
[12:45:28] <halfak> nuria_, yeah.  I figured that piwik was out, but if you read my proposal, I suggest that we just temporally correlate pageviews of articles when they are featured on the main page. 
[12:45:39] <halfak> I think it could work pretty well. 
[12:45:54] <halfak> There's some methods there that we can borrow from some of nettrom's work. 
[12:46:26] <halfak>
[12:46:43] <halfak> He looked at the effect that featuring an article had on editing patterns. 
[12:46:54] <halfak> Could ask similar questions for viewing patterns. 
[12:47:32] <halfak> I'm thinking that you could use the pageview API to query for the view rates of features pages before and during "featured" status on the mainpage. 
[12:47:46] <halfak> And do breakdowns based on where on the mainpage a particular link if shown. 
[12:48:04] <halfak> It would give you a basic understand of what elements drive traffic.  Clicks are implicit. 
[12:52:42] <nuria_> halfak: ah, yes, that indeed seems doable is "featured" status is on the scale of "days"
[12:53:14] <halfak> nuria_, yeah.  There might be some day-wise overlap, but I think we can work with that either way.
[12:53:20] <nuria_> *seems doable IF "featured" status spans at least a day or more
[12:54:01] <halfak> Signal/noise-wise, we should be able to detect a substantial perturbation even if the featured window is smaller than a day and doesn't overlap with the UTC date
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EpochFail, FYI you're still looking quite aggressive towards other users. --Nemo 17:07, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your note, Nemo_bis. Can you clarify what comments you see as aggressive? --EpochFail (talk) 17:17, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Each and the whole. Nemo 17:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Nemo, that's not very helpful. --EpochFail (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Does [2] that you don't retract your accusations? --Nemo 20:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I still think that the discussions was closed inappropriately. I'm surprised that other meta admins/stewards would tolerate someone so actively involved in a discussion closing it on a major holiday without acknowledging that it had some support. I think I've made that clear and it has not been directly challenged or explained by the closing admin. I think your summary of that discussion was very questionable. Do you really want to debate that yours is more appropriate? --EpochFail (talk) 20:51, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Research:Top edited English Wikipedia articles in 2016Edit

Hi, Aaron!

Can you help to create a Research:Top edited Ukrainian Wikipedia articles in 2016?

I am also very keen to get a Research:Top read Ukrainian Wikipedia articles in 2016. I get this information on a monthly basis via but was unable to find a list for all the year. For 2015 there was

Thank you! --Perohanych (talk) 10:44, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Perohanych, I can help with the top edited. I'll get to work on that and ping again when I've got something. --EpochFail (talk) 16:09, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  Done Perohanych, see Research:Top edited Ukrainian Wikipedia articles in 2016 with results. --EpochFail (talk) 16:40, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, EpochFail! All the best in the New Year! --Perohanych (talk) 18:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

New wiki on ORESEdit

Hi. What's the process for adding a new wiki in ORES? What does it take to train the network?--Strainu (talk) 23:15, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Strainu. See Objective Revision Evaluation Service/Get support.  :) --EpochFail (talk) 14:45, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

ORES & Page CurationEdit

EpochFail, I watched your hour-long video with great interest. Thank you so much for listening equally to my hour-long rant on Skype and bringing me rapidly up to date on ORES and its capabilities and limitations.

Whilst I welcome any form of AI that will help preserve what is now a seriously dwindling public respect for the quality of Wikipedia content, before deploying (or even developing) ORES for Page Curation, we need to establish why the patroller community is largely resistant to adopting the New Pages Feed and its Page Curation Tool as the default process for controlling new intake. The reasons are actually quite clear but on its own admission the Foundation no longer regards addressing them as a priority.

One important way to address this and significantly reduce the fire hose of trash is to educate new users the instant they register, on what they can and cannot insert in the Wikipedia. A proper welcome page has never been developed and a 2011 attempt by Brandon to create one (Article Creation Work Flow) as part of the Page Curation process was thwarted by internal events within the WMF. This was the other half of the Page Curation project which was begun by the Foundation in answer to the community's overwhelming demand for en:WP:ACTRIAL (which in face of an impenetrable backlog might now soon have to become become a reality).

AI is not a panacea - it should assist but not seek to replace the dysfunctional human aspect of the triage of new pages, or be a palliative for the improvement of the parts of the Curation GUI that the Foundation will not prioritise. New Page Patrolling is the only firewall against unwanted new pages, not only is it now a very serious critical issue, but it should be the Foundation's single top priority before anything else of any kind. Kudpung (talk) 01:19, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your participation during the Inspire Campaign focused on outreach to outside knowledge networks from February 2017. I'm interested in hearing your experience during the campaign, so if you're able, I invite you to complete this brief survey to describe how you contributed to the campaign and how you felt about participating. I want to improve how campaigns are run, so let me know if there's something that could be done better for next time.

Please feel free to let me know on my talk page if you have any questions about the campaign or the survey. Thanks! I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 18:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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