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Notification about proposed approval of Malay Wikisource

The language committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikisource Malay . If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --MF-W 09:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I have some consideration about the language code. Back when ms.wikipedia was made (26 October 2002), the language code ms (639-1) was different from the language code ms (639-3:msa) today. At that time, ms was considered single language, but now, it has been designated as macro language. In the request page (permalink), the link provided is SIL:msa, while the Glottolog link msa is incorrect and should have been stan1306. If this ms.wikisource is created, then it means all documents from thirty-six individual language in 3 different countries are eligible to be hosted there, including Indonesian language documents, which has already own its own Wikisource (s:id:), and several projects that wishes their own Wikisource, such as min, and several Malay-macrolanguage projects with their own code, such as Minang and Banjar (min: and bjn:). If this is what the community wanted, then I think it's fine to proceed.

But if they only want to host documents in en:Standard Malay, or Malaysian Malay, then I don't agree that we continue using "ms", but rather "zsm" for Standard Malay (SIL:zsm, Glottolog:zsm/stan1306), or "zlm" for Malay (individual language) (SIL:zlm, Glottolog:zlm/mala1479).

Also see other projects that fall under Category:Malay, which includes many individual languages (and language codes) ✒ Bennylin 11:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for raising this issue. I think for consistency's sake, we would continue to use "ms" for the subdomain, even though it's intended to be a project for "zsm", just like mswiki is a zsm project. See Special_language_codes#Other_distinctions. When (if) project domain renaming finally becomes available, a rename should be considered. --MF-W 11:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Yup. I was looking for that section that I wrote previously. If consistency is what's being sought for instead of doing the correct thing, then I rest my case. ✒ Bennylin 11:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bennylin Actually, there are also some users (e.g. C933103, see here) who treat Indonesian and Malay are same language but separately named due to political issues. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

If this project is approved under ms.ws language code, would that means other languages in this macrolanguage (such as min.ws, and future bjn.ws) doesn't have a chance to be approved in the future? I don't want to see this to become the reason that the Minang and Banjar communities could not have their own Wikisources in the future. ✒ Bennylin 13:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I see no reason why this would prevent those projects. -- MF-W 13:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I object approving the Malay Wikisource using ms, for reasons explained by Bennylin above. The committee has the opportunity now to set a correct standard for Wikimedia projects that are using Malaysian Malay, and not just following consistency for consistency's sake. There is no reason we should stick with the outdated convention and pass the buck into the future while project renaming is still technically not possible; it would be much better to do it now, when we have a chance. I would support its creation under zsm subdomain. Best, dwadieff ✉ 12:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bennylin and David Wadie Fisher-Freberg: (and MF-Warburg),

Thanks a lot for this comment. It raises interesting questions. Since Wikisources mainly transcribe old document as they were (ie. in the orthograph of the time), so I'm guessing a wider code is a good thing (for instance French Wikisource, includes "modern" French but also Middle and Old French, frm and fro as well as dialects and other close languages ; like Walloon or Occitan before they were moved to their own domains ; same for all other Wikisources).

Looking at the incubation, there is a lot of various document ranging from 1371 to 1987 and in various scripts, I'm not sure what exactly is covered by the code "zsm" (or "zlm") but it doesn't really feel appropriate. And it doesn't look like « they only want to host documents in en:Standard Malay ». The best way to know what the community want is to ask them, so I'm pinging top-editors @Helang putih, Hadithfajri, Aviator, Lim Natee, and PeaceSeekers: for clarification.

The situation is also very different from a Wikipedia, which means that consistency with Wikipedia doesn't really make sense (which goes either way about taking the same code or not).

Cheers, VIGNERON * ^discut. 13:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

This particular macrolanguage is used in multiple countries (Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, among others). Then my question for the founding fathers of this project is: does the documents from other countries other than the apparent Malaysia (Malaysian Malay) should/could be included there. For example: documents in Singaporean Malay and Brunei Malay (which has close historical ties with Malaysia). Exclusive for Malaysian Malay (which then, I propose to rename it to zsm), or all-inclusive Malay (which then, probably ms is fine)? For now we can assume that the Malay documents used in what-is-now-Indonesia could be transcribed into Indonesian Wikisource, and Minang documents written in Malay into Minang Wikisource in Incubator.

FWIW, for context, the current scheme of language code ms (WP, WB, Wikt) is not without friction. The fact that many non-Malaysian Malay speakers are unable to contribute there due to the restriction of using Standard (Malaysian) Malay, made the project name incorrect and ought to be revised. But that's for another discussion.

Also, I'm in support of the creation of "Malay Wikisource". I'm only discussing the correct language code. ✒ Bennylin 13:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll discuss this based on my observation in the mswiki community. In the last few years, awareness of the inclusion of Bruneian and Singaporean Malay versions within our system (mswiki) has increased and become more accepted, whilst the policy of "Indonesian variants go to idwiki" pretty much holds; this thing is pretty much a drama in its own few years ago, and I'm not into this too much, but this is as far as what I can say.

For me, it's good to just stick to "ms" code. Whilst many of our works and the community is indeed from Malaysia, the idea of using "Malaysian" Malay (zsm) [and especially in reference to the modern standard version] seems quite restrictive. In fact, as we're starting to look upon to communities outside Malaysia today (e.g., Singapore during Wikimania 2023, and recently, in Medan), it's good for us to reflect our visions on that. PeaceSeekers (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

As one of the proposer to hatch the incubator, i will agree to make it as ms cause most of the document is spread from different kind of era and i think this will be wise for now. Not like Malay Wikipedia that needs to follow the strict guideline for standard Malay, i don't think that malay wikisource will have that problem. On another side, we also have precedent for French wikisource that include all document in france from different era and i think doesn't have a big conflict. The concern also about the fear that minangkabau won't have their own wikisource will be negated cause i think that they already have enough text to be let out from their incubator if they have enough contributor, but it's in another discussion. Agus Damanik (talk) 18:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

But, if it's the worst case that we use three letter's code. I will prefere ZLM, rather than ZSM to maintain clarity that it's malay not standard malay Agus Damanik (talk) 18:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

As one of the proposer to hatch the incubator and contributors to Malay Wikisource. I want to convey that the manuscripts in Malay Wikisource are not only from Malaysia but also from Indonesia, Singapore, and Brunei. This is because we know that Malay manuscripts are not like manuscripts from other regions, which can be easily classified. Examples of Malay manuscripts in Indonesia written in Roman script will be included in id.wikisource.org, while those in Malay Arabic script will be considered to belong to Malay Wikisource. Is this difference also a problem? Because Malay manuscripts are quite widespread in the Nusantara (Southeast Asia). And we know that many Malay manuscripts also come from Indonesia. As an Indonesian who speaks Malay, I disagree with the notion that it is difficult for us to contribute to mswiki. In fact, with this standardization, we can better understand each other. But, can't we use our own dialect of Malay in the mswiki project? Of course, we can. But, for me, there is actually no problem with which language code to use. However, the problem arises: can we include manuscripts that should be in Malay Wikisource as well (Can manuscripts in Malay language above the year 1945 be included in Malay Wikisource? (especially those that are clearly Malay manuscript) "Both in Roman and Arabic Malay script")

Here are some lists of the manuscripts.

Indonesia

https://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=File:Boekoe_Liatkok,_hikaijat_radjah_Negrie_Tjinah.pdf&page=6

https://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=File:Bustan_al-Katibin_li_as-Shibyan_al-Mutaallimin.pdf&page=7

https://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=File:Ikhtisar_Ceritera_Daripada_Raja-raja_di_Negeri_Siam_Or._2011.pdf&page=3

https://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=File:Turjuman_al-Mustafid.pdf&page=5

Brunei

https://wikisource.org/wiki/Pemashhoran_Kemerdekaan_Negara_Brunei_Darussalam

Singapura

https://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=File:Sesuatu_yang_disebutkan_di_dalam_Quran_darihal_kitab_Injil_dan_Taurat.pdf&page=25

So, for me, any language code used is fine. However, if choosing one language code could hinder us. For me, it's good to just stick to "ms" code.

But, if it's the worst case that we use three letter's code. I agree with Agus Damanik prefer ZLM, rather than ZSM to maintain clarity that it's malay not standard malay.

Lim Natee (talk) 19:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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As far as I see it, it seems like test-wiki contributors agree that a project with the language codems.wikisource would be inclusive of all Malay variants, so that the code can be used both in order to be more inclusive and to stay consistent with existing projects. Am I understanding this correctly? --MF-W 12:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I think most of them agree like that. Agus Damanik (talk) 19:03, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Georgian Wikisource

The language committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikisource Georgian. If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Amir! – Mehman 21:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussions

Request for Sylheti Wiktionary Approval

Dear Language Committee members, requesting approval of Incubator:Wt/syl (Sylheti Wiktionary) as our first project (as we have discussed here). It was active from May 2023 but unfortunately, no action was taken to approve it. Instead of Incubating and testing, this active project became permanent in the Wikimedia Incubator due to inactions. I hope the Language Committee will guide us on the journey to https://syl.wiktionary.org. We would also like to request the Wikimedia Language Committee and the Board of Trustees to review the process of the Wikimedia language approval for efficiency.--ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 00:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately all I can tell you is that this is still under discussion. Could you please provide me with data again that would convince me that the nagri script issue you mentioned earlier has been sufficiently addressed? What I can do is pass on information to other committee members about this. --Sotiale (talk) 15:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

There was a discussion in the Wp/syl project about a converter proposed by members of a different language community, which, in my view, has been rejected by our community members. Installing a gadget that is not deemed necessary or is disliked by our community can hinder the progress of the Wikipedia project. This type of assistance through gadgets may be perceived as mockery and is not appreciated by many long-term community members. If there is a genuine need for a converter gadget, it should be installed based on community support and consensus. Forcing the installation of a gadget without clear consensus is not recommended. If the proposal comes from a different community intending to delay or suppress our project, it is a cause for concern.

In contrast, the Wiktionary project operates differently. Sylheti entries are already established in global Wiktionary projects, and various converter templates and modules exist in other language projects for Sylheti. I propose that the language committee open a separate proposal for Sylheti Wiktionary in Langcom, as we aim for this to be our first project. The Wiktionary mechanism is different. Local Sylheti Wiktionary users and global Sylheti language contributors come from diverse backgrounds. Any discussions about different projects should not imply issues for this Wiktionary project. If there is anything specific related to Wt/syl project, that can be raised in the Sylheti Wiktionary Village Pump to discuss with the associated community. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 23:03, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Wp/syl, your answer raises some concerns. The point made in the langcom discussion at the time was that there were reports that most sylheti used the Bengali alphabet, and that the current script may not be accessible to the majority. Either there must be evidence to prove this is not true, or there must be a solution to solve the accessibility issue. Your response simply shows that your community has rejected the solution. --Sotiale (talk) 03:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion: Public API, keyboards, and converters are available, so it is not inaccessible. For community opinion: you may discuss it with Wp/syl project and associated community at Sylheti Wikipedia Village Pump. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 07:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

For Wiktionary, a converter module is available Module:syl-translit (Q47459744) in Wikimedia, developed by different users for different projects.--ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 07:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

The answer I need is a proper response to 'most sylheti used the Bengali alphabet'. If they can't read the current script, and any converter isn't provided onwiki anyway(by default, it should be a script used by the majority of speakers of the language, if exceptions are made to this), then it's not accessible. What is needed is not a discussion with me, but for you to persuade langcom with a convincing explanation and provide langcom with persuasive data. This may be something that can be proven or confirmed with data without discussion. --Sotiale (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

It is an exaggerated claim, doesn't based on any reliable source. I can leave it with Langcom to verify the claim with reliable sources. I can not verify that claim from Ethnologue. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 20:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC). In respect to the Test project users, this is not the case. A user (User:Monz~incubatorwiki) initially started with Latin script in 2014, but later the community moved on to their native writing.--ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 20:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources. That will help the discussion. If they had tried the Latin script, which is not really used by most sylheti, the situation would have been the same as it is now. --Sotiale (talk) 02:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

They didn't try the non-Sylheti systems; here is their proposal. Perhaps unintended, Latin is 'arguably the most used script,' but it is mostly informally used. May be this article explain it better. You may find examples of Sylheti transliterated texts in Brahmic scripts (Deva., Beng.) here. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 19:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, so.. I would like to ask you again. Please give me a proper answer to 'most sylheti used the Bengali alphabet'. I do not believe that historical accounts of whether it first began or was attempted in Latin script are of adequate assistance in resolving the current question of approval. As you probably know, the questions I've been asking so far have been designed to help you eliminate obstacles to getting your project approved. If you don't provide me with a reliable source for this, I will let other members of langcom review the results so far. --Sotiale (talk) 11:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts. But the question is not reliable. However you should ask this question to the emailer to give reliable sources for his query. As far as Wikimedia Incubator test projects are concern I do not have any sample. It would be better if the Langcom runs a test project at incubator:Wp/syl-beng and if any community of users forms than go for verification. Than if any linguist verify that the non Sylheti alphabet satisfy the orthographic requirement than you can say something. Otherwise it seems like out of our project scope. I can not give any feedback without sample, test project, reliable sources, nothing is attached with the query of the emailer. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 01:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

It seems like there is some misunderstanding in this conversation. It does not seems to me that Sylheti Wiktionary project is under discussion in Langcom. I regularly raise this proposal based on activities in the Wikimedia Incubator. Sylheti Wiktionary project is (active) now for the 10th month. Langcom may compare this project with other project of this language group: Wt/as (inactive), Wt/ctg (inactive). --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 08:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Sylheti Wiktionary related discussion: 2023 archive/First project (summary: we got half a dozen active projects, so we need to have strongest project as first project that can support or promote other projects). —ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 06:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Approval Request for Arbëresh Wikipedia (Wp/aae)

Dear Language committee,

As the Arbëresh Wikipedia administrator, I kindly request an approval of our project. We contributed regularly since March 2022 and at the moment we have 325 articles (including the 100 most important ones).

These last 10 months we were simultaneously occupied with a Wikitongues project for which we received a grant. We created a card game with 50 word cards for children, which we linked via QR codes to their respective Wikipedia articles using this link type: aae.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARTICLE_NAME. But since our project is not live yet, the links do not work. So in order to distribute the cards and promote the Arbëresh Wikipedia in the villages, we need an approved project (or at least working links).

I am happy to discuss details and questions. Best! Ftillimi (talk) 15:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your efforts. I have looked into your project and there is not enough activity yet, and I have doubts about the sustainability of the community. For example, in January, you are the only one who has had enough activity. Therefore, I hope that your community shows enough activity and sustainability. Thanks! --Sotiale (talk) 03:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ftillimi and Sotiale: Anyway, the eligibility of Arbëresh is also a question to be resolved, as it is one member of macrolanguage Albanian (check here if doubt). Is there any reason a separate project shall be created instead of directly contributing at sq.wikipedia? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 Albanian and Arbëresh have a low degree of mutual intelligibility. Arbëresh has a language code and the community wants a Wikipedia. There is no "question" to be resolved.

@Sotiale Can you give us please a quantity of articles that would satisfy the condition to call us active? We spent a lot of time aswell to translate the interface to Arbëresh, that's why on the statistics we show up as less active. Ftillimi (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Although it is not possible to speak about any fixed standards, the standard generally considered is that sustainability can be proven by having 3 or more editors working for more than a few months, and the amount of pages can also be considered along with sustainability. Currently, your project is almost entirely yours alone and sometimes disconnected. For this reason, it was evaluated as having low sustainability. Recently approved projects involve 3 or more people working for nearly 6 months, or even in those situations, they exceed 1000 pages. This would be a very sufficient standard for approval, exceeding the minimum standard. --Sotiale (talk) 06:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ftillimi And, how do you explain Fenikals' objection on your RFL page that "Albanian diaspora dialect, not a separate language"? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Does it need an explanation? Arbëresh is included in the Albanian macrolanguage. Surely the assumption is that the separation at the language level is correct unless there's real evidence otherwise.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Prosfilaes If this is true, then why are you supporting Arabic dialects for having their own Wikipedias? Why can't they just contribute just one Arabic Wikipedia? And at same time, why are you opposing Low German dialects for having too? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Huh? Arbëresh is considered an independent language in ISO-639, just like the various Arabic languages. You'd have to link to the request for the Low German dialect in question but apparently I thought there was enough evidence it wasn't distinct. In Arbëresh's case, the fact that there was separation starting 500 years ago (as per the Wikipedia page) makes a claim that it's a separate language seem very reasonable.--Prosfilaes (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@Prosfilaes Then what's the purpose of ar:? A fake website just typed some Arabic letters? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 The project ar.wikipedia.org is actually using the language with the 3-letter code 'arb', which is known as Modern Standard Arabic, or Fusha. 'ar' is a macro language, covering a group of languages including 'arb' as well as all the other variants such as 'apc' (Levantine Arabic) and 'arz' (Egyptian Arabic), etc... I think it was a mistake to allow the projects use macro-language codes, but it is too late to fix it. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Request for verification of Sylheti Wikivoyage

Dear Language Committee members, requesting verification of Incubator:Wy/syl (Sylheti Wikivoyage). There is a common misunderstanding among those unfamiliar with the process who mistakenly believe that this project is not open for contributions. It is one of the most active Wikivoyage project of the Wikimedia Incubator, currently featured on the main page. Requesting verification and we hope soon we will see the project on its own domain (https://syl.wikivoyage.org) based on its own merit.--ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 04:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Could you explain who is of the mistaken belief "that this project is not open for contributions"? --MF-W 09:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

In Wikimedia, there are many users who are not familiar with the Incubator. A few months ago, one of our community members asked where to start a new Wiki project in a different project. The process is not very smooth. In the Sylheti Wikivoyage's history, we have many registered users but not many unregistered users. Generally, if the verification step is unnecessary and Langcom members are reluctant to perform it, I propose its removal from the proposal template. If it remains, it's better to clarify it so that users unfamiliar with Wikimedia Incubator, LPP, and new language projects do not become confused. —ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 02:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Request for continuation of approval Wikisource Malay

Dear Language Committee, it has been five months that the community has been actively engaging in proofreading on Wikisource Malay. We kindly request your review of this project and hope that the Committee can approve it soon cause i don't got any news after my las request Agus Damanik (talk) 07:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Agus Damanik, good news! See now the section #Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Malay_Wikisource. Especially the translations of the namespaces into Malay would be needed. --MF-W 09:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Approval Request for Mooré Wikipedia

Hello,

I wish to follow up on the approval request for Mooré Wikipedia, which was submitted on July 12, 2023. Here is the request page:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Mooré. Please let me know if you have questions. Shahadusadik (talk) 12:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Shahadusadik, I believe it will be approved if there are no language issues. Regarding this language, can you recommend any linguists or experts who are not involved in your incubator project? Please send me an email with their affiliation, email address, and name; not here or public wiki pages. Thanks! --MF-W 09:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Email sent! Thanks Shahadusadik (talk) 23:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

If Langcom approves this, please do take note of my comments at Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Mooré#Comments about the interwiki conflicting with a pseudo-namespace on the English Wikipedia. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 02:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I saw that. What will be the way forward? Should spark a discussion about this on telegram? Shahadusadik (talk) 21:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I think this is a problem for developers/sysadmins to solve. We (Langcom) will simply request the wiki to be created. Pseudo-namespaces have been "removed" in the past when they conflicted with a new language code. --MF-W 22:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

None as popular as this one, though. Whatever. I'll make my case on Phabricator when the wiki actually is about to be approved. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 23:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Request for Wikipedia Mandailing

Hello, I'm requesting approval for Wikipedia Mandailing. The project already has close to 2000 pages, and has been the past 7+ months. Thank you. ✒ Bennylin 11:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bennylin: Hi, Bennylin. There is something I would like to ask of you to facilitate the approval processes. Regarding this language, can you recommend any linguists or experts who are not involved in Mandailing incubator project? Please send me an email with their affiliation, email address, and name; not here or public wiki pages. --Sotiale (talk) 12:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

what for? didn't you guys already contacted linguist or something for Wiktionary Mandailing's approval? This is not the first Wikimedia project in Mandailing ✒ Bennylin 13:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I will ask someone first. He's considered an expert on Mandailing, and afaik he's not a contributor yet. What's the process to recommend someone? Do I send you an email or something? ✒ Bennylin 03:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bennylin: Ah, I was mistaken. I didn't remember if this wikt was approved first. Then there is no need for a separate recommendation process. --Sotiale (talk) 10:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

So many things came at me at once that I mistook it for another project. I appreciate your efforts for finding the expert. --Sotiale (talk) 10:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Consider revoking the "verified as eligible" status for these two requests?

• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ter Sami
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Votic

By reviewing their deletion requests, there are probably some good reasons that the eligibility of both requests are being contested, both are having scowiki-like faux articles before deleted, having fake grammars and cited with unreliable sources, of which some sources are from fraud sites. There are also off-wiki points that both eligibility status are granted by bribes, although I can't see if there are enough evidences to support. Based on the above situations, I'm afraid that both eligibilities shall be re-contested as both are re-controversial now. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

"verified as eligible" means that the language is theoretically eligible to get a project if the test wiki is developed enough. It has nothing to do with the content of the test wiki. And at least for Ter Sami the bribery accusation is clearly bogus - looking at SJ81's edits and mails on the langcom list from around that time reveals they were going through all old requests and processing them. Votic is long enough ago that the records aren't publicly available, but I suspect its bogus too. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 04:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pppery Let @Yupik: tell you why that status is in wrong position:

“ the language doesn't even have an orthography, so there is no possibility of contributing even if those two wanted to. ”

Ter Sami has only 2 L1 speakers as per Ethnologue's survey, and many Incubator contributors confirmed that Tamara Ustinova, one of the former "active contributors" of both projects, isn't one, but rather another pro-scowiki behavior maker. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter if the eligibility is removed or not. I asked Yupik on that Incubator deletion request about maybe starting a Langcom discussion (for one of the languages), but she hasn't done so. With page creation on Incubator being prevented, the risk of a new Wikipedia with questionable content being created is zero. And what's this nonsense about "granted by bribes"? Do you really think my comment on the Votic request "The language is eligible; for the approval it will be necessary to prove that the content on Incubator is written in true Votic, of course." was bought? It seems like the cheque never arrived. I hope you can badger the bribers for me about it. --MF-W 09:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

About approval of central Kanuri Wikipedia

It's been a while since we made a request on meta, we have been active since then, creating and editing articles we have answered questions about the varieties of the kanuri, but we are yet to get any proper response from the Langcom. so what's the future of the central Kanuri Wikipedia? MohammedBama123 (talk) 22:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Request for Chinook Jargon (chinuk wawa) Wikipedia

On the Chinook Jargon Wikipedia (incubator:Wp/chn) We have three active users, 216 articles that are overall bigger and beefier than the articles on most other incubating wikis (a little over a kilobyte on average). Chinook Jargon Wikipedia also has hundreds of edits per month, functional location map templates, a fancy main page, a partially translated interface, a user guide, a degree of quality control, and a fair amount of recognition on Facebook. Chinook Jargon Wikipedia was previously listed as an eligible test wiki, back in 2018.

A decently-sized community of people are trying to bring this 19th-century trade language of the Pacific Northwest back to life, and I'm here to do my part! (See the language's official MetaWiki request page.) POSSUM chowg (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@POSSUM chowg I'm afraid that your post isn't actual seriously, before March, you seems like one of the only two active users for just two months (the another is Jon Gua as I've checked) (fully inactive before this year, for about 2 years), also as per Ethnologue:

“ No known L1 speakers in United States (Wurm et al 1996). A total of 1,000 L2 speakers in both Canada and the United States (Grant 2013). The last L1 speaker died in the mid-1970s. Total users in all countries: none known. ”

Do we have ideas why such language status can also get eligibile status? Maybe this issue above also affects this request? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I never knew that a wiki had to have at least three active users for a certain period of time. Yes, we have only had three active users for the past month, I had thought that that was enough...

So anyway, as a pidgin, even in its heyday back in the 1800's, there were very few L1 speakers... | See this discussion on the chinookjargon.com website, including a word or two from Haruo, the very first editor of CJ Wikipedia POSSUM chowg (talk) 02:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)