Requests for comment/Global ban for Velimir Ivanovic

The following request for comments is closed. The request for comment has been resolved by enacting a global ban.

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Chronic and repetitive instances of death-threatening, harassing and creepy usernames creation cross-wiki, coupled with years-long off & on wiki harassment spanning Telekom Srbija IP addresses and multiple accounts.

1. Velimir Ivanovic (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), globally locked, 2012
2. 212.200.65.94 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate)
3. 178.221.155.78 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate)
4. Kolega2357 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely on sr.wiki for harassment
5. Kolega2357 (alternate) (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate)
6. Kolega2357-Bot (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate)
7. Tvojamamaija (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
8. Obuka za ljigavce na Vikipediji (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
9. Sakupljalište za ljigavce sa Vikipedije (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
10. СТАЉИНИСТА (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
11. СЛАВОЉУБ ТОМАНИЋ ПРЕДСЕДНИК УСТАШКОГ ПОКРЕТА (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), globally locked, July 2022
12. Aleksakurva (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
13. АЛЕКСАНДАР ВУЧИЋ ШЕШЕЉ КУРЧИЋ (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
14. Malo bleja malo smrt policiji (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
15. ЋЕЛАВИ МАЈМУМ (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
16. Filipović Zoran prodaje heroin (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
17. Koljem po Vikipediji (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
18. Kako je lepo biti glup (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
19. Poglavnik Vikimedija Srbije (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
20. Uhapšen narkoman sa Vikipedije iz Bloka 45 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
21. Narkomani na WikiLive konferenciji (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
22. Heroin na WIkiLive 2022 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
23. 卐123卐 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
24. ДЕДА КАРА (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
25. Novak Watchmen 2 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
26. Napušite mi se svi kurca (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate), blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
27. Marko Lilić 2 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate) , blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki
28. Goran Heroin (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate) , blocked indefinitely cross-wiki/sr.wiki

Vs⁶₅⁰⁷ 11:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

The connection between these accounts is unclear, especially to Kolega2357, who is only blocked on one project. This request doesn't have nearly enough information for uninvolved users to make an informed decision. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 01:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

All the information can be verified as Velimir Ivanovic (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate) is a globally locked account from 2012. His confirmed additional account is Kolega2357 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate). He wasn't making edits from the account Kolega2357 intentionally to avoid checkuser retention of six months. The terms, names and usernames mentioned on this list represent the words of choice, vocabulary used only by him. СЛАВОЉУБ ТОМАНИЋ ПРЕДСЕДНИК УСТАШКОГ ПОКРЕТА (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate) is globally locked, too. He very often pings other users by bizarre insults cross-wiki via his Telekom Srbija IP addresses by the words of choice, vocabulary used only by him (which is confirmed by the checkuser analysis). One such instance of account creation Koljem po Vikipediji (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate) translates as follows: "I slaughter Wikipedia editors", which represents an evident violation of the Terms of Service. Other such comments in user cration logs as well as edits by his IPs, insults and threats to numerous Wikipedia editors, are obviously linked to his unique modus operandi. The editor has a long history of harassing people cross-wiki, by his insults pointed towards multiple contributors. Words such as ljigavac and others. All of this is verified. Additionally, was banned indefinitely from attending WikiLive meetings for violating Safe Space policy for harassing a member. It is a blatant and evident. All the evidence on-wiki will be presented soon, on this page. All the evidence of private nature will be shared to you, privately. The abuse case linked to this person is apparent. Vs⁶₅⁰⁷ 07:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Evidence

Quote by Kolega2357

• "Više ne želim da se vraćam na stari nalog Velimir Ivanovic. Sa ovim nalogom sam lepo počeo da radim. Želim sa svima da imam normalnu komunikaciju, veoma mi je žao zbog svega lošeg i one svađe sa korisnikom Soundwaweserb(On je OK korisnik) zbog koje sam bio blokiran više se to neće ponoviti obećavam. Ne tražim nikakve statuse ovde na Vikipediji"

Google Translate: "I no longer want to go back to the old Velimir Ivanovic account. With this order, I started working nicely. I want to have normal communication with everyone, I'm very sorry for everything bad and that fight with the user Soundwaweserb (He's an OK user) because of which I was blocked, it won't happen again, I promise. I'm not looking for any statuses here on Wikipedia"

Source: 1

July, 2022

July, 31, 2022

1. 212.200.181.108 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • CentralAuth • AllContribs • checkuser • investigate)

– Cross-wiki vandalism by global lock evasion, including:

• 1, 2, 3, 4 – Vs⁶₅⁰⁷ 13:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Checkuser analyses

1. Velimir Ivanovic - Kolega2357 link
2. 2021 batches of accounts

 Confirmed(global) СПЛИТ ДЕО ВЕЛИКЕ СРБИЈЕ, УСТАШКА ПОЛИЦИЈА У ЗАГРЕБУ, ВЕЛИКА СРБИЈА, МИНИСТАРСТВО УСТАШКЕ ПОЛИЦИЈЕ У СПЛИТУ, СЛАВОЉУБ ТОМАНИЋ НАЈВЕЋИ УСТАША ИЗ ОБРЕНОВЦА, ПРАВОСЛАВНИ УСТАША, ЛЕПО УПАКОВАНИ ЉИГАВЦИ ИЗ ВИКИМЕДИЈА СРБИЈЕ, ЛЕПО УПАКОВАНА ГОВНА НА ВИКИПЕДИЈИ

--Sotiale (talk) 14:26, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

— Sotiale, МИНИСТАРСТВО УСТАШКЕ ПОЛИЦИЈЕ У СПЛИТУ@hr.wikipedia

Vs⁶₅⁰⁷ 05:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Sock lists

Just adding this and this list of accounts (not all of the latter are currently locked) created by this abuser as further on-wiki evidence ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:35, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support * Pppery * _{it has begun} 15:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
• Why is a global ban preferable over the current global locks? Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 18:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

  Primarily, because this person has violated the Terms of Use and Privacy policy (4. Refraining from Certain Activities - Harassing and Abusing Others; Violating the Privacy of Others; Engaging in False Statements, Impersonation, or Fraud; Misusing Our Services for Other Illegal Purposes (threats of death and/or harm); 8. DMCA Compliance - posting links to copyrighted material on sr.wiki and other projects.

Multiple editors are feeling unsafe by his behavior. It is pursuant to our policies for a ban. Vs⁶₅⁰⁷ 18:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@VS6507 Note that per global ban policy, the user must be notified on all projects that they contributed, I'm currently notifying. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Done Notified on all but xalwiki, when trying on xalwiki, I got a warning box and hence unsuccessful: Данное действие было автоматически определено как вредоносное, и потому запрещено. Если вы уверены, что это конструктивная правка, пожалуйста, обратитесь к администратору и расскажите, что вы собирались сделать. Краткое описание сработавшего фильтра: LTA. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:21, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: on xalwiki an abusefilter blocked your edit. SummerKrut (talk) 05:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

•  Strong support Considering that the same editor targeted me several times (some insults, not that creative), even though I did not participate in his demise nor had prior intereactions with him, it seems to me that he enjoys his little keybord-dark-room-Joker-wannabe role. All things considered, I fully support the propposed course of action. — Sadko (words are wind) 21:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
• If we could establish a relation to Kolega2357 beyond handwaving I would support based on the behavior of that account alone, but I don't see any documentation here. --Rschen7754 03:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm certainly not endorsing death threats, however I'm also not seeing enough connections between them and the named account. --Rschen7754 19:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
    •  Support I've gone back through some notes and old emails and I think that Velimir Ivanovic = Kolega2357 is a reasonable conclusion. User:Snowolf/Velimir Ivanovic has some background information that is a bit dated. There was also this block by WMF for making 20 million edits (!) on shwiki (clearly a violation of ToU), also [1]. What is also concerning is that this user has done manipulation in all the rights requests in the above page, as well as still having admin rights on test.wikidata.org. Also phab:T63380. Also some other concerning stuff that I can't comment about. I do apologize for my earlier comments, clearly my memory has failed me. --Rschen7754 06:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

      For clarification, though this is mentioned in the linked message, the ToU violation is not the number of edits per se but their content, which was exclusively whitespace changes. ~~~~
      User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 21:59, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Making death treats to other contributors is unacceptable. Realistically however, since the user has a history of registering many different accounts, which effect is a global ban expected to have? A block or ban works best as a clear message from the community that a red line has been crossed, but this individual is without a doubt already very much aware of that. ArticCynda (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC).
•  Support Death threats? That alone is enough for me to support a global ban. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 12:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support But rather, I would love to apply for a WMF global ban instead of RFC ban if "Neo-Nazi threats" are really happened by em. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  @Liuxinyu970226 excellent point. This is something that WMF should have done much earlier and faster, not to waste time and focus from community. --Zblace (talk) 07:27, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

•  Support Death threats are serious, A user who is involved in such acts disturb the collaborative environment. Even if the user is a content creator, such acts should be taken seriously. 511KeV (talk) 06:27, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support No evidence on activity on oc.wikipedia, but I have read enough elsewhere (yes, I understand a bit BSCM) to support this global ban. Death threats are unacceptable. --Jfblanc (talk) 07:47, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Joetaras (talk) 07:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support This person has been a real hassle on the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia (SH) for a very long time. I've conversed with an admin there who has been on the project for much longer than me, and it seems that Kolega2357 indeed is Velimir Ivanovic. Kolega2357 has an early record of "serious privacy violations, attempts to hack accounts, reveal identities, questionable and disturbing emails" - a ban can be established on this fact alone. Kolega2357 has later, however, done a lot of constructive edits on SH Wikipedia and was granted the interface admin role 2 months before he went inactive in October 2019 (he could abuse these powers if he wanted to harm the SH project). I don't know what's his story with SR Wikipedia (where he has actually been banned), but these vulgar accounts have been attacking Sadko, an editor who's most active on SR Wikipedia, on SH Wikipedia for whatever reason. There is enough evidence that Kolega2357/Velimir Ivanovic is related to all other accounts, and they really should be blocked asap. -Vipz (talk) 15:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Chelin (talk) 16:07, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support Another intimidation attempt. Vs⁶₅⁰⁷ 21:21, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Weak support I'm not an administrator, but this user is definitely inactive, and this kind of attitude must surely be prevented --Ciaurlec (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

  The master account might be inactive, but the abuse conducted by this person is very much ongoing. ~~~~
  User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:00, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

•  Support --A.Savin (talk) 12:55, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Strong support for all accounts AlPaD (talk) 13:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

  Indeed the global ban procedure fully affects a user, not just specific accounts of them. There are certainly hundreds of other accounts with similarly abusive usernames created by this person, most of them locked and some of also hidden by the stewards. ~~~~
  User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

•  Strong support --Novak Watchmen (talk) 20:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support formalizing this with a global ban. Legoktm (talk) 22:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support: Apart from the extensive on-wiki harassment demonstrated by the list of accounts above, this has also been continued off-wiki on various of the Wikimedia-related Discord servers. ~~~~
  User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:13, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Strong support Definently. Kizule (talk) 05:44, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support Nothing to add really--reNVoy (user talk) 11:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support Death threats are unacceptable. Thingofme (talk) 15:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Strong support Death threats are unacceptable, and it is an absolute sin if you don't show remorse for your actions. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Strong support — Long-time lock evasion, on-wiki and off-wiki harassment, stalking and sending threatening messages are types of behavior that cannot be tolerated. As a blocking administrator on sr.WP, I’d like to mention that the account Kolega2357 is a sockpuppet of glocked Velimir Ivanovic. Velimir Ivanovic was initially indefblocked on sr.WP for harassment and maltreatment, and later on en.WP for email harassment. He’s well known for his sockpuppetry. Hr.WP has a list of his first sock puppets. Account Oliver Nedeljkovic, one of his socks, was also glocked in 2012. The connection between Kolega2357 and Velimir Ivanovic was even officially confirmed in the CU investigation on Meta. Interestingly, Kolega2357 was already blocked for ToU violations in 2016. Also, Wikimedia Serbia banned him from attending Wikipedian meetings for violating the Friendly space policy in February 2020. Death threats were the peak of his obstruction, but Kolega2357 continued his activities by disrupting the Wikimedia-related Discord servers. Based on all this, I believe a global ban is the only way to prevent further abuse. — Aca (talk) 15:35, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support it's time to end this for once. SummerKrut (talk) 18:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Флаттершай (talk) 18:53, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Strong support Croxyz (talk) 23:08, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Strong support the user has been harassing srwiki community for a while now. --FiliP ██ 21:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support support, wiki and off-wiki spam from this user. --MareBG (talk) 22:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Soundwaweserb (talk) 22:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support - good riddance. --Daniuu (talk) 16:08, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support. -- Jeff G. ツ (please ping or talk to me) 03:06, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Strong support I have personally been harassed by this editor numerous times, and I look forward to editing in peace once again. —Ivi104 10:58, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support ImStevan (talk) 22:49, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support I recall having a few iteractions with the user (ex.), but only for giving him help he asked for. If by chance my hints were misused for harrassing anybody, please accept my apology. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 16:08, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Arnel (talk) 21:42, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support - Death threats alone should be enough for a global ban. Good riddance. –Davey2010^Talk 17:19, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Support -- The user has been harassing other users for a long period of time, and I believe that this should be resolved as soon as possible Vilena66 (talk) 06:41, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
•  Strong support due to death threats, harassment, maltreatment, violations of the Terms of Use and the Privacy Policies of multiple wikis etc. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 09:35, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
•  Support per proposal. Lock evasion, harassment & threats are serious enough grounds for global ban. Meiræ 20:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
•  Support: while I doubt it would do anything, since the user seems to be also harassing people off-wiki, I still support it nonetheless. stjn^[ru] 19:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
•  Support Death threats have no place on this project or any other project. --Hunt126 (talk) 19:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Steward note

I initially, wrongly, closed this RfC as a successful global ban. Though Liuxinyu970226 left talk pages for Velimir Ivanovic on the wikis they actively edited, local project public venues were not properly notified. Per the gban policy we are required to inform every wiki where the user has edited; considering the mass automatic edits that this user made, doing so would require leaving messages on the majority of Wikimedia projects (that's hundreds of wikis manually) and would take an inordinate amount of volunteer time. I will do so now for the wikis where the user was an active editor for a period of time, which is the top 11 edited wikis by the Kolega2357 account, including all wikis where the user has made more than 5,000 edits. Best regards, Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 02:24, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Done. I sincerely apologize for my oversight in accepting this request prior to sufficiently verifying the notifications of local communities. This request should run for at least another 2 weeks, as only now are the requirements for a valid discussion met. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 02:42, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. But are there anyting to alter the community opinions on de-trusting the account sets above? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:45, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Since global bans are targeting users, not accounts, the question seems to be misguided. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:01, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Noting that, as the request has run for an additional two weeks with continued unanimous support for a global ban, I've enacted it and closed this RfC. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 21:11, 10 September 2022 (UTC)