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Welcome to the process for finding a new logo for Wiktionary!

Phase 1 of the logo contest has been finished (archive); we have our four finalists! The finalists were determined by taking the logo group with the most votes and eliminating all logo groups which didn't have more than half of that amount. I arranged the various designs from the winning logo groups by similarity; if you disagree with my classification, please say so on the talk page.

In phase 2, which lasted from 22 September until 30 September, there was an opportunity to refine the existing designs and propose new ones which had to be based on the basic design of the finalist logos.

Phase 3 (1 October until 15 October) determined which logo was deemed the best of its group of similar logos.

In phase 4, which lasts from 16 October until 31 October, you can now determine the winning logo! Vote for ONE logo only. Please note that if the winning logo should happen to use Wikimedia colours or have blue as its most prominent colour, those colours will have to be changed afterwards to something which is okay with the Wikimedia Marketing Department.

If you have any questions, suggestions or complaints, please contact me on this page's or my own talk page. Thanks for participating!

—Nightstallion (?) 09:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Overview: Mock ups:

  • Speech bubble
    Speech bubble
  • Tiles
    Tiles
  • Calligraphy
    Calligraphy
  • Translation
    Translation

35px Thumbnails:

Note : we're voting for the logo here. What will be written under it should be the choice of each community. So don't worry : there will be some text under those logos ;). - Darkdadaah 09:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

#A (Speech Bubbles, Magnifying Glasses and More) -- colours will have to be changed to non-Wikimedia colours

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    #7 Combination of proposal 7 and 10
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    The first picture with cleaner shapes

Previews with text (please vote for the logos above, not the previews) :

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    #7 Combination of proposal 7 and 10 + text Wiktionary (en) (DejaVu Serif)
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    #7 Combination of proposal 7 and 10 + text Wiktionnaire (fr) (DejaVu Serif)
  1.   Support --Melancholie 16:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC) -- I support the original proposal (but maybe I would prefer the 2nd one with the cleaner shapes, if the "W" would be a little bit smaller)[reply]
  2. Leftmostcat 18:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3.   Support --Alfakim 21:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Dante, the Wicked 06:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5.   Support - While I think B is better in some ways (like not being 'w'-centric), A has my vote for being the most aesthetically pleasing of all the options. ~ Torgo 06:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  6.   Support　#7--Californiacondor 16:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  7. --Habakuk 11:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  8.   Support --Piolinfax (@es.wikt) 21:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
  9.   Support　- Blauendorn --Blauendorn 09:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  10.   Support Pcu123456789 17:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  11. --Chrislb 21:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  12.   Support Lincher 00:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  13.   Support --Ilario 23:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  14.   Support It's a nice combination of ideas. #2 represents words or speech to me, and #3, the W. This combines them both. --200.44.7.131 03:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  15.   Support --89.52.219.186

#B (Tiles)

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    Proposed "Scrabble-Mah Jong" style logo
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    Japanese version, an example of the design's adaptability for different languages/alphabets
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    Potential "favicon" (used only at small sizes)
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    Potential portal logo

Previews with text (please vote for the logos above, not the previews) :

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    With text (SVG)
  •  
    Russian sample
Note: The final logo will have to be in SVG format, so I've reuploaded the images as SVGs. Smurrayinchester 08:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  1. —Nightstallion (?) 09:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. WebBoy 14:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. User: Xunex 21:02, 15 October 2006
  4.   Support I see this logo as a creative response to the current Wikipedia logo. It also reminds me of Scrabble, which like Wiktionary can be a way of learning new words. This logo is more flexible than options A and C, because a language edition can decide to swap the W for another letter and the logo still retains its identity. The calligraphic W in the other two options can't easily be changed to a U or V or 維 (wéi), so those logos would remain slightly out of place in languages whose translations for "Wiktionary" don't begin with a W. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 03:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5.   Support Murmure : "Wanna play ?" 04:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
  6. Excellent mah jong style Markadet 11:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  7. --Jorgechp 14:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Philbert2.71828 15:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  9. And I want the go style, too :D DarkoNeko 15:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Amalas 16:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  11. very good idea (first image) Dav 59 18:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
  12.   Support — Costas 20:43, 16 Οκτωβρίου 2006 (UTC)
  13. 朝彦 (Asahiko) 01:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  14. I really like #C, but I just think this says dictionary much much better. People will 'get' this version. Shenme 02:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  15. While I must admit a certain dissatisfaction with the options, I suppose it's my own damned fault for not getting involved in this earlier. This is certainly the best option. Cerealkiller13 03:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  16.   Support; #A and #C have notice that "colour will be changed". #D is the hardest to understand (I still don't see how the arrow and circle has to do with "dictionary" and "multi-languages") So, #B. Tttrung 07:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  17.   Support The many scrabble tiles were one of my favorites from beginning to end. Grandmasterka 10:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  18. It is a nice idea to not show only some artistical letters like in the other suggestions. It's the only one that shows the main purpose of the web page within the logo. --Sixot 10:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Ninomy 14:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  20.   Support; Vraiment magnifique !
  21. --Frank Schulenburg 17:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  22.   Support - Sdorrance 18:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Support - love it! Regards, --Celestianpower (en, wikt) 20:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  24.   Support - would do the W in bubble, but that looks like a wasted vote right now, and I prefer this to the W alone. --Gray Porpoise 20:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Gurch 22:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  26. Valley2city 22:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC) Nothing like Scrabble to say "Dictionary"[reply]
  27. the wub 23:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  28. --Shizhao 03:12, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  29.   Support --Melkor23 05:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  30. --MichaelFrey 05:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  31. I like the straight-lined geometry of the suggested logo. integer 10:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  32.   Support --Schwallex 18:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I should add that while the basic idea behind logo C (calligraphy of “w”, “ω” and “文”) is noteworthy, I just didn't get the “文” part until it was expressly mentioned here (and “ω” is not very different from “w” anyway, so I didn't get that part, either (>_<)). Chances are, other people wouldn't see it, either.
      Not that I'm saying everyone else is just as st00pid as myself (^_^), but I do think logo B drives that particular point home much more clearly, in addition to being “a creative response to the current Wikipedia logo”, as it has been mentioned earlier.
      Plus, the very idea of using scrabble pieces is nothing short of ingenious. In a very weird, yet subtle and very charming way, it mirrors exactly what Wiktionary regulars are doing day in and day out. --Schwallex 22:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  33.   Support --Acf 18:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  34. --alexscho 20:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  35. Actually, I don't find any of the images that good, but the left one is the best on this site. JohannesBuchner
  36.   Support ----Lou 04:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  37. EBOLA rulez 05:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  38. --Paginazero - Ø 07:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  39. --Bertrand GRONDIN 07:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  40.   Support --VPliousnine 07:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  41.   Support --Chuck SMITH 09:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  42.   Support --Amir E. Aharoni 11:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  43.   Support --207.174.249.2 15:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  44. Achates 15:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  45.   Support --Diligent 15:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  46.   Support --Icarwiz 19:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  47.   Support Smurrayinchester 20:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  48.   Support --201.141.202.170 21:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  49. LtPowers 22:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  50.   Support 138.88.28.159 23:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  51.   Support --JB82 00:41, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  52.   Support FlipDarius 01:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  53.   Support--dirgela 03:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  54.   Support 82.251.57.30 09:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  55. Robin Stocker 12:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  56.   Support -- marilyn.hanson 12:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
  57. Fede_Reghe 13:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
  58.   Support: pretty, clear, modulable and declinable LT-P 14:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  59.   Support  IvanLanin ♫ 14:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  60.   Support. I love this design. It's attractive, distinctive, relevant and easily adaptable for different languages. Design "C" isn't bad, but it depends upon its similarity to the Wikimedia logo (much of which would be lost upon changing the colors) and has no obvious connection to a dictionary. —Lifeisunfair (David Levy at the English Wikipedia) 17:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  61.   Support --PabloBD 17:41, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  62.   Support --WilliamKF 23:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  63.   Support--82.56.36.248 04:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  64.   Support I like the versions with multiple tiles, since it indicated the multi-lingual nature of the dictionary. Kerowyn 05:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  65.   Support Daniel (‽) Check out Wikiscope! 11:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  66.   Support Greudin 11:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  67.   Support R2D2! 19:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
  68.   Support DocPlenitude 19:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
  69.   Support SatyrTN 03:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  70.   Support --Malene Thyssen 15:15, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  71.   Support Marcos 16:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  72.   Support Lar 03:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  73.   Support --71.231.203.169 06:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  74.   Support Spike 82 11:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  75.   Support --Anniolek 18:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  76.   Support This one is so flexible and intercultural; i love it <3 --BeJotHaDe 87.122.53.84 18:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  77.   Support Yuval Y 19:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  78.   Support —Scs 01:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  79.   Support I like that it can be adapted to different alphabets and writing systems. --DBlomgren 02:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)User:DBlomgren[reply]
  80. R. S. Shaw 06:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  81.   Support --Alkove 23:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  82.   Support --Kwekubo 17:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  83.   Support --Est! 22:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  84.   Support at Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme's request; see User talk:Mxn#Vandalism and Talk:Wiktionary/logo#Voting problems for the reason I'm adding this one in. Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme, please keep trying, and if it works for you, replace this vote with your own. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 04:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  85.   Support--Kuartas + 06:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  86.   Support-- --Walter 11:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  87. FoX 14:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  88.   Support--Airridi 03:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  89.   Support--Officewallah 17:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  90.   Support--Mion 18:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  91.   Support --Jeffqyzt 22:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  92. Dilaudid 06:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  93.   Support--A1 17:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  94.   Support Realy gives Wikidictionary an international flair. Though maybe the japanise "shi (シ)" should be replaced with the wiki kanji if there is one. Mindofzoo999 03:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  95.   Support Grimlock 09:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  96.   Support Stromdal 17:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  97.   Support IlyaHaykinson 03:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  98.   Support PDD 11:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  99.   Support Delta Tango 15:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  100.   Support. More precisely, oppose A (implies Wikiquote), C (too ambiguous), and D (too abstract). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  101.   Support 199.8.170.8 17:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC) (User:Bob the Wikipedian didn't feel like logging in)[reply]
  102.   Support – 91.4.35.188 18:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  103.   Support - 83.78.140.129 19:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  104.   Support 16@r 21:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC) bonne idée et bien réalisée[reply]
  105.   Support with single tile as icon Bastique 22:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  106.   Support. Bigtop 23:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  107. Support. BenduKiwi - 23:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      Support --Hanlong 06:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC) Too late, vote ended on October 31st, —Pill δ 09:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Do not count this as a vote. I just want to share this with you. A Japanese letter that appears in the "Scrabble-Mah Jong" style logo (the top left) is “シ” (shi) and it shares the same pronunciation with a Japanese word for death. Some traditional (superstitious) people consider it as bad luck.--Californiacondor 03:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Shi" can also mean "market", "poem", "four", or "reverend". シ was probably taken from the fourth character in ウィクショナリー, or Wiktionary in Japanese; and I'd say it must be a really superstitious person to consider this logo as meaning "death". --朝彦 (Asahiko)
Heh, this logo already helped me learn a new word, and it isn't even the logo yet. :^) – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 17:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What stop us from selecting (in each language, ja, zh, ...) a character that "bring more luck"? Tttrung 08:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing. Even if we select this logo, there is still plenty of room for improvement. Aim high. 朝彦 (Asahiko) read carefully. I did not write that "this logo means death."  :) --Californiacondor 14:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Must've misinterpreted... sorry about that. ;-) Well we can always change letters if there is a need. (Or so I hope. For the Wikipedia logo, numerous attempts to correct errors in the logo have not succeeded. [1], [2], [3] etc.) --朝彦 (Asahiko) 12:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose Smurrayinchester is setting himself/herself up for a lot of logo customizations next month. :^) I'd help, but I don't have access to a decent SVG editor at the moment. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 21:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's just a good thing this logo was designed to be easy to change! Smurrayinchester 16:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Smurrayinchester, while I like the text that you've placed below the English and Russian previews of the logo, your SVG reproductions seem a bit off, at least on my monitor. The tiles have an odd tinge of blue towards the top-left, and the Chinese character at the bottom is different than the original (维 wéi). – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 21:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see the blue-ish tinge you speak of, but I'll check the files. As for the chinese character, unfortunately, my SVG editor only allows the Wéi in one font, Arial Unicode, which doesn't match with the other, serif/calligraphic fonts (I've uploaded an example here) Smurrayinchester 23:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The top-left corners seem a bit bluer, but on closer examination it might just be a lack of red and green that's causing it, since the bottom-right corners have more red and gren. (I'm using a Mac LCD screen, by the way.) I don't really have a problem with your choice of Chinese character, but it looks a lot less polished than the one in the PNG version. The strokes are a lot thinner yet barely variable-width, so the character looks like it was penciled in, rather than calligraphically drawn. The top three tiles aren't serif/calligraphic either, but those tiles don't look as striking. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 01:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aha! Problem solved; I imported the Wéi and Shi glyphs from Publisher, so they now look exactly the same as the old ones. Smurrayinchester 10:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It does look blue and somewhat "stale" on my Mac also, and it has been bothering me. Maybe it has something to do with monitor calibration of the system or something like that. Comparing the top left corner of the scrabble piece, DigitalColor Meter says #E9CC9D for the raster, #D1D1A2 for SVG. Maybe you could raise red slightly and lower the blue? --朝彦 (Asahiko) 12:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, I see what you mean. I'm a touch colourblind, so I didn't notice that I'd got the wrong colour balance. I've fixed it, and it does seem a lot richer now. Thanks! Smurrayinchester 12:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Beautiful. Thank you! --朝彦 (Asahiko) 16:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the problem with this logo is that it's impossible to represent all the alphabets. Meithal 20:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's a sampling of different alphabets (similar to that of the Wikipedia globe). Each Wiktionary can feature a character from its language's alphabet on the center tile (regardless of whether that particular alphabet is included in the examples above). Conversely, the "W" logos (which is how designs "A" and "C" would be perceived) cannot be adapted. —Lifeisunfair (David Levy at the English Wikipedia) 21:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just thought about it thanks to some discussion below but... what will be the central letter for the general logo (the one that will be in the central page http://www.wiktionary.org) ? Note that A & C aren't trying to represent alphabets, but the mixing of languages, so the logo would be the same for every project. But what about this one ? - Darkdadaah 16:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point. Perhaps for the main portal, the central letter should be the W (as the main portal is written in English), but with a blue letter rather than a red one (the current Wikt main logo is worse, as it is written completely in English on an international page). Smurrayinchester 16:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but the logo itself should not be changed instead of the subtitle which can be changed, should it ? And the W of the other logo don't only represent the letter but also a human which intervining a something i forgot, and it could be considered like an universal symbol imo. Meithal 19:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I vaguely remember something about "crossed arms". But, like Schwallex said below, a good logo shouldn't need to be accompanied by fine print that explains the symbolism. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 21:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We could make a custom graphic using all nine tiles, but having them all in blue (the W tile will be blue in some of the versions anyways) and leaving the center empty. Or we could display just one animated tile that slowly switches between all nine characters, like some multilingual websites do with the word "Welcome". That would indicate that none of the scripts are more important than the others, which is important for the portal. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 19:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that in each logo, there will always miss hundred "minor" alphabets. It seems to encourage the favoritism for most wide-spreaded alphabets I fear. 213.103.237.251 22:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note that this suggestion is only about the image that should appear in the multilingual portal, not on each site. Hopefully with a slow enough animation, and with enough of a variety of characters (nine or ten should be enough), visitors would get the idea that it's just a sampling. I'm not sure if you've seen the recent McDonald's i'm lovin' it, but the last time I checked, the restaurant's food packaging featured "I love it" in what looks to be many, many different languages. Upon closer inspection, though, it only included a dozen or so languages, repeated over and over again. I'm certainly not advocating that we copy McDonald's, but even with option B, including nine or so scripts won't seem Eurocentric, Americentric, Anglocentric, or even alphabecentric (!), since the author did aim for variety.
Out of the nearly 70 languages listed at the Wiktionary portal, only seven aren't represented by this logo. (And that includes languages that are represented by the top-center tile, since I don't know which script that belongs to. If it's Devanagari, then only five aren't represented.) The Wiktionary portal will always miss a lot of minor languages: you can go to Wiktionary for the complete listing.
 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 03:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is Devanāgarī; श represents the sh- sound in ship (a Voiceless postalveolar fricative). I based my choice of letters by this list; the most common writing systems were Chinese, Devanāgarī, Latin, Arabic, Cyrillic, Japanese, Shahmukhi (which is almost equivalent to Arabic) and Hangul (Korean), with Hebrew and Greek being the only other typefaces supported by my computer. I originally also had Thai in place of Korean, but decided Korean was a more global language (there are very few Thai speaking communities outside Thailand). Smurrayinchester 09:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If this logo is the one accepted, does that mean that every language will get a letter? (example ñ for Spanish (Español), ç for French (Français) and son on) Thats a lot of letters!--200.44.7.131 03:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably up to the individual communities as to whether they want to customize it that much, but I think the original intent was that each script would get a customized logo, so that all the languages that use a Latin-based alphabet get a W or A in the center. Smurrayinchester did say they're willing to do a lot of customizations, though, and every language will get a translated "Wiktionary, the free dictionary" at the bottom. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 18:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still worried about the international logo... I find it too much customizable (but I already said that ^^). Maybe I'll just go to WiktionaryZ instead :P - Darkdadaah 22:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You mean the "Potential portal logo"? That's just one proposal; have you seen my idea right above here? GIFs aren't patented anymore, so we're free to create them. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 00:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm talking about a logo that represents the project and can be used on papers, posters, etc. not only in the Internet. That's why I think the logo should be static. And I don't think that the guys who didn't want the Wikimedia colors tober used, would like an animated logo too ^^' - Darkdadaah 18:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC) (je cherche la petite bête)[reply]
¡Ñ! Rakela 22:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

#C (Calligraphic W) -- colours will have to be changed to non-Wikimedia colours

This is a Calligraphy of Latin lettre "W" & Greek lettre "ω" & Hanzi character "文" (follow link for further explanations).

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    Test Wikimedia colours.
  •  
    Crossing arms.
  •  
    Crossing arms 2.
  •  
    with cleaner shapes
  •  
    Non Wikimedia colours?

Preview with text (please vote for the logos above, not the previews) :

  •  
    Test Wikimedia colours + text Wiktionary (en) (DejaVu Serif).
  1. TZM talk at de.wp 12:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Imoeng 13:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. HappyDog 14:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  4. S. 15:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Risk 17:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Pill δ 17:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  7. XmaX 17:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  8. — Timichal 18:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Rholton 01:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Donarreiskoffer 07:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Suvidu 13:18, 16 October 2006
  12. Metoc 14:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  13. JR 15:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
  14. Crossing arms 2 Kyle_the_hacker 16:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  15. --Wonderfool 16:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Lcarsdata 17:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Shogun 18:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  18. --Taichi - (あ！) 03:33, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Diego UFCG 08:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Crossing arms 2. --Hartz 09:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  21. Michał P. 12:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Crossing arms 1 Tcommbee 14:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  23. More "logo-like" than #B that, in my opinion, is more a scrabble logo than a dictionary one (It is sad though that the colour thing is known only at this phase...). This logo is more about exchanging words in different languages (-> crossing colors) than just listing words. It is also dynamic, not static (like words). I think it is also more original, simpler and easier to remember :P - Darkdadaah 17:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  24. --Conti 17:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Test --Marbot 18:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  26. --SMP (talk page) 18:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  27. --Divol 19:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  28. Mailer Diablo 19:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  29. --Ilario 20:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  30. Trodel 21:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  31. --Sasa Stefanovic 22:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  32. --Tone 22:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  33. Crossing arms 2 Kaldari 22:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  34. Badbilltucker 23:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  35. Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  36. Erik Zachte 00:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  37. Kipmaster 01:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  38. Crossing arms 2. Al Silonov 08:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  39.   Support Jona 13:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  40.   Support Stefan Majewsky 14:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  41. --Emc2 20:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  42.   Support --Rbraunwa 22:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  43. Calavera 22:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  44.   Support the first one. Youngvalter 23:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  45.   Support--BrettR 10:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  46. Liesel 14:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  47.   <STyx 16:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  48.   Support Neutrality 20:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  49.   Support --Tosca 22:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  50.   Support --Dijan 23:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  51.   Support --Exir Kamalabadi 23:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  52.   Support --66.36.158.22 01:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  53.   Support --Tohru 12:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  54.   Support -moyogo 14:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  55.   Support -araear 17:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  56.   Support Quite clear to read as a thumbnail 213.39.136.221 21:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    The single "W" tile also makes a very clear thumbnail. I just added this as an example. —Lifeisunfair (David Levy at the English Wikipedia) 01:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  57. --Olli 21:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  58.   Support - TheDaveRoss 06:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  59.   Support - Lovely... I can't bear the thought of those scrabble pieces :( Bigbluefish 13:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  60.   Support --Hardern 14:38, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  61.   Support -- The less ugly ;-) Stephane8888 16:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  62.   Support -- Simple, smart and sleek. e-Goat 16:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  63.   Support -- simple and beautiful. --Elian 17:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  64.   Support -- I just like it. It should be as present as logo as the Wikipedia-Globe. Stowasser 18:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  65.   Support -- beautiful!
  66.   Support Meithal 20:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC) The previous with scrabble blocs is too exclusive. Some alphabets will always miss.[reply]
  67.   Support Rogilbert. I support the logo with cleaner shapes. 17:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  68.   Support --ExpImp 20:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  69. Erwin85 15:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  70.   Support - Just the best.
  71.   Support - Talam 13:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  72.   Support - best of all --217.245.251.49 13:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  73.   Support --Tassadar 21:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  74.   Support  Support  Support --- ↑Jack↓
  75.   Support - Kevinhksouth 15:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  76.   Support Petr K 23:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  77.   Support Chlewey 23:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  78.   Support Ncik 11:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  79.   Support User todesschnalze (not logged in), 17:43, 28 October 2006
  80. Fonzo 20:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  81.   Support Urhixidur 22:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  82.   Support Rakela 22:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

(In response to Meithal's vote above.) The center tile in option B can always be customized to represent the script that is used on each Wiktionary. So, for example, the Armenian Wiktionary can replace the W with Վ. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 21:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Meithal, I do understand your objection, but I don't quite get your logic. How come you're voting for option C then, in which even more alphabets are missing (in fact, all but three), and in which they'll be missing forever? (As opposed to option B which can be easily customized, as it has been pointed out already). --Schwallex 13:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just to say, IMO a general logo like that should be static, if only for representing the project as a whole (what will the scrabble logo piece be for the multilingual project ? W ?). At least, this logo is homogenous, not trying to represent every alphabets (even the scrabble can't, of course), but representing the mixing of several. Trying to defend my view >< - Darkdadaah 16:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Schwallex, to this logo's defense, it's abstract enough that it doesn't claim to include many languages, since most people will only see it as a "Calligraphic W". I happen to find option B's more descriptive approach (you can tell that Wiktionary has something to do with language) more suitable to the project than this option's abstract approach, but clearly there are people on both sides. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 17:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yepp, that's pretty much exactly what I was saying myself when voting for logo B (see above).
My point here is that logo C does claim to include a few languages — on this very page, in fact.
And I think that at least some people are voting for logo C precisely because of that (“oh, look, it's a calligraphy of several alphabets — now, that's a fine idea”). Which is perfectly fine with me — as long as they notice that all by themselves, without being given any hints.
I think each logo should be judged on its own merits, without being accompanied by any explanation whatsoever. If a logo does mean something to someone, fine, but, we should not coerce people into seeing something they wouldn't see all by themselves. Otherwise, we are going to get biased/forged/unfair results.
--Schwallex 20:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I guess what I'm trying to say is: if you voted for logo C, please hold on a sec and ask yourself: did you vote for it because you got the (admittedly, very fine) idea behind it — or did you vote for it merely because it's a beautifully drawn “W”? And if the latter is the case, then please allow me to ask the somewhat impolite question: just how exactly would/could a “W”, however beautifully drawn, help discriminate the Wiktionary against any of the three gazillion other wikis whose names happen to begin with a “W”?
(Once again, I explicitly apologize if I sound rude, especially if I sound rude to the author of this logo. I most certainly don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings or to directly attack anyone in particular.)
--Schwallex 20:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I was saying that the logo itself doesn't claim to be multilingual; that's what the author or various supporters of the logo have come up with. A good logo for Wiktionary, as you point out, shouldn't be a Rorschach test, no matter how beautiful. Now, about your question, it may just be me, but the tile "favicon" for option B still looks like a beautifully-drawn W. ;^) I think this discussion is getting off-topic, anyhow; we can continue the discussion at the talk page. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 21:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I take your point. (>_<) All three of them, in fact. (^_^)
--Schwallex 21:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

#D (book and translation) -- colours will have to be changed to non-Wikimedia colours

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    #1 by Rei-artur
  1.   Support --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 09:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. —Eyu100 18:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. —--Pepetps 19:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC) "W" discriminates lots of wikiprojects, that aren't in English language.[reply]
  4. 555 19:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5. --WarX 20:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Eölen, 16 October 2006
  7.   Support My future logo is evocative of science fiction and offers the widest scope of semiotical interpretation. --Brutalowesten 12:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  8.   Support --Dossi 14:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Balû 16:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  10. The W variants are not acceptable for languages that do not use Latin scripts. Titoxd(?!?) 18:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Note that A and C are a combination of Latin, Greek, and Chinese characters, and that the tiles in B can be swapped if necessary. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 18:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  11.  — MrDolomite | Talk 20:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  12. because it doesn't require alteration for each language edition. Quiddity 21:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  13.   Support Davodd | Talk 21:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Classic, I like it. Tuf-Kat 02:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  15. --Cyberjunkie 04:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Indech 22:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Shushruth 05:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  18. BlueRbt 08:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Jeroenvrp 15:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Lijealso 19:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  21.   Support EyOne 21:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  22.   Support Frozman 00:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Londenp 11:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Only good! --Giancy @ Meta 15:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  25.   Support - spongefeld 12:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  26.   Support - --Neo139 18:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  27.   Support Szumyk 06:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  28. -- bs (talk) 19:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  29.   Support --ThArGos 12:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  30.   Support -- Beobach972 17:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC) (Beobach972)[reply]

Blank vote

  1.   Support Laurent Bouvier 20:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC) Although that already weeks that we are discussing of new logos, I don't think that any of those will be a major break-through.[reply]
  2.   Support John Harrison Highns 02:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC) I believe these logos aren't really what Wiktionary is looking for. They don't seem to explain anthing about Wiktionary they're just pritty pictures.[reply]
    I'm not sure what you're looking for in a logo, then, but if you'd like the choices to have some symbolism behind them, then options A–C represent the melding or piecing together of many different languages (and by extension, cultures) to form something beautiful. Someone else may have to explain option D, because I still don't get it, except that the > might be an open book, facing to the left. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 05:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    It's supposed to represent a translation, since Wiktionary is multilingual, switching back and forth between languages. Smurrayinchester 12:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3.   Support I want the current logo to stay. It is cool, it explains very well what Wiktionary is, and it is perfectly translatable. Sergei 13:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  4.   Support Somehow, there's just not a logo I'm wild for, like Wikiversity.--HereToHelp (talk) 01:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5.   Support stick with what we've got... i like it... why do we have to change? 211.30.0.145 10:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  6.   Support -- Micha2564 14:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  7.   Support -- The pictures don't represent the goals of Wiktionary. A-yao 13:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  8.   Support　--Aphaia 15:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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