Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election

Anywhere on Earth

Thank you for organising this. I probably should have asked this during the regular election, but why are there competing timing standards in a single timeline (end of the day, anywhere on earth, and UTC)? Sdrqaz (talk) 02:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

That's a good question, we copypasted the table from the previuos election and did not notice that. But I think that it makes sense to leave a more user friendly time indication that is clear to everyone without the need for time zone calculations for the candidatures, on the other hand securepoll needs a precise moment to be closed. --Civvì (talk) 06:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election/Candidates Barkeep49 (talk) 14:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC) Can we please, please either stop using this time designation, or add in brackets afterward the equivalent UTC time, which is UTC-12? The international standard for time is UTC, and it would sure be nice to use that as our standard, too. I'm not sure why there is this idea that setting a deadline of 2359 hours on the Howland Islands is an improvement over a deadline of 2359 UTC, but it is still an actual single point in time. Risker (talk) 07:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

That's easily fixed, that would be July 20, 2024 12 UTC instead of July 19, 2024, End of Day, Anywhere on Earth, is that right? (I love AoE because I'm not that good in timezones math...:-D) --Civvì (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Regional Seats and Home Wiki limitations

In the U4C main elections earlier this year, the Regional seats could be taken by any candidate but any Community at large seats were restricted such that candidates with the same home wiki as two other elected candidates could not win. Is that still in effect for the special elections/how exactly is the "no more than two members from the same wiki" enforced?

Adjacently, could you tell us how exactly the allocation is done? Last time all the regional seats were filled first (in order of vote counts) followed by Community at large. Is that the same this time? Soni (talk) 07:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The home wiki rule is set by the Charter. We have published the limitation that some regional seats are already taken and that the home wiki rule limits candidacies. Ineligible candidates will probably be sorted out by the Elections Committee and WMF, as before. The home wiki is defined by the candidates themselves. The allocation is not changed and will be done by the Election Committee again. The background is that the two-year-seats are filled first, the one-year-seats afterwards. This can be changed in the next election after this special election, as all seats will then have a two year term. --Ghilt (talk) 09:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

So to clarify, because the U4C already has 2 candidates from English Wikipedia, German Wikipedia, and Italian Wikipedia already seated, candidates from those wikis cannot apply even if the candidate is applying for a "regional" seat? Soni (talk) 10:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm very sad to say that this is correct. But only if you define your home wiki as en.wp, de.wp or it.wp in this election. -- Ghilt (talk) 10:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

In that case, I would request the "home wiki" lists being clearly added to U4C page as well as a list of already seated members to the special elections page.

If I understand correctly, this also means that if at least one candidate from the Arabic Wikipedia is selected for a "regional seat", nobody from that wiki can be elected to Community at Large, correct? Soni (talk) 10:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the proposals: the home wikis of current members, the home wiki rule and the list of current members were added. If only one from a home wiki was elected, a second can run for a seat in the special election. And depending on which of the seats was already taken, the other will be either regional or community-at-large. Ghilt (talk) 12:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

It's probably not important for this specific case, as the user has been marked as ineligible [1], but just in case there are similar cases in the future: Are candidates allowed to change their home wiki in order to escape the two candidate per home wiki limit?
The user in question has made 90% of their global edits at enwiki [2] and was a U4C candidate running as an enwiki member at the last election [3] yet they decided to run as a metawiki candidate for this special election three months later [4]. --Johannnes89 (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know there isn't a precise definition of "home wiki" (perhaps we should think about establishing criteria), I think we should consider the wiki where a user has more userrights and/or more edits so personally I do not think that changing homewiki to circumvent this limit should be allowed. Imho (but I know this is probably too stringent) I would also not allow Meta as home wiki being a coordination project and not a content or technical project. Civvì (talk) 19:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Translation subpages

Currently, the translation subpages of Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election/Candidates with the language codes following the title are shown together with the candidate subpages. Is there any way to hide them? –MrBenjo (talk) 16:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps using <noinclude> in the translated pages? (or includeonly in the candidates pages?) --Civvì (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Fixed it with translate-hidetranslations=1. –MrBenjo (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

submit your candidate page does not work

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Universal+Code+of+Conduct%2FCoordinating+Committee%2FElection%2FCandidates%2FPreload&editintro=Universal+Code+of+Conduct%2FCoordinating+Committee%2FElection%2FCandidates%2FEditintro&title=Universal+Code+of+Conduct%2FCoordinating+Committee%2FElection%2F2024+Special+Election%2FCandidates%2F%5Busername%5D&create=Click+here+to+submit+your+candidacy returns an error message - contains invalid characters: "[". Yger (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Yger you want to remove the [ from the box. So you'd want to fill in Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election/Candidates/Yger into that box not ...Candidates/[Yger]. Hope that helps. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

no, does not help Yger (talk) 19:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Yger you need to write your username instead of [username] in the field on top of the button. The text in that field should be Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election/Candidates/Yger --Civvì (talk) 19:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

OK Yger (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Will there be a "General Discussion" section?

I believe that a discussion section is one of the best ways for a community to learn about the candidates. Other community members can discuss the candidates, instead of everyone having to go through all info on their own. It's already there in non Securepoll elections (as you can discuss while you !vote) but here would also be a good idea. Is that something we might have this Special Elections.

Alternatively, I think a "list of guides" being prominent somewhere would also do a similar thing. Community members who are well informed can put their opinions on individual "guides" and others can follow them and make their own opinions on candidates. Soni (talk) 23:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

We already thought about both and are working on adding a comments section to the questions page and on the creation of a voting guide, we would be glad to link voting guides done by other users. We also worked on a way to transclude each individual comments and question section in the candidates page (and so far it seems to work). :-) Civvì (talk) 12:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks for making this change! Perhaps there could be a (lightly moderated) section linking to candidate guides at the top of the questions page? I say lightly moderated to give the U4C the discretion to remove particularly egregious ones if they happen. – Ajraddatz (talk) 20:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)