Ironholds

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Calling other people 'cunts'

See this. Unbelievable and outrageous. Peter Damian (talk) 08:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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Delineation

I'm confused as to what you are doing here. If memory serves me well, you are currently a staff member - (researcher, liaison, whatever). But you are commenting on the community engagement page, adding trivial points without a signature. You don't seem to be using your staff account but your personal account, while other staff members in similar capacity are using their staff accounts. Either way, I'd like you to clarify there. If you are stating your personal opinion as a community member than there is some COI since this directly affects your role, if you are adding information as a staff member, you should be using your staff account. I think everyone would like to see more delineation in those two roles. Theo10011 (talk) 11:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Now deliniated, although I'd ask that you be (however you'd better interpret it) either less blunt or more civil. Describing someone's contributions as "trivial points" while opening a conversation that asks them to do something is usually the wrong way to go about it. Ironholds (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

No. I prefer being blunt occasionally. Civil however, I was. The only thing you are objecting against is me calling your edits "trivial points" - assuming I could have been referring to any one of the six edits that you did make, my point was still an opinion that I am entitled to. I believe I can still remain civil while expressing those opinion. I found the idea of that page quite useless. Theo10011 (talk) 08:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Certainly, you're entitled to the opinion - when did I say you weren't? - but equally, I'm entitled to the opinion that your way of opening this conversation was inefficient when it came to actually achieving what you came here to achieve. Anyway: the problem you surfaced is resolved. FWIW, I didn't create the page and am not further participating in its development or the underlying process, so communicating your opinion of it to me isn't going to achieve much of anything for either of us. Ironholds (talk) 14:55, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Cool. Theo10011 (talk) 15:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting that. That was an embarrassingly bad joke. PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Improper delete of my comments:

On what basis did you delete my comments? You make a reference to "Please review our friendly spaces policy. "people like [user]...endorse racism" is a violation of it)" I am unable to find any WP:Friendly spaces policy. Pleas explain why you deleted my comments and how they violated some policy.[[1]] EditorASC (talk) 19:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Certainly; I deleted your comments because they violated Grants:IdeaLab/Friendly space, which is the set of behavioural expectations applied to the IdeaLab, linked at the top of the page you were editing. It violated this policy, which mandates polite and reasonable behaviour and prohibits "offensive comments related to...political affiliation", with the section starting "In a little more than one century..", which claimed that I and people "like [me]" endorsed "repugnant" discrimination analogous to the Jim Crow legislation. Ironholds (talk) 20:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

That policy page is quite ambiguous and speaks in terms of glittering generalities that can be interpreted just about any way that one wants, if they don't like the opinions expressed by anther editor, which seems to me to be what you have done there by reverting me entirely, instead of tweaking a few words you did not like. I note that you brag about campaigning for Liberal Democrats in the elections. That tells me an awful lot about why you deleted my comments which obviously rankled you. Frankly, I think you are using your own political bias as grounds for misusing the powers of your office at Wikipeda. If that doesn't amount to "unfriendly" action, I don't know what does.

I will tweak the wording a bit, so you won't have any excuse for claiming you are doing the right thing by deleting my comments. But, don't expect me to not oppose affirmative action policies, when they do deny opportunity to some BECAUSE OF their race, ethnicity or gender. Such policies clearly amount to racial or gender discrimination, and it is ALWAYS wrong. EditorASC (talk) 22:12, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar; you'd have more of a claim if enforcing the friendly space guidelines hadn't been a consistent pattern of mine. Which, it has been. And, it's not bragging, it's descriptive of how I spent my time at university - eight thousand miles and five years away. I'd note that the only person bringing up historic politics here is you, which is..well, I'd ask you to actually stay on topic. Ironholds (talk) 00:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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Indeed; I've stepped out of that discussion precisely to avoid the kind of toxicity that gets thrown around and how much easier it makes it for me to be uncivil. I don't like being that kind of person. Ironholds (talk) 20:26, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

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Again against minorities?

Again you raise your fist against a volunteer expressing a minority view? It seems to me that wikimedia-l does not lack people defending WMF staff right now (it's very good that dozens of WMF staffers are speaking in public, indeed), I don't see a need to attack those two or three volunteers who express a different view. Nemo 11:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Nemo, if you've been following Anthony's contributions in this space and in others you'll see a constant attitude of "Lila is just getting rid of dead wood". I happen to quite like some of Lila's changes, but what I do not like is to hear Siko, Luis and others described as dead wood; the insistence that if people are leaving because of Lila's changes, well, they probably should leave because the organisation's employees are bad at their jobs. It's offensive; it's also, in its own way, attacking. I have no problem with people expressing support for Lila (or any of the other volunteers, or staff, expressing support); I have a problem with people who look at a situation that has a lot of people hurting, a lot of people leaving because they just can't take it any more, and respond with attacks on staff and former staff like "Your surfacing here and on the Wikipedia Weekly Facebook page is creepy and unbecoming. You are largely responsible for the shambles Lila inherited. We haven't forgotten the contempt with which you treated us when you were in control at WMF. What are you trying to achieve here? Have you been stirring the shit in the background, drumming up this coup?" I note that you haven't criticised him for his approach.

Again, people could do with a lot more asking questions, and a lot less "so this is how the world is, speaking from outside the tent". I appreciate it's not an easy thing to do; it is, in a weirdly humorous way, aided by the fact that the population of staffers being criticised so much for a lack of responsibility or a lack of contribution are being so responsible in not making very clear all of the things that have been causing concerns inside the organisation. Ironholds (talk) 14:39, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

I know who he is, but that just makes for an ad hominem personal attack. Nemo 17:37, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I've said nothing about his person, merely things about his statements. Again, I have no problems with people disagreeing. I have a lot of problems with people disagreeing in a way that dismisses the lived experiences of others. Anthony has actually accepted this and we're moving on; perhaps you should too? Ironholds (talk) 17:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about Ironholds? Everything from "creepy and unbecoming...." takes a nosedive to ".....drumming up this coup?" makes it seem like you have been in an altered reality. No one said those things, no one implied it - it's just you projecting your insecurities.

I'm not sure what you think happens in the real world - but people have opinions about employees of almost every organisation or company. Everyone from a barista at Starbucks to even the president is judged on their performance daily (even when they are "hurting", actually, especially when they are "hurting"). Opinions make them out to be incompetent, bad or awesome hundred times over - it's all subjective.

I'm not sure if Nemo and the rest need to get "this is how the world is", maybe you've been in a bubble too long yourself? Anyway. This reminded me of deadwood.....(should re-watch). Theo10011 (talk) 19:36, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Theo10011: you know how those bits are in quote marks? It's because they're a quote. So, yes, someone did say those things, and how outlandish they sound is entirely the point of my argument. And if you can't see the difference between legitimate criticism and comments like the one I was quoting, and the difference in what it does to the recipient, well, that's your problem to deal with.

I've already offered to have a conversation about differences of opinion in these spaces, but such a conversation requires good faith, and your comment here - which calls me insecure, living in a bubble, and living in an altered reality - utterly, utterly lacks it. I expect you to either apologise or get off my talkpage and stay off it. Ironholds (talk) 21:17, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

This was cute, but this isn't en.wp. My name is not "Theodore" just like yours isn't "moron". Any reference to me beyond Theo or Theo10011 would be tantamount to outing and would be grounds to OS. I expect an apology now. As for removing or editing someone else's, it is discouraged on meta, let's see what happens if you try that again. Theo10011 (talk) 13:29, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I apologise for referring to you as "Theodore", which, I'd point out, is clearly not an outing risk given that it's a term you've just used. If you're now satisfied, having called me a lunatic and a moron, please stay away from me. I find our interactions frustrating and unproductive, and have no wish to engage in them. You can disregard the email I just sent you: it's readily apparent that moving forward is not something you're interested in doing. Ironholds (talk) 13:34, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Congrats

Congratulations for your new job! Some change after 5 years will be healthy for you (I hope). Nemo 17:37, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I'm certainly looking forward to a lot of things about being a volunteer again. Ironholds (talk) 17:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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