Talk:Tech/News/Archives/2024

Propagating changes to translations

Hey User:Quiddity what is the process for folding these changes into all the translations? https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tech%2FNews&diff=25986822&oldid=25979862

(They are not marked for translation and I'm not sure that they should be) Thanks in advance! Jdlrobson (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the ping on your volunteer account! @Quiddity (WMF):. Jdlrobson (talk) 18:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

It looks like these 2 edits fixed it, and the links now work in the translated pages. Thanks! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Template suggestion

Hi. There is a problem that makes me a lot of trouble for years in Tech News, navigation-wise. Can I, please, create a sketch for a new template to be added to the Tech News pages, hoping it will be accepted, and if yes, it will be created? IKhitron (talk) 19:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Don't know exactly what the issue is, IKhitron, but please let us know what it is and suggest how we could solve it! Johan (WMF) (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Very well. I'll make something simple to start with, thanks. IKhitron (talk) 23:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Great. Something slightly more tangible would help us think about it. (: Johan (WMF) (talk) 23:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I believe it's enough. If there will be a decision to create this, there is a lot of work to make it actually work, and not just look like. I suggest to add to every Tech News page on meta (not on talk pages publications), on all languages, a kind of "template:tech news navigation". This is how it looks for 2024, with 2023 to be on the left red link and 2025 to be on the right red link. It's a very rough draft, so ignore the code, just watch on the appearance. What do you think? IKhitron (talk) 23:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tech news navigation <- 2024 -> Template:Tech news navigation

01	02	03	04	05	06	07	08	09	10	11	12
01 (01)	06 (05)	10 (04)	14 (01)	19 (06)	23 (03)	27 (01)	32 (05)	36 (02)	41 (07)	45 (04)	49 (02)
02 (08)	07 (12)	11 (11)	15 (08)	20 (13)	24 (10)	28 (08)	33 (12)	37 (09)	42 (14)	46 (11)	50 (09)
03 (15)	08 (19)	12 (18)	16 (15)	21 (20)	25 (17)	29 (15)	34 (19)	38 (16)	43 (21)	47 (18)	51 (16)
04 (22)	09 (26)	13 (25)	17 (22)	22 (27)	26 (24)	30 (22)	35 (26)	39 (23)	44 (28)	48 (25)	52 (23)
05 (29)			18 (29)			31 (29)		40 (30)

@IKhitron: I’m not sure if it’s really needed on all issue pages. We already have Tech/News/Archives, which lists all past (and some future) issues. On the other hand, making the dates (and not only the weeks numbers) visible is a good idea, which could be implemented on Tech/News/Archives. (Maybe in text rather than in table, though, e.g. 16 (15 April).) —Tacsipacsi (talk) 18:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Could be, but there is no link on any issue on any language to the archive page. IKhitron (talk) 18:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Tech/News does link to it fairly prominently (“Read old issues” link), isn’t that enough? —Tacsipacsi (talk) 21:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I hoped that links on hindu translation from 2021 will lead to other hindu translations from that year. Here it will take four clicks instead of one. I know it's possible to go there, my suggestion is to go there instantly, exactly to the right place. There is not enough space on issue pages? IKhitron (talk) 22:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@IKhitron: Yes, I do think that the issue headers are already huge and shouldn’t be made even larger. For example, on my 768px tall screen, using Vector 2022, a single line of the actual issue text (in fact of the introduction) is visible on Tech/News/2024/14/he. I’ve updated Tech/News/Archives to use {{pg}}, so now Tech/News/Archives/he links to Hebrew translations (if they exist) rather than to the English pages. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 13:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

"Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe • [[Tech/News/Archives/<lang>|Archives]]" will take a lot of place, @Tacsipacsi? Thank you for pg. IKhitron (talk) 13:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@IKhitron: It doesn’t take a lot of place, but it has two caveats:

• It’s distributed. Is it good to distribute the archive link? I’m not sure (which means neither am I sure that it’s bad).
• What to substitute in the place of <lang>?
  • The current subpage name: this is what {{pg}} does, but if an issue is not translated, the readers are brought to the English page that week.
  • Special:MyLanguage: works consistently across weeks, but doesn’t work (=brings to the English page) if one hasn’t set their UI language on Meta (which is likely true for a great percentage of readers).
  • Something else?

So I don’t find this unacceptable, but I’d like to see the above two points resolved before making the change (and I’d love to hear a third opinion, especially on the first point). Tacsipacsi (talk) 16:33, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

• Absolutely, it needs to be distributed.
• Getting the language from a page where the translation is published is impossible? In this case, it's the first option, which works fine for translated issues.

IKhitron (talk) 16:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hack to include recurring texts from templates

I’ve realized that {{TRANSLATIONLANGUAGE}}, which has recently become available outside of <translate> tags, could be used for a hack to translate recurring texts (greeting, headings etc.) from templates: if I write

{{safesubst:Template name/{{TRANSLATIONLANGUAGE}} }}

on the page, it doesn’t get substed on the translation original because replacing {{TRANSLATIONLANGUAGE}} with en happens after the pre-save transform and MediaWiki can’t substitute a template whose name contains another, not substituted template; but on translation pages, the replacement happens before the pre-save transform, so the substitution succeeds (and thus there is no template call in the distributed text). This is quite hackish, but maybe worth it to save time for translators and obsolete {{SALT}}? —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:44, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Interesting. Let us take a look at it and see! Johan (WMF) (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@Johan (WMF): I’ve created a proof of concept on Tech/News/2024/16 because I didn’t want to mess with Tech/News/2024/15 (to be delivered in two days) anymore. (It’s a proof of concept in particular because markup for mixed-language text is missing in some cases. Adding the markup is doable, but it probably requires yet another template, which I don’t want to create until we know we need it.) It works as intended on the translatable page; you (or UOzurumba (WMF)) may want to mark the issue for translation (and encourage translation of Template:Tech news text) earlier than usual so that we can notice and fix any issues on time. (I’ve tested my concept in my local dev wiki before starting this topic, though, so I hope there won’t be any issues.) If there are any issues that can’t be fixed before delivery, or the person doing the delivery isn’t comfortable with it, feel free to revert. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 18:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Also ping Trizek (WMF) and Quiddity (WMF). Johan (WMF) (talk) 22:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I like the proposal, thank you @Tacsipacsi! It is certainly a more robust solution than SALT. I think you should drop a note to other translators, in particularly the ones using SALT! :) Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 19:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@UOzurumba, could you, please, open the next issue for translation already now, to check the result? IKhitron (talk) 13:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@IKhitron, done! Thank you. UOzurumba (WMF) (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks! IKhitron (talk) 17:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, it took me about a minute to translate, which is very nice. But also, I think I found a problem. @Tacsipacsi, I believe you should do these things:

1. Edit Template:Tech news text, such that in the parameter |next train standard= the text mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.XX will be replaced by mw:MediaWiki {{{version}}}.
2. Mark it for translation.
3. Edit Tech/News/2024/16, such that {{safesubst:Tech news text/{{TRANSLATIONLANGUAGE}}|next train standard|group0=2024-04-16|group1=2024-04-17|group2=2024-04-18}} will be replaced by {{safesubst:Tech news text/{{TRANSLATIONLANGUAGE}}|next train standard|version=1.43.0-wmf.1|group0=2024-04-16|group1=2024-04-17|group2=2024-04-18}}
4. Mark it for translation.

And congrats for your great idea. IKhitron (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

And also, there is something odd with noinclude tags. Instead of next Tue/Wed/Thu it shows April 16/17/11 on the template page. IKhitron (talk) 22:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the problem report! I’ve fixed it, although slightly differently (the whole page title is the parameter, which naturally avoids the dash vs slash confusion), plus introduced a parameter for the other link as well (which was also wrong, 1.42 instead of the brand new 1.43).

About the days, I wouldn’t care much about it. Yes, when rendered on a Wednesday, “next Tuesday” and “next Wednesday” mean the next week while “next Thursday” means tomorrow, but this affects only the template page itself, not the issue pages, and translators will probably mostly look at the page over weekends anyway, when it’s consistent. 🙂 —Tacsipacsi (talk) 23:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome. Very well. But looks like there is one more problem, @Tacsipacsi, this time temporal one. If an issue translation was created before template translation, there is a mess, because subst already worked, I think. Look at gpa translation, I've translated a line from the template by myself, to test it, and it's still in English. From the same cause, see the result of the Franch translation in the "new Mediawiki" part. Maybe you should add a warning to this issue page "Do not translate before the template translation is ready." IKhitron (talk) 00:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I think if you use next Mon+2/3/4 instead of next Tue/Wed/Thu, it should work, but I'm not sure. IKhitron (talk) 00:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, a change in the translation doesn’t regenerate the issue page. However, the issue page is regenerated and all translation updates are incorporated if either the page is re-marked for translation (this usually happens anyway on Mondays to remove the deadline template), or any non-null edit is made to a translation unit. It’s still worth a note on Template:Tech news text/doc (I won’t write it right now, it’s getting really late), but nothing’s lost if one starts with the issue itself (worst case, they have to add and remove a word in the issue translation). —Tacsipacsi (talk) 00:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi, I think the #switch-es with all values in code are not expected. Maybe due to “Mark up untranslated items”? -- Pols12 (talk) 00:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

No, due to a missing safesubst:. Fixed. (Something’s fishy around the untranslated item markup as well, as Module:Lang if different seems to mark up everything even if it’s translated, but it’s not that annoying, and I’ve run out of ideas for today.) —Tacsipacsi (talk) 00:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Fishy things also fixed. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 23:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

N3. Confirming that RSS feed is fine as well. IKhitron (talk) 09:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

NN3. @Tacsipacsi, I've calculated the right dates for the noinclude tags. Now it shows the current train at Sun-Thu and the next one at Fri-Sat. IKhitron (talk) 15:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Tacsipacsi, I suggest to add to the top half of Tech/News/init empty lines with icons substitutions, like "advanced item". IKhitron (talk) 00:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Quiddity (WMF) added them to Tech/News/Manual#Icons in the meantime, I think that’s enough. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 13:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm just coming by to say this change may not seem that much important but it actually saves a lot of time to tech news translators. Thanks Tacsipacsi for the idea and thanks everyone else for contributing! Sakretsu (炸裂) 16:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

+1 --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 07:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Main public logs, question about translation

Hei hei! I'm one of the users active in translating the notices to Norwegian Bokmål, and I'm curious about one of the items for this week. It refers to a string that I can't seem to find on transwiki.net, so I don't know what it's translated as. The string in question is "Main public logs". I wasn't sure how to read the linked phabricator page, but I'm wondering if anyone know where this string may be found. EdoAug (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@EdoAug: It’s translatewiki:MediaWiki:all-logs-page/nb. (And it’s Tech/News/2024/19 if someone wonders in three years.) The English message was updated 12 minutes after you started this topic. 🙂 —Tacsipacsi (talk) 23:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: Sweet, thank you! Now I just have to figure out how we should translate it. 🤓 EdoAug (talk) 23:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks to all the folks putting out the tech news, much appreciated! Valereee (talk) 00:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the positive feedback! That too is appreciated. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 16:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

White icons in dark mode

Hello and thanks for your work, Could you add class=skin-invert-image to icons in future News so that their colors be inverted in dark mode? (See mw:Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis#Apply filters to dark images with transparent background) Thanks, Escargot bleu (talk) 07:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I updated the manual. Escargot bleu (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Your edit covers most of it. I've updated the other two spots (generic, and next week's draft). I appreciate your note, your edit, and the details. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF), please also take note of my edit there. I think it wasn’t the intention that these images should be ignored by users using screen reader software, if it was, then my edit can be reverted. stjn^[ru] 23:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

If you read the MediaWiki page carefully, for these icons this can be simplified to |class=skin-invert since they don’t have a caption. stjn^[ru] 23:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

The reason I prefer skin-invert-image is that it always works, so people doing copy-pastes without understanding how it works won't have any issue. Escargot bleu (talk) 14:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Survey on limesurvey.net

Page Tech/News/2024/29 is translated into 14 languages. Czech translation is completed, but the survey does not offer the creation of a Czech translation at all. Why? Or better: Where we can do it? -- Want (talk) 15:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Want Hi, sorry about that. I requested translation assistance via the translators-l@ mailing list 10 days before the survey was first launched. Then everything that was translated at Tech/News/Reader survey 2024, I copy & pasted into LimeSurvey just before sending Tech News that week. In hindsight, I also should've mentioned it here.

Unfortunately the survey is only officially open for 3 more days (though I'll likely leave it till the end of the week), but if you wish to add translations there, I can still copy them across, then ping you once that's ready, and you could possibly help encourage more Czech responses with the updated link? Up to you. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 02:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have time to translate now. I have a dentist appointment coming up. Those who want to, must fill in the questionnaire in a language they understand. Thanks for the your effort. -- Want (talk) 05:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I’ve set Tech/News/Reader survey 2024 to discouraged in the translation system to make it clear that new translations won’t be included anymore. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 17:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Section headers changing

Noting that we're going to be testing out some new section-headers for Tech News this week (and in the following weeks), that are intended to help readers to better navigate the content in each week's newsletter. We'll move the new section-headers into the {{Tech news text}} system after a couple of weeks, if all goes well.

We're also planning some updates for the Manual, with this and related info, such as an expanded Style Guide. Thanks. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Date postpone

Hi. I just saw the news issue in wikitech-l. It was sent on Tuesday. So, I have a suggestion: let's move the RSS feed jump date from Monday to Tuesday too? Because now it is sent about 12 hours before the wikipages delivery, and there were some cases over the years when these versions were different after last minute change. IKhitron (talk) 19:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. Are you familiar with what exactly needs to be changed? If so, please go ahead and edit it, or point me towards where and what needs to be changed. (I've tried reading the docs, but they are unclear to me). If not, I will ask around for help. Thanks. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 23:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

No, I don't. IKhitron (talk) 00:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Request filed at phab:T370811. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Feedback

Hi. I really hope the new format will not continue, otherwise I think I'm going to leave the translation, and there will be one language less every week. It's the second week I spent about 90 minutes to translate the issue, instead of 5 minutes before, or 15 minutes until a couple of months ago. I just don't have so much time. Today it was even harder, because I needed to rephrase from scratch half of the entries, and I still don't know how to translate the new section headers, because straight translations make no sense in the target language. IKhitron (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I also have the same feeling. I doubt if Tech News is still tech news. I really liked the very concise format of "this is changing; if you're affected (usually not), go there". Now it's more of tech outreach bulletin to non-technical people. I believe that target groups of these are mainly disjoint. I don't know what were the survey results, but I strongly believe, there should be a newsletter like Tech News used to be - short action items for community technicians to act upon, without the bloat of "have you known that...?" (which I don't say is useless but do we really have so many of these every week?). Msz2001 (talk) 13:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@IKhitron & @Msz2001: Thank you for this detailed and helpful feedback. Yes, the survey responses (a summary is coming soon™) and other related discussions did indicate that some readers do really want more details or context in each entry, and also more entries overall (so that they can learn about other Tech-related work that is ongoing within the movement, or tools they weren't already aware of). However, that definitely needs to be balanced with all of your weekly translation-efforts.

Re: Now it's more of tech outreach bulletin to non-technical people. I believe that target groups of these are mainly disjoint -- I believe I understand your point about the intended-audience for Tech News, but I'd suggest that technical skill-levels and technical interest-levels are both a huge spectrum in the movement! We're aiming to be more helpful to all editors who are interested in news about the varied technical infrastructures we all use to contribute, but that is inherently a difficult balance.

In the short-term (the next few weeks), we (my teammates) will continue to experiment with adjusting various aspects, including sub-section-titles and entry-structures, but we will try to find a better balance for the length of each entry. One partial-solution might be for us to settle on some more "standardized" entry-structures, that are thus more easily translatable by you all each week. My teammates and I have been discussing that, but haven't settled on anything precise yet; I'll write some notes here over the next few weeks.

In the longer-term, we may need to think of other new ideas, such as perhaps a special (longer) monthly edition of Tech News for these less time-specific but still informative entries.

If anyone else has related thoughts (both pros and cons of recent experiments, or other suggestions for ways to improve), please do share them. Thanks again. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 23:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the goal of keeping it simple, but I disagree that the recent increase in volume is a way of reaching this goal. By introducing long-winded sentences with rhetorical questions and vague expressions, we are increasing the complexity of the messages. Le Loy (talk) 06:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Same. It is quite unfortunate to see the tone shifting to marketing and promotion ("This decision will safeguard the productivity of our developers" ??? "This group will bring technical contributors and Wikimedia Foundation together to co-define a more resilient, future-proof technological platform" ??????)
I don't like it.
We should keep Tech News fact-focussed, otherwise it is not enjoyable to read / translate. I read enough marketing materials at work. Le Loy (talk) 02:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Week 31

I would like to thank everyone who participated in writing this week's Tech News issue. It is so much more concise and well-written, thanks a lot for your work. Le Loy (talk) 23:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Week 32

Well, it's much better. I only hope there will be one day translatable section headers. IKhitron (talk) 00:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, we just moved the previous ones into a template and now we're back at the manual mode. Le Loy (talk) 03:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Not at all. I'm talking about the fact that I can't find local ewuivalents to these new expressions. I can suggest "Software", "Problems", ... and "Publications" instead. The third one I can't, because I have no idea what does "Project updates" mean. IKhitron (talk) 10:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I can agree that Tech News is nicer to translate now! Thanks to everyone who participated in it! Msz2001 (talk) 10:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you again, all!

Re: Headers: Yeah, I both want to get them into the {{Tech news text}}, but I also don't want to do that but then end up changing them again... Especially related to IKhitron's uncertainties about how to translate, and my team's various ideas about alternative solutions for clustering & labeling the sections! (Naming things is hard, etc!). I hope to have some time next week to put both the final survey results, and the draft-notes full of ideas and the thinking behind them, here on meta-wiki. For the next couple of weeks, I plan to keep doing the manual headers, and I hope that's not too troublesome for you all. Best wishes, Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Codex updates

Hi. Is it possible to include updates about Codex, like when a new version is released? Is it in scope of this newsletter? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 13:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @DaxServer. Thanks again for the suggestion. Sorry I didn't reply directly earlier, I was away from work for a few days.

Looking at the docs, I see that Codex is released every two weeks (per mw:Codex#Release cycle), and the next release will be the week after next (the week starting September 23). The full changelog is linked from that page's introduction.

I'm now talking to the Design Systems team about how we might most efficiently/concisely summarize those changes twice a month (as there is too much info for Tech News directly), and generally there's nothing that editors or most volunteer-devs need to be aware of.

Is there a particular aspect of Codex that you are interested in, or that you'd suggest many editors/devs might want to be highlighted? That info might help us determine how to phrase a recurring entry, or when to selectively-highlight something that is relevant to gadget/tool-maintainers.

E.g. I'm considering whether it might be good to have a simple repeated weekly footer-line in every Tech News, without prose, for weeks where there are not any major updates. That might also enable us to replace the "MediaWiki releases" link(s), as discussed in the thread below. -- (e.g.

"* Full update notes for this week: MediaWiki, Codex, ...") -- and then some weeks when there are significant user-facing changes we would also write a separate prose-wording entry.

If anyone as thoughts on that last idea, especially suggestions for other recurring links (weekly/bi-weekly/monthly) that would be useful to have included in TN but don't need a full "entry", please share them!

Thanks! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

MediaWiki releases are no longer mentioned in Tech News

I have noticed that Tech News haven't included mentions of the new MediaWiki versions for over ten weeks now. Last mention was in Tech/News/2024/26, for mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.11 ("The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis ..."). I've noticed it first in the enwiki's archives: en:w:Wikipedia:Tech news/Archive 12#Tech News: 2024-26, where it's much easier to see with a Ctrl+F search for this very consistent wording. —⁠andrybak (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

This is probably an outcome of the recent survey where people have been asked on what sections of Tech News they find interesting and what is missing. I personally would only want to know when things are different than usual, like the Christmas break. Messages that are worded exactly each time tend to be skipped by people who read newsletters. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 16:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! This does sound like a valid reason to alter the newsletter.

Quiddity, could you please share if the survey results were published already? See also previous mentions of the survey: one, two. —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Sjoerd is correct! And yes, uploading the survey results is my priority early next week. (Higher-priority things keep interrupting me. Reality continually interferes with my plans! >.<). Sorry again for the delays. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Tech News 2024 survey results

I've added the survey results, and some notes, at Tech/News/Reader survey 2024/Results. Thanks again to everyone who helped translate the questions, and/or shared feedback in the survey. Work is ongoing to research or implement some of the ideas in there, including improving our documentation about it all, and I'll write again here about that in the next week or two. Cheers, Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 05:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Plural

Hey team, please remember to use the plural function for numbers like View all $1 community-submitted tasks. The word "tasks" changes depending on the number in many languages, e. g. in Russian "$1 tasks" can be:

• …11 задач
• …3 задачи
• …21 задачу

Some languages also have specific forms for 2 items (Arabic) etc. Le Loy (talk) 05:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Le Loy Oh! Thank you for that note. I was aware that plural words often vary a lot below 10 in some languages, but didn't know (or had forgotten) that they changed for larger numbers. I've added a note to the TN Manual. P.s. Thank you Cookai1205 for the edit to this week's edition. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Tech News page

Hiya! The Tech News "front page" has recently undergone some changes. I must admit I prefer the previous header, as it was clear if anything needed a translation and such. The text on the page is also entirely unaffected by the customizable "text size". I am using the "small" configuration, and it all just seems rather jumbled and large to me. Is this intentional? EdoAug (talk) 20:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and also, what's up with the serif font? EdoAug (talk) 21:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi EdoAug! Thanks for the comments. I plan to discuss these issues and related concerns with my colleagues later this week. We might have some of them fixed even earlier. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF): Hiya! It's been a couple of weeks since this was brought up. Did the meeting result in anything related to these concerns? EdoAug (talk) 18:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the nudge.

Content-wise: (1) I've replaced the link for "edit the next issue" in the header bar. (2) The direct "Translate the next issue" link should automatically appear once the next edition is marked as ready (cf. the `ifexist` line) [but i'll check again, once it's ready!].

Text-size: Someone is looking into the issues with the appearance menu's text-size options not working (here and other pages that use the same formatting templates).

Serif-fonts: Ongoing discussions about the usage here and elsewhere.

Cheers, Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I’d suggest reverting these changes outright. Currently the page fonts became unaffected by font size settings in Vector 2022 (and I assume in Minerva), which is an accessibility problem. Serif fonts should also not be imposed on everyone reading the pages without a discussion. stjn^[ru] 10:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Delivery failure to English Wiktionary

Subsequent to some discussions, I added (or at least tried to add) the Grease Pit on English Wiktionary to the list of delivery targets almost a month ago. The magic words in the link ought to work fine, if their presence in other links on that page is anything to go by. But we haven't received Tech News at the Grease Pit since subscribing. What gives? This, that and the other (talk) 10:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

It ended up in wikt:en:Wiktionary:Grease pit/2024/10. {{CURRENTMONTH}} returns month number, for month name you need {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}. Cookai🍪 _(💬talk) 11:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Right, I see. Fixed. Thanks! This, that and the other (talk) 21:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)