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Re: Copyedit of "Mind the Gap"Edit

To me, that comma wasn't needed because it just created a comma splice. I'd be interested in your reasons for putting the comma back. Graham87 10:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

  • Grammarians are inconsistent in their enforcement of the so-called prohibition of comma splices; examples are provided in the article "comma splice". The disputed rule about comma splices is subordinate to the value of logical grouping. Think of the commas in this sentence as indicating where brackets could be if this sentence was a mathematical equation: "[The graph shows that] [[[(1) self-identified males that the computer algorithm scored as using female language], and [(2) females that the computer program identified as using female language]], [are often relatively close to the dividing diagonal line for gender-even scores]]; while [[[(3) females that scored as using male language], and [(4) males identified as using male language]], [are more likely to be further away from the diagonal]]." If you remove the commas in question then the sentence would read as: "[The graph shows that] [[[(1) self-identified males that the computer algorithm scored as using female language], and [(2) females that the computer program identified as using female language are often relatively close to the dividing diagonal line for gender-even scores]]]; while [[[(3) females that scored as using male language], and [(4) males identified as using male language are more likely to be further away from the diagonal]]]." Adding the commas makes the correct logic clearer. Pinetalk 04:26, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


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20:39, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Global bans policy discussionEdit

At Requests for comment/Global bans, where you have commented in support of Option 2, a third option has recently been implemented. The first two options did not prove a way for respondents to indicate that they oppose global bans entirely, i.e., that it is not possible to write a meaningful global bans policy that would attract their support. Option 3 is intended to provide that opportunity, and to aid in distinguishing between people who oppose the proposed policy because it requires improvements and those who oppose the proposed policy because no policy permitting global bans should be adopted.

Because the third section was added late by a respondent, it is possible that some people who responded early in the RFC have commented at option 2, but would really prefer to support option 3, or support both. If so, you may voluntarily choose to move your original comment or to or strikethrough your original comment and add new comments. This is a courtesy notice of the change, and there is no requirement that you take any action. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:51, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


I didn't see any post of yours on wikipedia-l,[1] that's wikimedia-l (formerly foundation-l). Thanks, Nemo 09:23, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I thought I got that right. Turns out only one of the three references was right. Fixed. Pine 09:49, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Global Request committeeEdit

Hiya Pine, I'd like to invite you to help with a global request committee. I want to restart the proposal and see how far we can get this time. I am wondering if I should start a new RfC for this or use the existing one, I'll ping you when I have something to start with. I'd love to have you work on this together. Regards. Theo10011 (talk) 12:17, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

  • OK, I'll make some comments on the GRC talk page. Let's coordinate there. Pine 20:49, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the great work there Pine. I'm sorry I was indisposed to follow through earlier, I'll take a look now. You made good progress, Thanks. Theo10011 (talk) 18:27, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


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VisualEditor and Parsoid detailsEdit

I have never been able to get clear answers on how the Visual Editor is doing, what its costs are, and why it's taking so long
— User talk:Sue Gardner/Narrowing focus#Comments

Hey there,

Sorry that you've not been able to find answers to your questions about the VisualEditor and Parsoid projects; I'd be happy to answer any questions you have, or get the answers for you if I don't know them myself.

I see that Tilman provided you with numbers of what the VE and Parsoid teams are costing from the 2012/13 WMF budget which as he said isn't perfect; note that it also excludes the cost of the Wikia staff working on the project as well, without whom it would cost somewhat more.

On the "taking so long" front, it's probably not obvious just how hard both the VisualEditor and in particular the Parsoid projects are. It would be considerably faster and cheaper were we to abandon wikitext and start from scratch, but that would involve abandoning the entire corpus of Wikipedia, Wikibooks etc., or at best a mammoth effort for our communities to have to port content across; as you can imagine, this is not something we'd accept.

In terms of understanding how the projects are going, so far, I've been doing the regular monthly updates which go on the blog and which the Signpost covers occasionally, and I've been posting fortnightly status updates for both VisualEditor and Parsoid on the technical messages distribution list and the English Wikipedia's Village Pump. Where else do you think I should be highlighting the work (and are there other things you feel I should talk about in them)?

Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:41, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jdforrester, thanks so much for following up. Unfortunately I need to be off Wikimedia sites likely for the rest of today, but I'll try to get back to you by midday tomorrow. --Pine 19:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi again. Thanks for the links. The main way that I tried to get more information on the VE project was by asking people who work in WMF Engineering. I believe that I asked at least two staff and in each case I was told by these people, who are normally very knowledgeable about WMF, that they knew nothing about the VE's progress and/or that the VE team is relatively isolated from the rest of Engineering. That has been my main source of frustration and why I was feeling stonewalled. Separately, I've glanced at the WM Engineering Reports and for some reason I didn't realize that the bold blue section headers would also be wikilinks to places to get more information from MediaWiki, and that's my error for not realizing that the section headers were clickable. Thanks again for following up. --Pine 22:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
No problem at all. Sorry for my colleagues' not knowing; clearly I need to work harder on internal Foundation communications too! If you have any questions in future, please do ask. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 22:11, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


Thank you very much. --Kolega2357 (talk) 08:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

On fellowships and grantsEdit

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Thanks for signing up!Edit

Hi Pine - thanks for signing up on the Individual Engagement Grants Committee page! Was going to ping you and others about this today, and I'm so glad you beat me to it. I feel better knowing we've got at least one person committed from the start :-) More to follow on this soon. Siko (WMF) (talk) 20:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to thank you for the same. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
(: I'm looking forward to working with this committee. We have some very capable people who are signing up for the committee. I'm hopeful that some of the projects that apply for funding through IEG will deliver good value to Wikimedia projects and communities. --Pine 19:53, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Just here to thank you again for the invitation Pine, I've gone ahead and added my application to the page. Thehelpfulone 23:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the IEG CommitteeEdit

Hi Pine,
Thanks for being the first to sign up to join the Individual Engagement Grants Committee! It is my pleasure to confirm your membership. We’ve got a lot to accomplish together, particularly during the next 6 weeks, and it will be awesome to continue to have your help. Here is how to get started:

To make your membership official, please do 2 things by February 11th:

  1. Introduce yourself in the IdeaLab. (I think you already have one, actually!).
  2. Send your email address to IEGrants, so that we can subscribe you to the committee mailing list.

Then there are 2 first tasks' for active committee members to start on right away:

  1. Review information in the Committee Workroom (your new organizing hub on meta), including responsibilities and the review process. Feedback and questions are very welcome at this stage.
  2. Start giving feedback on open ideas, drafts and proposals. Asking questions to gather information you’ll need to make a recommendation helps prospective grantees think their projects all the way through, and will give us more great proposals to choose from.

Our formal review of proposals starts February 22nd. I’ll be posting information about scoring and selection of proposals on the committee mailing list and in the Workroom soon, so please keep an eye there!

Thanks again for joining this new grantmaking program...I hope we’re going to see some amazing impact from these grants! :-) Siko (WMF) (talk) 06:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Convidando o BrasilEdit

Pleas, I would ask your attention to the comments of the committee evaluation, thank you.Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 01:13, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you about the feedback, but:
Committee responsibilities


  1. Provide feedback on the talk page of grant proposals in all 3 stages: ideas, drafts, and final submissions.
I asked for feedback, as it was the primary responsibility of the committee (see), and especially to ameliorate the project. But some points that you had been raise, I could not use to improve the project, because they are vague or had errors, things that could be solved if you had asked "Is that what you mean?", or if you had said: "This point we had try to show this error.".
I found odd I be the only one trying to open a dialogue to improve the project based on your criticism, and is odd too, have all this trouble for someone give me a "hi"... Thank you again.Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 06:55, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Grantmaking BarnstarEdit

  Individual Engagement Grant Barnstar
Thanks for building the committee and leading this first round of review all the way through to the selection of a great group of grantees! I've valued your thoughtfulness and insights all along the way as we've planned and launched this new kind of grantmaking - this round would not have been anywhere near as productive without you, Pine. :-) Siko (WMF) (talk) 21:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! --Pine 23:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

March Grants NewsEdit

Grants News

Eight projects have been awarded grants in this pilot round of the Individual Engagement Grants program. You can read more about them in our blog post. Many thanks to everyone who participated in this round! We look forward to seeing even more of your ideas and input in preparation for round 2, which begins on August 1st.

Grants News is brought to you by the Wikimedia Grantmaking Team. You can change your subscription to this update on the list.

IEG BarnstarEdit

  Individual Engagement Grant Barnstar
Pine, thanks for continuing to keep us honest in IEG during round 2 :) Your questions and partnership in thinking things through are always useful. I hope to continue to benefit from your expertise in the future! Best wishes for a nice holiday, Siko (WMF) (talk) 00:36, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Upcoming IdeaLab Events: IEG Proposal ClinicsEdit

Hello, Pine! We've added Events to IdeaLab, and you're invited :)

Upcoming events focus on turning ideas into Individual Engagement Grant proposals before the March 31 deadline. Need help or have questions about IEG? Join us at a Hangout:

  • Thursday, 13 March 2014, 1600 UTC
  • Wednesday, 19 March 2014, 1700 UTC
  • Saturday, 29 March 2014, 1700 UTC

Hope to see you there!

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Re: WMF Annual Plan talk pageEdit

No objections from me. The two sections I added, however, were of little importance, I even planned to archive them. Didn't check the talk yet today. --Nemo 07:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Grants:IdeaLab/Cameras for Commons photographersEdit

Are you still interested in this idea, because I think it should be something to look into. At the same time, it might not be even a bad idea to expand it so that more people are covered, because of the scope of things. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Kevin Rutherford, the scale is currently small because this is a pilot program. If you have ideas for expansion please write them on the IdeaLab proposal's talk page. Thanks! --Pine 07:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense now. I didn't know if you wanted to go ahead and place it on the IdeaLab page as well, since it could draw people to the idea as well. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
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