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qqq

Can you tell me where this https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Addwatch/en message is displayed? Is this description "Link to a dialog box, displayed at the end of the list of categories at the foot of each page. https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Addwatch/qqq" up to date (used in link?) or out of date? --Sunpriat (talk) 15:51, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Sunpriat

It is used on a page displayed when JavaScript is not loaded: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Addwatch/en&action=watch&uselang=qqx

Hope this helps, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sunpriat: It appears that Trizek's description was accurate, and the existing qqq was inaccurate, so I've updated those messages at translatewiki:MediaWiki:Addwatch/qqq and translatewiki:MediaWiki:Removewatch/qqq. Cheers. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 17:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Trizek (WMF) and Quiddity (WMF): Ok, I understood where it is. Thanks for updating the description. There is a third message https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Confirm-purge-title - when we refresh the page, we use ?action=purge and see these messages even if js works. Can you add to the description that these messages are available on the action= links? --Sunpriat (talk) 10:39, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

@Sunpriat: Done. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF): Administrators with technical rights began to delete (create empty locally) these messages (they are headers) in the ruwiki. They say that these messages (like MediaWiki:Addwatch) duplicate explanatory texts (MediaWiki:confirm-watch-top https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Addwatch/en&action=watch&uselang=en). I believe that removing part of the universal interface is bad practice. Is it possible to make these texts more different or is it normal to delete them? --Sunpriat (talk) 10:39, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

@Sunpriat: I've filed a proposal at phab:T234354. Tweaks/comments welcome. Hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 17:25, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

SecurePoll extension

Hi Erica, last year you said you were going to write something about what needs to be done to revive the SecurePoll Mediawiki extension. Is that somewhere, or perhaps there is a phabricator ticket on it? EllenCT (talk) 06:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, EllenCT. While I was hoping to get an analysis of the tool and its needs, all I actually got, according to my records, was a confirmation that the tool is in need of attention and work not just from developers, but also from mw:Wikimedia Site Reliability Engineering people (hence why we went with Qualtrics for the ASBS elections). Staff who worked on mw:SecurePoll/Redesign is either no longer employed with us or has moved to other projects. SP does have its space on Phab, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/238/ (I see that the mw:Core Platform Team has edited the last tasks filed there, but don't know how much it's in scope for their work). Hope this helps. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Is there any risk that users will be forced to use Qualtrics to participate in the WMF board elections? That's a terrifying prospect. Nemo 07:32, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Any box of buttons to move between Newsletter issues?

Hi, as I enjoy translating Edit News, I wish to propose that we will add a box of buttons so that we smoothly move between previous/next issues. I am looking at Tech News for that idea. Do you think it be feasible to add such function? That way, we can follow how an open issue has progressed between each issue with one tap (literally).

Could you please have a look at m:Tech/News/2020/23, and the box I believe to be handy shows the text:

◀︎ previous  Issue title  next ▶︎ 
  published date

--Omotecho (talk) 21:05, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Omotecho, I'm handling that newsletter these days. I have no objection to navigation buttons. Do you know how to install them? (Please ping me.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Whatamidoing (WMF), Hello, wonderful you liked the idea. Let me ask for help with tech people, and my first try found me a correct page to consult. --Omotecho (talk) 03:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Note

user:Sunpriat, I emailed you. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:15, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Communicating in various languages

Hi Elitre,

I'm a little confused by your recent mass message, and hope that you can help me understand what went wrong. I know you're very dedicated to communicating with various language communities. You seem to have used MediaWiki Mass Delivery of this type of English language message, in various non-English fora, despite the fact that a translation was already available (and only linked in small-font at the bottom of the message). I know Commons has very limited interest in non-English communication, but it strikes me as particularly surprising that you choose to ignore the translation, and post the English version anyway on a forum that explicitely is designed for communication in that other language (in this case, French - but the same is true for various other languages). This is probably an oversight, and I hope you can correct it. Maybe it means that the messaging becomes a little more involved, but I'm guessing it would make it more likely that the content actually arrives. Thanks! Effeietsanders (talk) 22:33, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, Effeietsanders. The global list currently lists all those non-en VPs, and sadly the system doesn't yet understand which language should be used for each of them. If making ad-hoc lists was easier (in a way which means that no wiki gets lost or messaged twice, but also that I don't have to do dozens different batches), and if the delivery wasn't as bugged as it currently is, we'd all love to deliver the correct language to the correct venues - the link to Meta at least provides visibility into the fact that translations exist. I don't want to assume that folks coordinating on these various village pumps have a different home wiki where they are seeing the same message, and exposing it in English is better than keeping them in the dark entirely. I usually start such messages with the following string: Hello. Apologies for cross-posting, and that you may not be reading this message in your native language: translations of the following announcement may be available on XYZ. Please help translate to your language. Thank you!, which conveys the main message in the chosen interface language. However, this time I did not include it originally, so at the time of sending I did not want to "spoil" the several languages with already completed translations by showing them an irrelevant string. I may attempt to find time later to switch some of such messages with the right ones, unless people beat me to it. Talk to you soon, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 13:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

LintErrors

One of the goals of the Foundation is to remove errors on the pages. In ruviki it is difficult to achieve this goal. We have discussions in different namespaces. The discussions are then archived into separate pages. Pages with archives have a colored background. To do this, the participant puts a template with an opening div tag at the top of the page and its effect extends to the end of the page. In theory, the parser closes this tag at the end by itself. For example, an archive https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8/2020/06 . Coloring the entire background is like many small templates https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_programadores/Arquivo/2020/2 . The list of errors contains about a hundred thousand pages with such a problem, where the entire background is colored. If the participants just add a closing tag for all pages - a lot of unnecessary edits and this will be repeated in the future. If the participants create a js-script for the background - extra load and time to open the page for the reader. Can the Foundation give us the opportunity to color the entire background without using a template? If I create a request on the phabrikator, it will be considered a low priority or no one will answer for years. (I tried solution like this https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/2019/05#%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2%D1%8B_%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B7_%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T242260 ) And we will never make "Missing end tag" list of errors empty. Even a complex method would help, such as changing the "Page content model" by the administrator or the ability for administrators to set the background for the mw-parser-output tag via "templatestyle" (now templatestyle only works for elements inside mw-parser-output, but not mw-parser-output itself, and the page cannot have all the background colored). It is necessary at the Foundation level either to explicitly oppose the colored background or to give the ruviki the opportunity to set the background in another way. Without this, the ruviki will not move in the list of errors. --Sunpriat (talk) 12:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Whatamidoing (WMF), can you see if you are able to assist here perhaps, please? --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 07:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Privacy policy

The wikis have a link to the policy on the meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy (Except for enWP, mediawiki, meta). But the text on the meta differs from the text in the Foundation https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy . See a b c in the table in the Definitions section. --Sunpriat (talk) 10:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sunpriat, this has been fixed. There were some sections missed when the policies were synced up in 2018. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 20:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Confused

Hi, I'm confused because User:NNair (WMF) asked me to translate Universal Code of Conduct/Draft review/Invitation (long version) through email and send to Finnish Wikipedia which I did. In email I didn't get a link to the translatable page on Meta that you used to send the translations to wikis. After you sent the message to Finnish Wikipedia it was there in Finnish and in English, so I reverted it. Of course I don't blame you, just seems somewhere here is some communication problems. Stryn (talk) 18:07, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Stryn. The meta page to translate the message was set up after I had sent you the email. We first reached out to folks like yourself, who helped us with the UCoC draft translation and requested a translated message to invite the communities into the discussion, as early as possible. And then created a meta page to receive translations for the remaining languages. Ideally, Finnish Wikipedia shouldn’t have received an English message as we already had a Finnish one. But, it must have been miss while we sent mass-messages to hundreds of other Wikis to inform them about UCoC consultation. Thank you for reverting it.--NNair (WMF) (talk) 05:17, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Finance

If the community of any Wikipedia selects and approves a list of content that it needs from the enwiki. Literally articles or sections of articles that they agree to appear on their wiki. Moreover, these can be deeply scientific topics, for example, about mathematics. Can the WMF hire a translator or provide a grant to a translation company that the community trusts? Of course, here a limited quota can be allocated from the WMF and consent from the community, so that it decides whether it will use this quota or not. In the beginning, the quota can be small once a year or a one-time attempt. But some important and necessary topics, which only specialists understand, are difficult to fill only with the help of volunteers. In the language wikis, there are various internal initiatives where they post wishes for what just needs to be translated. I wonder if the WMF could help process these lists of important topics that have been a real mountain of red links for many years. Something like that: if you make a wish list within some limits, we will hire a professional translation company, regardless of its complexity, and this content will appear on your wiki. Could the WMF go for such a thing (considering all its principles)? I have looked at several pages related to the Finance team, but their discussions are never answered, there is a dead end, I do not know where I can ask this. Sunpriat (talk) 05:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

User:I JethroBT (WMF), I believe that our friend Sunpriat may be interested in grants, can you maybe help here? IIRC there were organizations in the past which have driven paid content translations campaigns, such as https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:Translation_task_force , so those may also be a good starting point. Best, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sunpriat: Thanks for your question about this need around translation and how Wikimedia Foundation grants may support it. Generally, we fund needs around translation that go beyond routine translation tasks that are normally handled by volunteers. This would include things like live translation, translation of project documentation and materials, and translation in languages where there aren't many volunteer translators to support that work. The factors you mention around translating highly technical articles that are practically difficult for volunteers to work on are helpful to understand here as well. The other key factor that is important is that there is broad community support around this, because communities are often sensitive to efforts to pay individuals for content creation. Sometimes, this kind of work can create conflict and tension within a community, which is not a productive outcome even if the translations have potential impact and value. To start, I would recommend starting community discussion the prospect of this kind of project with your community first for a small scale project. If there is broad support for this, I can see this kind of work being supported through the Rapid Grants program, where you would want to link to that prior community discussion. Also, if you would like to chat more about your idea or this process, please feel free to reach out to me at cschillingwikimedia.org. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 16:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)