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username name change EmeraldRS to Emerald-wiki


I requested this change yesterday and it was carried out, but I am still in a queue for approximayely 24 hours later, the Global rename progress for Emerald-wiki is shown as 'Done' for all the other local wikis. As a result I can't login using my old nor my new username. I suspect there is a problem, but the only advice I am receiving is to wait. Can you help me? I don't know any German, so I don't mind if is removed from my account if that allows me to login. 16:59, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Currently dewiki have some work in progress in the Job queue (19 items ATM through an API query) and that's probably the reason for your rename to be still pending. If by tomorrow it isn't finished, you may wish to ping @Hoo man: or @Legoktm: so they can see if something is going wrong. You can also ask on Stewards' noticeboard if somebody with more deep knowledge on the issue can give you further info. Best regards. -- M\A 19:17, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reassurance and suggestions. I'll try to be patient until tomorrow!! 19:25, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
@Emerald-wiki: It looks like the process is finished. Try to login with the new account name. Regards. -- M\A 10:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
It is all fixed thanks to Keegan (WMF), Legoktm, xeno and PrimeHunter at Village pump (technical). Something I don't understand had to be done to fix things, and it was done while I slept. Emerald-wiki (talk) 10:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
We're glad to hear that the issue has been resolved. Happy editting! -- M\A 19:22, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Steward election banners

I still see them, please disable. --Nemo 14:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

They are already disabled. Not sure why you still see them though. -- M\A 21:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
It's cache problem, I also seeing it on many small wikis, just clear it, you'll be fine, ah by the way, it's already cleared on #wikimedia-stewards channel. I think we can close this as resolved.--AldNonymousBicara? 09:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
phab:T88276 --Glaisher (talk) 15:14, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for a CentralNotice banner

Hi all! I would like some help to create a CentralNotice banner for the different activities Iberocoop is organizing for March regarding gender gap. The banner should be based on the design available here.

from March 7th to March 26th, 2015.
logged-in and anonymous users.
all Spanish projects, non geolocalized
text1: ¡Ayúdanos a reducir la brecha de género en Wikipedia!
text2: Participa en nuestro concurso de edición o súmate a una de nuestras actividades
left image: File:Mujeres Iberoamericanas logo.svg

Thanks a lot, Osmar Valdebenito, B1mbo (talk) 04:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

How is this banner? (edit banner link) Please add it to CentralNotice/Calendar too. Here's the campaign, which is not yet enabled but can be easily turned on if desired. PiRSquared17 (talk) 04:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks @PiRSquared17:, seems great! If you can activate it, would be much better! --Osmar Valdebenito, B1mbo (talk) 23:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
@B1mbo:   Hecho. PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:34, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Removal opposition comments from the main page to the talk page

Can an administrator oversee the discussion on the page: Bring_positive_discrimination_to_Wikipedia. The opposition to the proposal is directed to the talk page. This gives the false impression that the idea has only endorsements. Wereldburger758 (talk) 06:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess (hope) the staffers who evaluate this know the concept of their pages. --MF-W 23:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Several of us have voiced the same concerns as can be seen on the talk page of the Idea labs and have basically been told to pound sand. That is why I removed my name from anything to do with those projects and won't be commenting there actively anymore. There is too much manipulation of the outcome of those projects for them to be successful. Reguyla (talk) 23:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I didn't move it myself but, as I pointed out in one of the discussions that happened after they were moved, this isn't a new rule. It is one of the ways the Idea labs program had when it was set up originally. I honestly think it makes some sense and doesn't limit the opposition in any severe way. The discussion and opposition is still easily findable for the committee(s) deciding grants and the list of endorsements usually ends up making it clear as well ( the most popular grant ideas end up with long lists of support while others end with only a few, if any). Jalexander--WMF 04:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Regardless of how the format was originally set up, hiding the opposes on a separate page does make them less accessible and (IMO) needlessly breaks up the discussion. Ajraddatz (talk) 04:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The interesting part about humans was that they misapprehended their wrong acts as legitimate when it was left unpunished for years, even though illegal acts were statutory. - quoted from somewhere. I think we have a similar case here.--AldNonymousBicara? 14:12, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I am against removal of opposing comments, but there's really nothing we (= Meta admins) can do. It's an IdeaLab page, they have their own guidelines, and Meta doesn't need to observe NPOV (unlike Wikipedia). The same thing happened on a non-WMF page I tried to add an opposition section to, Talk:Letter_to_Wikimedia_Foundation:_Superprotect_and_Media_Viewer#Disapproval_section (note: I support the letter, but added the opposition section for those who didn't) PiRSquared17 (talk) 14:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for a CentralNotice banner (GR)

Hi all! I would like some help to create a CentralNotice banner. I put a request on Talk:CentralNotice/Calendar#Banner for March 2015 but seems it was the wrong place and there is a deadline.

from March 7th to March 14th, 2015.
logged-in and anonymous users.
projects: all
languages: el, en
geolocated to: GR (Greece)
en text1: Wikipedia Lab in Thessaloniki!
en text2: Open editing workshops, starting Saturday 14 March 2015.
el text1: Wikipedia Lab στη Θεσσαλονίκη!
el text2: Ανοιχτό σεμινάριο εκμάθησης, με έναρξη το Σάββατο 14 Μαρτίου 2015.
left image: File:Wikipedia-Lab.png

Thanks. -Geraki TL 11:11, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

@Geraki:   Done campaign, banner, preview. I enabled it because it's past your start date. Also, in the future, please request here first, not on the calendar page (although you should make sure you add this to the calendar page too). PiRSquared17 (talk) 12:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! --Geraki TL 13:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I needed some minutes to figure it. Adblock Plus is blocking wikimedia banners! Shouldn't we do something? What else ad blockers are doing it? -Geraki TL 13:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's intentional (i.e., a feature, not a bug). There's probably nothing we can do, because AFAIK the whole point of extensions like that is to block ads, and they might consider banners like this to be ads, especially with the recent invasive WMF fundraising banners. PiRSquared17 (talk) 13:58, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
AFAIK It's intentional, CN Banner deemed too invasive.--AldNonymousBicara? 14:10, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The WMF could pay to get around Adblock if they were so inclined. Killiondude (talk) 20:26, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
And this is exactly why people are migrating to Adblock Edge and (to a lesser extent) µBlock. PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Insult page in IdeaLab

An editor has created a sarcastic Inspire campaign idea RFID chips and Gender Imbalance Reconstitution Computer. PEarley_(WMF), Ocaasi and I have all marked this page for speedy deletion. The page creator has reverted us every time. Could someone delete this page please? Best, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 20:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Unified login in other languages

Apparently, there is a username blacklist on some but not all Wikipedia domains that does not allow me to have the word "Wikipedia" in the username. For example, when I try to log in on German or French Wikipedia, it doesn't allow access (although I have completed SUL unification). I can't locally create "The Average Wikipedian" on these Wikipedias either due to the blacklist. I don't want to have to log in and out when accessing these different Wikipedias, so I asked for help on the help desk on the English Wikipedia. After some misunderstanding (see relevant discussion section 1.9 and the link to the previous question) I realised that I have requested for the wrong thing on the French Wikipedia (after failing the username rename). If I wish to retain this username and still be able to log in to the Wikipedias with the blacklist (though I am not sure exactly how many don't allow my username), what is the move I should take? The Average Wikipedian (talk) 16:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The global title blacklist allows having the word "wikipedian" in your username. From a quick look, I can't find any entry on dewiki that matches your username but found that frwiki's title blacklist has such an entry. I'll ask someone to update it there. --Glaisher (talk) 16:58, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I've made a request to update the frwiki entry. Also found the culprit at dewiki as well; will ask to change that as well. :) --Glaisher (talk) 17:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Done for frwiki. It's just a temporary fix tho. DarkoNeko (talk) 17:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I haven't received any response from a dewiki sysop on IRC and have to go now. @DerHexer: might be able to help. --Glaisher (talk) 18:29, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
It looks like local username blacklists will be deprecated soon. We'll only have the global blacklist for blacklisting usernames. See phab:T38939. --Glaisher (talk) 03:59, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Requesting MassMessage access

I'm requesting MassMessage access to email message Wikipedia Signpost notifications to subscribers when our bot is down. I'm one of the editors-in-chief of the Signpost; our previous EIC also was granted access. FWIW, I'm also an en:wiki admin. Thank you. Gamaliel (talk) 20:48, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

@Gamaliel: temporary? If so, until when?--AldNonymousBicara? 20:55, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
@Aldnonymous: I'm the previous editor-in-chief and have had access since the Edwardsbot days. This would be an indefinite userright; he could give it up if/when he leaves the position, but no one knows when that will be.
This isn't something he'd use often, as normally we have a script doing this for us. Unfortunately, that script is currently broken. Ed [talk] [en] 21:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
  Done, until it's no longer needed (or that bot/script is fixed), just tell us when Gamaliel no longer needs it.--AldNonymousBicara? 21:24, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Central Notice to get the word out about the superprotect RfC

I really don't know what info I need to give, but could someone post up a central notice for Requests_for_comment/Superprotect_rights? --AmaryllisGardener talk 22:10, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

I disagree on setting up a central notice for this. Fine with a mass message though. Disclaimer: I haven't been following this RFC so I might not know the latest developments regarding it. --Glaisher (talk) 09:40, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
The latest development seems to be that someone stumbled across it after it had been inactive for 5–6 months, and I guess they hope to stir things up again. Anomie (talk) 13:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
I feel this would be an inappropriate use of CentralNotice, and would likely stir up tensions with WMF. --Rschen7754 13:48, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. We've never (or at least only very very rarely) used CN to advertise a RFC here. I guess, that is only a "problem" for the bigger wikis, smaller projects don't always care much about MediaWiki stuff and are less likely hit by superprotect. I guess for the bigger projects a watchlist notice or local sitenotice will help, if they want to advertise this RFC. -Barras talk 15:15, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Ajraddatz suggested that a centralnotice would be better for this than posting to a page on most wikis. I figured that most people that could put up the notice would refuse to. --AmaryllisGardener talk 18:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Some people seem to think that this is a big issue deserving of widespread attention. I personally disagree, but wanted to put the option out there. A massmessage could work as well as a less-intrusive option. Ajraddatz (talk) 18:27, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
There was one already sent out several months ago; I saw it when doing AAR. --Rschen7754 19:02, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

mark SUL personal announcement for translation

Please mark these edits for translation. The message isn’t correct without the information that lots of users who shall be renamed can just merge their accounts into a global one. Those users never had a global account and should and will not be renamed, if they just merge their accounts (or if that perhaps can be done automatically?). @DerHexer: Why wasn’t there any automatically message yet to tell users that they shall merge their accounts? I never got such a message (except one from you manually, but that’s not the automatically message for all of those users that I mean). There even hasn’t been any message to tell the users that they should put an e-mail address into the preferences, so that the global accounts can be created automatically. I thought that should come in december, but there never was any such message. I think there is something missing, before the renaming process should come. Why is this so? --Winternacht (talk) 16:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

{{done}}.--AldNonymousBicara? 17:06, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the actual text which is being sent won't be updated. The finalized text which is being sent is somewhere on Phabricator. Regarding, Winternacht not receiving any talk page message yet, it only started today, I think. Since it's being sent to a lot of users, there might be some delay. --Glaisher (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Service: phab:P398. —DerHexer (Talk) 17:51, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
@Aldnonymous: Do you intend to fix all translations since you seem to have invalidated all, even the plain "Hello!" message? Vogone (talk) 18:09, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
@Vogone: Errr, I see it was fine here [1], where was the problem?--AldNonymousBicara? 18:12, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
[2], [3], etc. Anyway, since these messages apparently aren't to be changed Winternacht's change likely has to be reverted and thus also your mark-up. Vogone (talk) 18:20, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
It’s better that users get the correct message with a correct text in English than a wrong text in the language of the wiki. Why shall users request renames who only can merge their accounts into a global one? That makes no sense, sorry. --Winternacht (talk) 18:24, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Hm? Translating "Hello" usually does not require too much effort. Since translators ideally do not translate literally, the question if "!" or "," is used, should be irrelevant to the translations at least. There is absolutely no need to let translators re-translate "Hello!" Vogone (talk) 18:31, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
@Vogone: I've changed it back and now, was this Winternacht change wrong or not? btw gonna validate all translation now.--AldNonymousBicara? 18:29, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
I wouldn't say it is wrong per se, but as Glaisher said it is very unlikely to be updated and thus any changes would be without effect and thus waste translator's time. Vogone (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
The change of Nemo bis was wrong, it isn’t always another person who has the same user name. And it simply isn’t always necessary to rename the accounts. It’s a wrong information which is sent to lots of users now, that’s it. What will you do, when those users ask for renames who simply could merge their accounts into a global one? That’s the question. And why is there nowhere any message for those users that they shall merge their accounts themselves? I don’t understand that the users don’t get such a message, but only are told that they must rename their accounts which is wrong. Can anyone tell me, why lots of users shall get or are getting wrong messages now? What is the benefit of those wrong messages? --Winternacht (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to make Keegan aware of your concerns. Simply editing this page will not change much, unfortunately. Vogone (talk) 18:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Good idea, I will ping him here: @Keegan:. Let’s see, what will happen. --Winternacht (talk) 18:48, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Wrong account name, better once more: @Keegan (WMF): --Winternacht (talk) 18:52, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

This change of Nemo bis was wrong, because there he changed „your account clashes with another account“ into „another person is using your same username“. It’s right that my account here clashes with another account of mine at dewiki, but it’s simply wrong that another person is using the same username on dewiki. So lots of users are receiving wrong texts now and they don’t get the message that they should merge their accounts, if they can. I think they will wonder about such a message. And why should they rename their accounts just because they don’t have a global account and could just merge their local accounts? What can be done against that that they don’t merge their accounts anymore, but are asked to rename their other local accounts? That doesn’t make any sense this way, sorry. --Winternacht (talk) 18:21, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Is it perhaps possible to send another second message to all those users, where there is any global account yet, with the information that they perhaps can create a global account? There is missing any link to the special page, where users can merge their accounts. In the end, all stewards will have to deal with this wrong information and maybe there will be unnecessary renaming requests and also unnecessary renames. The WMF has made a mistake here, because they missed to inform all those users which can create global accounts before this renaming message. I don’t know, why this hasn’t been done. There has been a plan to do such things some months ago, but there never was such a message anywhere. Something must have gone wrong, but why? --Winternacht (talk) 18:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Ask User:Keegan (WMF), he is responsible for all these messages and may answer all your questions. Vogone (talk) 18:48, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
He can tell here, what will happen with that problem. I think that might also be of interest for sysops and stewards here. And they’re watching this page, but not necessarily the talk page of Keegan. --Winternacht (talk) 19:06, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

@Winternacht: Hi there, let's see if we can answer these questions.

  • The message isn’t correct without the information that lots of users who shall be renamed can just merge their accounts into a global one. Those users never had a global account and should and will not be renamed, if they just merge their accounts (or if that perhaps can be done automatically?
  • Correct, that can be and was done automatically. There are no users being contacted who are eligible for a global account, this was done automatically last fall by script.
  • Why wasn’t there any automatically message yet to tell users that they shall merge their accounts?
  • This can be and was done automatically, all accounts that were unattached that shared a username with a global account had passwords and emails checked against them (where available) and eligible unattached accounts were automatically merged into their global one. I see that your account is not global, if it was and you had not merged this meta account into your global account, this would have been done for you already, for example.
  • And why should they rename their accounts just because they don’t have a global account and could just merge their local accounts? What can be done against that that they don’t merge their accounts anymore, but are asked to rename their other local accounts?
  • You cannot merge local accounts with each other and not have a global account created. In cases where this was possible, it's already automatically been done. There will be a tool post-finalization that will allow stewards to merge contributions of accounts to unify identities that are fragmented. Nothing fixes that at the moment.
  • What will you do, when those users ask for renames who simply could merge their accounts into a global one?
  • As I just outlined above, this has already occurred automatically. There are no accounts being contacted that are technically eligible for this.

Additionally, we contacted 81,000 accounts with unconfirmed email addresses to ask them to confirm their address and merge their accounts. Unconfirmed emails were the only ones we were unable to do by script. I hope this clears things up for you. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:10, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Make an updated version of MediaWiki

Request for deleting my user page

Hello there. Please completely delete my user page. Thanks. Tantalos (talk) 20:44, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

  Done. --Stryn (talk) 21:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Oversight policy/Requests for oversight

Please mark this page for translation.--GZWDer (talk) 05:34, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

  Done Glaisher (talk) 05:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Reporting against a “harmful action”


Hi, I made a mistake and registered three times a grant for Inspire program [4] which tripled the text on the page. I tried to remove the two unnecessary versions which was apparently flagged as a “harmful action”. What should I do? Thank you, Lfurter (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

You were caught by an abusefilter rule anyway I did the fix you were trying to do. --Vituzzu (talk) 21:46, 29 March 2015 (UTC)