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Global blocking of open proxies

Hello, due to a concern raised at d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Administrator/HaroldBot (and barely touched at the long-closed w:Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/ProcseeBot), is there any steward willing to undergo the task of either globally blocking open proxies in bulk (maybe from a list generated and reported by a bot) or in support of having a bot do it? It would be in compliance with No open proxies, and along with reducing the need for multiple local blocks per proxy, would help to minimise xwiki abuse.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  04:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that it is impossible to reliably determine that a particular IP is an open proxy unless you actually try to make a connection through it. So, it is not clear how your bot is going to test them. Even in this case the massive blocking of open proxies will lead to a significant overblocking of many legitimate users as open proxies constantly appear and go and IPs that once were open proxies may be given to legitimate users. You will need to redo checks fairly frequently to minimize this problem. In addition, many so called open proxies simply arise due to errors in configuration and may not be a threat to our projects. Ruslik (talk) 06:23, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Ruslik and don't think it is necessary to block open proxies which do not abuse. --MF-W 16:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Ruslik's arguments are quite interesting and I completely agree with MF-W. The risk to block non-proxies or former proxies, and thus preventing regular contributors from editing, is too high for automated (g)blockig. Regards, Vogone talk 17:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

If I understand how ProcseeBot works correctly (which I very well may not), it independently verifies that a proxy is open before blocking.70.20.24.214 17:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, or at least that's what slakr said on the BRFA.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  02:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Massive sysop abuse in ce.wikipedia

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

See Requests_for_comment/Massive_sysop_abuse_in_Chechen_Wikipedia. Ruslik (talk) 15:02, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Prehistory. Current sysops of Chechen Wikipedia are:

1. Not objective in the basic social realities and historical events. They still write that "Ichkeria" is an independent state and they "know nothing abouth Chechnya as a part of Russia".
2. ... permanently banned users with large contributions without warnings and discussions. Also, this user in 2 days gonna take the sysop permission so it is nothing but the instrument of political games - ban of the opponent.
3. ... remove discussion page in the Request for adminship, with the votes of users.
4. ... block for editions all "hot" articles about Chechnya for non-sysop users.
5. They know nothing about Non-free images
6. Also, many of the current sysops take their permissions without discussions. For example, user Dagger - if you show me those discussion pages, I will be grateful.
7. Pre-prehistory--Soul Train (talk) 12:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
8. Another non-free file uploading without link and authors from Dagger.--Soul Train (talk) 13:34, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• + Dagger rolls back my edits in ce-wiki where I delete the flag of a nonexistant state from the Template:Hello without reason. Saint Johann (ru) 14:56, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

  And also writes on user (not Talk) page :) Sysop...--Soul Train (talk) 14:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• And now we got it: the RFA page blanked and protected; the only reason given by the new admin is that they are not going to discuss the RFA of Дагиров Умар.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Восстановлена моя страница обсуждение где бюрократ Sasan700 называл меня козлом и позволил себе говорить о половых органах моих предков до 7 поколение. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 18:51, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Коьрта агlона лакхен борз

Хьажа хlай газа хьо ма йар йолу! Аса хьай де тlян д1адохуьтур ду хьун ахьа кхи нохчийн байракх кху чура д1айакхахь, йа гlаскхашна бохкабелчера байракх тохахь! хьа хlу гlулкх ду? хьуна йа нохчийн маттахь язда ца хаьа! хьо гlаскхий безаш даладолуш зуд ду! хьай вархlа де тlян далларг ма бе кху чохь бид... борша доцу хьоза.

Я сан дийцаре аг1онан чохь кхи хийцамаш ма бе, ахьа бина болу бид гуш lаш вар со, со хьуна тlекхочур вац мет хьуна? хьо зуд мичахь lашду хиан суна, ахьа кхучура когаш ца бахь аса доца дуьцур ду хьеца!Sasan700(A,Д) 22:45, 27 нажи бутт 2012 (UTC).. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 18:54, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Аса хьай де тlян д1адохуьтур ду хьун. Угроза. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 18:55, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• Also, please see recent deletions in ce-wiki. Saint Johann (ru) 21:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

  Ask the stewards to pay attention to the behavior of the Chechen Wikipedia administrators as you can tolerate the threats and insults. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 21:58, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• + 87.106.143.252 need to check, because he has unhealthy interest to Umar' person. I think that this can be one of sysops in ce-wiki. Saint Johann (ru) 22:13, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• Can I ask if the stewards are planning to do anything about this? I find that an admin deleting their own request for rights removal page to be a serious conflict of interest. [1] --Rschen7754 23:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

They really killed me to create this page with my data. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 02:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• ... Кто вам дал права чтобы здесь голосовать? идите и голосуйте в своей русской википедии! Translate: Who gives you the right to voting here? Go to your Russian Wikipedia and vote there! Very "tolerate" administrators.--Soul Train (talk) 06:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
• Stewards, where are you!?--Soul Train (talk) 06:41, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Hi. Stewards are currently reviewing the case, which needs more than a couple of minutes. Please hold on, we didn't forget you. Regards, -- Quentinv57 ^(talk) 10:56, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

    Great to hear, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:05, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Just for history. Permissions withdrawal requests page was deleted in Chechen Wikipedia by user Kade. I request to restore the page and remove sysop permissions from this user immediately. Also he blocked for editions Requests for adminship page and removed all discussions at Dagirov Umar's request. And also he deleted Requests for bureaucratship page--Soul Train (talk) 07:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry I do not know what to do next. --Дагиров Умар (talk) 10:02, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I wonder who could have done it. --Дагиров Умар (talk) 10:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Jy he used my pictures to humiliate me. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 10:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

And he gave me a link. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 10:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, and now those guys started blindly reverting our contributions for these three days, does not matter whether the edits are sensible or not. I am not anymore interested in making any contributions to this project until they retain advanced permissions.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:41, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I have left a message for Dagger at ce:Декъашхон_дийцаре:Dagger#Your_block_of_.D0.94.D0.B0.D0.B3.D0.B8.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B2_.D0.A3.D0.BC.D0.B0.D1.80 and I find his comments problematic -- not just for himself, but for all ce.wp sysops. Unless these sysops are willing to come across to Meta to explain themselves, a project wide desysop of all bureaucrats and admins would obviously be the only answer. :( Russavia (talk) 17:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Answer. Saint Johann (ru) 19:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Saint Johann was banned for this request. Just for trying to remove un-encyclopedic materials and non-free content from Ce-Wikipedia. I also was banned there just because I reverted editions of user Lezgistxa in the article about Lezgi language where he put the Latin alphabet. Lezgi writing language based only on Cyrillic alphabet. I am administrator of Lezgi Wikipedia, but Lezgistxa was banned in Lezgi Wikipedia by other administrators of Lezgi descent for his mystifications. Yes, it was edit war, but I don't think that it is a good reason for banning user for 6 months without permission to edit own Talk page (Lezgistxa was not banned). And, of course, I request to ban Lezgistxa (another accounts - User:Namik555, User:LNSA, and many others) in all projects! But this is different story...--Soul Train (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

  Who will be next? Russavia? Generous?--Soul Train (talk) 22:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm growing increasingly concerned with the complete lack of meaningful response from the stewards regarding this matter. It has been at least a week since this issue has begun, and the stewards have not done anything about the matter. --Rschen7754 22:44, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Stewards have no clear authority to act in this matter, see our role described at Stewards. That said we are discussing it, as noted above by steward Quentinv57. At this point of time there is one perspective presented here, and we are seeking further information. It takes time. Best we can say is that is being discussed. Stewards are not an ArbCom, other disputes internal to wikis have been discussed through RFC. In the end stewards are given authority to act or to injunct through direction from a broad community consensus. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:21, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

• And that was my last edition on my TP: "I do respect those people who I deem to be respected. I'm doing what I think is necessary. I live in the free country, in the free world, and I use the free internet. And Wikipedia is the Free Encyclopedia. Unfortunately, you don't know about it. (I hope), it can be corrected." This is quite pathetic, but we just want the freedom to Wikipedia. This is not about Russian-Chechen war in 1990s, not about Kremlin, terrorists and even not about Russia. It is about the Principles of our international project.--Soul Train (talk) 22:58, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

• At a glance it seems to be definitely a Chechens vs. Russians war, nor us as stewards, nor the Foundation, nor any Wikimedian can act in order to make one of the two parties win this war which is, definitely, a negation of the second pillar of Wikipedia.--Vituzzu (talk) 23:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

  For years the best practice for userrights management on small wikis has been avoiding local bureaucrats and rather using temporary ones. From an external point of view Cechen Wikipedia seems to be caught in a sort of cul-de-sac since current active community seems to be now different from the one which got rights in the past. So, in accordance with other Stewards, within three days after notifying my intention I'll remove local permanent rights asking people to reapply for a temporary, renowable adminship, I also plan a review of last blocks, as a premise to an rfc with both sides here, on meta. --Vituzzu (talk) 00:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

  "Chechens vs. Russians war" - And why do we protect the rights of Chechens - Dagirov Umar and Simba16? Uh?!--Soul Train (talk) 06:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

  I like the idea of clean slate in removing all admins and bureaucrats; no requests for a month (cool off); and then normal process of the community nomination and reaching a consensus for future temporary admins. Review all recent blocks. Sounds like a plan. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

  I think this sounds good too. :) --Rschen7754 01:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

  +1. Good plan.--Soul Train (talk) 06:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

  Certainly a good idea.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• I also request to remove and hide my blocking. It was absolutely unlawfully.--Soul Train (talk) 07:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
• They just delete, not archivate, notifications.--Soul Train (talk) 07:55, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

  They screw up in many places - see for example the edit history of this redirect, which was just deliberately broken, and on top of this blocks now a page move back to the Cyrillic name - but let us discuss it after we will get a chance to contribute. The proposed decision is very much reasonable, and I am looking forward to a friendly environment over there.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:20, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

  Cutting off useless requests is a good step, no blocklog will be hid nor I personally care of any deleted notif. --Vituzzu (talk) 13:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

  Via Dagger's talk page, I have left a note of the proposed means forward if there is no resolution. I have also asked him to let that be known to the broader community, and I have left direction to this page. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:33, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• Проблема в Че-Вики началась тогда, когда Умар пришел в раздел и начал делать изменения, ни одна "статья" написанная им не была написана без ошибок. Ты мне показал статью Юрт-Аух, и этим ты аргументируешь его знания чеченского языка?! Уметь говорить, не значит уметь писать, понимаешь?! Ты знаешь сколько грубых ошибок именно в этой статье? Про вандализм Умара уже сказано, он не будет в Мете признаваться виновным, когда мы его предупредили, он сказал, что больше не будет выставлять эту фотку, и по аудио связи мы сним говорили, он признал свою вину, но он это сейчас будет отрицать, ибо его цель любыми путями стать Администратором на Че-Вики. Когда я ему сделал замечание на счёт исправлений "Чечня" на "Россия" он сказал, что он находится в России и не может писать иное, это говорит о том, что этого человека движет страх или он кем-то специально подталкивается, или он поддерживает Ичкерию, но боится об этом говорить. Если кто-то полезит в русскую или английскую версию Вики и начнёт делать исправления с ошибками, ему это позволят?! Почему из Че-Вики должны делать проходной двор и засорять мусором?! Если ты мне приведешь человека который будет писать лучше меня на чеченском, я ничего не скажу, но с кандидатурой Умара я крайне не согласен как и остальные участники. Я вполне могу сказать, что цель этой затеи с самого начала убрать с сайта чеченский флаг принятый в 1991 году Парламентом Чеченской Республики Ичкерия, так как против Ичкерии ведётся не только физическая борьба но и информационная на всех уровнях. Я в свою очередь обязался не допускать оскорблений в адрес России, или кого либо на чеченской версии Вики, но никем я не был услышен. На сайте делаются необоснованные изменения связанные с Чечней, мотивируя это лишь фактами которые напечатал Кремль. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

The problem Che Vicki began when Umar came to the section and started to make changes, no "article" written by him was not written correctly. You showed me an article Yurt Auch, and that you argumentiruesh his knowledge of the Chechen language? Able to speak, not to be able to write, you know? You know exactly how many blunders in this article? About vandalism Umar said, he would not be held guilty in Meta, when we had been warned, he said he would no longer stand this picture, and audio communication we will remove said he admitted his guilt, but he will now be denied because its goal by any means to administer on Che-wiki. When I made a comment to him at the expense of fixes, "Chechnya" to "Russia", he said that it is in Russia and could not write otherwise, it is said that this man is driven by fear, or he pushed someone special, or does it support Ichkeria, but is afraid to talk about it. If someone reached into the Russian or English version of Wiki and will make corrections to errors, it will allow him to? Why, of Che-wiki should make passing yard debris and litter? If you bring a man who I will write better than me in the Chechen, I will not say anything, but the candidacy of Umar I highly disagree as other participants. I can well say that the goal of this venture from the beginning to remove from the site of the Chechen flag was adopted in 1991 by the Parliament of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, as against Ichkeria is not only a physical struggle and information at all levels. I, in turn, obliged to prevent insults to Russia, or anyone on the Chechen version of the wiki, but no one I did not hear you. The site makes unreasonable changes linked to Chechnya, citing only the facts that are printed Kremlin. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Soul Train начал делать изменения и вставлять шаблоны на удаление, зачем? Кораны из Суры он посчитал ненужными, тогда когда в Че-Вики мало статей, если и их удалить, то колличесто откатится назад. Весь вклад который могут сделать эти участники которые затеяли этот спор, это удаление и изменение! Никто из них не умеет писать по чеченски! Soul Train презренно удалял каждое слово "Джохар", вернее начал сомной "войну откатов" не понимая смысл предложения в который было написано слово "Джохар". Эти люди хотят просто убрать упоминание о Ичкерии и Джохаре, больше ничего им не нужно.

Дагиров Умар говорит, что мы создали блог в которой размещено его фото, по каким основаниям он нас обвиняет? В таком случаи, я говорю, что этот блог создал сам Дагиров Умар, чтобы пожаловаться на нас в хулиганстве и вандализме, этим самым добиться снятия с нас флажков.

Мы работает над проектом, есть план на развитие, и в ближайшем будущем Чеченская Википедия станет неузнаваемой в прямом смысле, конечно если нам дадут поработать. Официальный язык общения на Чеченской Википедии является чеченский язык, но эти люди говорят только по русски. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Soul Train began to make changes and insert templates for deletion, why? Quran from Surah he considered unnecessary, then when Che Vicki few articles, if they were removed, Nuber setback. All contributions that can be made, these participants who started the argument, this removal and change! None of them knows how to write for the Chechen! Soul Train contemptible delete every word "Johar", or rather began chromosomal "war kickbacks" not understanding the meaning of the sentence in which it was written the word "Johar". These people just want to remove the mention of Ichkeria and Jowhar, nothing they do not need.

Dagirov Umar says that we have created a blog which posted a photo of him, on what grounds he accuse us? In that case, I say that this blog is created by myself Dagirov Umar to complain to us of hooliganism and vandalism, thereby work towards removing us from the flags.

We are working on a project to develop a plan, and in the near future Chechen Wikipedia become unrecognizable in the literal sense, of course, if they give us work. The official language of communication in the Chechen Chechen language Wikipedia is, but these people only speak Russian. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

"Soul Train начал делать изменения и вставлять шаблоны на удаление" Let we start from the fact that it was user Saint Johann, and the article about Grozny city also renamed by Saint Johann. o_O--Soul Train (talk) 09:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Когда мы говорим, что Умар занимался вандализмом на Чеченской Википедии, все говорят предоставить доказательства, а когда Умар обвиняет нас в том, что мы создали блог, то доказательства не нужны? Не надо играть на одну сторону или крутить политику двойных стандартов, Умар не святая корова. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

When we say that Umar doing vandalism on Wikipedia, Chechen, they all say to provide evidence, and when Umar accuses us of what we have created a blog, the evidence is not necessary? Do not play on one side or twist of double standards, Umar no holy cow. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Umar is not administrator at the moment, but you are. And when you block somebody, you must have the serious reason. IPs that put porno images in the articles of Ce-WP were not Russian IPs and Umar was in Russia at the moment so it can't be Umar. This is the simple things, but all of you said that it was Umar. Don't you understand that your arguments so ridiculous and every Steward can technically check this fact?--Soul Train (talk) 09:24, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Я не могу зайти с профиля Dagger в Мета Вики, поэтому пишу с другой учетной записи, которая не используется мной. Она создана для того, чтобы заходить в определенное время или в определенных местах, чтобы сохранить безопасность для профиля с администраторским флажком. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I can not go to the profile Dagger in Meta wiki, so I write from a different account, which is not used by me. It is designed to go at certain times or in certain places, to maintain security for the profile with administrator flag.16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)Qonax (talk)

Discussions on the removal of articles and users are, but only in the Chechen language. Without discussion we remove the article that clearly are missing or are not written in Chechen. If you are unsure of the Chechen language, we are not to blame. If you want to write articles on the Chechen wikipedia then no you do not interfere, provided that the articles are written in a literary Chechen language and it does not need admin rights. Mega programmer (talk) 16:05, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Soul Train в оскорбительной форме обвинил меня в "бесстыжей лжи" из-за того, что я исправил его ошибку на чеченском языке. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Soul Train in an insulting manner accused me of being "shameless lies" because I corrected his mistake in Chechen. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, ALL dictionaries use "пуьчаш" (which you claim is wrong). Just google it. It looks like you speak Chechen but none of the authors of the dictionaries does. And your objection to Soul Train was "Who are you that I should explain you anything".--Ymblanter (talk) 16:23, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I use exactly this dictionary that your leader, Sasan700, uploaded to Chechen Wikipedia. I correct the misstake in the article about Australia and you said that I'm wrong. So I'm ask you again, Dagger, who is tho fool - two authors of the dictionary, Sasan700 who uploaded this dictionary, I am, who using this dictionary corrected the misstake, or you who saying that we all wrong? :)--Soul Train (talk) 09:14, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

На Чеченской Википедии языком общения является литературный чеченский язык, соответственно статьи составляются только на литературном. Сам чеченский язык состоит из 9 и более диалектов, но в литературе используется только нохчмахкхоевский диалект, и на литературном чеченском языке ложь это "пуьТаш" или "эшпаш". Qonax (talk) 22:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia on Chechen language of communication is a literary Chechen language, respectively heading is only literary. Chechen language itself consists of 9 or more dialects, but the literature is only nohchmahkhoevsky dialect, and in the literary Chechen lie is "puTash" or "eshpash." Qonax (talk) 22:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

As I understand, stewards, foreign users, bots and others must write their messages in literary Chechen language (without misstakes) there, bacause in "Wikipedia on Chechen language of communication is a literary Chechen language". Otherwise, they will be blocked. I just write your message agein, Dagger. Nice. OK. It is very cool rule, I do respect it, you doing your job well :)--Soul Train (talk) 11:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Participants of the Russian wiki started mass terror against of Caucasian Wikipedia, and now they are complaining that they have blocked. they create a page in the Chechen and Lezgian wiki in Russian page tihis vandalism.Namik555 (talk) 23:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• Namik555 is another account of user Lezgistxa as well as LNSA and others.--Soul Train (talk) 10:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Here is an example of creating in Russian pages Lezghin Wikipedia lez:Шаблон:Infobox, page lez:Лезгияр This list will be very long. From the fact that I have them I delete blocked. Namik555 (talk) 12:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

• Hi! Thanks for informing me about some complaints on me. I will try to write in short. I would like to add starting from (Дагиров Умар) Dagirov Umar. This client doesn't know the Chechen language was blocked for posting empty pages in 2009. He even tried to contact me and asked me for permission to make him administrator. In my turn, I decided not to reply at all since he doesn't speak or write Chechen language. When I ignored him, he started uploading porno pictures trying to say how dirty the administration is and tried to complain on me again and again. Unfortunately, he got his rights as administrator to continue publishing in wikipedia. I even told him that time not to make any changes because of his first level school speaking of his knowledge in Chechen language. He is been deleting lots of stuff and right now, if no one else will extend his administrator's permission, he will leave wikipedia. In some time he disapeared, but then he appeared back again with some "friends" and they created a page where they voted. Some of them were blocked later. Kade told me about this. I, as many other participants of Chechen wikipedia, support positive movements of participant Kade. Anyone as Stuart would do the same thing. I, personally, have nothing against those participants who benefit the page in wikipedia. Instead, I'm welcoming more and more smart people, by advertising page using my own money, trying to invite more and more of those who can speak clearly Chechen language without mistakes.

With respect. --Sasan700 (talk) 13:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Blocking of Dagirov Umarov, Soul Train and Saint Johann was an agreement of all administrators of the Chechen page. In our daily work on wikipedia, we try to stay away from politics and try to be very right speaking of Chechen language --Sasan700 (talk) 13:21, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

"Blocking of Dagirov Umarov, Soul Train and Saint Johann was an agreement of all administrators" - so can you say what am I done to blocking me for 6 months except edit war in article about Lezgin language with user who put there latin alphabet, while Lezgi alphabet is only based on Cyrillic script? The abuse with a maximum 1 day of blocking. And why Lezgistxa wasn't banned as I was? I put the links in the article, reliable sources, even in English language, where you can read that even those lezgins who lived in Azerbaijan, written in Cyrillic. Here's a specific question, can you give the answer? You can put latin letters anywhere in your language, but what right have you to be the judge in this situation, especially considering the fact that I am the Administrator of Lezgi Wikipedia and I know the situation better than you, I'm working with my Lezgi friends, and I know about all Lezgistxa vandalisms like no other?--Soul Train (talk) 14:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

• Hello ladies and gentlemen!

I’m just surprised the way some of participants have been blocked. I’m asking you first, before rushing to block someone, please check that person’s history and input which he has done in Wikipedia. For instance, if you check activities of Дагиров Умар and Sant Johann, you will find nothing else but vandalism, insults, and dirty accusations.

1) Soul Train wasn’t blocked because of his changes within Legzin Alphabet. He was blocked for making political changes towards one specific political party without knowing Chechen language. warned him couple of times, but Soul Train was verbally abusing the rest of team members and even said that he will change the political status in Chechen Wikipedia towards his own political party. Therefore, all members gathered to discuss further existence of such participant and the agreement was to block him. Even though admins asked him many times to change his attitude; he continued swearing with no respect to Wikipedia. Soul Train doesn’t even speak proper Russian nor Chechen and got some of complaints from the Russian page as well. Here is the link: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Обсуждение_участника:Soul_Train Literally, we cannot let the participant exist among our team members, mainly, because he blamed all of the team members for not letting “his” politician to win the elections.

2) Saint Johann was blocked for trying to squeeze in the article “Соьлжа” dangerous political terms using again vandalism and accusations, also, was blocked for deleting over 114 articles without anyone’s agreement. I was writing him in Chechen asking to release his stress and to calm down because otherwise we can’t cooperate. He couldn’t reply to me since he doesn’t speak Chechen and kept ignoring warnings. In addition, I found message written by Dagirov Umarov to Saint Johann where he says the following: “Let us block Sasan700 for not allowing us to abuse him.” Dagirov Umarov has his own account as well - http://dagirov100.livejournal.com/722.html In his account, he is been writing messages against Wikipedia blaming it for fighting its participants for no reason, even though, there are nothing else but reasons for which he should have been blocked long time ago. His arrogance has no limits, sorry for our language.

3) Dagirov Umar was blocked for false accusations in address of Chechen Wikipedia admins. The rest of admins and I urged him many times that we may block him if he continues to abusing our team members.

Having read the comments of admins Mega programmer, Sasan700, Dagger including my comment above, I'm asking you to make corrections accordingly. With respect, admin of Chechen Wikipedia. (Kade) --70.24.108.39 23:46, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I cannot athorize in meta-wiki. This is why I write my comment as a guest. As a proof that this comment is from me Kade you may use comment on my page in Chechen Wikipedia. Link is there.

Diff of the same comment, logged-in, on cewiki. --MF-W 23:51, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

> I found message written by Dagirov Umarov to Saint Johann where he says the following: “Let us block Sasan700 for not allowing us to abuse him.”
Please, say me, where you did find this message, I even wonder. Saint Johann (ru) 01:11, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Political party?.. I think that Ce-Wikipedia administrators compose some kind a virtual world a la Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four". I even don't want to comment this.--Soul Train (talk) 13:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

"You are blocked in the Chechen section of Wikipedia for 6 months for the edits war Kade, 21:54, 14 биэкарг бутт 2013 (UTC)" Thankee for composing very scary reason for stewards after a few days and reading discussions.--Soul Train (talk) 13:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

• Умар Дагиров в статье про столицу Чечении написал: "Соьлжа-ГӀала кхаза Кавказан майда чохь, Нохчийн центр чохь. Соьлжа-ГӀала тӀе хи Сунжа кхаза." Слово "кхаза" по чеченски означает висит, "майда" - площадь, т.e. Умар Дагивор говорит, что "Грозный висит на Кавказской площади и в чеченском центре. Над Грозным висит река Сунжа". Вот и весь вклад который он может внести! Qonax (talk) 03:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
• Umar Dagirov article about the capital of Chechnya wrote: "Solzha-GӀala Khaz Kavkazan Maida choh, Nohchiyn center choh. Solzha-GӀala tӀe chi Sunzha Khaz." The word "Khaz" means hanging on Chechnya, "Maida" - the area, and Umar Dagivor says "Lincoln hangs in the Caucasus area and the center of the Chechen. Hanging over formidable river Sunzha." That's all the contributions it could make!Qonax (talk) 03:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

This is not, I wrote. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 09:06, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

It was Girdi. Almost everything that you wrote there, Dagger, Sasan700 and others, just a simple lie, which is broken by the diffs.--Soul Train (talk) 15:05, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

• Уважаемые стюарды! Эти люди пришли в Чеченскую Википедию с определенной целью, их цель является не вовсе развитие проекта, а наоборот конфронтация, дискредитация администраторов, вандализм, война правок и откатов, оскорбление личности, угрозы агитация политики Кремля. В соответствии сказанным нами (Администраторами) прошу Вас принять справедливое решение. С уважением администратор Че-Вики.Qonax (talk) 03:50, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
• Dear stewards! These people came to the Chechen Wikipedia for a specific purpose, their goal is not to do the development of the project, but rather a confrontation discredit administrators, vandalism, war edits and kickbacks, personal injury, threats of agitation Kremlin policy. As we said (administrators) I'm asking you to make corrections accordingly. With respect, admin of Chechen Wikipedia.Qonax (talk) 03:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

  Soon he'll begin to write that the Kremlin is sponsoring us :-) --Soul Train (talk) 13:19, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

• We will anyway take back ce.wikipedia!!! -- Bear 007

Update

Result of this discussion. Saint Johann (ru) 16:08, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

What is the purpose of having a discussion both here and there? Aren't the stewards already looking into the problem? —Psychonaut (talk) 11:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Requests for comment created to summarise all the problems of Ce-WP, not only current abuses.--Soul Train (talk) 13:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if any steward will ever have a look at this proposal. A shame that no one acts although there's a consensus for the de-adminship of abusive ce-wiki admins and crats. Apparently some people simply do not understand that the steward button isn't an award. Really pity. --A.Savin (talk) 10:29, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

• Dear Stewards! You have only 1 day for detail comment about situation in the Chechen Wikipedia. After that I will start sending the letters to members of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. I do understand that the situation when you must de-sysop all admins of the project is very unusual. But you've had enough time to develop a clear Roadmap. Or at least for the normal comment in this Request.--Soul Train (talk) 10:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
• OK. I sent the letter to one of the members of Board of Trustees. As promised.--Soul Train (talk) 14:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
• I want your reaction, Stewards, I will not leave this situation and I'll get the justice.--Soul Train (talk) 06:48, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I am deeply disturbed by the lack of response from the stewards in addressing this situation. It is completely unprofessional and disrespectful to abjectly refuse to answer the many editors who have asked for a response on Meta and on the #wikimedia-stewards channel. The English Wikipedia ArbCom manages to handle more complex issues than this in less time. Frankly, telling Soul Train flat out "No, we won't help you" would have been better than leaving them hanging for a few months now. And quite frankly, I also hate that I have to use strongly worded comments to get the stewards to respond. --Rschen7754 07:47, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for resolving this. --Rschen7754 21:16, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Request

I tried to move a page in my userspace about WikiLang to main because there are other WikiLang pages in main, but I didn't know that the move was set in userspace, and I accidentally turned 1 into ! by adding 'shift'. So this is not vandalism, and please give me back my rights.--Seonookim (talk) 04:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You should have moved it back instead of copy-pasting. Ruslik (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You need help from a Meta admin, not a Steward. Please request here: Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat QuiteUnusual (talk) 08:21, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Disruptive user at Punjabi language wikipedia

Hello to all the Stewards'! I am Raj Singh. A user from Punjabi language wikipedia pa.wikipedia.org. There is a disruptive user that is bothering and warring with me over some matter. This Dispupting User is pa:User:Babanwalia, he think that whatever he do is right and what other are do is wrong. He think because he made a page that it must be his property and nobody is have permissions to edit. Have a look at some problem:

• This works: In this article you are see I have tag it with {{ਬੇ-ਹਵਾਲਾ}} (sourceless), {{ਅਧਾਰ}} (stub) and I have change the number from Gurmukhi to International arabic which is used everywhere in online Punjabi, Newly published books and the Punjabi University Patiala use these, we even have a discussion at here and most are support and there is good point and no point from oppose. But on this page Babanwalia rather because he believe it is his article that I am not allow to change it so he say I am vandalize but all I did was right. I am say very sorry for war, that I did was wrong and I rather come ask here and report him. Same thing happen at here. Instead of making sources and making bigger he wars and removes all the tag I apply and he call it vandalism.
• Same here. At Boston article I move it to correct name ਬੋਸਟਨ but he revert and say "Dont just copy the spellings from Hindi wiki. Given in the aricle is the pronunciation. Listen to it and then edit further." (in fact the Hindi copy is ਬੋਸ੍ਟਨ which I did not use) but also most Punjabi news that cover the recent event use ਬੋਸਟਨ, not "ਬੌਸਟਨ" (Baustan)

He also sends false messages to Users Satdeep Gill and Kooljeet:

ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰਕੇ ਵੇਖੋ ਕਿ ਰਾਜ ਸਿੰਘ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਜਦ ਵੀ ਇਸ ਵਿਕੀ ਉੱਤੇ ਆਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਬਸ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਉਜਾੜਾ ਹੀ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਲਿਪੀ ਦੀ ਬਦਲੀ, ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਿੱਜਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਬਦਲੀ ਆਦਿ। ਕੋਈ ਇੱਕ ਚੱਜ ਦੀ ਸੋਧ ਨਹੀਂ ਵੇਖੀ ਮੈਂ। ਅਤੇ ਉੱਤੋਂ ਬਾਕੀ ਕੰਮ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਵਰਤੋਂਕਾਰਾਂ ਦਾ ਵੀ ਸਮਾਂ ਖਰਾਬ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰਕੇ ਉਸਨੂੰ ਸਮਝਾਓ ਕਿ ਲੜਾਈਆਂ ਛੱਡ ਕੇ ਵਿਕੀ ਦੇ ਵਾਧੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਯੋਗਦਾਨ ਪਾਵੇ। --Babanwalia (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੪:੨੦, ੧੮ ਅਪਰੈਲ ੨੦੧੩ (UTC)

Trasnlation: Please look how since Raj Singh has come on this wiki he is only vandalizing, changing script and given spellings etc. I am not seeing any constructive edits. as well as this he is also wasting other users time. Please make him understand that he must leave fighting and contribute into growing wiki.

I never vandalize beside war which he is also equal responsable, but he say I am waste his time and he say his spelling is right and I even told sources. Please allow to make Babanwalia understand that Wikipedia is for everyone to edit according to consensus, all other users are editing according to consensus except Babanwalia. All articles that are release in Punjabi language wikipedia are use Intenational numbers except pages made by Babanwalia, he also is refuse to work with other consensuses. Whatever I do that he dispute he try to find a way to blame it on "Hindi" always and he not only done it with me, many other to, Please do also make him understand that tagging, changing numbers systems by consensus and changing name of article according to sources are not vandalism. Thank you for reading and please help because pa.wikipedia has no active admin. --Raj Singh (talk) 15:45, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

SRAT

Dear stewards, could you please use the appropiate format when noting removals or extensions on that page? The bot will not archive a thread on that page if the syntax is not respected. Templates like {{removed}} will not work. Simply use '''Extended''' or '''Removed''' (no dots at the end of the word) as the heading of the page notes. That, or archive the thread yourself at the relevant archives. Thanks for your cooperation. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 13:43, 26 April 2013 (UTC)