Requests for comment/Enable sandbox for all Wikipedias

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ProposalEdit

Many projects including the English Wikipedia show a Sandbox link for each and every user between the Talk and Preferences links at the top of all pages. For example, see en:User:4nn1l2/sandbox. Users can use it as a draft page for themselves or they can play with Wikipedia there without the fear of breaking anything. Currently, 70 out of 325 language editions of Wikipedia have it enabled. I propose to make it available by default for all Wikiepdias to avoid tasks such as phab:T296073 (The idea is actually from User:Martin Urbanec who told me this at IRC). Many small Wikipedias don't have a clue what Phabricator is or how they can have this sandbox link enabled. It seems a harmless feature to me. This proposal only involves Wikipedia, not sister projects such as Wikibooks.

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support as the proposer. 4nn1l2 (talk) 07:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support Per proposer. SCP-2000 08:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Partial support It's a good concept in theory. However, I've noticed that a sizable number of users who come from Wikipedia to another WMF project (such as Wikivoyage) tend to think that the only place where you can draft mainspace pages has to be User:YOURUSERNAME/sandbox. So yea, it may benefit Wikipedia, but maybe not the entire Wikimedia. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 11:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
    @SHB2000: There may have been a misunderstanding. I don't get it which part of the proposal you don't support. I have clearly stated in the proposal (last line) that this proposal involves only Wikipedia, not other projects such as Wikisource, Wikibooks, Wikivoyage, etc. 4nn1l2 (talk) 11:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
    Did read that, point was that users coming from Wikipedia editing other WMF projects think that that's the only way to draft pages, which in general, is not the case. However, in general, I'm well leaning towards support though. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 11:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  •   Oppose in its current version. As it is currently written, the proposal seems to assume that sandbox links are obviously and indisputably a good thing, and if any Wikipedia doesn’t have them, that must be because they “don't have a clue what Phabricator is”. I think this characterization is inaccurate: several “large” Wikipedias – cebwiki, dewiki, fiwiki, idwiki, shwiki, warwiki, zhwiki – currently don’t have these links enabled, and I assume at least some of them have consciously decided against them, for valid reasons. I’d like to see some indication in this proposal what’s going to happen to such wikis: are they going to get the feature enabled and will then have to file a request if they don’t want it? will the feature only be enabled for new wikis going forward, but disabled for all current wikis that don’t have it enabled? something else? --Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 12:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
    I will consult these large wikis and ask them if they want sandbox link enabled or not. If they don't want it, I will exclude them. Is this approach acceptable to you? 4nn1l2 (talk) 13:18, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
    Please note that I notified all the above-mentioned projects, except for zhwiki where Sandbox link is already enabled and cebwiki and warwiki which are not organic projects, but mostly bot-created projects. I don't consider them large, regardless of their number of articles; there are few actual users active there. 4nn1l2 (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support Mehediabedin (talk) 14:39, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support --Novak Watchmen (talk) 13:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support -jkb- 20:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support. They should all be enabled by default. Neocorelight (talk) 00:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

ListEdit

List of Wikipedia projects which show a sandbox link now:

List of Wikipedia projects which have it enabled now per InitialiseSettings.php, Ctrl+F: wmgUseSandboxLink
	'arwiki' => true,
	'atjwiki' => true, // T182798
	'azwiki' => true, // T282954
	'bhwiki' => true,
	'bnwiki' => true,
	'cawiki' => true,
	'ckbwiki' => true,
	'cswiki' => true, // T100513
	'cywiki' => true, // T173054
	'dawiki' => true,
	'dtywiki' => true, // T168038
	'elwiki' => true,
	'enwiki' => true,
	'eowiki' => true,
	'eswiki' => true,
	'euwiki' => true, // T166553
	'fawiki' => true,
	'frwiki' => true, // T95604
	'gawiki' => true, // T177775
	'gdwiki' => true, // T156281
	'hewiki' => true,
	'hifwiki' => true,
	'hiwiki' => true,
	'huwiki' => true,
	'hywiki' => true,
	'hywwiki' => true, // T239387
	'ilowiki' => true,
	'iswiki' => true,
	'itwiki' => true, // T103643
	'jawiki' => true,
	'jvwiki' => true, // T176308
	'kkwiki' => true,
	'knwiki' => true,
	'kowiki' => true,
	'lawiki' => true, // T296073
	'ladwiki' => true, // T121524
	'ltwiki' => true, // T273957
	'lvwiki' => true,
	'maiwiki' => true,
	'minwiki' => true,
	'mwlwiki' => true, // T180052
	'newiki' => true,
	'nlwiki' => true,
	'nowiki' => true, // T210325
	'orwiki' => true, // T124614
	'papwiki' => true, // T223166
	'plwiki' => true,
	'pswiki' => true,
	'ptwiki' => true,
	'rowiki' => true, // T219855
	'ruwiki' => true, // T153855
	'sawiki' => true,
	'sdwiki' => true, // T152609
	'skwiki' => true,
	'sowiki' => true,
	'sqwiki' => true, // T227970
	'srwiki' => true, // T129485
	'svwiki' => true,
	'tawiki' => true,
	'tcywiki' => true, // T144925
	'tewiki' => true,
	'tgwiki' => true, // T156473
	'thwiki' => true,
	'tlwiki' => true,
	'trwiki' => true, // T256782
	'ukwiki' => true,
	'urwiki' => true,
	'viwiki' => true, // T272796
	'zhwiki' => true,
	'zuwiki' => true,