Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat/Archives/2008-05

Hungarian tagline of pages

Someone mistranslated something a few weeks ago, and since that time there has been "A Metaből" on the top of every page, which stands for "From Meta" and is really stupid and meaningless. Please revert it to "A Metából", as it had been previously. Thanks, Bináris 23:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

If you're talking about the tagline, it is supposed to say "From Meta". If that's not the case, please explain what "A Metából" means and where exactly it should be changed. Thanks --filip 23:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
In English it says "From Meta", indicating that the content on the page originated here on the meta wiki, if in Hungarian this literal phrase means something else, it can be changed. I don't see a Hungarian page listed at the links to MediaWiki:Tagline though. xaosflux Talk 00:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I speak about tagline hu, and I don' understand either why it does not appear among other languages with prefindex.

  • A Metaből — this does not mean anything, I don't know who and why has put it there.
  • A Metából — this means literally "From Meta". This is the correct version. Bináris 16:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I have listed Special:Prefindex with namespace MediaWiki and a have found very few /hu messages, there are some only at centralmessages, although I get a lot of Hungarian messages on Meta with my preferences set to Hungarian, and I am sorry to say that not all of them are correct. Where may those messages be if not in Special:Prefindex / MediaWiki namespace? Bináris 17:21, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

It becomes more and more mysterious. MediaWiki:Tagline/hu is not only hidden when listing but it does not have a page history either, while other langauge versions do have. The contents of it is: A {{SITENAME}}ből which may hardly be applied, beacuse sitename Meta changes when declining. But I do remember this tagline had previously been correct. Bináris 17:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, it has been added to betawiki: taken from, I correct it there, please be patient until it updates on all wikis, (p.s. Metá is not possible, since it takes Meta from {{SITENAME)} ) thanks, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 18:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Well, previously itt had been correct, and up to this time I thought Wikimedia was well internationalized. It is only correct in the form 'A Metából', with the mark on the á. Either Sitename should be applied to the languages Wikimedia uses or it should not be used in this case. I don't understand its importance, for the name of the Meta does not change very often and thus needs no substitution. On the other hand, this whatnot cannot be taken from huwiki, because the tagline of huwiki looks like this. Bináris 18:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

What about this option of Sitename? Bináris 18:27, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Hm, I searched the deletionlog here and on betawiki: for the version A Metából, but it is not there, sorry. I hope that [grammar:genitive works I added it on betawiki:MediaWiki:Tagline/hu (for the Sitename = Betawiki it does not work, but maybe it is not defined, I am trying to find out where it is and hopefully we can fix that, maybe I will need Your help for other Projects in genitive, You can register an account on betawiki: if You wish and You will be granted translator if You are interested in this, many thanks and best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 18:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

At this point it becomes really funny, because betawiki's Hungarian tagline is A Betawikiból, which is wrong again, because it should be A Betawikiből. I try to ask help from our experts. Thank you, Bináris 18:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

No, I am sorry, that was just me, because You said ből did not mean anything I changed it to ból, I am deleting it again. Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 19:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Hungarian is not the easiest language. :-))) It belongs to agglutinative languages, but the suffix may depend on the root itself. Bináris 19:30, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
That makes it quite impossible to get this message to work properly, maybe better only putting there something in the nominative? Something like "From the project Wikipedia/Meta/Betawiki" ?
Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 19:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
This idea is grammatically correct, but complicated and won't sound well and fluent in Hungarian. Another point of view: why is {{SITENAME}} necessary if it does not work? The soultion below I don't exactly understand (as far as I see, grammar is not a template, but where can I find its syntax then?), I try to bring here technical experts. Fortunately, Hungarian Wikipedia uses its own tagline in Hungarian. :-) Bináris 20:21, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
You need to fix the message to something like MediaWiki:Tagline/ru (view source) and either 1) provide code for inflection 2) or provide a list of forms and ask in bugzilla to add them to meta site setup (example). – Nikerabbit 20:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
@Bináris, the problem is, that the tagline is then incorrect if someone chooses hungarian as interface language on other projects, we try to make the interface work on any project, so please consider Nikerabbits solution, thanks, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 20:24, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Tagline was changed here; before it was {{SITENAME}}BÓL, which is wrong too (plus its uppercase for no good reason). Huwiki hides the tagline through CSS (and its localized there, of course). There is no grammar function defined for Hungarian yet; the grammatically correct form depends on the pronunciation of the word, which is mostly but not always the same as the spelling, so a 100% corect form is AFAIK impossible. We could come up with a good approximation though. --Tgr 12:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, as far as I understood Nikerabbits proposal it would solve the problem, Finnish had the same problem as Hungarian, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 12:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Technical discuss is going on in huwiki, please don't archive this section yet. Bináris 22:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Consta requested on my user talk page to add Greek on MediaWiki:Loginlanguagelinks. So + "Ελληνικά|el". Thanks, SPQRobin 15:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Done, thank You, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 15:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Please update the message. (Copy and paste the text in talk page.) Thank you. --Meno25 19:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Done by Dungodung. Thank you, Dungodung. --Meno25 19:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
No problem. I just hope I didn't break anything. Haven't had much experience with RTL before :) --filip 19:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, Meno25 and Filip. --Aphaia 19:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No, Filip. You have broken it. Please copy all the text in the talk page as it is and paste it over all the text of the message. (Don't try to edit the message yourself. It is hard to write Arabic in an ltr wiki. Every Arabic Wikimedian knows this.) --Meno25 19:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Should be OK now (just copy/pasted from the talk page). That means that I had to remove the <div dir="rtl"> marker. --filip 19:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Finally fixed. Thank you for your quick response. --Meno25 20:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The centralnotice message is working with all languages, except for pt ( ). Is it a bug? 555 19:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I think I've fixed it. It needed a small nudge (null edit + hard refresh). --filip 19:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Could you or another admin replace the URL by ? 555 22:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Done. Thanks again. ;-) Cbrown1023 talk 22:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Can a sysop move Fundraising 2007/Thank you/gl to MediaWiki:Centralnotice-thanks/gl? The translation is correct. -- 20:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Done, thanks, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 20:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks you too. I want to say that I think that it is better to change the message to this because is more beautiful when you see it. I only added <center> at the begining and at the end an a <br /> in the middle to separe the two phrases:

<center>Grazas a todos os que fixeron a súa doazón para a campaña de recolección de fondos da Fundación Wikimedia!<br />Podes seguir [ facendo contribucións] ou [ mercando produtos da Wikimedia].</center>

-- 20:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Oki, I don't see why not, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 20:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


Updating Wikiversity main portal for Greek Wikiversity

Could a sysop please move the new code at template/temp‎ to the protected page at template? This reflects the addition of the Greek Wikiversity. Thank you. --McCormack 11:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

  Done thanks --Herby talk thyme 12:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for block

Please block User:Mobicue, as it is a promotional name for For proof, see his logs. --Agüeybaná (hábleme) 23:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

  Not done. He stopped 3 days ago, and I think blocking now is unnecessary. Majorly (talk) 23:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Category:Meta protected edit requests lists pages where an editor has requested an edit be made which is not possible due to protection. Could I ask that an administrator look at dealing with those requests especially considering that it appears some date back to June 2007. Adambro 18:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

1   Done, 1 queried (it was a while ago) & 1 to do. Additionally I'll get Bryan's bot set up to record such requests tomorrow as on Commons & en wb. Thanks for bringing it up - cheers --Herby talk thyme 19:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, nice one. Over on the English Wikinews we have mw:Extension:DynamicPageList installed which allows for a list of page in a category to be display on the Wikinews equivalent of this page. However, if this could be on Meta:Administrators' discussion index or another similar page it would be very helpful. Adambro 20:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Adambro - check out Bryan bot's category watch side of the bot on Commons and let us know what you think. I think I set it up to monitor similar pages there (unblock reqs & the like - not well monitored on Commons!). I also use it personally to watch for additions to categories that interest me - I think it could be useful here? Cheers --Herby talk thyme 08:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I support to have a list generated by DynamicPageList with this category ... perhaps on this page. Perhaps on this page (and on that category too, here a duplication may harm nothing)? --Aphaia 08:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Well for now this works! Could admins please put this on their watch list (and we can always add categories if there is anything anyone wants monitored, interval may need tweaking too). Other ideas welcome of course - cheers --Herby talk thyme 13:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Meta:DiscussionIndexSeeAlso has a list of other pages that meta admins may want to put on their watchlists, also powered by BryanBot, a very helpful and clever bot, I must say. (it has some Commons ones too, if you're a Commons admin) ++Lar: t/c 17:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

*sigh* 555 20:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand why You people can't use Your talkpages for solving conflicts, I don't like editwars at all, we are working towards the same goal I always naively hope. --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 20:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I've tried to talk (ok, naming someone as a King isn't the right mode to start a talk, but no one is perfect) and all that I had received was a masked undo :/
Well, thanks. 555 20:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Generally, please don't use the edit summary as talkpage :( Thanks for Your understanding. Please note, that is not only said to You, thanks, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 20:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Do we need commons:COM:MELLOW for Meta? :) ++Lar: t/c 17:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

No. -- 17:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Dear anon, whoever you are, you can always write a counter essay if such an essay comes to exist here. ++Lar: t/c 17:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Nah :D -- 17:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Administrator confirmations

Not really a request for help, but I want to encourage all people who have already voted, to look again. For at least two candidates the general opinion has changed, and maybe you want to join those who changed their mind. I'm in particular speaking of Akl and Dmcdevit. Best regards, --Thogo (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Meta:Administrators/confirm linken! ~Kylu (u|t) 01:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Page unprotect ?

Request your attention to Template_talk:Translation_status#Please_add_ml. Also, I wonder why the template is protected? --Jacob 18:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

  1. Because it is highly used and vandalized in the past. (good target to spam)
  2. Some editors, iirc, removed the languages which we want to include. It should be prevented.
  3. And not unhappily, "This list is not designed to cover all language of this globe for convenience of coordinators. Your edit may be removed on Transcom member discretion." (on the template page). It has a technical limitation so not appropriate to open, specially we are considering the two points on the above.

As for Marathi, it is a language with big population, I'm happily including it. Thanks for pointing us to it. --Aphaia 22:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding. (PS: One correction — ML is Malayalam, not Marathi - yes there are over 37 million native Malayalam speakers). --Jacob 09:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh. Sorry. Hope you feel not offended. I am alway confused with those (due to r/l confusion, I guess). --Aphaia 09:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I am for infinite full protection and have tagged it so. Semi-protecting it may not be sufficient.--Jusjih 01:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Not a really big deal now ... we are now switching to a newer template {{translation2}}. Requests opened prior to that are tagged still with {{translation status}} but I hope this transition is short. --Aphaia 10:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


This user is blocked on Wikipedia for the same bizarre behavior he is exhibiting here and general disruptive attitude (e.g. nonsense essays), just a heads up. John Reaves (talk) 08:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I commented on the talk of his latest "essay". Your feedback to this particular thing will be also welcome. --Aphaia 08:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
My view: nonsense essays are not a reason to block, only to caution. If the user recreates after they were deleted by consensus or policy, that's more problematic. But I gathered that this user has found alternate hosting for all of them, or are they still doing things? ++Lar: t/c 19:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I put the latest offering in RfD earlier --Herby talk thyme 20:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Bug on NavFrame

NavFrame for Meta-Wiki seens to be broken: the hide/show option is unavaiable at Wikimedia São Paulo. 555 20:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm able to toggle the hide/show option in the TOC, is that the one you are referring to? xaosflux Talk 01:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Currently Common.js' code handles only <table>s, and you have a <div> there. Should we import code for divs or you can handle it with existing code? Have you done it without a template due to lack of it or because of another reason? — Kalan ? 14:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Disruptive IP

IPs beginning with 91.6... have been disrutpively editing the OTRS pages and others. I suggest someone perform a range block. -- 16:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

There is no current vandalism, IPs have been blocked already. Range blocks are rarely used unless there is real current disruption as it may well inconvenience genuine users, thanks --Herby talk thyme 16:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Page protection request

Requesting indef semi-protection on User:MBisanz and User talk:MBisanz. IP harassment and I have an open en-wiki page. MBisanz 16:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I protected your talk page, but your userpage hasn't had any edits yet, so you should request here if it does. You should put a message on your talk page saying that IPs should go to enwiki to leave you a message. Thanks, Majorly (talk) 16:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Another disruptive IP whose edits were deleted seems to be identical with the cross-wiki vandals on Japanese wikis including jawiki, jawikiquote & jawikinews (same IP address, same edit pattern). We've tried to persuade him to use sandbox unsuccessfully for more than one year. I recommend to block this IP address for a certain length. --Aphaia 07:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Aphaia - blocked, regards --Herby talk thyme 08:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding a custom namespace

Hi, the Korean Wikipedia is planning to add a "Portal" namespace. We're almost ready (we haven't quite decided what to call it, but it will most likely be 포털 for Portal and 포털토론 for Portal_talk.)

Can you tell me who to contact when we are really ready, please? Thank you very much. --Kjoonlee 17:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, the Korean Wikipedia is most likely to request an alias for the new 포털 namespace. It's likely to be 들머리 for 포털 and 들머리토론 for 포털토론.

Can you tell me who to contact? Would it be the same person as above? Thank you in advance. --Kjoonlee 17:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, please request this at bugzilla, thanks, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 17:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
And don't let the name fool you, it's not just for error reporting, but also feature requests---like this one! xaosflux Talk 00:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


Can somebody update Donate/gl in Wikimedia. Thanks a lot! --Toliño Fala aquí comigo 17:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

  Done thanks for your update. :-) Cbrown1023 talk 00:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Update of the Wikibooks home page

It needs to be updated. Please change the multilingual portal of Wikibooks, and please put Tagalog in 100. It has now more than 120 pages. Thank You. -- Felipe Aira 05:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I added tl to template. What else is needed? — VasilievVV 16:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Please be sure to make your changes first to template/temp and then synchronize the changes to the main page. Nakon 16:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)