Meta:Babel/Archives/2013-12

MassMessage

See MassMessage for more details on the tool itself.

Hello all, as some of you may know MassMessage was recently deployed across the whole Wikimedia cluster with Meta being the 'global' wiki for cross-wiki posting. MassMessage was developed as a way to combat the ugly hack currently used called Global message delivery. This however brings a slight issue with how the default configuration is as only sysops are capable of using the MassMessage tool. The old system used a single wiki page to manage who was able to use the tool on Meta and access could be granted by any sysop.

In short, I am proposing a new group be created on Meta for the specific purpose of allowing non sysops to gain access to the MassMessage functions, with the group being assignable by sysops as is currently done. This is one of two solutions available, the other being the clear granting of local sysop rights to users who need active use of the tool. In this case a new group may be the most preferable option for long term users who may not have a clear need for the other sysop tools. Comments on this are appreciated. John F. Lewis (talk) 21:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Also note, as far as I know, there are no plans for MZMcBride to carry on support for the old system. John F. Lewis (talk) 21:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Correct: EdwardsBot will stop operating after December 31, 2013. A message will be sent out to EdwardsBot users soon. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Support this is fine. I have no problem with giving temp adminship to trusted users, but we should probably create a new group like WM:CNA for people who need to do this. PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
The original implementation of MassMessage allowed any local admin to deliver globally (i.e., any local admin could deliver messages to other Wikimedia wikis). Erik requested that this functionality be disabled (he was concerned about accountability, I think), but this is a pre-existing option to consider. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:26, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Adding the permission to the existing centralnotice-admin group is probably the easiest solution. There is quite an overlap between the two and it's easier than start a bunch of requests for temporary adminship. --Nemo 22:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
"centralnotice-admin" can become "admin lite"? --MZMcBride (talk) 01:18, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
A "requests for mass delivery" page or similar will likely be needed on Meta-Wiki and probably on individual wikis.
A separate thought I had was you could make a global user group and then use wiki sets to limit the global group's scope. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:39, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please list which rights the extensions provides and to which groups they are currently assigned? --MF-W 23:00, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know, only massmessage, only to sysops, so far. --Nemo 23:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
This is indeed the only right it adds. PiRSquared17 (talk) 23:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Special:ListGroupRights, by the way. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:18, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Meta:MassMessage senders was created. --MF-W 23:27, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I've just converted Global message delivery/Access list (permalink) to the new user group. I tried to skip inactive users and current administrators. If anyone would not like to be part of this group, please just let me or another local administrator know and you can easily be removed. --MZMcBride (talk) 15:34, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

RecentChanges/RecentChangesLinked/Watchlist legend

Hello. I couldn't find the source for the new "legend" message on Special:RecentChanges. I tried searching for it, and even checking the edits of some possible suspect-admins, and I can't find it. Then I realized that I could just use "qqx" as the language to see the source of the message. I still have no idea where it came from. It only seems to be on Meta, but I can't find any relevant changes in the MediaWiki namespace. So... anyway, do you like this message? I think it is positioned in an odd place, but maybe that's just because I'm not used to it. PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:13, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

It came after the latest update of MediaWiki version. It's also on Wikidata now. --Stryn (talk) 21:01, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
That's Gerrit patchset #96584, and you can hide the legend by adding .mw-changeslist-legend { display: none; } to your common.css stylesheet (or to the stylesheet of your skin, should that be the case). odder (talk) 21:46, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
In case this helps: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?uselang=qqx>. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I tried that, but wasn't sure where the messages were coming from. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Just a suggestion regarding the recent changes legend, but it may be good to use @media queries or some other technique to hide or move the legend on narrower resolutions when not using the mobile skin. I recently was putting my IRC client and enwiki's recent changes side by side in two windows, and the recent changes was so narrow that the "Recent Changes options" section was quite messed up. I know I could fix this via my user CSS, but it'd probably be best to have it a core change if the legend is going to be added in MediaWiki 1.23. --GeorgeBarnick (talk) 22:59, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
File a bug, perhaps? PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Done. --GeorgeBarnick (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

FlaggedRevs enabled on meta for Zero namespace only

(moved from Wikimedia Forum) --MF-W 11:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I have enabled Flagged Revisions extension on Meta, but limited it to only Zero: namespace. This is needed by the Zero team to allow non-admin editing of specific configurations by our partners. I hope it won't affect anyone. Let me know if you notice any problems. Thanks!!! --Yurik (talk) 05:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC) (WMF)

Will the autoreview group be in use? Otherwise, it should be removed from the configuration. --MF-W 11:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, why do you need this? Isn't it redundant to zeroadmin? PiRSquared17 (talk) 04:58, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Can we have FlaggedRevs for templates and MediaWiki messages too? Or shall we stick with {{editprotected}}? PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I would oppose this, but if you want to discuss/propose this, I think a new section should be used. --MF-W 23:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Is this why we can suddenly grant the "auto-checked user"-right? Savhñ 08:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Most likely. Should probably be disabled? --Nemo 09:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Iberocoop namespace revisited

A year ago, I asked about the Iberocoop namespace. Nemo_bis recommended that we revisit the situation in "a year or two". There are about 60 pages in the namespace, excluding redirects. PiRSquared17 (talk) 05:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Anyone? PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:47, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
The namespace is used and I see activity in recent changes, so everything looks ok. To assess success we could compare to the activity in the iberocoop wiki but for that we need someone with access to it. IIRC it used to have some public part, so it seems we succeeded in merging that into Meta? --Nemo 09:41, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Meta's uncategorized pages

Does anyone else want to help with various maintenance tasks, like Special:UncategorizedPages? There are a lot of Fundraising and other WMF pages that need to be categorized... PiRSquared17 (talk) 06:02, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

I'd be glad to :) Ajraddatz (Talk) 06:07, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Maybe we can discuss on IRC or on Meta:MetaProject_to_Overhaul_Meta's talk page. I'm done cleaning up for now, but I'll continue later or tomorrow UTC. PiRSquared17 (talk) 06:13, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I'll talk to you on IRC later then; not sure what categories there are on meta :s Ajraddatz (Talk) 06:16, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I've categorized about 30. Not much, but it's my own small contribution. --Jakob (talk) 21:34, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! :-) PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
How do categories kill messiness? --MF-W 23:16, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
They categorize. John F. Lewis (talk) 23:22, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
I should have used "unorganized", not "messy". PiRSquared17 (talk) 23:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that kind of reminding. I hope I'll help. It should be one of first things I was going to do in here, i belive. I have made some of same kind pages categorized by a bot then. --Base (talk) 01:27, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

As for translatable pages, remember to use {{langcat}} in the source, so that all translations are automatically categorised (as soon as a translation administrator approves) but without polluting the English category. --Nemo 13:02, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, but thats more TA stuff to organize this case (but its true that we all or almost all are TAs as well). --Base (talk) 13:35, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I like the idea of LangCat, but it just makes more work for the translation admin, creating dozens of translation categories. It should be automated, not done manually, IMHO. PiRSquared17 (talk) 14:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)