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Bonjour à tous, On en a parlé et discuté pendant une longue, très longue période, même cette page sur Wikimedia date déjà de... 2006. Un chapter Wikimedia Tunisie, est-ce vraiment quelque chose d'impossible ? J'étais aujourd'hui en discussion avec quelques wikipédiens arabes qui veulent faire un conseil arabe wikipédien qui pourrait encourager la création de chapters dans les pays arabes en premier lieu puis dans en deuxième lieu faire chapoter tous ces chapters par ce conseil qui aura aussi comme buts de faire des campagnes de fonds et de faire des politiques globales. Le problème, c'est qu'il n'y a officiellement aucun chapter dans le monde arabe.

Est-ce que c'est possible de faire une feuille de route pour la création du projet Wikimedia Tunisie ? Je veux dire monter une association en Tunisie n'est pas compliqué, c'est aussi simple administrativement parlant que de faire un groupe sur Facebook. Personnellement, je vais être inchallah cet hiver en Tunisie. On pourrait facilement se réunir, et même ceux qui seront pas présents pourront discuter par Skype avec nous.

L'argent c'est pas un problème, sans tomber dans l'assistanat on peut demander un abonnement gratuit de Topnet ou Hexabyte, un local à la bibliotheque nationale ou juste un bureau au campus d'El Manar. On peut facilement avoir accès à tel ou tel université pour faire des formations. Je ne vois aucun obstacle dans la gestion de l'association. Après, en accueillant de nouveaux membres, on pourra travailler sur de gros projets. Même la gestion des documents Internet peut se faire avec Google Docs par exemple. Nous sommes des gens mobiles, on n'a pas besoin de beaucoup de choses à acheter. Il faut juste réussir la création de l'association et notamment la médiatisation. Une bonne médiatisation nous donnera plus facilement accès aux sources d'informations nationales ou aux archives par exemple... Je viens de passer une demi-heure à chercher sur Internet les documents nécessaires pour faire une association en Tunisie. J'ai rien trouvé à part ce lien. Est-ce que quelqu'un pourrait trouver la liste des documents nécessaires ? Comme je vous le disais au départ, on n'a pas à faire 1000 activités par jour. On fait du step by step. --Helmoony 20:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarder ici la loco team Ubuntu de Tunisie. Avec les moyens du bord, et sans encore avoir fait l'association proprement dit, ils ont commencé à faire des formations et des présentations. --Helmoony 23:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Il faudra commencer par ici : Step-by-step chapter creation guide --Dyolf77 (talk) 22:16, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Oui, mais lisez-vous aussi s'il vous plaît cette page : Step-by-step user group creation guide. C'est un nouveau modèle d'affiliation, et il est peut-être plus adapté à ce groupe (Pardonnez mon français mal...). Asaf Bartov (WMF Grants) talk 00:16, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Asaf for the link! Dyolf77 (talk) 14:09, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Arabic support issues in Wikimedia projects

Hello! Are any of you interested in working on improving Wikipedia's display of Arabic?

http://hexmode.com/2011/04/mediawiki-needs-rtl-developers/

If so, please take a look at that blog entry. And if you know some software developers who would be interested, please consider using translatewiki to translate that blog entry into Arabic — https://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:MarkAHershberger/blog-RTL-Developers-wanted — and distribute it among your friends and networks.

Another software developer working on right-to-left support in MediaWiki (the software Wikipedia runs on) is Amir Aharoni. You can read his request here: https://aharoni.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/palestinian-geeks-and-rtl-bugs/

Thank you. Please let me know if I can help you at all! - Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation volunteer development coordinator

Yet Another African Chapter!

Am glad that this is another chapter in the pipeline from Africa. We just got approved by the WMF earlier this year as Wikimedia Kenya. In case you need me:) stephenWanjau Talk to Me. Email Me. 16:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Groupe ou chapitre

Chers wikimédiens,
Je viens de commencer un brouillon afin de proposer un groupe de wikimédiens tunisiens afin de préparer la création d'un chapitre tunisien. Toute aide/critique est la bienvenue. Cordialement --Dyolf77 (talk) 14:48, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Je soutiens cette initiative qui va dans le sens du développement de Wikimedia en Tunisie. Une question préalable : en quelle langue rédiger la page du groupe : en arabe ? en français ? les deux ? l'usage de l'anglais n'est peut-être pas le plus adapté.
Je propose d'archiver l'actuelle page Wikimedia Tunisie et de créer une nouvelle liste, non plus de personnes intéressées mais de membres actifs. En effet, la liste des personnes intéressées ayant été constituée au cours des années, elle n'est peut-être plus pertinente. Il faudrait en revanche les recontacter pour les informer de cette nouvelle opportunité et les inviter à rejoindre le groupe. Il faudrait aussi élargir en lançant un appel sur les projets Tunisie, Facebook et Twitter.
Dans un deuxième temps, il sera possible de discuter des missions que le groupe souhaite se donner. Moumou82 (talk) 21:18, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Bonne initiative, la première étape je pense c'est de définir les activités du chapitre et les prérequis pour le créer. Afin d'atteindre cette objectif un groupe dévoué doit être formé.Vivaystn (talk) 08:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Commençons par dresser la liste des intéressés, {{Template:Planning Wikimedia Tunisia/names}} Dyolf77 (talk) 09:13, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Je pense qu il faudrait indiquer obligatoirement si on reside actuellement en Tunisie ou non. C est essentiel pour travailler sur des choses concretes en Tunisie. D apres ce que je sais une grande parti des gens qui sont sur la liste, y compris moi, ne peut techniquement aider sur terrain.--Helmoony (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

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Logos

 
النسخة العربية للشعار

Thanks for your efforts! I propose to change the name in the logo to "Tunisia" instead of "Tunisie". Vivaystn (talk) 20:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Oui c'est une bonne suggestion, qu'on prendra en compte lors de nos débats. Dyolf77 (talk) 09:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Mieux, une version en arabe !--Dyolf77 (talk) 19:37, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

L'idée de la version arabe est très bonne. Très bien Dyolf ! Je pense qu'on va avoir trois version alors: Wikimedia Tunisie (logo de la page français), Wikimedia Tunisia (logo de la page anglais), et ويكيميديا تونس (logo de la page Arabe). n'est ce pas? Vivaystn (talk) 18:23, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

To Do

Il est important de mettre en évidence cette page modèle Wikimedia affiliation models/User Groups. Ensuite il faut voir avec :

  1. Étape 1 : Rassembler du monde,   Done
  2. Étape 2 : Développer vos buts et votre structure,   Done Wikimedia Tunisia/Our mission
  3. Étape 3 : Construire une page wiki pour votre groupe,   Done
  4. Étape 4 : Faire une demande pour la reconnaissance.   Done

--Dyolf77 (talk) 21:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Update --Dyolf77 (talk) 10:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Name of the Group

Nous proposons WikimediaTN User Group,

Dyolf77 (talk) 10:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Some questions from AffCom

Hello, Tunisian wiki[pm]edians! I would like to ask you guys a few questions to have all the relevant information in one place (one-two paragraph summaries or links to other pages are fine), which we use to get to know you better and to have a catalog of all affiliates as we ask all of them a very similar set of questions. These will also be useful if you later decide to apply for chapter or thematic organization status. Please keep in mind that there are no "expected" or wrong answers.

Thank you in advance for your time in answering these questions, which help us get a feel for your group and determine how far along the process towards user group status are you at the moment. Let us know if you need any clarifications. --Maor X (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Dear Maor X, answers by --Dyolf77 (talk) 22:50, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
As far I remember, the name "Wikimedia TN User Group" wouldn't be allowed for a UG. --Saqib (talk) 23:56, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

La liste des monuments en arabe

Salut à tous, j'ai commencé sur la version arabe de Wikipédia de créer les sous-articles de la liste des monuments classés de Tunisie en arabe, et j'aimerai bien que vous participerez à crée ces pages pour le but de faciliter les recherches de ceux qui ne sont pas francophone. merci beaucoup.--Mohatatou (talk) 13:15, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Affiliations Committee call for candidates - September 2014

The Affiliations Committee is looking for new members. The committee's work requires communication with volunteers all over the World, negotiating skills and cultural sensitivity and the ability to understand legal texts. We try to get a healthy mix of different skill sets in our members.

Members are usually selected every twelve months for staggered two-year terms. The applications will be voted on by the current members not seeking re-election, taking into account comments put forward by the committee's members, advisers, WMF staff and board liaisons based on the membership criteria. A final decision will be made by the end of October 2014, with new members expected to join on or around 1 November 2014.

Please read the full call for candidates for more information, membership criteria, and details on how to apply.

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What about writing about Tunisia ... In Tunsi?

Hello everybody, in Wikimedia TN User Group there are members who are using Arabic, others are using French and there are some who are using English to write about Tunisia. So I was thinking why we don't use Tunisian? Wait! I know the answer, that's because there is no Standard for Tunisian. So I searched for some people who are interested in making that Standard and I found that some already began working on this project.
Today, we've a writing method, a dictionary and writing rules, so the first problem is solved. And I'm thinking in using this method to provide information for Tunisians. You might ask me "We have Arabic, French and English! Why do we need Tunisian?", simply that's because... Take a look on Tunisian students, if your father isn't a Doctor, mostly you don't understand anything you learn, add to that the high (without real numbers) percentage of Cultural Stupidity, I mean, many people can't get the real and the true information, even if he go to Arabic Wikipedia, he needs something in his L1.
Yeah I know, we all hate long introductions, so the important thing here, is searching for Tunisian volunteers to translate Mediawiki to Tunisian, then translating most important articles to Tunisian.
I think that's very easy, and we can find so many non-wikipedians interested and able to do that.
BTW, No, I'm not a hater of Arabic Wikipedia, and I'm always ready to volunteer there, but also, I want every Tunisian to be able to understand what's going on here, in this world!
Now, Why am I writing this again? I want to know if there are any volunteers here.

--GeekEmad (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by GeekEmad (talk)

Bonjour GeekEmad,
Juste une question, quelle langue de Tunsi va être retenue ? À ma connaissance chaque région de Tunisie dispose de sa « langue locale » et il est parfois difficile de se comprendre mutuellement. AMHA, ce projet a été soulevé dans une précédente occasion et n'a pas abouti donc je ne vois pas de son utilité. Cordialement, Dyolf77 (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
That's why we made a "standard writing", we didn't standardize the spelling of words, but just the writing which is important. And this writing method is attached a little to Tunis' dialect, which everyone can understand it (I'm talking about grammar and conjugation rules). Maybe also it's too early for a Tunisian Wikipedia in a method nobody uses in Tunisia? --GeekEmad (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm against using writing dialects in general. I strongly believe in the adage "في الإتحاد قوة" and I see that we need to strengthen our native language ARABIC better than distributing our efforts in many branches... Did you see in wikipedia American English or British English or Brasilian Portegees or canadian french ? So why Arabs want that every country has a different langage !!! --Vivaystn (talk) 15:23, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
I respect your view, but I see that you made a small problem right there, when you asked why we don't have Canadian Frenc Wikipedia for example. Because... the difference between Tunisian and MSA is bigger than the difference between Canadian French and French, How? Well, you can find words from different origins in Tunisian, some words from Arabic have another meaning in Tunisian, and of course don't forget the Berber substrate, it's very important. So simply, if an Arab who born speaking MSA (I know, that's not happening) he can't communicate with a Tunisian who born speaking Tunsi (not Arabic). This is a reality. So, I hope we discuss this subject without talking about Dialect or Language. --GeekEmad (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello GeekEmad,
Your approach to standardize a language looks interesting but I see many issues that prevent the creation of a Wikipedia in Tunisian:
  • Today, we've a writing method, a dictionary and writing rules, so the first problem is solved: Well, has this been published anywhere or is this only in the hands of a few people? Is this recognized by institutions such as the ministries of education and culture? You might understand that creating a method and rules on your own has not much value if nobody recognizes and uses them.
A very good point, thanks for talking about it. Yes, that's another problem, nobody use it and nobody recognize the writing method. --GeekEmad (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm thinking in using this method to provide information for Tunisians: What would be the benefit of having an encyclopedia that only Tunisians can read? It's not as if Tunisians can't write and read in any other language.
Why do we need a Wikipedia in Maltese? They can use English Wikipedia? I think the most important is writing in your mother tongue, even if you can read in all languages of the world, To be realistic, me, for example, I can fully understand something only if it's in my Language. --GeekEmad (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Mostly you don't understand anything you learn, add to that the high (without real numbers) percentage of Cultural Stupidity, I mean, many people can't get the real and the true information, even if he go to Arabic Wikipedia, he needs something in his L1: I won't comment on such statements which are insulting and do not rely on any verifiable fact. If this was true, then there would not be a need for a Tunisian Wikipedia but, as Dyolf77 suggests, for local versions as there is no standard (except the one you seem willing to impose).
Sorry. --GeekEmad (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
At the end, I agree with Vivaystn's statement about local versions of Wikipedia. I use expressions that are specific to Swiss French, that does not mean I can't read and write Standard French. I expect the same for Tunisians. Moumou82 (talk) 19:36, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
The same I said to him goes for you, the relation between Swiss French and Standard French is not like the one between Tunisian and French. Thanks. --GeekEmad (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I can understand the real problem now:

  • Nobody is using this standard method
  • We don't need a Tunisian Wikipedia right now, so the method can be use to translate movies and normal articles.

--GeekEmad (talk) 06:30, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiTour Tunisia 2015

We need your opinion! Please discuss the WikiTour Tunisia 2015 project. --Dyolf77 (talk) 20:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

eLearning Africa Conference (May 20-22, Addis Ababa)

Hello WMTN! I just came across a regional conference that seems relevant for you and community members. The 10th annual eLearning Africa conference will be hosted this year in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, at the African Union HQ. I'm in the process of seeing if there's space for any involvement from the Wikipedia Education Program team, be it a conference session or pre-conference workshop. Could also be an opportunity to highlight some of the work you do as well or learn what others are doing in the region! Please share onwards as appropriate :) Tighe Flanagan (WMF) (talk) 17:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@TFlanagan-WMF: Thank you Tighe for pinging us I spread the info into the community. We will contact you for any update. Best regards, --Dyolf77 (talk) 14:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Earth 2015 in Tunisia

Bonjour WMTN; en tant que membre de wikimedia TN user group; Je propose de commencer le projet Wiki Loves Earth 2015 in Tunisia --Touzrimounir (talk) 14:59, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Nominations are being accepted for 2015 Wikimedia Foundation elections

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Requests for comments on Wikimedia user groups approval process and agreements

This is an update from the Wikimedia Affiliations Committee. Translations are available.

The Wikimedia Affiliations Committee is requesting comments on the approval process and agreements for Wikimedia user groups.

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The committee will seek community input until Friday, May 1, 2015. The committee will then review the community's input, and publish the new process and agreements on Meta-Wiki. The committee will again seek community input approximately six months after any changes are adopted to gauge effectiveness and if any additional changes are necessary.

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Voting has begun for eligible voters in the 2015 elections for the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) and FDC Ombudsperson. Questions and discussion with the candidates for the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) and FDC Ombudsperson will continue during the voting. Nominations for the Board of Trustees will be accepted until 23:59 UTC May 5.

The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) makes recommendations about how to allocate Wikimedia movement funds to eligible entities. There are five positions on the committee being filled.

The FDC Ombudsperson receives complaints and feedback about the FDC process, investigates complaints at the request of the Board of Trustees, and summarizes the investigations and feedback for the Board of Trustees on an annual basis. One position is being filled.

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