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First quoteǃEdit

I made my first quote could someone check it out? q:fr:Monique Wittig Nattes à chat (talk) 16:34, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Ideas for postcardsEdit

added in Wikiquote
quote : Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu'au bout pour que vous puissiez le dire.
pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre
no picture
quote : We have to care about our bodies and what we put in them. Women have to take the time to focus on our mental health—take time for self, for the spiritual, without feeling guilty or selfish. The world will see you the way you see you, and treat you the way you treat yourself. "Beyoncé Wants to Change the Conversation", interview with Elle (4 April 2016)
there is a picture
there is a picture
quote : engine is the material expression of any indefinite function of any degree of generality and complexity. As quoted by Rosen, Kenneth H. (2013). Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications, McGraw-Hill, ISBN 9780071315012. p.29. (suggested because it is not a quote about womanhood, but one about Maths and engines)

webinar dateEdit

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:

Hello. Camelia propose to host a webinar in the next few days, to explain Wikiquote to anyone interested. This is part of the #SheSaid initiative :) If interested, we are asking you what would be your favorite timeslot on doodle. https://doodle.com/poll/p48ypwnffszhu8e6 Cheers. Anthere (talk) 10:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

#SheSaid drive on bcl Wikiquote incubatorEdit

Hello everyone,

I would just want to ask if it's possible to join this campaign even if our local Wikiquote is still in its incubator status. This will be of very big help for us since we're not only developing the status of the local Wikiquote but also doing contributions for this movement. Thank you very much! Kunokuno (talk) 15:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Please do! —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiGapEdit

Ukrainian Wikiquote join WikiGap 2021 with the hashtags #WikiGap, #SheSaid: q:uk:Вікіцитати:WikiGap 2021, q:uk:Категорія:Статті WikiGap 2021.--Сергій Липко (talk) 02:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for mentionning it ! Anthere (talk)

These postcards are missing imagesEdit

Yes, thank you. It is true ! It is not a bug, it is a feature. This was to outline that those women actually did not have a picture on Commons... They need pictures :) Anthere (talk)

Next SheSaidEdit

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:

Hello. We'll host a new SheSaid in October 2021 ! I hope you are still keen to participate this year !

There is something new this year. Several women will host events in their countries to present Wikiquote and host edit-a-thon as part of SheSaid (and more generally to reflect on the gender gap of course). You may already know some of them, whilst others are new comers and will benefit from your warm and friendly collective support.
Some submitted some rapid grant requests and if you think their proposals are good and you want to support the development of wiki activities in their countries, please drop by the grant request and add your support; This would be much appreciated. The list :

Permission to add results from BCL and TL WikiquoteEdit

Hi Anthere, this is just to ask permission if we can also add from the list the primary results of the edits we had on both BCL and TL Wikiquote which are currently on incubator. We will be manually counting the created articles since the #SheSaidPH2021 we used on hashtag tracker generate no results. Our campaign will end by this month but we would be happy to share the initial results of our local campaign here. Thank you very much.Kunokuno (talk) 11:59, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely ! Just go forward. Please do. I was going to ask you ! I know the hashtag tool does not work (bummer). So yes, it is more complicated. So please yes, we do need you to report the PH2021 figures ! Anthere (talk) @Kunokuno:
Hi Anthere, it was just now that I've added the contributions we have for the Central Bikol and Tagalog Wikiquote. Took me quite a while before I was able to notice your reply on my first message, apologies. I was able to see the post on Twitter this morning and I was reminded. :) Congratulations on the great turn out of the SheSaid Campaign 2021 for all the participating communities. Kunokuno (talk) 13:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Ah !!! Good ! Let’s update the latest figures ! Yes, Candy posted the results today. There is a blog post too ! https://www.wikiloveswomen.org/2022/01/24/shesaid-2021-global-campaign-results/ Anthere (talk) 15:42, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

News from the hashtag toolEdit

Some of you know that the hashtag tool has stopped working at some point and this is making our lives a bit more complicated for tracking.

I reported the issue on Phabricator and got some news !

Sorry for the delay in looking into this - the tool isn't officially maintained and I missed this. It looks like the last data we have is September 30th.
I'm trying to fix this today; the problem appears to be an SSL error in the collection script container - it can't connect to the eventstream. Suspect this has to do with us using an old VM so I'm going to aim to hit two birds with one stone and upgrade production to Debian Stretch.
Once this gets up and running again we'll be able to collect historical data from up to 30 days ago, but unfortunately will have lost anything between then and September 30th.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T296410

Anthere (talk) 12:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Did I mention that the tool is down again ? SIGH Anthere (talk)

Incoming results SheSaid-2021Edit

Nice !!! Anthere (talk)

And this is the blogpost to announce the results ! https://www.wikiloveswomen.org/2022/01/24/shesaid-2021-global-campaign-results/ Anthere (talk)


Results 2021 !Edit

Hello friends !

The SheSaid drive is over ! All results may be found here.

For 2021, nine different language communities contributed – Italian, Ukrainian, English, Tagalog, Igbo, Spanish, French, Central Bikol, and Catalan. In addition to the global drive, 12 members of Wiki Loves Women’s Focus Group held local training and participation drives with their communities.

Across the 9 language Wikiquotes a collective of 1,514 articles were created. This ensures that 1,514 notable women whose voices and wisdom had previously not been featured, can now be easily accessed. Articles for a further 309 women were improved. In addition, 638 articles featuring notable women were created on Kinyarwanda Wikipedia (Wikipediya mu Kinyarwanda) by the activities of the Wiki Loves Women Focus Group member in Rwanda in collaboration with Wikimedia Rwanda Usergroup.

The Italian language community through the enthusiasm of the Wiki Donne user group was again the most outstanding contributor to the SheSaid Campaign. This community created articles about 609 women and improved a further 227 articles. The next prolific contender, the Tagalog language community (currently in incubator status) created 308 new articles. The third highest contributing language community was to the EnglishUkrainian language Wikiquote by creating 169 articles and improving a further 55 articles.

Below are the stats impact for the SheSaid Campaign across 9 different languages that participated in 2021;

The lack of women’s voices in the digital domain is a global issue, one that we can collective work on in order to change how women are viewed. Wiki Loves Women is awed by the response and enthusiasm to the second edition of this drive, and looks forward to the third version in 2022! We urge that anyone can join this initiative and continue to make an impact by adding more articles about women !

Anthere (talk) 10:07, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

SheSaid 2022 !Edit

Hello,

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:, @Joy Agyepong:, @Jaluj:, @Alice Redhotroof:, @Tiputini:, @Rina.sl:, @Shybetsky:, @CatonMA2:, @DaSupremo:, @Kunokuno:, @Mohibalvi:, @MaroBos:, @어떤 자유 사회도 말을 두려워해서는 안 된다:, @Prithee P:, @Brazal.dang:, @Malik2Mars:, @James Moore200:, @Bukky658:, @Ruwaym:.

The #SheSaid campaign will return in October 2022. To better organize this edition, we would like to know whether you plan participating to it or not :)

There is still time. But in case you need funding, please be aware that the application for a small grant to the Wikimedia Foundation needs to be done before the 1st September 2022!

We plan to organise an office hour dedicated to the @SheSaid campaign in July.

If you are interested (even if not sure to join #SheSaid because it will depend on a thousand of things), please drop your name below so that we make sure to inform you !

Cheers

Anthere (talk) 19:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I will probably only participate to the extent that I will try to make new pages for women in my spare time: I don't have a plan for programmatic additions. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Oh, and as an admin at en.wq, I will encourage the same. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Great ! Thanks User:Koavf. Anthere (talk)
I am really interested but faced misuse of access. Some small wikis suffers a lot. I have been blocked indefinite in Persian Wikiquote based on Persian Wikipedia's gossips, and I have issues in Arabic Wikiquote too, just been blocked for a week; Because lack of the local policies like Image use policy, Quotability, etc... and a pro-blocking admin there, made me semi-retired. Ruwaym (talk) 20:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Bytheway, I Improved many entires of women in both Arabic and Persian Wikiqoutes, out of time, like: Farzaneh Ta'idi, Shirin Ebadi, Farzaneh Kabuli, Googoosh, Leila Forouhar, Tahmineh Milani, Fatemeh Mo'tamed-Araia, Niki Karimi - Ibtihal al-Khatib, Nadin Labaki, Rahma Riad, Arab women and Women. They really said cool things.
But the access-holders are not chosen for their logical reasoning and familiarity with universal principles, "community consensus" is always matter, even if a clear violation occurs. So #SheSaid cannot be universal while there is misuse of access by local people in small wikis. With Regards. Ruwaym (talk) 20:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Tough :((( Anthere (talk) 23:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Here it is the 2022 Italian page event. We absolutely need the central notice banner this year, can someone already start to think about? 🥰 --Camelia (talk) 21:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Good idea Camelia. We can definitely do that. Do you suggest we ask for a central notice only on wikiquote ? Are wikiquote/meta ? Or more than that ? What do you think ? User:Ciell can probably help on this ? Anthere (talk)
@Anthere Of course, having it on Wikipedia and Wikiquote, even if not for all the two month (let's say 2 weeks at the beginning), would be great. But should work also only on Wikiquote, I know communities have many things to promote with banners (WokiDonne itself has other activities during that period that would like to know). --Camelia (talk) 07:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Ok. Let me create a quick request and we can discuss with the central notice admin what would be the best regime of display depending on what’s displayed at that time. Anthere (talk)
To be discussed here : CentralNotice/Request/SheSaid Anthere (talk) 09:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I hope I will be attending on jawp and maybe on wikidata.   Question: One small ripple. Have many-one encouraged your community to add hashtag on article-talkpage for SheSaid? I am keen to know if before/after hashtag, you find more articles added locally? My hunch is that ear-marking those contribute/support SheSaid is a convenient way to those people among jawp editors/readers who are not quite happy about adding not-popular female somebody. Very sorry, but I sense supporting equality/lowering gender gap on jawp has lowered its voltage, and wonder how it will attract more editors/readers on the subject. Me personally love to hear stories of who said what, and thrilled to listened to the She sphere <3 --Omotecho (talk) 22:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Omotecho Same for me. It's not just about the Women, not about Patriarchy vs Feminism, It's about being Liberal and Modernist. Liberalism and Humanism is not widely accepted in Persian and Arab wp and wk. I faced troubles there, a multi-identital-cultural-racial user have no choice but to contribute only in English projects. Ruwaym (talk) 10:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
I do not think anyone added the hashtag on the talk page of the articles. Worth trying... Perhaps you could try a template, mentioning the article is from #shesaid ? Anthere (talk)
@Anthere, hi, the hashtag idea is borrowed from w:en:Women_in_Red. @Camelia might have better orientation to offer from WiR sphere please? --re-positioned my comment as timestamp-wise. Omotecho (talk) 02:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC) / Omotecho (talk) 01:38, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Side note, we can use queries such as this one to track the use of a hashtag. Anthere (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi, @Anthere, thank you that you mentioned the hushtag app is not running, and appreciate you are running query by yourself! The teach-in was so fruitful for me to see and I would love to sail on the "calm waters" you introduced the Zoom meeting ppl to a night ago (18:00 in my timezone, 15 October 2022). Arigatow, thank you, merci! (= I ponder how I will pay forward to ja speaking community my learnings. --Omotecho (talk) 09:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Dear Anthere,

thanks for the notification and update on this year's #Shesaid Campaign. I would love to organise a local meetup / editathons for Librarians in Nigeria to promote the use and contributions of Librarians to Wikiqoute. Please keep me updated on the proposed date for the office hours. Thanks, Bukky658 (talk) 09:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello dear Bukky658. This is noted !!! Anthere (talk)


Hi Anthere, our group will definitely join this campaign this year considering also that both the wikiquote projects we're working on incubator might get it's own domain soon. :) Thanks for the invite. In behalf of Wiki Advocates Philippines. Kunokuno (talk) 11:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Great ! It would also be awesome if you were out of the incubator in October ! Anthere (talk)

I will be participating. Issahiddris (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Nice ! Anthere (talk) 14:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Anthere: SheSaid on the Ukrainian Wikiquote will be held on October 10 - November 30.--Сергій Липко (talk) 12:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Сергій Липко: I added you the query to help tracking ! Anthere (talk)
@Anthere: thank you!--Сергій Липко (talk) 20:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Meetings, office hoursEdit

Hello

  • To present quickly the drive to newcomers
  • To discuss what needs to be done to prepare the drive (visuals, banners, templates etc.)
  • To help submitting grant requests if required
  • Or simply to meet others :)

The following times are proposed with the Zoom links:

  • Wednesday 20th July 2022 at 5:30 pm UTC+2 (for english speakers) : [1]
  • Samedi 23 Juillet at 10:00 am UTC+2 (pour francophones) : [2]
  • Saturday 23rd July at 11:00 am UTC+2 (for english speakers) : [3]

Looking forward to talking to anyone interested

Anthere (talk) 20:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Resources

SheSaid 2022 Grant Request TemplateEdit

Dear all,

Following up our office hours, please find here the SheSaid 2022 Grant Request Template.

Please Note that if you intend to organize a local event, you need to apply for a grant to the Wikimedia Foundation before the 1st September 2022.

Cheersǃ
Afek91 (talk) 13:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the reminder Prithee P (talk) 12:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing Bukky658 (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Content duplicationEdit

Dear Islahaddow,

You have reverted my edit without any explanation. I probably should have asked before doing this massive change, I chose to be bold instead.

  • Shouldn’t we have the header menu in the main page?
  • Is this expected to have the same content duplicated through pages? If so, cannot we use transclusion instead of repeating the same content, to facilitate maintenance and translation?

-- Pols12 (talk) 20:43, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Dear User:Pols12
This was a glitch in my system and I apologise for inadvertently reverting your edit. I had so many tabs open while doing the banner change and page rearrangement that when I closed down my browser it automatically saved an earlier version, thereby reverting your change. I am sorry ... I was grateful for your boldness and do not let this hold you back in future ... Islahaddow (talk) 10:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
OK, thank you for the explanation! 🙂 -- Pols12 (talk) 12:15, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
be bold... Pols12. AND PLEASE, your help is more than welcome with the translation tags. Moving pages around ... I do not really know how to most efficiently fix the translation tags. Anthere (talk)

Meetings before end of AugustEdit

As you may know, the deadline for applying for a grant to organize a #SheSaid local event is the 1st September 2022.

If you have any question or any problem with the grant applications, please join our 2 Office Hours. The Wiki In Africa team is happy to help.

Cheers!

Thanks for the update. I missed this session. Is there a recording? Bukky658 (talk) 12:52, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

No, we usually do not record office hours. Sorry about that. We’ll do more meetings end of September. If you have questions about a rapid grant, please drop the link here and/or contact me ! You may also try to show at tonight meeting (meant for French speaking, but if you have a quick question in English, it should do). Anthere (talk) 13:17, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Grant requestEdit

SheSaid Philippines 2022Edit

Hi everyone,

This is just to notify the organizers that the Wiki Advocates Philippines will be joining this year's campaign through our own local Wikiquote projects, Wikisambit and Wikikawikaan who are both scheduled to have their own domains soon. We are open to any form of collaboration or any task that would be assigned to our group as support for the International campaign. The group is also working on a grant request to support this year's local campaign. Thank you very much. On behalf of Wiki Advocates Philippines, Kunokuno (talk) 06:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

This is great news Antony ! Anthere (talk) 17:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
@Kunokuno: Hi. I am a big confused as to where is your portal page to track info for 2022... can you help ? Anthere (talk) 11:04, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Anthere, here is our event page for this year's campaign: SheSaid Philippines 2022. There is no yet participant lists but some local editors are already starting to edit on Wikiquote projects using the #SheSaid #SheSaidPH2022. We are planning to have in-person edit-a-thon by next week. Kunokuno (talk) 14:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Great Antony. I update the page accordingly. Great visuals by the way ! Anthere (talk) 14:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Central NoticeEdit

Hello. A request has been done here : CentralNotice/Request/SheSaid but has not yet seems to generate much attention. User:Ciell and Camelia, can you be the leads on this part and make sure it happens ? Anthere (talk)

OK. --Camelia (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello @Camelia.boban @Ciell – We have lots of images and materials that can be used to make an arresting site notice for SheSaid - what do you need from me? Islahaddow (talk) 11:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Islahaddow, I learned in the TG channel that @Jeremyb would be designing the banner and the campaign. I do not really have the bandwith to coordinate global banners atm, also because there is a bug that requires a CN admin (or the steward) to be around al through the campaign to check for and push to live all the translations that come in. This means a lot of extra work.... :(
In general on the banner request, I would say: please limit the number of countries you want to target to the number of countries actually participating in the campaign. As you can see in the calendar, October is a busy month for CN campaigns. Ciell (talk) 10:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@Islahaddow can I propose to create a derivative of File:Wikiloveswomen logo piece only.png with instead of the Women in the center, a small speaking cloud or something similair? The CN banner request still needs:
  • one landing page
  • one image
  • a line of text of 50-70 characters.
Ciell (talk) 09:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

SheSaid Visuals 2022.Edit

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:, @Joy Agyepong:, @Jaluj:, @Alice Redhotroof:, @Tiputini:, @Rina.sl:, @Shybetsky:, @CatonMA2:, @DaSupremo:, @Kunokuno:, @Mohibalvi:, @MaroBos:, @어떤 자유 사회도 말을 두려워해서는 안 된다:, @Prithee P:, @Brazal.dang:, @Malik2Mars:, @James Moore200:, @Bukky658:, @Ruwaym:.

Hello all, I am happy to share with you this year's visuals that I've been working on. If you have any comment, suggestion or a quote to add, please contact me (afek[at]wikiinafrica.org).

Afek91 (talk) 23:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Comment: gorgeous. Generally, I do like white-text-on-color background, but there can sometimes be issues with display, printing, accessibility, or readability. I don't think that's true here, but some typographic designers prefer to avoid that for those reasons. Good luck with that fourth one: I can easily see the scenario where you get some very negative feedback for it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
I love them Afek ! Anthere (talk) 11:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment: thank you!--Jalu (talk) 20:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

SheSaid 2022 banners.Edit

Hello all,

So I share with you the banners we suggest, which one do you prefer? Please feel free to make suggestions.

Afek91 (talk) 11:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

my personal favorite is the third. Second best is the first image. Anthere (talk) 11:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
I think i see why the third is your favorite. I personally like that one as well Prithee P (talk) 17:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
I'll pick the second, a manga/comic touch. Which will apeal to Japanese speaking communities. (; Omotecho (talk) 11:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Putting Elliot Page on a banner about women quotes and misgendering him twice seems rather awkward, to say the least.
It could be seen as offensive and I guess a lot more quotes could be included instead. TheSingleMalt (talk) 13:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposition of WebinarsEdit

Hello...

So... I am going to see with @Natacha LSP when I could do a small training session in French in partnership with LSP...

Does anyone feel like hosting a webinar + Q&A in English ? Perhaps amongst those who participated last year ? I can help and I can join of course. I am super packed this week, but I am at home this week-end (perhaps a Saturday morning for Europeans-Africans (around 10 UTC+2 ?) or super late on Friday for others (around 11 UTC+2 ?). Thoughts ?

Next week will be complicated for I as well because I will be travelling with Wikimedia France to help on a giant edit-a-thon. I will do SheSaid stuff, but it would be very complicated for me to host or join a webinar (not sure when I will be free, not sure about the internet connexion...) Anthere (talk) 11:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

It's great that a training video will be made available in French. Does that mean there would not be any made this year in English? Prithee P (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Saturday morning should be a free time for most and hopefully, a lot of interested participants should be available as well.
What Saturday are you refering to tho? This Saturday? Prithee P (talk) 17:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

We have a long one from last year... those are the things we have in our current box...Anthere (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I have seen the video, really helpful. I could make a shorter version in English, at least for the Nigerian community and anyone that wants to use it as well Prithee P (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
But the potential problem is that it is 30 mn long. VERY long. Does anyone feel like doing a shorter version this year (in English or any other language ?)
My proposition
  • Office Hour time on Saturday 8th. 11Am UTC+2 : we can discuss/finalize site notice, social media promotion, agenda for training in other languages, any question : cancelled.
  • Launching Webinar on Saturday 15th October. 11 AM UTC+2. Presentation of the project and Wikiquote training. English. Recorded and hosted on YouTube for those who can not attend : CONFIRMED
  • Training session on the Saturday 12th of November. 11 AM UTC+2. English. NOT CONFIRMED
  • Training session in French. Thursday 20th of October. 20 PM UTC+2. French. CONFIRMED link
  • Other...

Anthere (talk) 09:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Anthere, I had not seen these posts sorry. I think 2 hours on a thursday lunch might not birng many people but let's go for that if you wish. We could also do it in the evenening :) Natacha LSP (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Natacha LSP: let’s continue the conversation on LSP telegram so as to identify the best time. Anthere (talk) 11:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Also.... please consider joining the Telegram channel : https://t.me/+Ro2OSi68A6E13vaS

Launching Webinar on Saturday 15th October. 11 AM UTC+2. Presentation of the project and Wikiquote training. English. CONFIRMED.
Link : https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86277195329

Demo video in FrenchEdit

Eh... I recorded a demo of article creation :)

Anthere (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Queries for trackingEdit

We can duplicate for as many languages we want

Anthere (talk) 23:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello again. I did it in more languages. We currently have English, French, Spanish, Italian, Ukrainian here Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid/Participating Communities. I have not been able to do it in Igbo and Bengali (the language code does not show in Quary). Maybe this is because the wikis are very new ? Anthere (talk) 11:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

SheSaid 2022ː five key spaces for engagement and knowledge.Edit

 
WLW SheSaid puzzle logo

Dear all,

The #shesaid campaign is running. We are excited about the 3rd year of this competition.

I am contacting you to see if there are any updates or problems that the team can assist with. I’d also like to share with you five key spaces for engagement and knowledge sharing with the team and other local organisers.

  1. Is your community listed on the Participation Page? If not, please do so here.
  2. Join the next office hour: The Wiki Loves Women team will be happy to answer all your questions during the next office hour, on Thursday, 13th October 2022 at 1pm UTC+2. [meet.google.com/dsr-mhze-qct Link to join]
  3. SheSaid Webinar: Join our webinar this Saturday, 15th October 2022 at 11am UTC+2. Link to join
  4. SheSaid Webinar FRENCH: Jeudi 20 Octobre. 20 PM UTC+2. French. CONFIRMED lien
  5. If you have any questions or suggestions, you can add them here.
  6. If you would like to chat, please join our Wiki GenderGap Telegram group.

Here are some useful links to spread the word:

  1. You can find all the new and old visuals on commons here. If you have a special quote that you want to be mentioned on social media, please email me, I will be happy to create social media visuals for you.
  2. You can find here all the material (documents, videos..) explaining how to edit Wikiquote in different languages.

Please be sure to share our posts on social media (we will share yours too!!)

  1. Hashtags to use: #shesaid #WLW
  2. Twitter: @WikiLovesWomen
  3. Instagram: @WikiLovesWomen
  4. Facebook: fb.com/WikiLovesWomen

Looking forward to hearing from you! Afek91 (talk) 14:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

NPOV violation in the landing pageEdit

Phrase "Aside from the alpha male displayed on home page, check out the people list and look for women..." may be seen acceptable in English (I don't know), but in literal translation into Russian (as example) this become radically non-neutral. Generally, sarcastic style is bad practice. Kaganer (talk) 22:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

It’s fine in Russian as well as in English. It’s supposed to be a sarcastic note about the state of Wikiquote’s coverage. It fulfils that purpose in both languages. stjn[ru] 12:26, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Nope. Kaganer (talk) 18:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
I mean, we’re both Russian speakers, so it’s just your opinion against mine. The fact that you don’t like the joke doesn’t mean that the joke is ‘not acceptable’ in Russian. stjn[ru] 21:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Joke may be, sure. But this joke is not good - for Wikimedia space. Kaganer (talk) 09:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Hmmmm... three things... first... welcome to your first edition in Russian !

Second... could you please add the link to the SheSaid project page in Russian ? I do not read Russian myself, but it would be great to add it the list of all language project pages... here Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid/Participating Communities

Third... I must say that my understanding of « Alpha » male is such that this mention of « Alpha » is not appropriate to the main page. According to Wikipedia, it means in groups of animals is the most dominant male of its social group. The Alpha male is to be opposed to the beta males, the first being the dominant over the other males. This is quite unrelated to what we are currently doing... I am fairly sure that amongst all the men having entries in Wikiquote, some are alpha and some beta... and so what ? Plus, it is rather slang vocabulary... not super professional. But in any cases... this is unrelated to what we are doing.
What we are trying to do is to give more visibility to our most notable women.
So I’d say that the above sentence is not appropriate. It should be rephrased. But again, I do not read Russian... so can only rely on you to do the best thing :) Usually... relying on facts is a pretty cool thing to do. Anthere (talk) 11:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Speaking of facts on entries from wikiquote also in Wikidata

Anthere (talk) 11:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

  • @Anthere: It is not about alpha, it is about male. Russian language has no direct, concise and neutral equivalents for English male and female. The equivalents for male animal and female animal (самец and самка, the former used in the translation of alpha male) are strictly for animals. Using them to address people is a gross insult. Unless, of course, the person publicly accepts the sexually-loaded language - which, I believe, Trump did not, certainly not in its Russian-language connotation. Retired electrician (talk) 15:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
oh.... I see... hmmm... but then... do you have any project that seeks to close the gender gap in Russian ? If so, which terminology do they use ? The message could avoid using male/female (thus giving it a sexual tone) and rather focus on the gender gap ? Anthere (talk)

Ideas for translating "SheSaid" into languages with no gendered pronounsEdit

Hungarian has no gendered pronouns (the word for 'he' and 'she' is the same in Hungarian). Any thoughts on a good way to translate "SheSaid"? How is it done in Estonian, Finnish, Chinese and other nongendered languages? -- Malatinszky (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Keep the name of the initiative as is ? (#SheSaid) Anthere (talk) 22:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
It's translated correctly for Chinese. There is a different word for "he" vs. "she". OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Эта кампания конечно хороша, но...Edit

Можно ли создать ещё какую-нибудь кампанию, в которой я сам смогу поучаствовать. С удовольствием занялся бы созданием символов Юникода в викисловаре.-- Блинов Рюрик Петрович (talk + contributions) 08:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Translation : Is it possible to create another campaign in which I myself can participate. I would love to create Unicode characters in Wiktionary.
I’d love to see some Russian quotes here as well. My suggestion... 1) create a project page on the Russian Wikiquote. 2) add your project page here
But please note SheSaid is done on Wikiquote... not on Wiktionary ! Anthere (talk) 15:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

New training optionsEdit

  • Saturday 26th of November. 10 am UTC+1 (Paris time). It will be on Zoom : link. user:Anthere will welcome you ! If interested, please indicate your name below
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Reminders

  1. If you participate, please list yourself here : [4]
  2. If you would like to chat, please join the Wiki GenderGap Telegram group.
  3. Hashtags to use: #shesaid #WLW
  4. Twitter: @WikiLovesWomen
  5. Instagram: @WikiLovesWomen
  6. Facebook: fb.com/WikiLovesWomen

Gamal SheridanEdit

born on the (22nd of November 2005) in Cairo,Egypt the first Egyptian member of the Sheridan family his father Farrell Francis Sheridan and his mother Marwa Mohammad Gamal Zaki Gamal.Sheridan (talk) 21:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

hmmm. Hello ? Anthere (talk) 17:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


Wolof WikiquoteEdit

The Wolof Wikiquote is on the verge of being closed! I have added as much as I can, but it (and the other Wolof projects) need some tender loving care form someone who knows the language. If that can be part of the She Said project so much the better! Rich Farmbrough 20:59 13 November 2022 (GMT).

Upcoming FilmEdit

There is a film that shares the same name "She Said" which is set for release this weekend (November 18th, 2022).

The banners notifying users of #sheSaid could be misconstrued as advertising. Cashew.wheel (talk) 11:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

That's true and kind of an unfortunate coincidence. Do you have a recommendation? —Justin (koavf)TCM 12:16, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
It is unfortunate. Perhaps rewording the banner to emphasize the "Wikipedia Loves Women" and not focus on the hashtag #sheSaid? Cashew.wheel (talk) 17:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
I see what you're saying. To be clear, this initiative works for Wikipedia, sure, but it's mainly about Wikiquote, a sister project to Wikipedia. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Indeed... in the meanwhile, I will add a mention at the top of the page... but yeah... it is about Wikiquote, not Wikipedia Anthere (talk) 16:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Dr. Hoàng Xuân SínhEdit

I'd like to nominate Dr. Hoàng Xuân Sính, the first Vietnamese female mathematician, a student of Grothendieck, the founder of Thang Long University in Hanoi. --Fourier-Deligne Transgirl (talk) 12:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

If you'd like to include material about her in this campaign, you can find a source for quoting her and add that to one of the many editions of Wikiquote that exist. The English-language one is largest, but you are welcome to edit any of them and already have an account there with the same credentials that you used to post your message above. —Justin (koavf)TCM 13:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

SheSaid 2022 - Any news?Edit

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:, @Joy Agyepong:, @Jaluj:, @Alice Redhotroof:, @Tiputini:, @Rina.sl:, @Shybetsky:, @CatonMA2:, @DaSupremo:, @Kunokuno:, @Mohibalvi:, @MaroBos:, @어떤 자유 사회도 말을 두려워해서는 안 된다:, @Prithee P:, @Brazal.dang:, @Malik2Mars:, @James Moore200:, @Bukky658:, @Ruwaym:.

Dear all,

The #SheSaid campaign is still running till the 31st December 2022. I wanted to email you to get some updates:

  1. Did you/ do you intend to organize an event? If yes, please share with us(photos, meta page, links..)
  2. Do you have any specific questions? Do you need any help?
  3. Did you have any challenges/ problems that you would like to report?

Hashtag #SheSaid

Please do not forget to use the hashtag #SheSaid while editing on Wikiquote. This is really VERY important as it allows tracking of articles created and modified.

Office Hour

Join the next office hour : The Wiki Loves Women team will be happy to answer all your questions during the next office hour, on Saturday, 26th November 2022 at 10am UTC+1. Link to join: https://meet.google.com/gkf-macg-hij

Communications and Social media

The Wiki Loves Women team is running a social media campaign (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram), I hope that you have some time to take a look at it.

You can find all the visuals here, please feel free to share and use them. If you have a specific woman that you would like in your language, please let me know, I will create visuals for you.
Afek91 (talk) 13:53, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @Afek91, I nominated myself to add citation for Utada Hikaru, then my challenge is that to find the equivalent quote in Japanese language. I expected the workflow: (1) try machine translation and match for Utada's quote, (2) search online to target that translation, and (3) bingo! However, I am stacked with (1). I am not a French speaker, so maybe I shall drop self nomination on the Workboard, what do you think? Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 14:21, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Meeting SheSaid nowEdit

Saturday 26th. 10 am UTC+1. We will host on zoom. The link : https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89680421918 Anthere (talk) 09:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Question about this projectEdit

Hi everyone. I think this is a wonderful initiative and I definitely intend to spread the word about it on my blog. I just wanted to check and make sure that the goal of the project is to showcase actual women (adult human females, born females, without male genitalia)? I hate to have to clarify, but unfortunately there is already so much intrusion into women’s spaces by men masquerading as women that I feel it’s necessary. Thanks. Realwomenfirst (talk) 02:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

This project does not have any perspective on which kind of genitals someone has to have, therefore, you will not want to promote it on your blog. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:51, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Ho Koavf, if you mean to equate women such as myself with real concerns about the erosion of womanhood, rights, and sexuality with “genital fetishists,” perhaps you should think about how better to veil your personal attack. If it’s acceptable for you, for example, to refer to a lesbian’s lack of sexual attraction to men as a genital obsession, then would it be acceptable for me to refer to a transgender “lesbian” as an autogynephilic fetishist? Realwomenfirst (talk) 19:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
This isn't a forum for hateful conspiracy theories. I've answered your question, we're not getting into a debate here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:14, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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