Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Voting

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Unable to vote,

https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/1341 gives "You must log in to vote in this election - please try following the link from your Special:SecurePoll on your local Wikimedia site." If I go to https://vote.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Special%3ASecurePoll%2Fvote%2F1341 to log in, I get: This wiki is maintained only to host elections. There should be no need to edit it, and you do not need to be logged in to vote. Vexations (talk) 16:30, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Vexations: The votewiki is set up for voters to jump from local wikis. m:Special:SecurePoll/vote/391 is the Meta-wiki jump page, each project will have one listed in Special:SecurePoll. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 18:50, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

This was more about the user-friendliness of the error messages. For people with the same problem; do not try to open the link of the 'Go to the voting server' button in a new tab. Vexations (talk) 19:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Where is the discussion that is mentioned on the Content page? Is this it? Shearonink (talk) 00:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Vexations: I added a message to hopefully make this a bit more intuitive (as well as the words "on this wiki" to the phrase you highlighted here). Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 19:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Voting localization

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T97923

Hi,

Is there a convenient way to vote with translation?

The Secure Poll extension is fully translated into Hebrew, but I couldn't find a way to switch away from English.

When I go to https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/1341 , I see "Welcome, Amire80", but there's also a "Log in" link at the top and the language selector doesn't appear.

If I manually do https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/1341?uselang=he, I see the word "welcome" in Hebrew, but everything else is in English. (Also, I happen to know how to write this manual URL, but I'm a power user of MediaWiki localization. Most people don't know how to do it.)

Is there no way to translate this survey? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Amire80: Great to see you. We are enriched by the many volunteer translations of the ballot: Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Voting/Translations; however, the Hebrew translation is only partial for now. Once it is completed, we can add to SecurePoll. With many thanks to all for the translation help. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 14:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xeno (WMF), I completed the translation, but I'm still wondering how can I actually get to a fully localized voting form in any language. Russian is 100% translated, but I don't know how do I get to a Russian form conveniently, without having to do URL tricks. Is this conveniently available to wiki users?

Also, was an invitation to translate this form sent to the Hebrew Wikipedia community in some way? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining further - looking into that now.

The ballot itself was requested for translation via Special:NotifyTranslators. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Amire80, I believe this issue is a technical one so I can't dig into too deeply with my own skillset. But in the interim, I've added a template to the English version that will link voters to a translated ballot; that's a bit of a hack but hopefully will mitigate the problem for voters who see an English ballot they can't necessarily read. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 19:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh drat, I indeed received this notification and missed it. My bad! I guess it's a case of notification blindness :(

The template you added is a good step forward as a solution for now. Thanks for that! Another suggestion is to move the language selection earlier in the process. If I understand correctly, the page Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Voting is the main entry point to the voting. It would be great if the "VOTE HERE" button on it took the user directly to their language. If I select Russian on that page and click that button (ГОЛОСОВАТЬ ЗДЕСЬ), I arrive to English. It makes more sense to me that it would take the voter directly to a Russian voting form (Russian is just an example, and the same is true for all languages).

It would be really nice to smooth out the whole voting localization process for the next big vote, whenever that is... probably 2022 Board elections? I brought up the same problems on Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Post mortem, and it is mentioned as an area to improve on Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Post Analysis, and there's still work to be done. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 07:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. I know English well enough to understand the written text, so I don't mind that much. But it would definitely be nicer. — Polda18 (talk • my contributions) 09:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I was able to reproduce the behaviour of votewiki locking itself into to the language you first visit with - I think this is described at phab:T97923#1255972. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 02:58, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Translation of this page to Czech completed / Překlad této stránky do češtiny dokončen

Hi folks, I finished translation of this page to Czech. The most important details have been translated, which are of course the UCoC text itself, the Enforcement Guidlines text, and informations about voting and guide for voting.

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Zdravím, přátelé. Dokončil jsem překlad této stránky do češtiny. Nejdůležitější informace byly již přeloženy, což je samozřejmě text samotného VKCH, text Pokynů pro prosazování a informace ohledně hlasování a příručka k hlasování. — Polda18 (talk • my contributions) 09:40, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Polda18: Because of your great efforts here, there has been a 350% increase in local users voting in this election compared to the last one. Thank you again! There are just under 21 hours left, so please remind interested users. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 02:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm going to write in our Wikipedia's community chat, I guess. Part of the reason I translate pages like this from English to Czech is that when I see there's no local translation, I simply have to create it. I even translated video conversion guide here on Commons, just because there was no Czech translation for it yet. Not that anybody actually required me to do so. I do understand this is an important matter and frankly I already voted. ☺ — Polda18 (talk • my contributions) 06:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Voting eligibility should consider technical contributions

Hello, I'm currently one of the maintainers of the en WP 1.0 bot. I was slightly annoyed to learn that although I have dedicated countless hours to rewriting, deploying and maintaining this bot over the past several years, and even though it is one of the largest bots in terms of edits, I myself am not eligible to vote in the UCoC election due to:

> does not have at least 20 edits between 07 August 2021 and 06 February 2022 (has 4 so far)...

I understand that en edits are easy to quantify and are thus used as a proxy for activity, so I'm not overly upset. But it would be nice if technical contributions were considered for something like this. Not everyone contributes to Wikipedia by editing it directly.

--Audiodude (talk) 02:56, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@Audiodude: Hello, please see Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Enforcement_guidelines/Voter_information#Developers. You can send email ucocproject@wikimedia.org if you are maintainers/contributors of any tools, bots, user scripts, gadgets, and Lua modules on Wikimedia wikis. Thanks. SCP-2000 03:07, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Question

Am I understanding it correctly that only the Enforcement guidelines are voted on by the members, the Code of Conduct itself was never up to public vote? Or has there already been a public vote for the Code of Conduct previously? Nordostsüdwest (talk) 23:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

You'll find the answer to that question here and in the template on the bottom of that page. Wutsje (talk) 00:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

The answer to @Nordostsüdwest's question is not immediately clear from the pages that @Wutsje linked to. Briefly: Yes, Nordostsüdwest is correct. The UCoC was was never up to public vote. Neither is its enforcement. It will either be accepted or revised, but rejection is not an option. Vexations (talk) 10:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Publications of the results

Voting ended over a week ago. Is it true that the results haven't been published yet? If not, where can I find them. If so, what is the cause for the delay? --MarcoSwart (talk) 10:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

MarcoSwart: The vote is being scrutinized, and the results are expected to be available about 2 weeks from vote closing. By design, SecurePoll will not output a result until the poll is tallied. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 10:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Tallying digital votes typically takes a few seconds. The votes themselves are secret. So I suppose there is a reason to scrutinize the process of voting or the tallying. Not even showing preliminary election results for weeks would be a reason for scrutiny by itself in most civilized countries. So it would be reasonable to give an explanation for the delay. MarcoSwart (talk) 10:53, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

There is unfortunately no way for preliminary results to be outputted, as far as I know. Having a page on Meta-wiki explaining why this happens would be a good idea though. The process (and rationale) is described in the context of a different vote at EnWiki here: w:en:Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2021/Coordination/Instructions for scrutineers. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 10:59, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Given all the details released here It seems improbably that it takes long count yes and no. Presumably the measure failed significantly and the agenda pushers are trying to figure out how to recover. Jeepday (talk) 13:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Jeepday: Those statistics are generated from queries ran against the publicly-available voter list. Until the "tally" button is pressed, no one knows the results (and once it is pressed, the result will be public). There is some more explanation here. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 13:21, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jeepday That's not cool. I trust the scrutineers to do their work in good faith, diligently, without influence from "agenda pushers". Vexations (talk) 13:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jeepday I asked my question because in my rich experience with voting, both with ballots and digitally, the results are usually presented within a week after voting has ended. I have looked into the answers on my question. To guarantee a free vote, we have the right to change our vote until the end of voting, by simply voting again. This requires that earlier votes by the same voter are discarded at a time when they are still encrypted. Because we have voting rights if our contributions to at least one project are sufficient, it is possible that the earlier votes by a voter were based on contributions to a different project than that of their final vote. Because we want our votes to be secret, it is essential that all checks are performed before decrypting them for counting. So the voting results can't be part of the data presented now. These reasons sufficiently explain why counting the votes takes more time than I am used to. I see no reason to assume a different explanation. --MarcoSwart (talk) 15:52, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

• MarcoSwart/Jeepday/Vexations: Please see the results now available at Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Voting/Results. Note that the summarizing and de-identifying of comments will take additional time, as they have been encrypted until very recently. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 03:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)