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This is marked as eligible, based on langcom's internal discussion. Please note that there is a distinction between eligible and approved. Approval will be made by reflecting and considering the community's opinions presented in this proposal. --Sotiale (talk) 11:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code acm (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Mesopotamian Arabic Language name in English
Language name عراقي Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q56232 - item has currently the following values:
 Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality RTL Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL acm.wikipedia.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name ويكيپيديا "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace ويكيپيديا usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace كلام ويكيپيديا "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Asia/Baghdad "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
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Proposal

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There are many people who speak the Mesopotamian Arabic, and not only in Iraq, with approximately 41.2 million, so we hope that you will agree to our request because there are too many who want to participate, but being in the incubator makes it difficult for them, Of course, the language has very good terms, I think it deserves to be a separate wikipedia, Of course, there will be opponents who say that it is an Arabic language, but today you can look at the Egyptian Wikipedia, which has achieved many successes. --Ahmedadeljaff (talk)

Discussion

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Arguments in favor

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  1.   Support:Yes, yes, I strongly support the Mesopotamian Arabic. It needs a separate Wikipedia, because there are a lot of people speaking it, It differs in terms of terminology from Standard Arabic. --Ja'farAlhazeen (talk)
  2.   Support: I Support the project We want it in the local dialect. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 37.236.20.11 (talk) 19:48, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3.   Support: The project is very good and will serve the dialect widely. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 37.237.112.47 (talk) 11:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  4.   Support: Let's Make it Happen. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.199.221.4 (talk) 14:23, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  5.   Support: I am in. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 37.238.142.22 (talk) 14:31, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  6.   Support: There's an ISO code and a strong community of speakers all around the world, it should have its own Wikipedia like any other language. The Maltese, Egyptian Arabic, and Moroccan Arabic are good examples of successful Wikipedia editions of Arabic varieties. A455bcd9 (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  7.   Strong support: I strongly support, if we will create a new wiki by a language that I speak. We have millions of people speaking it, but that wiki is low of contibutors. MRidhaAJ (talk) 14:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  8.   Support: Most of the votes against are administrators in the Arabic Wikipedia after they were punished by the Wikimedia Foundation and expelled many administrators now they want to thwart any new project, and the Arabic Wikipedia is under the grip of those who expel and prevent anyone who argues with them, as if you are in a gang and not a website Sajad40 (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  9.   Support: There are a large number of speakers, and it is also different from ordinary Arabic, and there is no point in trying to lie, as I see from above Tofe1009 (talk) 18:08, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  10.   Support: There are letters in this language that do not exist in Arabic, so I do not know how they to compare them with arabic. I am certainly with this project Hubi120 (talk) 19:24, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  11.   Support: many articles about Iraqi personalities that have been deleted by the Arabic Wikipedia, and after searching for the reason, there is no clear response, or rather it does not meet the criteria they set, and it is not the main Wikipedia S8.nx (talk) 19:49, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  12.   Strong support: I knew they want to destroy the project, they lie for that only? Good that they stood a lesson at least. MRidhaAJ (talk) 19:50, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  13.   Support: I want to see the project see the light, as well as there is another matter that this project must reach everyone to gather the largest number of people and support them with what is necessary Aassaa00 (talk) 21:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  14.   Support: The arguments mentioned above are not strong and I do not support them because they come from influential people in the Arabic Wikipedia. Of course, they will reject any project that threatens their status and power over people in the Arabic Wikipedia. Aazzawi0 (talk) 21:32, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  15.   Strong support This project has a full potential to be real and a big success for the Iraqi people because many people dont realise the dialect has its own unique letters and words and sometimes even grammar! Kirkukturk3 (talk) 10:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  16.   Strong support: I think the article Mesopotamian Arabic has all the information that is needed to justify the need for this language edition of Wikipedia. It is a real language and it is the mother tongue of millions who live in Mesopotamia. It is likely that many speakers of this language also can speak Modern Standard Arabic, so they can benefit from the Arabic Wikipedia. But that is not a justification for not having this language edition, and not letting millions access Wikipedia in their mother tongue. -TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 00:03, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments against

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  1.   Strong oppose: There are no significant differences between it and the modern Arabic language --Mohanad Kh Talk 00:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment There is. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2.   Strong oppose: there are many Arabic dialects in Iraq. None of them can be considered as standard Iraqi dialects even Baghdad dialects. Iraqis speak Arabic and Arabs understand Iraqis when they are speaking. Mahmood (talk) 10:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment You mean accents. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 22:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3.   Strong oppose: The non-sense continues. Mesopotamian Arabic is just an Arabic dialect, it can not be used to describe subjects in an encyclopedic way, it will become a copy of Arabic. unbelievable that we have to go through the same discussion for every dialect in the Arab world! we have +50! + the dialect is not standardized and it differs largly between the south & north of Iraq.--Michel Bakni (talk) 10:34, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment The Mesopotamian dialect is one the only difference between north and south is accent. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 22:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4.   Strong oppose: we have been through this again and again with the Arabic accents! these are not separate spoken languages! these are only accents of the Arabic language. All Arabs understand the Iraqi and other Arabic accents. Ask any Iraqi what language does he/she speak and they'll say Arabic. Also what in the world is the "Mesopotamian Arabic"? There are several local accents in Iraq, how in the world we came up with a single common accent? These provocative and insulting requests to the Arabic Wikipedia community, and the Arabs and Arabic speaking people should stop!--باسم (talk) 10:40, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment the dialects of arabic differ from eachother, hence the reason why the dialect spoken in Iraq is called "Mesopotamian" overall it has a very big Mesopotamian influence Kirkukturk3 (talk) 21:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5.   Strong oppose It is so disturbing to see the series of unreasonable requests of arabic-dialects Wikipedias. Arabic dialects aren't languages. Standard Arabic is a language of education, government institutions and communication with other Arab people. You can't find one region in Arab world has a unique Arabic dialect. We can find many dialects in one governorate! Ahmed Naji Talk 10:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment The fact your confusing dialects with accents is really funny a Governorate of course cant have one accent but it can have one dialect dont exaggerate it. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 21:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6.   Strong oppose: Well, in Iraq there is an Arabic language, but the dialect is different in every city that has its own dialect. Fareeq Almayoofee (talk) 11:03, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment The difference is in accent no country in the Arab World has "each city has its own dialect" thing going on. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 21:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7.   Strong oppose: I am from Iraq, there is an Arabic language, but the dialect is different in every city that has its own dialect, and all the dialects are very similar to Arabic language.--أبو هشام (talk) 11:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      What? : Why do you (all users who used strong oppose template) want to reject that project? Do you want the project rejected for the second time while you are Iraqis?! MRidhaAJ (talk) 22:26, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment Again, Difference in accent only no country in the Arab World has a dialect for each city. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 21:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8.   Strong oppose: There are no need to create too many Arabic dialects wikis! AA800 (talk) 15:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment There is need for the ones who sound entirely different from its surroundings like Mesopotamian arabic. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 21:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  9.   Strong oppose: I am from Iraq, and the Arabic language is the dominant language in books and official government correspondence and even in all institutions in Iraq. Writers and academics all write in classical Arabic, and we do not encourage writing in the Iraqi language because it is not used only by part of the population and is not written only verbally. أبو جاد (talk) 18:24, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment The funny thing is iraqis do use Mesopotamian dialect in reading and writing im pretty sure your not iraqi. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 21:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  10.   Strong oppose: Atomizing Arabic into its different dialects is but a political act, it has no basis on reality, all Arabs speak Arabic as their first language, the dialects are just our informal ways of speaking aside of the formal standard one. Moreover, there is no such thing as the "Iraqi dialect", it is a group of similar smaller dialects, so which one is it? These Arabic dialects wikipedias are projects to establish standarized dialects, you can see the discussions in Darija Arabic wikipedia where they are trying to "invent" the dialect, and not only write with it.محمد الصيفي (talk) 20:49, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment this is an actual arabic dialect and not a joke it has strong Mesopotamian influences which made it distinct from the rest of the Arab World, please dont bring up random fake languages into actual real ones in discussions. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 22:01, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  11.   Strong oppose I wonder why the focus is on quantity and not quality? Why the focus on creating inactive projects? Why don't they contribute to one project because they speak one language. I am against this project because it is a dialect, not a language--Faisal talk 04:55, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment A dialect thats separate from the Standard Arabic type we even have our own unique letters. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 22:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  12.   Strong oppose As someone who is 100% proficient in the Iraqi accent and born in an Iraqi speaking area, I want to emphasize that this application should be rejected because this application is about an accent and not a language.--Abbas 09:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment First of all its a dialect and not an accent Mesopotamian arabic has its own unique letters and words im done explaining this to every single oppose i see. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 22:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Oppose As a speaker of Arabic with a dialect present in Algeria, I do not find it difficult to understand the Iraqi language. I do not find an encyclopedic value added to this project, except for the dispersal of efforts and a waste of money. Except perhaps Wiktionary by puts a specific words in it, and even this last one can also be merged into Arabic Wiktionary --Nehaoua (talk) 11:17, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment Mesopotamian arabic has its own unique letters and words im done explaining this to every single oppose i see. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 22:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  14.   Strong oppose As someone who is 100% proficient in the Iraqi accent and born in an Iraqi speaking area, I want to emphasize that this application should be rejected because this application is about an accent and not a language.--Abbas 09:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You already {{strong oppose}}ed above, why duplicate it? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:45, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  15.   Strong oppose: Wikipedia already has a vast collection of articles in Arabic, which is widely spoken and understood by millions of people across the Arab world. Moreover, creating a separate Wikipedia page in a local dialect could potentially cause confusion and fragmentation in the Arabic-language community, making it more difficult for users to find accurate and reliable information.
  16.   Strong oppose: our gool is to provide free access to knowledge for everyone, everywhere. By prioritizing the use of widely spoken and understood languages such as Arabic, we can ensure that our content is accessible to the largest number of people --Luma Salman Hameed (talk) 10:58, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  17.   Strong oppose Mr. Ibrahem (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment You didn't put a reason to reject this project. MRidhaAJ (talk) 15:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  18.   Strong oppose United project in the standart Arabic is better.--Fenikals (talk) 09:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You didn't reason your argument, also, like in a help page I readed, that "it's a discussion and not voting" MRidhaAJ (talk) 20:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Oppose As an Iraqi I claim that there is no such thing as an Iraqi dialect and this is also my mother's opinion. The dialect differs greatly between the south, center and north. The other point is that the only function of dialect projects is to deliver information to Arab individuals who know how to read and write Arabic letters, but do not master standard Arabic and I claim that the number of these is close to zero.اباالحسن وائل (talk) 19:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questions

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  Question: Why you are voting by support templates while no one from you contributes in the test wiki in Wikimedia incubator? The test wiki is low of contributors! MRidhaAJ (talk) 09:50, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, both supporters and opposers parties of this page are so suspicious, maybe request another RFCU? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:33, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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