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About the sidebar

The "Report" link on the Meta-Wiki sidebar is in historical condition. Should we change (update) it to Wikimedia Affiliates Data Portal, or just remove it from the sidebar? —— Eric Liu（Talk） 10:54, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Given that the link to the historical page exists already, it would make sense to update it, but I'm not sure how nice it will look if "Wikimedia Affiliates Data Portal" is spelt out in full. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:51, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
  Done We need translations of the words
"Reports" => Mediawiki talk:Reports-text
"Research" => Mediawiki talk:Research-text
so that they appear in the user's "Special:MyLanguage".  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:53, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
@1234qwer1234qwer4: I don't think that we need to change the descriptive word, the link change should do at this time.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:54, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:11, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The 2022 Community Wishlist Survey will happen in January

Hello everyone,

We hope all of you are as well and safe as possible during these trying times! We wanted to share some news about a change to the Community Wishlist Survey 2022. We would like to hear your opinions as well.

Summary:

We will be running the Community Wishlist Survey 2022 in January 2022. We need more time to work on the 2021 wishes. We also need time to prepare some changes to the Wishlist 2022. In the meantime, you can use a dedicated sandbox to leave early ideas for the 2022 wishes.

Proposing and wish-fulfillment will happen during the same year

In the past, the Community Tech team has run the Community Wishlist Survey for the following year in November of the prior year. For example, we ran the Wishlist for 2021 in November 2020. That worked well a few years ago. At that time, we used to start working on the Wishlist soon after the results of the voting were published.

However, in 2021, there was a delay between the voting and the time when we could start working on the new wishes. Until July 2021, we were working on wishes from the Wishlist for 2020.

We hope having the Wishlist 2022 in January 2022 will be more intuitive. This will also give us time to fulfill more wishes from the 2021 Wishlist.

Encouraging wider participation from historically excluded communities

We are thinking how to make the Wishlist easier to participate in. We want to support more translations, and encourage under-resourced communities to be more active. We would like to have some time to make these changes.

A new space to talk to us about priorities and wishes not granted yet

We will have gone 365 days without a Wishlist. We encourage you to approach us. We hope to hear from you in the talk page, but we also hope to see you at our bi-monthly Talk to Us meetings! These will be hosted at two different times friendly to time zones around the globe.

We will begin our first meeting September 15th at 23:00 UTC. More details about the agenda and format coming soon!

Brainstorm and draft proposals before the proposal phase

If you have early ideas for wishes, you can use the new Community Wishlist Survey sandbox. This way, you will not forget about these before January 2022. You will be able to come back and refine your ideas. Remember, edits in the sandbox don't count as wishes!

Feedback

  • What should we do to improve the Wishlist pages?
  • How would you like to use our new sandbox?
  • What, if any, risks do you foresee in our decision to change the date of the Wishlist 2022?
  • What will help more people participate in the Wishlist 2022?

Answer on the talk page (in any language you prefer) or at our Talk to Us meetings.

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:22, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Server switch

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The Wikimedia Foundation tests the switch between its first and secondary data centers. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to do a planned test. This test will show if they can reliably switch from one data centre to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

They will switch all traffic back to the primary data center on Tuesday, 14 September 2021.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop while the switch is made. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

  • You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Tuesday, 14 September 2021. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 WEST/BST, 16:00 CEST, 19:30 IST, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 02:00 NZST on Wednesday, 15 September).
  • If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

  • Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
  • We expect the code deployments to happen as any other week. However, some case-by-case code freezes could punctually happen if the operation require them afterwards.
This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule. There will be more notifications about this. A banner will be displayed on all wikis 30 minutes before this operation happens. Please share this information with your community.

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee ending 14 September

Movement Strategy announces the Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee. The Call opens August 2, 2021 and closes September 1 14, 2021.

The Committee is expected to represent diversity in the Movement. Diversity includes gender, language, geography, and experience. This comprises participation in projects, affiliates, and the Wikimedia Foundation.

English fluency is not required to become a member. If needed, translation and interpretation support is provided. Members will receive an allowance to offset participation costs. It is US$100 every two months.

We are looking for people who have some of the following skills:

  • Know how to write collaboratively. (demonstrated experience is a plus)
  • Are ready to find compromises.
  • Focus on inclusion and diversity.
  • Have knowledge of community consultations.
  • Have intercultural communication experience.
  • Have governance or organization experience in non-profits or communities.
  • Have experience negotiating with different parties.

The Committee is expected to start with 15 people. If there are 20 or more candidates, a mixed election and selection process will happen. If there are 19 or fewer candidates, then the process of selection without election takes place.

Will you help move Wikimedia forward in this important role? Submit your candidacy here. Please contact strategy2030 wikimedia.org with questions.

Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Talk to the Community Tech

 

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Hello!

As we have recently announced, we, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will take place on September 15th, 23:00 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.

Agenda

Format

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes without attribution will be taken and published on Meta-Wiki. The presentation (first three points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the Community Wishlist Survey talk page or send to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

Natalia Rodriguez (the Community Tech manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

See you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 03:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Redirect question

I noticed that RenameUser is redirecting to Help:Renaming users while Renameuser is a standalone MediaWiki soft redirect. I think the minor difference in capitalisation should not have a difference in meaning, so I'd like to harmonise these somehow, though I'm not sure how exactly to do that. Any thoughts? ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:41, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Anyone? ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Given that Renameuser was indeed fully imported I'd not mind redirecting it to Help:Renaming users too. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Meta:Sandbox and two bots fighting

Can I ask what the purpose is of having both MABot and Cyberbot I clean out the Meta:Sandbox?

Would not a single bot suffice? And why are they restoring to (very slightly) different pages, effectively reverting each other?

Inquiring minds want to know... :) CapnZapp (talk) 13:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

MABot was a temporary replacement until Cyberbot I fixed some issues which I've asked its operator twice to fix (see w:Special:Permalink/993466923#Cyberbot_I_on_Meta-Wiki). The bot was not suposed to edit on Meta either (see w:Special:Diff/1007364800/prev). I've just blocked it as it looks it now ignores that. I'm happy to unblock and remove my bot once Cyberbot I operator makes their bot stop adding wrong translate code to that page. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 13:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
I think I'll go ahead and submit a pull request to the bot's code myself. Once it's merged and deployed, I'll unblock the bot. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 13:54, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
https://github.com/cyberpower678/Cyberbot_I/pull/24 —MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Flood flag

Has there been a change in this flag recently? Flood flag hides all manual edits except edits that use rollback function. What's going on? Thanks! Nguyentrongphu (talk) 14:37, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

@Nguyentrongphu, if this is an actual issue, I recommend asking at Phabricator. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Translation of steward elections and confirmations

Do we have plans to make the 2022 steward elections and confirmations translatable using the extension? - Xbspiro (talk) 00:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Best to talk to the stewards at Stewards' noticeboard  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:53, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Template:Snippets/personal information conversion

Hi all. The conversation 2022 elections/confirmations highlighted some old templates that look prime to convert to the Translaton system. The one mentioned in the subject line would be a priority, though there are others at Template:Snippets/doc. It also seems we aren't doing a good job with converting things like Category:Translation templates and Category:Help translate templates. Is there a group of people here with an interest in helping modernise best?  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:45, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

And we also have Category:Translated templates.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Babel on my UserPage

Hello 👋 i have a Babel Template on my userpage and i think it is long Enough it might get longer in the near future, i am thinking of adding a feature to Babel template that shows (Collapse, uncollapse); button so i can make it hidden by default this way the userpage is not looks messy and more comfortable for me,

sorry for long explanation how can i do that?   Thank you
🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 21:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Not certain that the hackers would insert that into the mw:Extension:Babel as you can use existing wiki functionality to do that, eg. stick it in table with a collapsible cell. If you wish to pursue it then head over to phabricator: and add a babel tag to your feature request.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:34, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
@Billinghurst i just want to make it mw-collapsible   no more. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 20:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Then collapse it using traditional means, or the existing templates, you cannot currently do it within the extension. This is not the place to request it. While the same word is used, the purpose of this forum is not related to the extension.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:51, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
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