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Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft Guidelines review still needs your ideas and opinions

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Hello, this is a reminder that the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft Guidelines are open for review and comment (comments may also be left at other local venues). The Drafting Committee will start working on revisions and improvement after October 17, so it will be helpful to provide thoughts before then.

There is also a newly-published abstract that provides an overview of the draft guidelines. Please help translate to your language.

We are also hosting another conversation hour on October 15, 2021 03:00 and 14:00 UTC, as well as another functionary consultation October 7 18:00 UTC (tomorrow).

On behalf of the Drafting Committee, many thanks to everyone who has given ideas so far. We hope to hear from more of you - the Guidelines will be much stronger if more opinions are included. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding admin for Tibetan wikipedia

Hi, I am maintaining the WikiLoop Tibetan Initiative and I got feedback from Tibetan Wikipedia contributors that there is no admin for Tibetan Wikipedia and they don't know who should they talk to. See the admin user page here. Could anybody take a look and provide some clue? Thanks! Forestj (talk) 00:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Forestj: Want You be as new sysop? If Yes, so here You can send a candidate request for sysop . ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 07:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

local sitenotice landing to...

... https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Example ? (can it be that Meta is so bad in this ;-p) Zblace (talk) 10:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Zblace: our local sitenotice (MediaWiki:Sitenotice) is blank - are you referring to some other project's site notice, if so which? — xaosflux ^Talk 13:49, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: sorry - it was one from Commons! --Zblace (talk) 14:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Zblace: not seeing anything there either - is it still happening? Perhaps it was a CentralNotice? — xaosflux ^Talk 14:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I did see this CN that was pointing there, but it has been corrected. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:33, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Let's talk about the Desktop Improvements

Hello!

Have you noticed that some wikis have a different desktop interface? Are you curious about the next steps? Maybe you have questions or ideas regarding the design or technical matters?

Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements! It will take place on October 12th, 16:00 UTC on Zoom. It will last an hour. Click here to join.

Agenda

• Update on the recent developments
• Sticky header - presentation of the demo version
• Questions and answers, discussion

Format

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes will be taken in a Google Docs file. The presentation part (first two points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the talk page or send them to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

Olga Vasileva (the team manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

• Join online
• Meeting ID: 829 3670 1376
• Dial by your location

We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) 15:09, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello! I'd like to remind that the meeting will happen today. You are welcome to join! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 14:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Voting for the election for the members for the Movement Charter drafting committee is now open

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Voting for the election for the members for the Movement Charter drafting committee is now open. In total, 70 Wikimedians from around the world are running for 7 seats in these elections.

Voting is open from October 12 to October 24, 2021.

The committee will consist of 15 members in total: The online communities vote for 7 members, 6 members will be selected by the Wikimedia affiliates through a parallel process, and 2 members will be appointed by the Wikimedia Foundation. The plan is to assemble the committee by November 1, 2021.

Learn about each candidate to inform your vote in the language that you prefer: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Candidates>

Learn about the Drafting Committee: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee>

We are piloting a voting advice application for this election. Click yourself through the tool and you will see which candidate is closest to you! Check at <https://mcdc-election-compass.toolforge.org/>

Read the full announcement: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections>

Go vote at SecurePoll on: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections>

Best,

Xeno (WMF) (talk) 15:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC) (Movement Strategy & Governance Team, Wikimedia Foundation)

Regarding reasonable use of non-free images in articles regarding Hong Kong anti-extradition protests on zh.wiki

Recently there's a huge debate as user:和平至上 suddenly attempting to delete historical images en masse, claiming that because the article is not talking about the image itself, so the image has to be deleted because it's not reasonable use. How ever considering the situation in Hong Kong, it is harder and harder to obtain copy-right free image, not even the screen capture from YouTube video. A user has been argued with him, but all he got is just a robotic reply and eventually a one month ban.

E.g. here: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%AA%94%E6%A1%88%E5%AD%98%E5%BB%A2%E8%A8%8E%E8%AB%96/%E8%A8%98%E9%8C%84/2021/10/13

It is pointed out by netizen that by his logic, most of the historical articles should not have images. And his action has stirred up the local residents outside Wikipedia: https://lihkg.com/thread/2736451/page/1

I hope someone can investigate in such matter, or at least figure out a way to solve the matter. Sorry for my existence--Wolffy chan (talk) 16:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 4

Universal Code of Conduct News
Issue 4, October 2021Read the full newsletter

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Welcome to the fourth issue of Universal Code of Conduct News! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC.

If you haven’t already, please remember to subscribe here if you would like to be notified about future editions of the newsletter, and also leave your username here if you’d like to be contacted to help with translations in the future.

• Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review Wrap-up - The Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review will come to a close on 17 October 2021, after more than two months of extensive consultations. (continue reading)
• Roundtable Discussions and Conversation Hours - Another successful roundtable session happened on September 18, 2021 to discuss the EDGR. One last conversation hour will be happening on October 15th, 2021. (continue reading)
• Movement Charter Drafting Committee Elections - The Movement Charter Drafting Committee selection process has kicked off and will be open until October 25, 2021. Contributors to Wikimedia projects can elect their favorite candidates on to the committee. (continue reading)
• New Direction for the Newsletter - As we round-up the consultation processes for the Universal Code of Conduct, the facilitation team is currently envisioning new directions for the newsletter. (continue reading)
• Diff Blogs - Check out the most recent publications about the UCoC on Wikimedia Diff. (continue reading)

MNadzikiewicz (WMF) (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Effect of Apple’s iCloud Private Relay

Hello!

Communities typically block edits from IP addresses that obscure individual users. Usually, it has been about “open proxies” or virtual private networks (VPNs). Now, there's a new Apple service called iCloud Private Relay that obscures the IP addresses of desktop and mobile users of the Safari browser.

As Apple users adopt this new service, we estimate that 3-5% of all logged-in and logged-out editors will have these obscured IP addresses. If we don't change anything, they may be blocked within a few months. This wiki may be severely affected. A lot of people editing here use the Safari browser. Next, other browser providers may do the same. The problem will grow.

The communities, users with advanced MediaWiki permissions, the Wikimedia Foundation and others need to work together. We all need to decide how the security of the wikis can be maintained. At the same time, the pathways to editing should remain open for all good-faith participants.

Read more on Apple iCloud Private Relay. Answer the questions and comment on its talk page.

Thank you!

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@SGrabarczuk (WMF): I feel like this title was chosen to be attention-grabbing. If so, this is a very problematic practice. --Yair rand (talk) 21:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I agree @Yair rand, especially considering how it changes the perception and affects the discussion. We will make some changes to the main text, and potentially, to this announcement as well. Obviously, it wasn't my objective to make the announcement itself a subject of discussion. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 23:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikimania in Bangkok

Hello, Bangkok is located in Thailand and it was planned to be the location for the Wikimania in 2020 and after this edition did not happen and the 2021 edition was an online event it can be that it is the place for the 2022 edition. What I wrote here have I aksed in August after the Wikimania in the Wikimaniawiki and recieived no answer. Bangkok is located in Thailand and this is a country that is not a real democrazy and rated by Freedomhouseindex as non-free. The military has there more influence than in other countries and there were times in the past when Thailand was a military dictatorship. I dont support a Wikimania in Bangkok in Thailand or another state that is not rated as free or were it is known that the country is not a real democrazy. Do you think it is acceptable to let an event in a country that is not known as a democrazy and not rated as free happen. From my point of view it is not acceptable also I understand that changes are only possible through conversations and so maybe the presence of people at an event of the Wikimedia projects in such a country can be a positive signal. Please think about if another place is better for the Wikimania and try to answer next time to such an question.--Hogü-456 (talk) 18:44, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Not going to comment on the main issue here, but we have had Wikimania in a non-free country before: Wikimania 2008 was held in Alexandria, Egypt. --Yair rand (talk) 18:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

From my point of view it is an important point that should be discussed and thank you Yair rand that you mentioned that Wikimania in 2008 happened in Alexandria in Egypt. In 2008 it was as it is now not a free country and so in such a country I dont support a Wikimania. I hope that more people write something what they think about that topic. For me it is an important topic after I really like democrazys and try not to support dictatorships also not indirect.--Hogü-456 (talk) 17:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Talk to the Community Tech

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Hello!

We, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will begin on 27 October (Wednesday) at 14:30 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.

Agenda

• Become a Community Wishlist Survey Ambassador. Help us spread the word about the CWS in your community.
• Update on the disambiguation and the real-time preview wishes
• Questions and answers

Format

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes without attribution will be taken and published on Meta-Wiki. The presentation (all points in the agenda except for the questions and answers) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, Spanish, German, and Italian. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the Community Wishlist Survey talk page or send to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

Natalia Rodriguez (the Community Tech manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

• Join online
• Meeting ID: 83847343544
• Dial by your location

We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 23:00, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Describing Data Structures

One goal of the Annual Plan 2021/2022 is to describe the internal data structures. Does someone know when this program starts and where I can find information about it. As I have understood there was the plan to tell something about how to do it in October this year and I am interested in that topic. From my point of view is it a good goal to describe the data structures and I think it is important that it is oberserved after it could be in theory that this reduces the number of staff that is needed for analytics tasks and that in that case the people get another job within the Wikimedia projects.--Hogü-456 (talk) 19:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I think for what I asked for is described at the following page in Mediawiki. [1]. It is a topic where I am interested in and from what I a hope that it brings additional development also in other topics. I will write my thoughts there and if from the initiative comes an influence to jobs then from my point of view a further discussion is necessary.--Hogü-456 (talk) 18:16, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

How to complaint wikipedia admins in wikimedia foundation

How can I complaint wikipedia admins in wikimedia foundation?--حبيشان (talk) 06:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@حبيشان: in general, administrators are accountable to their communities more so than the foundation - mostly because the foundation is not actively involved in the appointment or removal of this position. Each community has their own process for dealing with this. For example, on your home wiki you can find information about this topic here: w:ar:ويكيبيديا:إداريون#مشاكل_خاصة_بعمل_الإداريين. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:54, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Compliance of darknet market article content with terms of use

Hello. In discussion at Russian Wikipedia question about contents of "Hydra" article appeared. It is not a question about what local community thinks about article content, but about Foundation enforced restrictions about it. So it is not possible to solve this question locally.
First, is the precise question: is it allowed to add URL of Hydra website to article? Second, broader one: are there any other limitations about what is possible to include in it (besides limitations of local rules, of course)?
I am newbie at meta website, so if my question is in wrong place, then, please move it to appropriate place.
Absence of answer to the first question I will treat as "allowed" answer. — Vort (talk) 15:40, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

The question is: “Is it legal to give link to dark net drug market and instructions how to use it for purchase of drugs due to laws of Florida and California?” May be I’m wrong but I’m sure that not . Ibidem (talk) 16:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Not instructions, but description of how website works. Instructions are prohibited by local rule ru:ВП:НЕИНСТРУКЦИЯ, so it is not a part of questions. — Vort (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

In this case there are practically no difference between description and instruction. Anyway there are no encyclopaedic information at all. Ibidem (talk) 16:17, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

1) article does not provide info on how to handle cryptocurrencies (darknet market accepts only crypto) for making payments. 2) according to this logic WMF should ban also all torrent trackers and even WikiLeaks URLs. 8.41.37.226 21:38, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Some practice from en-wiki:

• AlphaBay (closed on July 2017, resurrected in 2021): old URL was present (see page revisions), now there is an actual URL
• Agora: URL was present while the market was active (see page revisions)
• Hansa: same
• Silk Road: URL was removed due to phishing attempts. Also noted that the Wikimedia Foundation should decide whether the URL is prohibited. 8.41.37.226 21:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikihavior

Gain interest here Faster than Thunder (talk) 23:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

New Project - Wikihavior

I want WMF to start a new project called Wikihavior].Faster than Thunder (talk) 21:58, 30 October 2021 (UTC)