Talk:Abstract Wikipedia/Plan

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@Denny: Hi again!

I suggest transcluding this index page into the main project page, because it's hard to find!

Plus, add short annotations for each heading (e.g. "[[Goals]] - primary and secondary logical outcomes").

Plus, perhaps make an all-in-one version of the plan subpages, because many-short-subpages are awkward to navigate & search through, and thus less likely to be seen! ("Mergism for docs!").

Cheers! Quiddity (talk) 02:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Quiddity: Done. Thanks for the suggestions! I saw the other suggestions on the talk page too, will need a bit of time to get to it. --denny (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

What follows was transcluded into Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia until it was archived and subst:ed. --GrounderUK (talk) 11:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Non-Wikipedia Content

It appears that the abstract content will be stored on Wikidata? Is that correct? I'm curious where non-wikipedia content would be stored? For instance, let's say we hypothetically wanted to create an "Abstract Wikivoyage" would that be a new wiki or would that abstract content be stored on Wikidata as well? --DBarratt (WMF) (talk) 19:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

This can easily be achieved by creating a specific part of content. See Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#Two_small_questions. An article for Paris will have a "main" part and a "Wikivoyage" part, where the "Wikivoyage" may transclude "Wikivoyage-Getaround" part and "Wikivoyage-See" part. (In my opinion, the "Wikivoyage" part will simply be a GeneralWikivoyageArticle(), which automatically transclude other parts; the "Wikivoyage-See" part will be a WikivoyageSee(), which query information from Wikidata andd format them to prose. Both will no longer require manual maintanence. The "Wikivoyage-Getaround" part will still be a complex Content.)--GZWDer (talk) 14:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

That's a great question we don't have an answer for yet. What GZWDer suggest could work. Also it could be stored in Wikilambda directly. Or we could add another namespace in Wikidata? (Probably not). If I see that correctly, Wikivoyage would be, fortunately, the only other project that has that issue, as it overlaps so much regarding items with Wikipedia but has so much different content. So yes, once we get to that point we would need to figure out a solution together with the Wikivoyage communities. Great question! --DVrandecic (WMF) (talk) 01:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Motivated by this question, I don't think the other sisters will have the Abstract Wikipedia functionalities, no? I'm an admin at SqQuote and I've been wanting to ask for a long time but I thought it was Wikipedia only in the beginning. This question made me curious now. - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding on the above question: What about help pages in Wikipedia located in Wikipedia/Help namespaces? - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:23, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: Hi, sorry for the late reply. As far as I understand it, the abstract content system should work for any objective content, but will probably not be suitable for sentences where nuance and some "poetic word choices" are required such as in Wikiquote or Wikisource contents. As for Help pages, that's an interesting idea - I know many suggestions have been made for how to solve the problem of mass-replication/fragmentation of our help-documentation, e.g. phab:T14306, but I think we'll have to wait to see if it's possible for this project to solve that problem. Hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF): I see. Well, at least on the documentation part. That would really be of great help. - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:04, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF): true for the main content pages of Wikisource (except maybe for translations?) but I'm thinking it could be useful for other pages, like the Author pages (where the lack of descriptions in Wikidata is problematic or descriptions not fitting Wikisource need), see fr:s:Auteur:Victor_Hugo where almost everything is/could be semi-automatically generated (but Lua is not always good with strings and texts generation). Cheers, VIGNERON * ^discut. 18:34, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Good point! Agreed. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:53, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

"Positive integer up to N"?

One of Wikifunctions's initial milestone aims is to have positive integer up to N". If I understand correctly, does this mean that N ZObject wikipages about numbers will be created? NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 20:02, 27 April 2022 (UTC)