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Add Russo-Ukrainian War

A largest conflict in Europe since WW2, severely acting on the world, and having already produced hundredrs of thousands of causalities ― strange it wasn't added before. Well very well (talk) 03:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

What should be removed for it? Reprarina (talk) 11:20, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Some proposals: history of Ukraine (Q210701), as the topic can cover both, or some related to WW2, which is over-represented: 20 July plot (Q105570), Sturmabteilung (Q150793) or Schutzstaffel (Q44687) (because we already have Nazi Party (Q7320)). Theklan (talk) 07:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

History of Ukraine is more important because it is more general. Maybe, Orange revolution? I am not sure that Orange revolution is more important than Euromaidan or Russo-Ukrainian War. Reprarina (talk) 11:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, that's a good option. I didn't see it and it makes full sense to add Russo-Ukrainian War, as it covers also the Orange revolution as a background. Theklan (talk) 21:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Industry and Manufacturing

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Industry and Manufacturing in the English Wikipedia are one and the same article. Other Wikipedias often focus on English when compiling a list, which creates difficulties. Perhaps it is possible to simplify the situation at the level of this list by excluding Industry? Reprarina (talk) 18:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

English should not be the measure of the list. Manufacturing and Industry are very similar concepts, but not the same, as you can have manufacturing without industry. Theklan (talk) 07:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Crust (geology) or Earth's crust

Before changing to wikidata items instead of enwiki, en:Crust (geology) was listed. But now, d:Q15316 links to en:Earth's crust. Which should be respected? -- FlatLanguage (talk) 23:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

It's in the "Earth" secdtion, so the second one, I guess. Theklan (talk) 07:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Swap Orange revolution for Russo-Ukrainian War

The Russian-Ukrainian conflict has almost as many Wikipedias as the Arab-Israeli conflict included in the 1000 most important articles. Orange revolution is probably not even the most important Ukrainian revolution in 21st century.--Reprarina (talk) 21:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Agree! Theklan (talk) 21:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Done:Reprarina (talk) 11:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Swap Autism for Autism spectrum

The concept of autism is now much more outdated than the concept of autism spectrum, and although some Wikipedias have both articles, many big Wikipedias (e.g. English, Spanish, Persian, Swedish, Portuguese, Polish) have already made autism a redirect to autism spectrum. In fact, in today's highly regarded scientific literature, autism is no longer studied as something separate from the autism spectrum. Reprarina (talk) 15:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Agree. -- Cataleirxs (talk) 11:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

 Support Flaverius (talk) 10:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment Meanwhile, the English Wikipedia came to the conclusion that the article on the spectrum should be called Autism. I believe the issue is still ambiguous and requires wider discussion. Reprarina (talk) 11:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Swap Jerome K. Jerome for Ryūnosuke Akutagawa

The English-language writers in the list can be divided into two groups - the first have had a huge cultural impact on the whole world, the second have had such an influence mainly on the English-speaking world. Jerome K. Jerome clearly belongs to the second category, as evidenced by the relatively small number of Wikipedias for an English-language writer which he has, 53. I guess Akutagawa is more global, he has 68. Reprarina (talk) 07:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

 Support Flaverius (talk) 10:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Done--Reprarina (talk) 11:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

We really should globalize the list of films

All 9 movies in the list, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Citizen Kane, Lawrence of Arabia, The Sound of Music, Casablanca, Gone with the Wind, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Star Wars, The Godfather - are American or British. It's not okay for the expanded list of articles every Wikipedia should have. Despite the dominance of US in cinema industry, there are extremely important movie from other countries: Tôkyô monogatari (Japan), 8 1/2 (Italy), Persona (Sweden) which are consistently included in academic lists of the best films of all time. Reprarina (talk) 19:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Think also about the actor's list. Mostly men, mostly Hollywood. Theklan (talk) 08:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Totally agree Flaverius (talk) 10:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Swap The arts for something else

We should exclude The arts from the list and could replace it with an additonal art style or period for example. Please suggest good alternatives.

The reason to exclude The arts is it’s anglocentrism and the overlap with Art. The diffenrence between the arts un art is hard to differentiate in other languages, if even present at all. The arts is only available in 54 langauge versions, among that many lists of different arts and redirects. In comparisonArt is available in 209 languages. Flaverius (talk) 10:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

When we made all the articles for Basque Wikipedia, we had this problem to translate what "The arts" means that is not including in "Art". I agree to change for something else, the doubt is what. Theklan (talk) 07:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Swap Knyaz for Magellan expedition

Is it so significant how the heads of feuds were called among the Slavic peoples that there would be a separate article about this word in every Wikipedia? I suggest adding an article about an extremely important historical event, the first circumnavigation in history, instead of it. Reprarina (talk) 06:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Agree. The first circumnaviation is a crucial event in history. It should be noted that Magellan didn't want to circunmavigate the globe, it was Elcano who made it. Theklan (talk) 07:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support Flaverius (talk) 07:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Add Guangdong, Remove Florida

Having no Asian country subdivisions results in severe bias against the continent with 60% of the world population. Florida was irrelevant to the U.S. prior to the latter half of the 20th century. OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 00:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 00:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment I support removing Florida, but why specifically Guangdong? -Theklan (talk) 08:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

If we go by economically important and culturally distinct subregion with imporant states, Guandong is a good candidate, as Cantonese culture is the most influential among Chinese regional cultures, Cantonese the only somewhat standardised and wirtten Chineses language besides Mandarin. Flaverius (talk) 07:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

 Strong support A region in which tens of millions of people speak Yue Chinese, which is significantly different (about as different as Indo-European languages are from each other) from Mandarin Chinese, can, at least by linguistic criterion, be considered a big region with a separate culture.--Reprarina (talk) 11:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support Flaverius (talk) 07:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Swap Oliver Stone for Yasujiro Ozu

Two films by Yasujiro Ozu, Tokyo Story and Late Spring are included in the BFI 2022 list. The 2012 version had them as well. Not a single Oliver Stone film is included on this list.

The IMDb Top 250 doesn't straighten things out in Stone's favor - only one film (Platoon) is included on the list, which is far fewer than other American directors on the list.

In my opinion, Oliver Stone is one of the most striking candidates for removal in order to eliminate American-centrism in the list of film figures.--Reprarina (talk) 13:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support --Thi (talk) 15:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

 Support Flaverius (talk) 07:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Replace King Lear with Codex Dresdensis

The literature sections currently contains 6 works of Shakespeare. While Shakespeare is one of the most influential wirter globally, six of his works are too much anglocentrism for a global list in my opionion. Thats why I propose to swap King Lear with Codex Dresdensis. Amoung the six works listed King Lear (or Othello) are the least known. If you ask a random stranger, they will probably know Romeo and Juiliet, A Midsummer Nights Dream, maybe MacBeth and Hamlet, but probably not King Lear and Othello.

The Codex Dresdensis is most important of the four surviving Maya codeces and the most important piece of non-fiction for Mesoamerica, that is curently not presented at all in the list. Flaverius (talk) 07:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose I agree that so much Shakespeare is part of the Anglocentric bias on the list, but the Codex Dresdensis seems too niche to me. It is also worth considering the inclusion of the Maya codices as a whole (in the Russian Wikipedia, this article was raised to Featured status and was chosen as the 2015 article of the Russian Wikipedia in the “History of the Book” category). Also, perhaps, Genocide of indigenous peoples can be an important article for the representation of the indigenous topic. Reprarina (talk) 08:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks happy about any input. I wasnt sure if a more general or specific article would be better. Indigenous genocide would be another category. I would like to keep the change within the field of literature. But in the history section "indigenous genocide" could be good swap, may be for something like "History of "Country"". Flaverius (talk) 08:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Add Cooperative, remove Kolkhoz

The problem with finding Kolkhoz on this list is that its specific (Soviet and near-Soviet) features may already be included in Collectivization article. At the same time, kolkhozes are far from the only collective farms in the world.

In addition, the absence in the list of the general concept of an enterprise based on public non-state ownership of the means of production. This creates a bit of a hole in the list because the topic as a whole is not represented on the list. This is the main reason for my proposal.

I would like to note that the Cooperative is ahead of the Kolkhoz in the number of language sections. Cooperative has 71, and Kolkhoz has 63.--Reprarina (talk) 12:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

 Support From an editor's perspecitve in a small wikipedia this proposal really makes sense. In the Low Saxon Wikipedia there is an article about "Landwirtschaftliche Produktionsgenossenschaften", the GDR-equivalent of Kolchozes. But it wouldnt make sense for our wiki to write an article about every country specific type of cooperative agricultures and industries. A broader article like "Cooperative" could have redirects and anchors to all different kind of spefic cooperative subtypes. Flaverius (talk) 18:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Remove Alaska, Add New York

Opening up a discussion here since New York is an important and diverse state from NYC to Upstate to Long Island, it has an important and long history compared to Alaska's. Interstellarity (talk) 23:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose New York State is important because of New York City.

From my experience quite a good amount of articles about species, geology and languages link to Alaska within in a wiki. New York State is not that important on a global scale. I Support removing one American state and swap it for a Region Like Guandong as proposed above. But Alaska is an US-state l, that should stay in my opinion. Flaverius (talk) 16:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Remove Al Gore, Add John C. Calhoun

We should try to minimize modern politicians and focus on historical American politicians. Calhoun is a major defender of slavery. Interstellarity (talk) 23:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Add Amaterasu, remove Elektra

Too much Greek mythology on the list, and Elektra is the outsider in the number of language sections among the characters of Greek mythology. Meanwhile, the Shinto goddess Amaterasu is significantly ahead of Elektra in the number of language sections. I would also like to point out that Shinto was recently included in the general list of articles, and I believe that the expanded list should also take into account the significance of Shinto.--07:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Add Classical liberalism, remove Bicameralism

Liberalism is not sufficiently represented in the list of ideologies; even its classical direction is missing. Regarding bicameralism, I have a strong suspicion that this is still a less important concept, and besides, it is difficult to write a generalizing quality article about it, since different countries have different bicameral parliaments that arose for different reasons, so the article will turn out to be of a list type.--Reprarina (talk) 09:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)