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Please close current global ban request

Requests for comment/Global ban for Бучач-Львів has now soon been running for three months, although Global bans #Obtaining consensus for a global ban specifies that discussions for obtaining consensus should not run for longer than one month. The majority is against the global ban and this won't change anymore, the last vote in favour of ban came in over one month ago. The global ban request just serves to publicly shame the user - and to harass users worldwide with a dead topic. This is an abuse of the Requests for comment, no matter if the ban would be objectively justified or not. So please close it without further delay. --KnightMove (talk) 08:12, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Already done @KnightMove: The RfC was closed on 26 October! Superpes15 (talk) 08:38, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry and thank you. I have now updated the contribution template in German Wikipedia. --KnightMove (talk) 09:16, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Superpes15 (talk) 08:38, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Persian Wikipedia Arbitration Committee Election

Dear Stewards, I am the organizer of the Arbitration Committee Election in Persian Wikipedia for this year. Just like the previous years, we will use SecurePoll to collect the votes and we need two stewards to help us as a scrutineer. The voting will start from 20 October until 2 November. We expect a voter turnout of about 100 users, so the job will not be hard. Please let us know if you are interested. Best regards, Darafsh Kaviyani (Talk) 13:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Darafsh I've scrutineered for fawiki before, but if my service would be welcomed, count me in. Martin Urbanec (talk) 17:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Martin Urbanec I really appreciate your help. Darafsh (talk) 23:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to help as scrutineer too, if needed! TBH it's one of the things I'd like to do more often, since I always do it in RL public elections and I'm sure I'd really love it :) Superpes15 (talk) 23:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Superpes15 Thank you, this is an honor for me. I will send you an email for further details. Thanks again Darafsh (talk) 23:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Darafsh: The honor is mine! I received it. Best regards. Superpes15 (talk) 00:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I will be (almost) absent from October 16 to 28, so I can't offer my help here. --Mykola 00:56, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mykola7 Thank you, we have already two volunteers, and I think that would be enough. Darafsh (talk) 08:28, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Superpes15 (talk) 12:34, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Disruptive activity of the administrator of the Azerbaijani language wikipedia. Admin - Nemoralis

The following request is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Dear colleagues, Nemoralis, the administrator of the Azerbaijani-language Wikipedia, who uses my name in the discussion here, pretended to be a checkuser and overstepped his authority, this admin without any reason claims that many users are my puppet accounts and blocks all users. Please warn the admin of the Azerbaijani language wikipedia for this disruptive activity and prevent its abuse.

Please analyze this discussion and then I will provide you with other facts. This administrator has many disruptive activities.

Elshad Iman^verified 13:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I want to inform you about other destructive actions of the administrator in question. When you follow this link, you will see that the admin repeatedly deletes the added discussion and prevents its name from appearing in the discussion. Elshad Iman^verified 11:43, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

The matter does not end there if we try to study in detail the history of the administrator’s activities, at the same time, if we go to investigate in this way, we will witness that the administrator has repeatedly asked to put me on Global Blocking without any reason. and since his attempt was in vain, he now intervenes at the local level and blames me for every discrepancy found, to be sure of this, you can follow this link and see the evidence. Elshad Iman^verified 12:54, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

- As a Wikipedian, I am deeply troubled by the unwarranted and unjustified attempts to block me by the administrator Nemoralis. I consider it necessary to punish the administrator who exceeded his authority. The fact that Nemoralis worries me unreasonably is confirmed by the links. Link 1, Link 2. An administrator named Nemoralis on local and global Wikipedia continues to bother me unnecessarily. I am providing you with links that prove the inconvenience, please do your research and take action.

At this link, Nemoralis, the local Wikipedia administrator, proposes to block me again indefinitely for no reason and succeeds in his desire for no reason. However, to do this, the administrator had to rely on the results of the Checkuser check, but the administrator made this decision based on his subjective opinion.

Many people are complaining about a user named Nemoralis on the local Wikipedia level, after investigating these cases, action should be taken at the global level against the destructive actions of this administrator.

Since the question directly concerns me personally, I ask you to take appropriate measures to open my block on the local Wikipedia. Please help me

Elshad Iman^verified 06:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Elshad Iman: We are stewards, we can't and don't intervene directly in the local communities if there are no emergencies, there is nothing we can do about it. You can ask another azwiki administrator to unblock your account, then you can ask the local community for their opinion about the matter. I don't think a sysop can do all the abuses you accuse them of, without being stopped by other administrators (azwiki has 16 sysops)! --Superpes15 (talk) 22:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Superpes15 If you look at the discussion here, you will see that the bureaucrats of the Azerbaijani segment named Eldarado and Toghrul R commented on the opening of my block. Elshad Iman^verified 07:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Since the discussion in the “Azerbaijan” section is important, I decided to contact you. 1 of the admins in the Azerbaijani language in the discussion insisted that I allegedly received money and prepared an article on Wikipedia, but there is no significant evidence of this information. It was discussed here that there was no hard evidence, but the admin who ended the discussion ended the discussion to no avail, citing editing of the IP address. I am already open to resolving this issue and would like to move the discussion to the appropriate section.

If there is anyone who can help me in this matter, please help me move the discussion to the appropriate discussion section for solving the problem.-- Elshad Iman^verified 10:56, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Title: "Baselessness of Allegations: The Block of Elshad Iman"

Baselessness of Allegations: The block of Elshad Iman is not supported by strong evidence. According to Wikipedia's blocking policies, a block should be independent and well-founded. However, the evidence presented for Elshad Iman's block has not been thoroughly and objectively discussed, making it unjustified.

Unjust Blockade: One of the main reasons for the unjustness of the block is Elshad Iman's active participation as a valuable contributor, creating meaningful articles and edits. When determining any block decision, the user's current activity and experience should be taken into consideration.

Lack of Observation of Affected Parties: Elshad Iman's block does not consider the observation of those affected by his activity and edits. Independent reviewers should pay attention to the information of affected parties when discussing the block and it should be regulated. Here, there is no indication of who is affected, meaning it is not explained and proven why they were harmed. If someone claims to have been affected under the name of affected parties, proof should be provided if, for example, they took someone's money and did not return it.

Lack of Fair Discussion on Restrictions and Prohibitions in the Block: The block of Elshad Iman without a fair discussion of limitations and prohibitions is a serious issue. Wikipedia's blocking rules and procedures should ensure fair and independent steps.

Wikipedia users must transparently intervene in the block process and take objective steps. Users should be independently and honestly confirmed, and express their independent opinions in the discussion of block decisions.

Community Participation: The Wikipedia community should present evidence in a clear format for the discussion and confirmation of block decisions, and these evidences should not be cursory without investigation. Only substantial observations of the community should be considered in the block process, baseless arguments may be exposed. Please Help me-- Elshad Iman^verified 11:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Elshad Iman: As I said, we can't intervene here, it's a local issue and there are no signs of action for us stewards to intervene. We cannot overcome local blocks. Follow the local processes on azwiki to get unblocked there by contacting the blocking sysop or another sysop/body. Please stop spamming here, you've already made 17 edits in the last 3 days here, and I continue to say that a local block cannot be appealed to the stewards (except in some cases). Thanks for your understanding! Superpes15 (talk) 12:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Superpes15Sorry to bother you. I’m also worried because if I write from an IP address to Azviki, my letter will not be taken into account and it will be deleted without viewing the discussion. So I ask that they either set a time limit for my unjustified blocking or prove that there is a strong evidentiary basis for blocking me indefinitely and not being able to unblock them as they continue to harass me. I really need help from anyone who can apply to azwiki on my behalf, please apply to azwiki in English on my behalf because I myself have been banned from opening a discussion with my signature on my discussion page by the azwiki admin. Elshad Iman^verified 07:55, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

- - Since the admins have blocked the review of the application written in Azviki with an IP address, I am not able to submit the application, and at the same time, since they have blocked my discussion page, I cannot submit the application with my signature there, and since I am in such a desperate situation, I ask you to do this in English on my behalf, if possible, write a request to azwiki, most admins there can write in English. Please help me

@Elshad Iman: You can still edit in your user talk on azwiki (you're not blocked there), so please, ask there. As we said, we cannot do anything in this case. Submitting an appeal on your behalf would implicitly mean that we agree with your unblocking and that is not allowed, it would be like intervene with the steward hat into a local community issue, sorry! In case you're not able to edit there, you can ask another user to do so! Since you can still probably write on your user talk on azwiki and we cannot intervene in the matter, the request can be closed. Thanks for your understanding. --Superpes15 (talk) 11:40, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Superpes15 (talk) 11:40, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Superpes15, let me explain you. He was blocked on July 26, 2023, by the decision of the administrators due to sockpuppeting, undisclosed paid contributions, and several COI violations. He was also blocked on both English and Turkish Wikipedia for the same reasons. The unblocking of such a user is not up for discussion. His complaints about me stem solely from my consistent efforts to prevent him from continuing his old activities using new sock accounts. Furthermore, he has been making threats against me through some people in real life. I have already reported this to the WMF. Nemoralis (talk) 17:24, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Superpes15 See, without any reason, he closed my discussion page and banned me from writing a request, this administrator is completely disturbing me. Elshad Iman^verified 17:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nemoralis your disruptive activity is obvious, you mentioned my name and blocked other users for no reason without checkuser. Elshad Iman^verified 17:58, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Elshad Iman: Please stop blaming the administrators. Your block has been decided by a lot of sysops, as I can see. Please accept it and move on, there are a lot of projects in which you can actually help! Then, I'm concerned about the threats mentioned above. I formally invite you to stop writing here because the discussion is closed, there is nothing the stewards can do, and further comments will not be accepted. Superpes15 (talk) 18:01, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Comments after the closure

Note as an AzWiki sysop. The user Elshad Iman was indefinitely blocked for violating Wikimedian Foundation's guidelines on paid editing. The user successfully nominated articles for deletion on Azerbaijani Wikipedia, reached out to the articles' topic of person, got paid by them without disclosing, and then re-created those articles. Elshad also received monthly payments for each article to "keep them safe", threatening those who did not pay the sum with deleting the articles.

--► Sincerely: Sola Virum 21:24, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Solavirum have you been invited here to lie? Since when do I have the authority to delete an article? the article is deleted by Azwiki admins like you, you can abuse the situation like deleting and saving, but I am not an admin so that I have not the authority to delete the article, lool, you are lying a little. Elshad Iman^verified 22:40, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Nomination means nomination, you can improve your English in that regard. Accusing me of lying won't fix a thing for you. The AzWiki community isn't interested in you threatening your "customers", neither you threatening us with the "higher-ups". --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 03:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

As I said, the case is clear and the discussion is closed as invalid, no further comments will be accepted here --Superpes15 (talk) 08:52, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

English Wikipedia ACEE2023 scrutineers

The English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee Elections is being held in November-December; three steward scrutineers and (preferably) one reserve whose homewiki is not enwiki are needed for the event. You can see a list of responsibilities for the role here. Thank you in advance! — Frostly (talk) 23:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

(sending this out in advance to allow for a more comfortable election timeline; the Electoral Commision, which appoints scrutineers, has not been seated yet)— Frostly (talk) 23:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

FTR As I just said above for fawiki, if a scrutineer is needed, I'm here (I've not COI with enwiki) :) Superpes15 (talk) 23:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I would be happy to offer my help as a scrutineer for these elections. (I've not COI with enwiki). --Mykola 00:56, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Glad to help if needed, but happy to make space for fellow stewards, considering I've scrutineered the last few ACEs. Martin Urbanec (talk) 08:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Superpes15, Mykola7, and Martin Urbanec. Optimally we would like at least one reservist. If any other non-conflicted stewards are available and would like to volunteer please indicate below (also Martin appears willing to fall to reserve if anyone would rather do the actual work - please indicate if you are open to full status or only reservist). Thank you (from enwiki ElecCcom), — xaosflux ^Talk 00:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Any more bites (even as a reservist?) — xaosflux ^Talk 13:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
While I agree it would be better if we had an alternate, I'm satisfied with user:Superpes15, user:Mykola7, and user:Martin Urbanec and move that we seat them. I'll just note here that I'm a CU on enwiki, so if you folks need any assistance in that department, I'm here for you. RoySmith (talk) 14:16, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Thanks; will certainly ping whenever a need arises. Martin Urbanec (talk) 17:16, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
@RoySmith: Many thanks! I agree that we would certainly get in touch with you as soon as the need arises :) Superpes15 (talk) 11:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for volunteering Superpes15, Mykola7, and Martin Urbanec. Should another reservist come forward, please let us know. Best regards, — xaosflux ^Talk 16:06, 28 October 2023 (UTC)