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Delphine (WMF)

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Delphine_(WMF) (talk • contribs • deleted user contributions • logs • block log • abuse log • CentralAuth • stalktoy)  Bureaucrats: user rights management.

Ending 05-07-2016 13:32 (UTC)

Hello. I have been an admin here for ... well years under my volunteer account notafish, but failed to take heed of the Confidentiality notice (I didn't log on for ages and all), so "lost" my adminship a few months back, which is fine, I am just stating this so you know I'm not a complete noob :D. This account, however, is very new, but I have a few wiki-years under my belt. As Foundation staff, I am going to be editing meta a lot lot more, so I would like to have the possibility of moving pages, deleting others etc. in order to do my job right. Thanks! :D Delphine (WMF) (talk) 13:32, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Which flag are you applying to? From the text and the base page it looks that you are about an admin flag, but you have put the request to the translation adminship section which creates some confusion. Though as regular admins have the right to make themselves translation admins I am going to ask this even if you move the request to another section after this: Have you read mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example and mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation administration pages — the main documentations concerning translation adminship? --Base (talk) 14:20, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello Base I have read the pages now, and no, I don't want translateadminiship quite yet, I am not familiar enough with the translation system. My bad for confusing the whole system, I did come across a page that required translateadminship and thought it might be a good idea. I'll pass for now and come back to it when I have not only read the pages, but also understood them completely :D. Thanks! Delphine (WMF) (talk) 16:20, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since it's for job-related, I'm for granting temporary adminship, say, for one year, renewable until the account is no longer used for staff activities. Any objections anyone? —MarcoAurelio 18:02, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's a staff account Marco. I suggest let the staff decide. I don't think she is making a straight-forward request yet and even those requests have to go through someone else if I remember? plus staff accounts don't need to go through regular RfAs. People try and keep the staff and volunteer accounts/rights separate - WMF manages what rights their staff needs, so there is no confusion or cross-responsibility. No need to complicate established policy and procedure IMO. For general usage, I think someone would be around to enact on move/delete requests. Also, I think Delphine needs to catch up first ;). Theo10011 (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Theo, best if the WMF handles their staff permissions. Though ofc no objections to temporary adminship in this case (or others). Ajraddatz (talk) 20:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Believe me Theo10011, I am catching up at lightning speed ;) Delphine (WMF) (talk) 11:28, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am sure you are. :) You can ask James for the flag Delphine (WMF). if you had requested the flag for your volunteer account, it would be straight-forward, but you need it on your official work (WMF) account. We have had situations where it gets confusing between the two, and we can't see who is who. Easier to keep both separate and let someone on staff address the staff requests. Hope you understand. Congratulations and Good luck with your new position. Regards. Theo10011 (talk) 14:54, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"staff accounts don't need to go through regular RfAs" does not mean that they can't, and personally I welcome such a thing: I rather like that here was an opportunity to make an input on a staffer's rights. In particular, I am very happy to have one more person who at least knows where the docs to the Translate extension are :) And I have no objections about a temporary sysop flag for the time of the user being the part of staff. I do not think there would be any confusion. RfAs are sometimes useful to learn something new (or sometimes hear how bad you are xD) so if some staffers are not reluctant to go through it I do not think it is much of a trouble. --Base (talk) 21:52, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Base. I would disagree a bit, and I am only talking generally here, not about Delphine. We don't really know 99% of the staff. They usually have no wiki-history, zero edits. It's really no point, if they ask us for their flag. We are out of the loop - we don't know who they are, what they need to do, if they are to be trusted or even know what they are doing - all those things we leave to someone more experienced on staff, who can judge. Would you know how to vote if for example a, User:joedoe (WMF) said they want a sysop flag or staff or steward flag. Would you oppose or support not knowing a thing about them except WMF after their name? what if they end up causing big damage - who would be responsible? - This is why I think there should be clear delineation so someone who knows a user is responsible and knows why they are given any right. If they are known and have a purpose, making an RfA here would just make it unnecessary bureaucratic and time-wasting - we would have no history or information to base our vote on. ;) I hope that clarified my point. Thanks. Theo10011 (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Taking off the board since this will be handled within staff process given staff account. Jalexander--WMF 08:45, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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