Meta:Babel/Archives/2023-08

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Javascript Licensing

Hello. I am wondering about the licensing of the JavaScript used by the WikiMedia foundation. Is it even licensed at all? I would think that they would be licensed under either the GPL, the GFDL, or some version of the CC license, but there's no indication of a license within any of the scripts themselves. Is there any particular reason for this? If not, why aren't they marked as licensed? As it is now, any non-trivial scripts are blocked by LibreJS. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Resuscitating (talk) 20:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

@Resuscitating:The scripts included in Mediawiki, the software used for Wikipedia are under the GPL, see mediawiki:Copyright. For the various extensions you would have to look it up and gadgets/user scripts might be implicitly CC-licensed like all contributions. Regarding LibreJS I guess nobody cares about it so nothing is marked in a way that LibreJS would recognize. --Count Count (talk) 18:00, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

I made a similar inquiry at the community review period of the 2023 Terms of Use update. In particular, I wondered about user-generated scripts, originaly created, posted and maintained on-wiki only. I still feel that's a bit problematic, because CC-licenses are not really suitable for code. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:17, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Ready for translation: Education Newsletter July 2023

July 2023 education newsletter released for translation. Please help our readers to read education newsletter in their native language. The latest education newsletter is ready for translation: here Newsletter headlines link for translation: here (please translate by August 13, 2023) Individual articles for translation: Category:Education/Newsletter/July 2023. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 07:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Meetups

Greetings, I recently attempted to attend a Wikimedia Meetup, namely en:Wikipedia:Meetup/US Mountain West/2023-08-08, and I found that it was poorly-organized, and apparently did occur, but despite my best efforts, I was unable to connect to the designated Google Meet room. I also emailed two users, one organizer and one participant, and they haven't responded to that email after 4+ days of my waiting.

I am wondering why more Meetups are not organized on Meta, instead of the English Wikipedia. Is this simply by inertia? That is where they started, and that is where the organizers hang out, so the Meetups stay there?

I think that by the principles of Diversity, Equality, and Inclusion, it would be more logical to hold Meetups on Metawiki, as a centralized location, because it is not inclusive to ask people who do not speak English to go read/edit the English Wikipedia. If Meetups stay on enwiki, then the diversity of those meetings will be lacking. Certainly, speaking a common language would make a Meetup easier, but with advances in realtime translation and captioning, and the lingua franca of emojis and images, I am sure that non-English speakers could be accommodated, if only they could be encouraged and not discouraged from participating. Elizium23 (talk) 10:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

What is most in need of attention here?

Hello. I've been around the English Wikipedia for 15 years. As of late, I've taken a real interest in the rest of the project, including Meta Wiki. What tasks or problems exist here that are the most in need of editor attention? I'd like to get my hands dirty, so to speak. Pecopteris (talk) 22:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

One thing that I think takes fairly lo-competence (i.e. no editing of modules or somesuch) and a mid-level understanding of policy, culture, etc. is organizing the information around here. Pages aren't categorized, old threads are left open and hanging (e.g. on Proposed projects), etc. This wiki is very cluttered and disorganized and bringing some order to it would mostly require putting in the time. I hope that's helpful and clear enough. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:22, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I see that there are many years-old proposed projects that are "stalled". If nobody has commented on a project in a decade, it's probably reasonable, and in the spirit of "bringing some order", to go ahead and close those as rejected. Would you agree? Pecopteris (talk) 01:53, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Very much agreed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:05, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

@Pecopteris do you have html/js/css skills (for Central Notice help); or multi-language skills (for translations)? — xaosflux ^Talk 23:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I have basic HTML competence, but I would have to know more about the specific tasks at hand to know whether I'd be able to perform them perfectly.

I an a native English speaker, fluent in Spanish, and competent (formerly fluent, you could say) in German. I can do, and have done, ESP-ENG and DEU-ENG translation work. Pecopteris (talk) 23:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Help:CentralNotice is the intro to CN's; Meta:Babylon is the coordination page for translations. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Text wrapping issue for user's babel information

Hello. I've just discovered my babel information have one text "zh-N" wrapped on screen, which is generated by {{#babel}} tag (see my screenshot), is there any way to fix that? As my suggestion, you need to replace general hyphen-minus by no-break hyphen in there. Thanks. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 08:39, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

User group icons

Hello, I have made some icons for user groups on Meta-Wiki which do not appear to currently have user icons. However there was some pushback on adding them directly to the pages by @Tacsipacsi and @User:FooBarBaz so I am asking here if these are a good addition. The following are the user groups and the icons which I made.

Should some or all of these be added as standard icons to the pages? Terasail ^[✉️] 15:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Terasail: The only image I'm supporting is the flooder icon, since there isn't one for the right. The other ones either don't usually represent the user right or are too cartoony. FooBarBaz (talk) 15:08, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Flooder is always a temp group. But some of these look like uneeded replacements? For example we already have File:Meta_Checkuser.svg in use via the babel box, why fork that? — xaosflux ^Talk 15:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I just checked the main user group pages, I didn't check for each individual icon since I did a set, and have then gone through each wiki and just created a set for them so that there is a complete set where every icon matches see c:Wikimedia user group icons. So there may be some crossover, I wasn't intending to override already standing icons here. Terasail ^[✉️] 15:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I see no reason for adding these icons to the linked Meta project pages. --MF-W 15:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Review the Charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee

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Hello all,

I am pleased to share the next step in the Universal Code of Conduct work. The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) draft charter is now ready for your review.

The Enforcement Guidelines require a Building Committee form to draft a charter that outlines procedures and details for a global committee to be called the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C). Over the past few months, the U4C Building Committee worked together as a group to discuss and draft the U4C charter. The U4C Building Committee welcomes feedback about the draft charter now through 22 September 2023. After that date, the U4C Building Committee will revise the charter as needed and a community vote will open shortly afterward.

Join the conversation during the conversation hours or on Meta-wiki.

Best,

RamzyM (WMF), on behalf of the U4C Building Committee, 15:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)