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Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Multimedia and Commons/Image inheritance, a bequest safe for Wikimedia Commons

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  • Problem: Thousands of my pictures – probably millions of images from other Wikimedians – would be lost because they can currently(!) not be publicly published. We Wikimedians who are alive today can't upload the images if we're no longer alive, when these images in the future no longer restricted by copyright.
    Deutsch: ("Tausende Bilder von mir - wahrscheinlich Millionen Bilder von anderen Wikipedianern werden verloren gehen, weil sie aktuell(!) nicht veröffentlicht werden dürfen und wir heute lebenden Wikipedianer nicht mehr leben werden und also die Bilder nicht mehr hochladen können, wenn sie in Zukunft keinen Einschräkungen mehr unterliegen werden.")
  • Who would benefit: Wikimedia Commons and all its users.
    Deutsch: ("Wikimedia Commons und all seinen Benutzer*innen")
  • Proposed solution: I would like to be able to upload photos to a "private" – with a, to the normal ID, unrelated password – and extra protected user space. I'm thinking of interior photos, information boards, texts and so on. These photos are currently not covered by the Freedom of Panorama and must immediately be deleted. I would like to upload these photos "today", but save them for "later" (my digital "bequest", my "photo inheritance" for Wikimedia Commons).

    The way I envision it is that these files would 100 years after the uploading automatically be made free. Until then, they would just be available for administrators and myself. At the same would I already put these images "hidden" in the "proper" categories – but not available to non-administrators!

    Deutsch: ("Sehr gern würde ich Fotos in einen „privaten“ - mit einem von der „normalen“ Kennung unabhängigen Passwort – und extra geschützten Benutzer-Bereich hochladen.

    Ich denke dabei zum Beispiel an Fotos von Innenräumen, Informationstafeln, Texten usw. Diese Fotos unterliegen aktuell nicht der Panoramafreiheit und müssten sofort gelöscht werden. Ich möchte diese Fotos aber „heute“ für „später“ hochladen (mein digitales „Vermächtnis“ / mein „Bild-Erbe“ für Wikimedia Commons ).

    Meine Vorstellung ist, dass diese Aufnahmen etwa 100 Jahre nach dem Hochladen automatisch frei geschaltet werden. Bis dahin wären sie nur für Administratoren und mich selbst sichtbar. Gleichzeitig würde ich die Bilder schon „versteckt“ in die „richtigen“ Kategorie einfügen wollen - für Nicht-Administratoren unsichtbar!")

DiscussionEdit

  • This was posted in German. I've translated it into English, but kept the original German. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 11:54, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
  • There has been a similar discussion around private drafts which has tended toward "Legal has looked at it and mostly said it's not a good idea for a few reasons". --Izno (talk) 02:27, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  • User:Bluerasberry (see "Voting"): "We do this somewhat at commons:Category:Undeletion_requests" - I didn't know that. Could this be simplified/automated (for example, as an upload wizard special function)? --Molgreen 14:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • User:Redactyll (see "Voting"): "I'm in to this idea, seems good enough" (copied from Molgreen 06:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC))
  • User:HLHJ (see "Voting"): "if legally possible" - Yes, that's a requirement. Therefore the idea with the private sphere (digital legacy) Molgreen 14:51, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • User:Syced (see "Voting"): "I have tons of pictures of modern art and election leaflets. All will die with me if no easy-to-use upload system become available. Deletion of one's pictures is currently a traumatic experience, maybe the process should reworded and split between "useless pictures" and "pictures not publishable yet". For the later, a reconsideration date should be set as metadata to the picture, typically at the expected end of its copyright. Until the copyright ends, the media's page should show the metadata and a 30x30 pixels preview (expect in the rare cases when even such a tiny preview is not lawful) so that people know that the media will become available in X years due to law Y (that might even raise awareness about copyright laws). Thanks!" (copied from Molgreen 18:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC))
  • You can do this on the Internet Archive (it's routine over there), the Wikimedia wikis don't seem very suitable. Nemo 22:33, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
  • User:ShakespeareFan00 (see "Voting"): "At least until WMF legal had a chance to fully review what changes Article 13 and it's equivalents will mean in terms of the ability of WMF project to host certain types of content." (copied from Molgreen 05:46, 28 November 2018 (UTC))
  • User:Kirbanzo (see "Voting"): "but we will need to adjust it if Article 13 is passed in the European Union" (copied from Molgreen 05:48, 28 November 2018 (UTC))

VotingEdit

  •   Support Tom Ja (talk) 23:38, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support MB-one (talk) 09:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support FF-11 (talk) 09:43, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 11:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support We do this somewhat at commons:Category:Undeletion_requests Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   SupportThanks for the fish! talkcontribs 20:30, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support I'm in to this idea, seems good enough. Redactyll (talk) 15:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support if legally possible HLHJ (talk) 03:07, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support DerFussi 10:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Hydriz (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Syced (talk) 03:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC) I have tons of pictures of modern art and election leaflets. All will die with me if no easy-to-use upload system become available. Deletion of one's pictures is currently a traumatic experience, maybe the process should reworded and split between "useless pictures" and "pictures not publishable yet". For the later, a reconsideration date should be set as metadata to the picture, typically at the expected end of its copyright. Until the copyright ends, the media's page should show the metadata and a 30x30 pixels preview (expect in the rare cases when even such a tiny preview is not lawful) so that people know that the media will become available in X years due to law Y (that might even raise awareness about copyright laws). Thanks! Syced (talk) 03:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Waddie96 (talk) 08:04, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support - tucoxn\talk 14:21, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Agronopolos (talk) 14:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Vulphere 12:11, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support«« Man77 »» [de] 13:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support β16 - (talk) 15:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Herbert Ortner (talk) 19:30, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support JopkeB (talk) 08:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Novak Watchmen (talk) 13:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support BugWarp (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Orphée (talk) 18:53, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Strong oppose ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:06, 25 November 2018 (UTC) At least until WMF legal had a chance to fully review what changes Article 13 and it's equivalents will mean in terms of the ability of WMF project to host certain types of content. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:06, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support — AfroThundr (u · t · c) 02:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Jklamo (talk) 15:07, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support - but we will need to adjust it if Article 13 is passed in the European Union. Kirbanzo (talk) 19:05, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support - FlightTime (open channel) 21:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Okki (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Daniel Case (talk) 22:36, 28 November 2018 (UTC)