Merry Christmas & Let's see the year out!Edit

Hi Maggie,

Meta doesn't believe in Christmassy templates, so please use your imagination and picture as festive an image as possible!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! In this toughest of years, thank you for continuing to care about others - both in your editing, your words, and just in your being. Roll on 2021 and I'll see you there! Nosebagbear (talk)

About some suggestion on ZhWikiEdit

Dear Maggie,

I've known OA202109 recently, that I should have noticed some policy what the community or foundation can do the action now. So, I have some idea that would need you to give me a few comments:

  1. Reform the system : Behind the existing RfA, there's some risk canvassing guidelines and doxing policies. Fixing it to make anonymous voting and next to cancel anonymity in the end of voting may reduce the risk from electoral fraud.
  2. Defer Voting : There's active discussion on ZhWiki, in order to avoid disputes, suggest community do not nominate RfA until all OA202109 finished.
  3. Recourse mechanism : To refuse that administrator abuse their authority, how can foundation provide possibly the recourse mechanism to make sure help "Zh-Wikipedians" complaint?
  4. Arbitration Committee : About Arbitration Committee, ZhWiki has invite discussions many times, but hasn't reached a consensus. How would the foundation have comments or suggestions on it?

I'm looking forward to hearing from you.--卡達 (talk) 07:26, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

I would suggest WMF to conduct surveys (either via online or email) to engage the community of ZhWiki regarding their views as well as constructive dispute resolution mechanisms, before taking further course of top-down actions that risk escalations of tension and further dividing the community of Chinese-language contributors. P.S. For those who do not read in Chinese, I sense there is a common sentiment among zhwiki users that the recent global blocking en mass is a WMF overreaction based on isolated allegations.[1][2] --Zhenqinli (talk) 15:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Moin Zhenqinli and 卡達. While I am not Maggie, of course, I would like to point you to her reply published here. I will join the local conversation on Zh.WP to address the RfA questions discussed there that you note. So the local community has it all in one place. Best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 21:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

References

Thank you!Edit

Just thanks for your letter: Office actions/September 2021 statement ! --陈少静 | 月立龍头 (talk) 11:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

That's one small step for WIKI, one giant leap for mankind. 這是維基百科一小步、是人類的一大步。--陈少静 | 月立龍头 (talk) 07:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
haha. :D Thank you both. I wish it did not cause so much disruption to people, and I wish that the situation had not occurred to begin with. :( --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 11:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Yes. WE need to fight evil.--陈少静 | 月立龍头 (talk) 06:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Comments to the pressEdit

Hello, FYI your alleged comments to the press are being translated in very imaginative ways by the press in Italy. Does WMF have any policy on communication surrounding office actions? Studying the Stack Exchange controversy could be fruitful. Nemo 08:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh, boy. :/ Thanks for telling me and for sharing that. I am completely out of my comfort zone in talking to the press. We'll dig into that story. Previously our policy has been that we do not discuss them, so we're forging new ground here. Given how unprecedented this was, we thought it was necessary, but I especially am learning as I go. The BBC article didn't misquote me at all, and I am convinced the author was working in good faith, but I would have presented some of that very differently. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:37, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Forgot to ping you, Nemo. A bit out of practice. :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the answer. I do realise it's exceptionally difficult to handle communications of such matters. Nemo 14:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

So when will the office hour be held?Edit

I think it can be held at The holidays of National Day of the People's Republic of China (October 1st - 7th, 2021). --忒有钱 (talk) 17:16, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

忒有钱, I'm sorry for the delay. :) We had originally planned to do it that week, but I have had to reorganize to accommodate some other community events around the listening tour of the incoming Foundation CEO and also to make sure we hosted the meeting at a time that would permit Asian attendance during waking hours. We are ALMOST ready to announce it, and I'm almost certain it will be on October 14 at 13:00 UTC. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Maggie, I would like to ask a hypothetical question if organizers of Chinese Wikipedia events (eg. editathons) are prohibited to use materials prepared or procured by global banned users even as outsiders. It is because I has been reminded that back a long time ago when Walter Grassroot was in friendly terms with many of us, he has expressed a desire to send gifts to participants of another article contest provided that they fulfilled the criteria.--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse · Contributions ) 16:04, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Spring Roll Conan. Why doesn't anybody ever ask me easy questions? :D It's a good question, and I'm going to have to get back with you with an answer, since this is a question of interpreting policy. I need lawyer involvement for that. However, I can tell you what I think as I go do that. Our policies around engaging with Foundation banned individuals are meant to be protective of the platform and the community, not punitive. In terms of how others interact with globally banned individuals, the only clear articulation I know of is that people are not permitted to act as "proxies" for them. People who edit on behalf of a banned user may be sanctioned in the same way that the banned user has been. We do not expect or ask people to change their engagements with people outside of Wikipedia. Where this gets really hard is when we are in possession of facts that might make people choose to stop associating with others outside of Wikimedia projects. :/ Because we can't talk about what specific individuals have done, we can't necessarily warn people of dangers to avoid. That's one of the challenges of setting policies. :/ There are some people on the Foundation ban list about whom I would say, "No, please, for your own safety stay very, very far away." But I'm not able to say that. :/ Anyway, these are some of the factors to be considered, but I'll get lawyer feedback on this one. <3 --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)